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having lived in Nigeria and Kenya, i'll admit Kenya is ahead of Nigeria (Infrastucture, education...)

I broke my right arm when I clicked the LIKE button. You're so honest.

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My apologies, the thread's topic still a bit misleading, can the thread be renamed to reflect the changes and avoid debates down the line?

No need to rename the thread I think. It would have to be worse off than it is now. Something like "Kenya is ahead of Nigeria in all factors that make life worthwhile".

Daejoyoung:

lt's not a lie at all, but l don't know why l just find this comparison and arguement irritating, maybe it would make more sense to me on a Kenyan website and not a Nigerian website.
The OP should be flogged with 20 strokes of the cane.

Nuuh the OP should flog Daejoyoung with ten strokes

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Thats true , The main reason i do this is to let Nigerians know we can demand more from our government. Countries with fewer resources are providing better for their citizens, let us all stop settling for less.
it is also kind of weird they are discussing their internal political issues on a Nigerian Website.
Heard of the sad news closing three Stations following the swearing in of the "Peoples President". Nigeria was in that same situation 1994.

I hope you're not insinuating we are at 94' level in terms of politics and democracy. We may be doing that shyt now but all that is actually a result of having too much democratic and political space. People here do as they wish without fear, I resume you saw that during your brief stay.

mtis:


Is that kikuyu1 ..man ya really really funny...but serious who gives a fvk on what you say....an who told you that Kikuyu tribe is your family holding..cut the fvking BS..ya ain't worthy responding to...

Sorry ma friend but kyks have also mixed with other western tribes of late...one being luyahs,kalenjins ,luos etc etc unless ya want to pretend.sorry if ya look like a nilote but its OK..

An you might want ask for a refund coz I don't think they told history well in your school.

Seriously, that dude needs to cut some BS. He said "our tribe" lol. They own it. I get it when people say "our culture" but "our tribe"?

Kenyanna:
@mtis you are so pathetic seek help.
Only about one percent of couples in Nairobi intermarry the rest of the country is conservative and strictly endogamous. Most Kenyans never leave their district. You sound like you suffer from major inferiority complex, people who get excited about inter-mixing with others are so lame.
You don't sound Kenyan, I see many like you on forums these days, you think you are an expert on Kenya because of what you've read online. Grow up.

1 % from which source? Inter-mixing is actually not as bad as your granny told you.

Muafrika2:
I thought the Lagos marathon was today have we taken the money yet

Of course. We chopped di monie

But I learnt naijas have a system that allows losers to be prized for being Nigerian. They award the first nigerian to cross the line even if they cross last.

Daejoyoung:

Ok then, l hope you sustain it though, from 2009-2014, we grew at an average of 6% even at a GDP of 300Billion dollars and a rebased GDP of 594Billion dollars in 2014, but now in 2017, we could only manage a 1% growth(after [b]recession [/b]in 2016) and a 390Billion dollar GDP.

Due to our ambitions to be an upper middle income country by 2030, the word "Recession" has been banned in our dictionaries.

Daejoyoung:

My point is simple, there is no basis for comparison, railway development is ongoing in Nigeria too, and it's foolish to compare it's scale to that of Kenya.
Kenya is not ahead of Nigeria in every sector, that's a misleading title by the OP.
For example there are threads on Nairaland that shows so many indigenous industries in Nigeria l never knew existed, and there were so many of them which l verified myself, unfortunately these threads were tainted and inspired by tribal slurs but informative anyway.

https://www.nairaland.com/3918290/yorubas-most-industriousrichest-educated-tribe

https://www.nairaland.com/3926379/igbos-most-industrious-innovative-richest
The informal Nigerian private sector is huge, although l agree Nigeria is lagging behind Kenya in terms of public services and some major infrastructures.

Lets be realistic. If I said "USA is ahead of Kenya in ALL Aspects" you'd probably agree with me. But we all know that aint true because Kenya has faster internet than America, Kenya has less gun violence, Kenya has produced Obama etc. Essentially, there are those small small things that Kenya is better than America but the statement still holds true for the most part. Its the same with this thread. Kenya is ahead of Naija in just about everything except those small issues we can classify as "details".

Daejoyoung:
There is no absolute winner, you can only discuss what each country is doing right or wrong.

This is denial ma broda.

nwoke37:

So whatever Kenya is doing, it’s working...

Being diversified is what we are doing. You can hurt a sector or two of the Kenyan economy and we would still grow at 5 % or more. Al Shabaab tried it with tourism but all other sectors were still revving. Thats why we banned the term recession because it did not make sense within our dignified paradigm.

