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Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 4:47pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
FlipGamBino:Ladies and Gents we have reason to celebrate. Flipcambino is in the e-house! How far buddy? |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by FlipGamBino: 4:58pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
LoJ: Oh I am doing well, Old friend. Happy New year. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 5:17pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Nobody is disputing the context of Paul’s reply, at least I am not. And this bug-bear of yours that a Man generally rolls over and goes to sleep after sex whilst a woman does not is rather self-indulgent and superfluous to the argument. We both agree that sex in the context of marriage cannot be carnal under any circumstances…and that is enough…. it deals with the OP’s premise. MuttleyLaff: I rather think the entire shebang is as a result of fellows becoming disgruntled at their women “shutting up shop” during fasting periods. I think the puritanical aspect came later. MuttleyLaff:Sorry I was unaware you were being charmed! MuttleyLaff:Paul’s own words and his doctrinal attitudes towards women speaks for itself. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 5:18pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:And most of the time...neither can they! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 5:30pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
FlipGamBino:Happy new year dear. When are You coming over here? I invite You in any place of your choosing, drink is on me. For the girls I cant promise ![]() |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by FlipGamBino: 5:47pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Firstly I want to assure you that you do not bump into the Holy Spirit by accident. Also; I guarantee you, the day you actually encounter the holy spirit not only will you be able to explain what steps you took, you will realize that a lot more than you anticipated will depend on you knowing and remembering that process. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by FlipGamBino: 6:02pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
LoJ: hahaha...Oh the girls have to be part of the pack. As a saying goes, "Booze without chicks is like jellof rice without meat"...OK.I'm just playing, LOL. 1 Like |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MizMyColi(f): 7:03pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Yes, it is carnal. I agree. People should not have sex in marriage. Marriage is not meant for sex. Sex in marriage, sorry, fasting, defies the matrimonial bed. When you fast, you should not talk to your hubby either. Remove your self from the world. Oil and water don't mix. The things of God and the things of man don't mix either. You are either here or there. No inbetweeners. Jesus will spit you out! 1 Like |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 8:09pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Mujtahida:Thank you |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 8:11pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
FlipGamBino:To begin with, i didn't make the post you quoted from. I don't know who did. So, i won't be responding to this. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 8:22pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Sarassin:Why do you say the reasoning is flawed? The meat of the gist is, we can't be fasting (fusing into God) and be fusing into each other as husband and wife at them same time). Is this what is flawed and disjointed? Well, i will be damned if i ever thought of what i wrote out here. I have never thought of fasting differently from what the Word says about it. And trust me, no preacher has ever mentioned fusing into God during fasting to me, so if this is my personal thoughts, then i will say, Praise God'. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 8:26pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
FlipGamBino:Ahaha. Okay I will pay for the ladies if and only if Sarassin comes along. Ohh perhaps he could be fasting then ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Soteriahascome: 8:34pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Sex is spiritual, especially to them that are spiritually minded. Sex is a carnal experience but it's more of the Spirit than carnal... What Apostle Paul said is more understandable... Or do you wish to be having sex while praying and fasting ![]() When you want to fast! You should only be fasting from everything else except reading your Bible, and praying to God. 1 Like |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Soteriahascome: 8:37pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Having sex with your wife is highly spiritual and should only be avoided with consent... |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 8:38pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Sarassin:How is it a doggy verse? Sarassin:I never said it's not. Sarassin:Well, that may be true, but the Corinthians to whom this letter was addressed wasn't that Patriarchal, that's because of their acceptance of goddesses as Supreme deities. It was for the Jews, not necessarily for the Greeks. We see how that manifested in women trying to bring the society into the church where women ruled over men in the society, so brought it into the Church, hence; the command for women to keep silent in Church. And, when it comes to the bed, you'd be surprised how strong men melt. Patriarchy hardly comes up in bed. Except the man doesn't love his wife. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 8:41pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
