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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:29am On Feb 21, 2018
Kog45:
Age issue again,pls don't let us go nto that cos i can tell you those who really used good age are the likes of Christian Chuckwu,Muda Lawal,Segun Odegbami, Adokiye Aimesemeika, Felix Owolabi,Stephen Keshi,Peter Rufai,Austin Eguavoen.

On marriage, married older lady is not a point to determine players age,hope you remember someone like RMD married very older MEE of defunct classique in the 90s,Ali Baba married older Patrician Leon in early 2000,so not a point.

Pls did you know the age Ahmed Musa got married even those with real age like Keshi,Eguavoen,Rufai married after secondary school so sometimes it depends on individual decision.

Musa Yahaya that passed MRI got married in 2016. Mathew Olorunleke, 2015 Flying Eagles goalie got married in 2015. Five years down the lane and they may have given birth to 3 children just like Kayode and someone will start doubting their ages because of that?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:32am On Feb 21, 2018
Kog45:
Sir it's possible using the same set of players for different formation,pls go and do your research very well on teams formations during tournament.

Would you field Shehu in a 5-3-2 formation just because you cannot change a winning team?

The point is simple: your first eleven remains SUBSTANTIALLY the same. One or two players just for dynamism doesn't change it if you have a good bench

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Eligreat247: 7:32am On Feb 21, 2018
kingphilip:
to neutralize him is just allow a player mark him always

He only thrives when 2 or more players come marking him. He's not an expert in beating one on one

Against Argentina if Ndidi is given the duty to mark him, I'm sure he'll be silent and quiet for most part of the game

From defense, I think Ebuehi will do a good job in neutralizing Messi. From the little I've known about Ebuehi, the guy is so tenacious and wouldn't give you a break at all...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by asha80(m): 7:35am On Feb 21, 2018
Eligreat247:


From defense, I think Ebuehi will do a good job in neutralizing Messi. From the little I've known about Ebuehi, the guy is so tenacious and wouldn't give you a break at all...
ebuehi is wing back though not a central one

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:39am On Feb 21, 2018
Moses did great defensively last night.

But his decision making in the final third of the opposing side was just average.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:40am On Feb 21, 2018
What I know is that you cannot play the same set of players with the same tactics against all opponents. You will get roasted just because of a mantra that you never change a winning team.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:41am On Feb 21, 2018
Mujtahida:

Being professional does not mean a player can play just about everywhere or that a player doesn't have a position that brings out his best.

I disagree too that Ndidi has had a slow start. He flourishes when he is allowed to rove. And incidentally that's the same position Onazi plays. How can Ndidi be the tackling machines if he sits to cover the defence?

I deliberately raised the Ndidi/Onazi debate cos the thread was threadbare as if we are on holiday. We are just rubbing minds. Nothing much was up for discussion so I raised this up.

I don't think anyone's blaming Onazi. It's clear to see that that combination doesn't gell. Recall in the friendly against Senegal. Ndidi came alive when Onazi was injured and Ogu came in. Again in the friendly against Argentina he really posted a superb play. In fact I used to be like this Ndidi is holding back his Leicester game when he plays for the Eagles but in that game I saw how good he is. I am not by this blaming Onazi or saying he should make way for Ndidi. It's about having the best combination for each opponent and it's been opined here that for some games Ndidi-Onazi combination might be the best.

This is not a for Ndidi or against Onazi debate. It's a debate about our best midfield combination. To look at it from that angle of blaming Onazi is to give an entirely different cast to our discussion.


Have we actually ever paired Onazi with Ogu to see if Onazi will outperform Ndidi? True Onazi-Ndidi does not work, I have been saying that since the first leg against Algeria, but then why should we just decide that Ogu-Ndidi is better than Ogu-Onazi? Let's look at this critically.