TayserMahiri:


I hope you're not insinuating we are at 94' level in terms of politics and democracy. We may be doing that shyt now but all that is actually a result of having too much democratic and political space. People here do as they wish without fear, I resume you saw that during your brief stay.

Far from that, just said Nigeria has been in a similar situation. I admire the fact Kenyans are able to assemble without fear of being persecuted..

TayserMahiri:


Lets be realistic. If I said "USA is ahead of Kenya in ALL Aspects" you'd probably agree with me. But we all know that aint true because Kenya has faster internet than America, Kenya has less gun violence, Kenya has produced Obama etc. Essentially, there are those small small things that Kenya is better than America but the statement still holds true for the most part. Its the same with this thread. Kenya is ahead of Naija in just about everything except those small issues we can classify as "details".

just about everything like what? electricity generation(even in that, it is relative). A Kenyan Nigerian comparison can't be thesame as a U.S-Kenyan comparison, that's a fallacy. I'm not here to argue, just giving you facts.
You are free to dispute and disagree as much as you want, l can say Nigeria is ahead in...
GDP per capita, Sports, Military, Fashion, Entertainment, Education(difficult to judge).
Kenya is ahead in lnfrastructure(the only major thing) and then little things like tea exports.
l don't blame you guys though, Nigeria normally shouldn't be compared to Kenya but to maybe Brazil, it's unfortunate.

nwoke37:


What is Kenya’s economy based on? Tourism and Tea?

The Kenyan economy is mainly agriculturally driven, ranging from food crop, cash crop and livestock. Another thing to note is that the Kenyan economy is dynamic in that the service industry which can also be attributed to tourism is another driver of the Kenyan commerce. Tea is the major export followed by coffee and a range of other value added products like milk etc.

Daejoyoung:

Ok then, l hope you sustain it though, from 2009-2014, we grew at an average of 6% even at a GDP of 300Billion dollars and a rebased GDP of 594Billion dollars in 2014, but now in 2017, we could only manage a 1% growth(after recession in 2016) and a 390Billion dollar GDP.

The year 2014 coincided with major drop in world oil price. To a greater degree Nigeria Economy is depended on oil. My view is that oil money should be used to sling shot a country economy but should not be the only resource to depend on. I like the way UAE states have managed to use their oil money an invested in other sectors such as tourism and finance.

TayserMahiri:


Of course. We chopped di monie

But I learnt naijas have a system that allows losers to be prized for being Nigerian. They award the first nigerian to cross the line even if they cross last.

They need the encouragement

mtis:


The year 2014 coincided with major drop in world oil price. To a greater degree Nigeria Economy is depended on oil. My view is that oil money should be used to sling shot a country economy but should not be the only resource to depend on. I like the way UAE states have managed to use their oil money an invested in other sectors such as tourism and finance.

Yeah we still wouldn't have been so badly affected but for some policies by the new Government and the trouble in the Niger Delta which reduced the output given that it is one of the pillars of the economy after Agriculture and services and still makes up about 75-90% of export, it was always bound to affect the exchange rate.

ashleysummer:

I've recently attended an escape room by https://escapehour.ca/ . It's a perfect way to spend an evening after work with friends in a mind-stimulating activity. Can't wait trying another room to escape!

Sure and it creates bonds. The one you shared actually sounds a little bit more 'advanced' than the one in Nairobi, though they introduced a submarine room not so long ago at escape room kenya. When I saw Calgary I thought it was in Italy. May you be blessed with abundant meatballs for the enlightenment. Are you Nigerian or Kenyan living in Canada?

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Far from that, just said Nigeria has been in a similar situation. I admire the fact Kenyans are able to assemble without fear of being persecuted..

Sheng umeigitch sana? Saw you speaking some

Daejoyoung:

just about everything like what? electricity generation(even in that, it is relative). A Kenyan Nigerian comparison can't be thesame as a U.S-Kenyan comparison, that's a fallacy. I'm not here to argue, just giving you facts.
You are free to dispute and disagree as much as you want, l can say Nigeria is ahead in...
GDP per capita, Sports, Military, Fashion, Entertainment, Education(difficult to judge).
Kenya is ahead in lnfrastructure(the only major thing) and then little things like tea exports.
l don't blame you guys though, Nigeria normally shouldn't be compared to Kenya but to maybe Brazil, it's unfortunate.

You need to kick sports, military and education out of your list. No way you can be ahead in those. You call tea little things? I dont wonna start a lesson for you on that it might be overwhelming.

So why cant you rely on the experience of those Nigerians who have actually been to Kenya. Many of your country folk get a sense of remorse/ pity immediately they land at the airport in Nairobi because it feels like they landed somewhere in Europe. You might land in Nairobi in future and then come back here with a different tune.