LoJ: Of course, a jug of Weissbier on ice for me, and an amply endowed fraulein to serve it...just to serve it ooh..nothing else! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 8:44pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Well my dear, probably you should draw a deep breathe and read it through again or maybe something was lost in transcription. If you say the Holy Spirit disclosed this to you then fine, my lips are forever sealed. 1 Like |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MuttleyLaff: 8:51pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Mujtahida: Emmanystone:My invited guests are cultured |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MuttleyLaff: 8:54pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
MizMyColi:[img]https://s1/images/muttDuckEyed.jpg[/img] |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 8:58pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Still a bit mixed up. You say the Corinthians were not patriarchal but you then go on to say that the letters were addressed to the Jews, who were indeed highly patriarchal, so my original proposition still holds. The command to women to hold their peace in church had nothing to do with societal issues as you put it, it was more to do with the fact that early Christian leaders at that time considered that women could not think for themselves, lacked intelligence and could not hold intellectual doctrinal discourse, read the writings of Tertullian on the matter. @bolded, I disagree entirely ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MuttleyLaff: 9:11pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Sarassin:Are you familiar with the person or name, Priscilla? |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 9:33pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Yes I am |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 9:47pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Correct. But again, there are two kinds of fasting, A declared Fasting and Inspired Fasting. There are all in the Bible. The one the Muslims do is the declared fasting, while the one you do and don't let anyone know is an inspired fasting butterflyl1on:Let Sex take place via consent during fasting? Then the clause 'Except' is useless. This is my understanding of that clause 'Except'. Remember, this is to check immorality, hence, sex should be done regularly, BUT, when fasting and praying, a man and his wife should agree to abstain for that period. The consent there means, the woman should not by herself decide to fast without considering the feelings of her husband and vise vaser. If we are agreeing to fast for 3 days, then for those three days, we should abstain, this is my understanding of Except in that passage. If you say 'Except' means, we can have sex as long as we seek each others conscent to do it, will then mean, all the while couples have sex, they she seek each others conscent before they do it. It doesn't make sense. butterflyl1on:Then the Clause 'Except' is useless in that verse. It says have sex always, but when fasting and praying, do not. That's the only way that Except there will make any meaning. Ordinarily, couples can not say no to each other, the only time that can happen is when they fast and pray. butterflyl1on:What are you even saying? Let's take that passage again. Good News Translation 1 Corinthians 7:1-6 1. Now, to deal with the matters you wrote about. A man does well not to marry. 2. But because there is so much immorality, every man should have his own wife, and every woman should have her own husband. 3. A man should fulfill his duty as a husband, and a woman should fulfill her duty as a wife, and each should satisfy the other's needs. 4. A wife is not the master of her own body, but her husband is; in the same way a husband is not the master of his own body, but his wife is. 5. Do not deny yourselves to each other, 'unless' you first agree to do so for a while in order to spend your time in prayer; but [b]then resume[/b]normal marital relations.In this way you will be kept from giving in to Satan's temptation because of your lack of self-control. I tell you this not as an order, but simply as a permission. This pasage says, sex should be done always, it shd not be denied unless, when fasting and praying. The Word Resume means, sex gets suspended for a time. butterflyl1on: Yes, a man and his wife becomes one flesh in sex, and the foundation is solid when that happens, but that is not the issue here. The issue here is WHY DO WE HAVE TO ABSTAIN FROM SEX DURING FASTING PERIOD? |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 9:48pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:How did your day go, sir? |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MuttleyLaff: 9:50pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Sarassin:What of Apollos? |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MuttleyLaff: 9:53pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Day went well Ma'am. I am now just lounging on my chaise trying to unwind Trust yours went well. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 10:14pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Uhm..yeah |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 10:53pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