Onazi-Mikel was working wonders why? Mikel as a DMF sits, he doesn't move and you could see Onazi doing wonders in that Afcon. Then he gets injured at the world cup, he returns and he has had to pair up with Etebo(who roams more than him) and Ndidi as well, forcing him to try to manage his game. If for anything I think we should actually praise Onazi because in most cases he is usually the DMF who sits to defend closer to the box despite the fact that it isn't his position. So why not try out Ogu-Onazi combo to see if it's as good as Ogu-Ndidi or even better. I mean let's not be fooled, that first half against Argentina was a pure lesson on utter domination so I don't know how we have decided-entirely from just 45mins, that Ogu-Ndidi is our best combo. If they post that first half performance against even Iceland we have a problem. So my simple point is that Onazi deserves the benefit of the doubt. He is the vice captain and since we have been here harping on how to utilise Ndidi best, why don't we also ponder on how to utilise Onazi best?

Ndidi-Joel is going to be the worst combo. The only way Joel can work is if Mikel decides to go back to Dmf which probably won't happen

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:41am On Feb 21, 2018
Eligreat247:


From defense, I think Ebuehi will do a good job in neutralizing Messi. From the little I've known about Ebuehi, the guy is so tenacious and wouldn't give you a break at all...

It will not be Ebuehi that will majorly be on Messi. It will majorly be the DM and the CB pairing.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:50am On Feb 21, 2018
Mickael2:



Have we actually ever paired Onazi with Ogu to see if Onazi will outperform Ndidi? True Onazi-Ndidi does not work, I have been saying that since the first leg against Algeria, but then why should we just decide that Ogu-Ndidi is better than Ogu-Onazi? Let's look at this critically.

Onazi-Mikel was working wonders why? Mikel as a DMF sits, he doesn't move and you could see Onazi doing wonders in that Afcon. Then he gets injured at the world cup, he returns and he has had to pair up with Etebo(who roams more than him) and Ndidi as well, forcing him to try to manage his game. If for anything I think we should actually praise Onazi because in most cases he is usually the DMF who sits to defend closer to the box despite the fact that it isn't his position. So why not try out Ogu-Onazi combo to see if it's as good as Ogu-Ndidi or even better. I mean let's not be fooled, that first half against Argentina was a pure lesson on utter domination so I don't know how we have decided-entirely from just 45mins, that Ogu-Ndidi is our best combo. If they post that first half performance against even Iceland we have a problem. So my simple point is that Onazi deserves the benefit of the doubt. He is the vice captain and since we have been here harping on how to utilise Ndidi best, why don't we also ponder on how to utilise Onazi best?

Ndidi-Joel is going to be the worst combo. The only way Joel can work is if Mikel decides to go back to Dmf which probably won't happen

I agree with what you wrote except that you think we are blaming Onazi. We are not.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:50am On Feb 21, 2018
Mujtahida:


Would you field Shehu in a 5-3-2 formation just because you cannot change a winning team?

The point is simple: your first eleven remains SUBSTANTIALLY the same. One or two players just for dynamism doesn't change it if you have a good bench
Good your last paragraph nailed it all.I think we should move on cos you just stated what i want to hear.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:53am On Feb 21, 2018
Mickael2:



Have we actually ever paired Onazi with Ogu to see if Onazi will outperform Ndidi? True Onazi-Ndidi does not work, I have been saying that since the first leg against Algeria, but then why should we just decide that Ogu-Ndidi is better than Ogu-Onazi? Let's look at this critically.

Onazi-Mikel was working wonders why? Mikel as a DMF sits, he doesn't move and you could see Onazi doing wonders in that Afcon. Then he gets injured at the world cup, he returns and he has had to pair up with Etebo(who roams more than him) and Ndidi as well, forcing him to try to manage his game. If for anything I think we should actually praise Onazi because in most cases he is usually the DMF who sits to defend closer to the box despite the fact that it isn't his position. So why not try out Ogu-Onazi combo to see if it's as good as Ogu-Ndidi or even better. I mean let's not be fooled, that first half against Argentina was a pure lesson on utter domination so I don't know how we have decided-entirely from just 45mins, that Ogu-Ndidi is our best combo. If they post that first half performance against even Iceland we have a problem. So my simple point is that Onazi deserves the benefit of the doubt. He is the vice captain and since we have been here harping on how to utilise Ndidi best, why don't we also ponder on how to utilise Onazi best?

