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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 9:44am On Feb 17, 2018 |
Henry240: They never observed the helo? The gun has a limited range so my opinion, they should have noticed the helo coming in OR what do you think? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:44am On Feb 17, 2018 |
BlackBaron:$10,000 per guidance kit doesn't seem affordable at all. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 9:46am On Feb 17, 2018 |
BlackBaron: You know how many shells are being fired per day in the north east? Firing millions of dollars in the war against BHT won't be a good idea since we can easily get coordinates with ISR and fire unguided shells. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:48am On Feb 17, 2018 |
I don't understand this leftist idea of what war is. Is it supposed to be a Tea Party? Makes no sense to me, war is not supposed to be pretty or a soap opera, it is brutal. I understand the need to reduce collateral damage, but it simply drives the cost of prosecuting an operation. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:51am On Feb 17, 2018 |
tdayof:I'm sure they noticed the helo,but should we all run away upon sighting an MI-35 helo flying overhead our streets? People going about their normal businesses getting wacked by a foreign AH in home soil. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:53am On Feb 17, 2018 |
tdayof:Coordinates can easily be entered into in NA Bofors artillery systems. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 9:57am On Feb 17, 2018 |
Henry240: Yes. Exactly why I said ISR can get the coordinates and then the artillery guys input it and then some dead BHT. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 10:00am On Feb 17, 2018 |
Henry240: Just noticed the guys were not armed. Where's amnesty international? I bet if this was Nigeria, we will be getting immediate sanctions already before the deliver of the Tucanos. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by BlackBaron: 10:26am On Feb 17, 2018 |
tdayof:You're merely boiling it down to costs. I'm asking of the possibility of also developing similar systems for ourselves. Unguided shells are sometimes inaccurate depending on factors. If needing close support with risks of troops nearby. What's the solution? Henry240:Fine mentality you got there Sir. Let's just level everything on a bf because we saw ten BH. What has the left also got to do with the discussions here. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:36am On Feb 17, 2018 |
BlackBaron: Are you sure you read my post at all? I specifically said i understand the need for reduction of collateral damage but there is no political correctness in war. Wars involve the killing of other human beings, how do you want to rationalize that. Or would your guided shells be lobbed at mannequins? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by jteku(m): 11:19am On Feb 17, 2018 |
Henry240:. This was a long time ago when some Iraqi journalist were mistaken for militias. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 11:34am On Feb 17, 2018 |
Henry240:Thank you |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ActivateKruger: 12:18pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
patches689: As Frumentius pointed out, they're used on CIT and truck hijacking. They're Chinese. They don't just block cellphone signals but satellite tracking and police communication as well. They're very common with Zimbabwean syndicates. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kenpaul0: 1:47pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
Was that a helo or a 130 gunship? tdayof: |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Xbee007(m): 1:57pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
kenpaul0: tdayof:It was an Apache helicopter. You can read more about USA's attacks on innocent Iraqis here. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 2:48pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
Xbee007: There's no one to sanction them. ![]() |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 2:55pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
tdayof:tdayof I have responded to your DM |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Xbee007(m): 3:01pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
tdayof:Hahaha, no sanction against the "world police" can have any significance. They have the whole world, Amnesty International and Human Right Watch by the balls eating at their their palms. If not because of Assange's Wikileaks, the world would never have known that American soldiers killed civilians just to sauce up their profiles. Apparently, an helicopter gunner with higher kill rate will definitely earn more respect and quick promotion than that with lower kill rate. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 3:13pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
lionel4power: Replied too. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:50pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
BlackBaron: OEMs use the term precision rather too liberally. What the CEP in terms of range What is the first round hit probability What is the capability of the gun itself , does it sport INS which needs to feed into GPS/INS of guided round's. If not then accuracy effected. What is the effect due to terrain and weather on CEP. Lot of questions, rich countries can afford to experiment, but I would wait out for the tech to mature and the price to come down. Orbital kits r accurate to within 50m , a upgraded gun with relevant support systems will allow u better than 50 m accuracy with normal rounds IMO. Excalibur rounds r very expensive and need the guns to be up-to-date with INS and network centric FCS 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:01pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