. . Something that if a human being does we'd regard them as suffering from one form of mania or the other. If you know the meaning of what you just wrote you will know that you have automatically said that your God is loveless. While love does not mean lawlessness, it also doesn't mean dictatorship. Mujtahida:The World has sown the Whirlwind, in rebellion, hence, the consequences. No one has the right to complain at all, for even here right now, men still reject a gentle kind saviour who did no wrong. Who lived all His life helping the poor. Why did He do to be hated so? Yet, when there's calamity, the blame is heaped on him. With regards to the Adam you mentioned, here... 1Cor 15:21-22 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Christ is here with a new life, why remain dead in Adam, except it's a deliberate will choice(?). Mujtahida:How do people even reason sef? A fiction created in a book you just quoted to proof a point. The Jehovah whom you just concurred with can be kown only from that fictional book. Well, here is what is writen in the fictiinal book which you quoted to exonerate yourself; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Romans:3:10 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Romans:3:11 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans:3:12 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Romans:3:13 Just like, 1Cor 15:21-22 says, Adam brought death, but Christ has brought Life. What you choose is what you'll have. Don't for a day think you can escape. lol. Mujtahida:Yes, He rules on decrees, what can you do about it? If you don't like it, you can take a hike. This is His earth. And He reigns supreme over His territory. He does as He pleases, only as He pleases. If you have what it takes, wait, very soon you shall die, then can stand before Him and wag your little finger on His face demanding explanations, if you can access His presence. Mujtahida:No, we are not like the other men. We are different. We a called out people. A peculiar people, a royal priesthood, a chosen Generation. A Holy Nation. The light of the World, the Salt of the earth. The Undead. The unkillables. We are above death. We are little gods. Shining as stars in the midst of a dark and a perverse world. We carry God in us, they don't. We will one day sit as Kings and Priests and reign on the earth with Christ, they wouldn't. We have a God who is both our father, and our friend at the same time, they don't. How are we the same? |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by butterflyl1on: 11:01pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Sigh. Paul began this issue from 1st Corinthians 6 from verse 12 and continued it in chapter 7. He first laid a foundation to the issue. Read it from chapter 6 verse 12 and then continue on chapter 7. I am sure you would understand it better. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 11:05pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Mujtahida:The World has sown the Whirlwind, in rebellion, hence, the consequences. No one has the right to complain at all, for even here right now, men still reject a gentle kind saviour who did no wrong. Who lived all His life helping the poor. Why did He do to be hated so? Yet, when there's calamity, the blame is heaped on him. With regards to the Adam you mentioned, here... 1Cor 15:21-22 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Christ is here with a new life, why remain dead in Adam, except it's a deliberate will choice(?). Mujtahida:How do people even reason sef? A fiction created in a book you just quoted to proof a point. The Jehovah whom you just concurred with can be kown only from that fictional book. Well, here is what is writen in the fictiinal book which you quoted to exonerate yourself; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Romans:3:10 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Romans:3:11 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans:3:12 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Romans:3:13 Just like, 1Cor 15:21-22 says, Adam brought death, but Christ has brought Life. What you choose is what you'll have. Don't for a day think you can escape. lol. Mujtahida:Yes, He rules on decrees, what can you do about it? If you don't like it, you can take a hike. This is His earth. And He reigns supreme over His territory. He does as He pleases, only as He pleases. If you have what it takes, wait, very soon you shall die, then can stand before Him and wag your little finger on His face demanding explanations, if you can access His presence. Mujtahida:No, we are not like the other men. We are different. We a called out people. A peculiar people, a royal priesthood, a chosen Generation. A Holy Nation. The light of the World, the Salt of the earth. The Undead. The unkillables. We are above death. We are little gods. Shining as stars in the midst of a dark and a perverse world. We carry God in us, they don't. We will one day sit as Kings and Priests and reign on the earth with Christ, they wouldn't. We have a God who is both our father, and our friend at the same time, they don't. How are we the same? |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 11:10pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I already know all except the homosexual couples. You said, sex in marriage is not just sex but love making, as no one outside marriage can make love, hence; i asked if Homosexuals are in marriage or not. If they are, doesn't that imply that they too are making love? But, you said No. Meaning, they are not married abi? |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 11:12pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:I have sir, and says what i stand for. Sex is good. Nothing sinful about it, but during Fasting and prayers abstain, but resume immediately after it. |
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