Ndidi-Joel is going to be the worst combo. The only way Joel can work is if Mikel decides to go back to Dmf which probably won't happen
Thank God you can see that that combo doesn't work.

Nobody is beating or blaming Onazi. Not at all. I have harped on the fact that the best combination is the one that brings out the best in the both of them. Whether it's Ogu combined with Onazi or Ndidi and Ogu or even Etebo. What I do know is that that combination doesn't work seamlessly and we cannot for the sake of doing the done thing or that this is the way it's always been never try something different.

Let me ask you a simple question:do you think that playing the same tactics suits all the players? And can or should we play the same players with the same tactics all through the tournament?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:53am On Feb 21, 2018
Mujtahida:


Would you field Shehu in a 5-3-2 formation just because you cannot change a winning team?

The point is simple: your first eleven remains SUBSTANTIALLY the same. One or two players just for dynamism doesn't change it if you have a good bench
Good your last paragraph nailed it all.I think we should move on cos you just stated what i wanted to hear all this while and icon4s comprehensive analysis has said it all
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:55am On Feb 21, 2018
Kog45:
Good your last paragraph nailed it all.I think we should move on cos you just stated what i want to hear.
But that's what I and Bengine have being saying since. In fact we have centered just on the midfield trio of Onazi - Ndidi - Ogu
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:55am On Feb 21, 2018
Mujtahida:
What I know is that you cannot play the same set of players with the same tactics against all opponents. You will get roasted just because of a mantra that you never change a winning team.

As I said before the national teams are typically limited in options as compared with clubs. For most countries the starters stand tall above those on the bench that the later may not even be considered even if there is a switch in formation.

Secondly the national teams do not have the luxury of time the clubs have to experiment on different tactics with different players options.

Thirdly, clubs can always make up for defeats in case their tactics, players selection or formation fail. The national teams do not play as many matches so little room for a make up. For eg if we go and play an alien formation against Croatia, just because we think we can catch them unawares, but it fails and we get whipped we are out of the WC! National team coaches have limited room for experiments and varieties. They typically find a system that works for the team and stick to it.
Slight changes can be made but care should be taken not to upset the balance in the team.

The key is focus more on perfecting your tactics than spending time to experiment on a tactics that you may think is alien to your opponents.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 8:02am On Feb 21, 2018
Mujtahida:

Thank God you can see that that combo doesn't work.

Nobody is beating or blaming Onazi. Not at all. I have harped on the fact that the best combination is the one that brings out the best in the both of them. Whether it's Ogu combined with Onazi or Ndidi and Ogu or even Etebo. What I do know is that that combination doesn't work seamlessly and we cannot for the sake of doing the done thing or that this is the way it's always been never try something different.

Let me ask you a simple question:do you think that playing the same tactics suits all the players? And can or should we play the same players with the same tactics all through the tournament?


I believe I was the one telling everybody that Shehu has no business in a 3-5-2 except as a DMF remember? So of course teams change when tactics change. I mean Spain came to the Euro final and decided to play a 4-6-0 and changed one or two first team players in the final oh. I also remember that in Luis Enrique's first classico he decided to field Xavi who was no longer part of the first XI, it backfired sha but I get your point totally.

However, I am not ok with the fact that everybody has been pointing out that we need the best from Ndidi etc etc. What about getting the best from Onazi? I mean getting the best from Onazi gave us an Afcon winners medal as well as a world cup round of 16 berth. Getting the best out of Ndidi gave us a stalemate against Senegal and one of the poorest first period in recent memory against Argentina
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:12am On Feb 21, 2018
Mickael2:



I believe I was the one telling everybody that Shehu has no business in a 3-5-2 except as a DMF remember? So of course teams change when tactics change. I mean Spain came to the Euro final and decided to play a 4-6-0 and changed one or two first team players in the final oh. I also remember that in Luis Enrique's first classico he decided to field Xavi who was no longer part of the first XI, it backfired sha but I get your point totally.