TayserMahiri:




Sheng umeigitch sana? Saw you speaking some

Na jua kidogo sheng

TayserMahiri:


You need to kick sports, military and education out of your list. No way you can be ahead in those. You call tea little things? I dont wonna start a lesson for you on that it might be overwhelming.

So why cant you rely on the experience of those Nigerians who have actually been to Kenya. Many of your country folk get a sense of remorse/ pity immediately they land at the airport in Nairobi because it feels like they landed somewhere in Europe. You might land in Nairobi in future and then come back here with a different tune.

Wow are you ahead of Nigeria in Sports and Military?

TayserMahiri:


You need to kick sports, military and education out of your list. No way you can be ahead in those. You call tea little things? I dont wonna start a lesson for you on that it might be overwhelming.

So why cant you rely on the experience of those Nigerians who have actually been to Kenya. Many of your country folk get a sense of remorse/ pity immediately they land at the airport in Nairobi because it feels like they landed somewhere in Europe. You might land in Nairobi in future and then come back here with a different tune.

We can get more information from gdp.
Nigeria has a higher per capital income
Kenya has higher per capital debt ratio
Kenya has higher per capita on infrastructure , education , health(5x in education
Nigeria
Nigeria has a lower p.c on defence
Similar corruption index 26 vs 28
Same fitch ratings b plus.
Nigeria has more religious institutions. Per capita
Internet penetration is higher in Kenya..

Daejoyoung:

Wow are you ahead of Nigeria in Sports and Military?

Kenya is doing well in rugby sevens, cricket,long distance racing, motor sports,
There are many Nigerians playing in the Kpl.
They've been the most successful. African team at the olympics, Iaaf for a while now.
If in doubt check the medal count at the last olympics.
Nigerians are doing well in sport but mostly individually. Collectively not so much.
Millitary, I know Kenya is a powerhouse in East Africa.so is Nigeria in W.Africa and Africa at large. But according to gdp stats, kenya spends 5 dollars more per citizen than Nigeria. In defence

Daejoyoung:

Wow are you ahead of Nigeria in Sports and Military?

Of course ! Your military is a joke. It might be big in personnel but very inefficient. Kenya's is small but very efficient. No need to argue over sports, we covered that pages back.

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We can get more information from gdp.
Nigeria has a higher per capital income
Kenya has higher per capital debt ratio
Kenya has higher per capita on infrastructure , education , health(5x in education
Nigeria
Nigeria has a lower p.c on defence
Similar corruption index 26 vs 28
Same fitch ratings b plus.
Nigeria has more religious institutions. Per capita
Internet penetration is higher in Kenya..

Conclusion?

I dont agree with religious institutions per capita being part of the assessment. Clearly Kenya spends more per capita on the things that make life better for its citizens despite having a lower per capita gdp.

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Kenya is doing well in rugby sevens, cricket,long distance racing, motor sports,
There are many Nigerians playing in the Kpl.
They've been the most successful. African team at the olympics, Iaaf for a while now.
If in doubt check the medal count at the last olympics.
Nigerians are doing well in sport but mostly individually. Collectively not so much.
Millitary, I know Kenya is a powerhouse in East Africa.so is Nigeria in W.Africa and Africa at large. But according to gdp stats, ken spends 5 dollars more per citizen than Nigeria. In defence

Egypt
Algeria
Ethopia
Nigeria
South Africa
Angola
Morocco
Sudan
Libya
Democratic Republic of the Congo


Above is the top ten militaries in Africa for 2017. Kenya did not even make top ten in Africa and you are here comparing them with Nigeria militarily. As someone rightly said, Nigeria should be in comparison with countries like Brazil, India, etc.

TayserMahiri:


Conclusion?

I dont agree with religious institutions per capita being part of the assessment. Clearly Kenya spends more per capita on the things that make life better for its citizens despite having a lower per capita gdp.

I was expecting you see through the sarcasm.
I made my conclusions February 2013..

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Kenya is doing well in rugby sevens, cricket,long distance racing, motor sports,
There are many Nigerians playing in the Kpl.
They've been the most successful. African team at the olympics, Iaaf for a while now.
If in doubt check the medal count at the last olympics.
Nigerians are doing well in sport but mostly individually. Collectively not so much.
Millitary, I know Kenya is a powerhouse in East Africa.so is Nigeria in W.Africa and Africa at large. But according to gdp stats, ken spends 5 dollars more per citizen than Nigeria. In defence

Thank you

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I was expecting you see through the sarcasm.
I made my conclusions February 2013..

Is that when you were in Kenya?