tdayof: Egbon... this fighting style is so 16th century ![]() What about in a CQB where lota variables are involved and not just feeding coordinates to a dumb gun ? What if at the time of feeding coordinates to the big guns, then the target gets on its move ? Compromising all these clinical for cost is what makes us a third world sh*thole ![]() Henry240: Senior man... Yes, war is not soap opera, but neither is it a mad man's game. Yes We need to fight according to our bank account... this not withstanding we cannot compromise on fighting good, fighting right and fighting clean. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 9:21pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
abiodunalasa: Artillery are being used on enemy position / strong hold to dismantle them here giving ground troops an easy way to get in. Even guided artillery will miss a target which would be out of positions in few minutes. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:29pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
tdayof: What if its a mobile base... Like a ship ? ![]() Or one of those 21st century Battle Mobile Strongholds BMS ? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 9:42pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
abiodunalasa: Intel are being performed before launching an artillery. If you have the position of a mobile air defence systems, do you think after lauching a cruise missile with sophisticated guidance systems, the missile will keep following the platform to wherever location it's going? Hell no. Guidance system is just for precision since you have nothing to "home" om. Or an aircraft to update coordinates into the missile / artillery. In essence, a guided artillery will also miss a moving target except if coordinate is been updated regularly through an aircraft or whatever. Advantage of a guided artillery is precision. andrewza already mentioned it that you can fire more shells to effect accuracy from unguided arty. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:51pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
tdayof: "... Fire more shells to effect accuracy... " Thats what they call spray and pray ![]() Throwing 20 stones at a bird and hoping one hits it on the head. ![]() ![]() Egbon stop defending our defect. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 10:41pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
abiodunalasa: Typical Nigerian. No one here is defending the Nigerian defect. I'm simply giving out an opinion on how both unguided and guided artillery works which you've not been able to counter with a point or fact but instead slam the 3rd world Bullshit. It's very simple. A guided artillery will not follow a moving target to where so ever it's going but exact coordinates will get hit due to the GPS / inertial /laser guidance systems being employed. An unguided arty will have a + or - . Same as rockets. You've seen our MRLS, unguided MRLS hitting bokoharam positions effectively. There are some guided shells for about $75,000 which we can get. We can easily add that to our inventory. No one is saying Nigeria shouldn't posses such requirements. Imagine spending $50M on 500 guided shells when we can do what we want effectively with unguided shells at cheaper price. 4 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:49pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
I'm always intrigued how easy it is for people who've never put on the uniform to pontificate on the intricacies of war-fighting. At dinner parties I've now taken to calling myself a colonoscopic surgeon, cos nobody is going to kibitz about their arse and how best to examine it. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by CaptainStephen(m): 11:55pm On Feb 17, 2018 |
Frumentum: ![]() ![]() Go gently on thy patients ![]() 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 12:03am On Feb 18, 2018 |
Frumentum:Hate to break it to you frum, but most military concepts and issues are not that complex. It's highly technical matters such as military logistics and engineering that are beyond the pale of the layman. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by obonomaa: 1:02am On Feb 18, 2018 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:25am On Feb 18, 2018 |
patches689:Of course a physically fit matriculant will breeze through basics and with training will make a decent soldier, and then even go on to arty. Is this trooper qualified to pontificate on the technical details of artillery systems? Of course not. I signed on with an Honours degree in Economics and International Relations and there's so much I still don't know, a year from walking away having being head-hunted by a global think-tank. As you rightly point out, the highly technical matters should best be left to those who've studied them. My taxpayer-funded Master's in Military Science does no more than qualify me to, for example, read and understand financial statements. I wouldn't dream of pontificating on accounting modelling theories. Yet, people who've no idea of the basics of artillery and its application pontificate too easily on the highly technical aspects that artillery men with decades of experience approach with caution and circumspection. cc: CaptainStephen 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 8:17am On Feb 18, 2018 |
abiodunalasa: It not 3rd world bullshit it a method used by most countries. Guided shells even in rich countries are used sparingly. Only high value targets or targets in built up area would get a guided shell. A artillery barrage is normal 6 to 8 guns destroying area withat least 3 rounds from each gun. Remember you normally won't fire a barrage on one or two people but large groups. 1 Like |
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