However, I am not ok with the fact that everybody has been pointing out that we need the best from Ndidi etc etc. What about getting the best from Onazi? I mean getting the best from Onazi gave us an Afcon winners medal as well as a world cup round of 16 berth. Getting the best out of Ndidi gave us a stalemate against Senegal and one of the poorest first period in recent memory against Argentina

Sorry, your first sentence, was it before or after the Argentina friendly?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 8:20am On Feb 21, 2018
Mujtahida:

Thank God you can see that that combo doesn't work.

Nobody is beating or blaming Onazi. Not at all. I have harped on the fact that the best combination is the one that brings out the best in the both of them. Whether it's Ogu combined with Onazi or Ndidi and Ogu or even Etebo. What I do know is that that combination doesn't work seamlessly and we cannot for the sake of doing the done thing or that this is the way it's always been never try something different.

Let me ask you a simple question:do you think that playing the same tactics suits all the players? And can or should we play the same players with the same tactics all through the tournament?
As a player you must be able to adapt to all tactics if you want to succeed as a player.

My man we are not saying using the same set of players all through,pls try and read icon4s comment.

I don't think it would be advisable beating Croatia and cos Iceland brings different tactics then we distort our performing lineup,again beating Iceland and Argentina brings up another tactics,we changes our team again, it's not done that way.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:22am On Feb 21, 2018
Kog45:
As a player you must be able to adapt to all tactics if you want to succeed as a player.

My man we are not saying using the same set of players all through,pls try and read icon4s comment.

I don't think it would be advisable beating Croatia and cos Iceland brings different tactics then we distort our performing lineup,again beating Iceland and Argentina brings up another tactics,we changes our team again, it's not done that way.

Thank you my brother.

National teams are not coached that way.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 8:31am On Feb 21, 2018
Mickael2:



I believe I was the one telling everybody that Shehu has no business in a 3-5-2 except as a DMF remember? So of course teams change when tactics change. I mean Spain came to the Euro final and decided to play a 4-6-0 and changed one or two first team players in the final oh. I also remember that in Luis Enrique's first classico he decided to field Xavi who was no longer part of the first XI, it backfired sha but I get your point totally.

However, I am not ok with the fact that everybody has been pointing out that we need the best from Ndidi etc etc. What about getting the best from Onazi? I mean getting the best from Onazi gave us an Afcon winners medal as well as a world cup round of 16 berth. Getting the best out of Ndidi gave us a stalemate against Senegal and one of the poorest first period in recent memory against Argentina
Spain line up changed in Euro cup final due to injury

The question is do we need to change our team due to our opponent tactics even if they are performing or do you think beating Croatia then Rohr would change his lineup against Iceland barely any unjury.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 8:37am On Feb 21, 2018
Eligreat247:


From defense, I think Ebuehi will do a good job in neutralizing Messi. From the little I've known about Ebuehi, the guy is so tenacious and wouldn't give you a break at all...
My thoughts too. That Ebuehi of a guy seems to be a very good man-marker.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 8:44am On Feb 21, 2018
Mickael2:



I believe I was the one telling everybody that Shehu has no business in a 3-5-2 except as a DMF remember? So of course teams change when tactics change. I mean Spain came to the Euro final and decided to play a 4-6-0 and changed one or two first team players in the final oh. I also remember that in Luis Enrique's first classico he decided to field Xavi who was no longer part of the first XI, it backfired sha but I get your point totally.

However, I am not ok with the fact that everybody has been pointing out that we need the best from Ndidi etc etc. What about getting the best from Onazi? I mean getting the best from Onazi gave us an Afcon winners medal as well as a world cup round of 16 berth. Getting the best out of Ndidi gave us a stalemate against Senegal and one of the poorest first period in recent memory against Argentina
Thank you Mike,Ndidi sentiments outshine our beautiful discussion cos it centred on how Onazi has been limiting Ndidi performance in eagles which is uncalled for.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 8:55am On Feb 21, 2018
Icon4s:


Sorry, your first sentence, was it before or after the Argentina friendly?

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 9:00am On Feb 21, 2018
Icon4s:


Sorry, your first sentence, was it before or after the Argentina friendly?

I think Argentina friendly would be our greatest undue at WC if Rohr want to base his assessment of the team on it and forgetting our WC qualifiers matches,it seems a lot have forgotten that the same Argentina needed to wait till last match before they made it.

Funny enough we talk more on Argentina friendly to rate our players,player like Shehu is now underrated to a point that 45 minutes Ebuhei is the main man now.

Goood i don't think Rohr is having it like a fan cos am seeing him considering Akpeyi again meaning he is a coach who know what is going on in the team than we fans.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 9:07am On Feb 21, 2018
Icon4s:

Sorry, your first sentence, was it before or after the Argentina friendly?

before the friendly of course. I had the conversation with Mujtahida
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 9:11am On Feb 21, 2018
Mujtahida:
What I know is that you cannot play the same set of players with the same tactics against all opponents. You will get roasted just because of a mantra that you never change a winning team.



But boss dt Brazil led title side will always play a 4-3-3 formation at d world cup and dey might still lift d trophy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by asha80(m): 9:17am On Feb 21, 2018
elyte89:




But boss dt Brazil led title side will always play a 4-3-3 formation at d world cup and dey might still lift d trophy
the personel in the middle 3 might not be the same
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Eseose9(f): 9:46am On Feb 21, 2018
Icon4s:

I was born and raised in that side of the country too.

You will hardly see a Yoruba man who is financially successful that is not married. Kayode has made money for years now, so what do u expect?

Talking about his wife looking 30s. You know child bearing makes most women look older. And secondly Yoruba women typically marry their age mates (I mean 1-3years difference). Some are even older than their husbands.

I am not doubting that Kayode age-cheated but his is definitely not as much as that of Chrisantus.

kayode's wife is Igbo

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 10:10am On Feb 21, 2018
Eseose9:


kayode's wife is Igbo
Yes Igbo lady in her 20s
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 10:43am On Feb 21, 2018
Bros, lets not turn white to black here so i will just keep quiet. his bia bia alone says alot (the thickness, shape etc).

Make i turn 'blind eye"

Taiye Taiwo things cheesy

Kog45:
Age issue again,pls don't let us go nto that cos i can tell you those who really used good age are the likes of Christian Chuckwu,Muda Lawal,Segun Odegbami, Adokiye Aimesemeika, Felix Owolabi,Stephen Keshi,Peter Rufai,Austin Eguavoen.

On marriage, married older lady is not a point to determine someone's age,hope you remember someone like RMD married very older MEE of defunct classique in the 90s,Ali Baba married older Patrician Leon in early 2000,Darey Art Alade married older lady,so not a point

Pls did you know the age Ahmed Musa got married even those with real age like Keshi,Eguavoen,Rufai married after secondary school so sometimes it depends on individual decision.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 10:50am On Feb 21, 2018
I am not comparing both here, i only quoted that picture since it was in line with what i wanted to post.

That being said, please oga, can you in all honesty say that lady is less than 28?

Can you with all truthfulness say Kayode is less than 28?

Forget all the stories you previously raised, MOST of the men i know right now in this part of the country aren't married, most are okay and none is less than 28!

Make i just comot eye small jare grin grin grin
Icon4s:

I was born and raised in that side of the country too.

You will hardly see a Yoruba man who is financially successful that is not married. Kayode has made money for years now, so what do u expect?

Talking about his wife looking 30s. You know child bearing makes most women look older. And secondly Yoruba women typically marry their age mates (I mean 1-3years difference). Some are even older than their husbands.

I am not doubting that Kayode age-cheated but his is definitely not as much as that of Chrisantus.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 10:54am On Feb 21, 2018
And except she didn't go to school, and if she went, unless she is from a very well to do family and happens to have completed schooling including University before 20...... we can complete the rest
Eseose9:


kayode's wife is Igbo

3 children o... maybe she married Kayode when she was 17 grin

Very rare to see an igbo woman who completed tertiary institution to be married before 21 except she married while in school.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 10:56am On Feb 21, 2018
MFM playing their first ever continental game live and direct at AGEGE stadium today

The stadium has been approved and named "the Soccer Temple".

If you're in lag, kindly come catch the lads do their thing.

They need a win or at least a less than 2:2 draw for any hope of advancing.

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