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Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 11:14pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Yeah. Bonding with the kids. Great time looking into their eyes and seeing trust and hope. They know they are loved. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by butterflyl1on: 11:27pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Your topic is on fasting and prayer but the scriptures focus on PRAYER and not fasting. Also, right from 1st Corinthians chapter 6:12 Paul laid a foundation against sexual immorality. He then went on to tackle the main question he was asked based on the foundation he laid which was against sexual immorality. He said the only time a man and his wife should PERHAPS abstain (that word PERHAPS) shows Paul was speaking as an advice and not as a command and not based on what the spirit of God ministered to him but based on his own observations. This is confirmed in verse 6 of chapter 7 where Paul said and I quote 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. He then went further to separate Gods command from his own advice below . |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 11:30pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Sarassin:The Letter was addressed to the Corinthian belivers who weren't so patriachial as a result of their allegiance to female deities, unlike the Jews who knew YHWH as male only. @bolded, i also disagree with you entirely. Paul was solving a case of disorderliness in the church. He was setting up rules how the church setting should be run. If this is about orderliness, it then follows that women were causing disorderliness, hence; needed to be tamed and kept in control. If you say women were considered less humans by even the Apostles, you'd have to explain why the Holy Spirit was given to them in the same measure which was given to the men. Or was He given to the men only? |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 11:30pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:They are. lol. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 11:33pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Sarassin:If i had any prior clue with regards to fasting being melting or fusing into God, i'd believe it was my thought. But, i never thought of fasting as anything other than subduing the flesh to energize the Spirit. So, yeah. the holy Spirit gave me that insight. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 11:36pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
FlipGamBino:Why not have it during fasting? I believe sex in its entirety is Spiritual. You and i are on the same side. But, why not have it during fasting is my querry. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by FlipGamBino: 11:51pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Emmanystone: If it wasn't your post we wouldn't be having a conversation at all....all i did was click quote. You needn't respond. I really wasn't expecting any. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MizMyColi(f): 12:04am On Feb 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Hehehehehehheehheheheehehehe ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I didn't even know you mentioned me sef. I actually followed L oJ here, and I just felt like sounding mischievous. So, how'd I do? ![]() |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MizMyColi(f): 12:06am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: ![]() Mbanu. I don't agree. Sex can't be spiritual in it's entirety. Pray tell, is moaning spiritual? ![]() |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by FlipGamBino: 12:09am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: As we can agree we are on the same side with regards sex and spirituality I will quote from the scripture...."All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient". Questioning its morality within or without fasting periods is something i personally do not agree with. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MizMyColi(f): 12:11am On Feb 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: I'm just passing by. ![]() |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 12:13am On Feb 28, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:My topic is not on Fasting and prayer sir. My topic is on' Why couples shd abstain from sex during fasting period. They can do it during just prayers, but during fasting, No. Why? The Scripture says, the only time couples can deny each other sex is 'except or unless' they had agreed to engage in a fast after which, they should resume. Sir, i didn't see PERHAPS in that verse, i saw 'Unless or except.' |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 12:15am On Feb 28, 2018 |
FlipGamBino:Listen, we are enjoined to question our believes so that we can know to give answers to those who will want to challenge what we believe and why. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 12:20am On Feb 28, 2018 |
MizMyColi:Hahahahahahahaha. Kai. You just said exactly what my friend said. She even went further to demonstrate a doggy asking if that too was spiritual. She asked what was spiritual about kissing and her husband sucking her breast. Laf wan kee me. My sis. Everything about Sex is Spiritual. That we enjoy it and moan doesn't make it sinful. No. God intends that we enjoy it, that's the only way we can keep doing it to fulfill his commandment, 'Go into the world and multiply'. lolzzzzzzzzzzzz. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 12:21am On Feb 28, 2018 |
FlipGamBino:I still responded anyway. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 12:24am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Soteriahascome:Finally i find one person who agrees |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 12:26am On Feb 28, 2018 |
MizMyColi:This is so not correct, at least from the stand point of the scriptures. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 12:29am On Feb 28, 2018 |
LoJ:Who is FlipGambino pls? Never saw the Moniker. Well, am bad at noting monikers. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 12:33am On Feb 28, 2018 |
LoJ:Can i come? But i won't drink. SarassinMia Caro, can we go? ![]() |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 12:34am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Sarassin:Now, i'm sad. You didn't invite me. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 12:50am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Allegiance and worship of a female deity did not alter the patriarchal nature of first century Roman Empire and lest we forget even the worship of Asherah persisted in the Jerusalem Temple well into the First century, the Jews were no less patriarchal. In any event, early church members were mainly Greek speaking Jews in diaspora. It was not disorderliness that lead to Paul commanding women to keep shtum in Church, this command was drawn from prevailing societal attitudes of the day, as you may or may not know amongst other things a Jewish woman may not address another man in public unless she was with her husband or her father. Early Christian writings tell us that women were considered emotional, unreasonable and given to flights of fancy that made them unsuitable for elevated positions. The fact that women received the Holy ghost or Spirit is rather irrelevant, we are talking about societal norms and not spiritual largesse. The disorderliness that you refer to was more about sundry issues within the church, for instance in one Church (I cannot remember which one at the moment) fights would break out at feast times because by the time working church members arrived at church after work, those who were jobless and sitting around in the church all day would have feasted and drank heavily leaving those who actually went out to work with nothing to eat, it was such sundry issues like these that Paul dealt with. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MizMyColi(f): 12:52am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Ehn. We are saying same same nau. All I was trying to say in that mischief post is that everything should not always be viewed with this lens of spirikoko, you get? I think that there's some physical aspect to sex. In fact, it is even the physical that helps us connect to the spiritual. But seriously, maybe if I practice tantra, then I can be concerned about the spirituality of sex. As for me, na the unspeakable enjoyment na him my brain dey reason. Wait, sometimes, it's like the brain is turned off. Gosh. Let me coman go to school abeg. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Nobody: 12:52am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Of course you're invited, anywhere I go, you go...simples ![]() ![]() |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MizMyColi(f): 12:52am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: ![]() |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by butterflyl1on: 5:58am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: You keep missing what is right in front of you. Let me post the scripture. Please note the part in bold. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Paul said clearly there that what he is saying is not a command but a concession. A concession is simply a grant given based on a demand. In other words he is saying that it is up to the wife or the husband to grant this concession because both of them have mutual authority over their bodies (as stated in verse 4 of the same chapter 7). His words were a personal advice. He even went further to wish everyone was celibate like him. Paul was simply passing on a personal advice to them. |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by OkCornel(m): 8:12am On Feb 28, 2018 |
How can sex in marriage be carnal when God told man to be fruitful and multiply? Abi are you all thinking God is Spiritual but gives carnal instructions? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by OkCornel(m): 8:15am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Sarassin: In all the letters Paul wrote to the various churches...did he tell all of the ladies in all these churches to keep shut? Or was he addressing a specific controversy brewing in a particular church (Corinthians I think) which led him to include it in one of the epistles to that church? 2 Likes |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by MuttleyLaff: 8:26am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Sarassin: Emmanystone:Emmanystone Bravo! Encore! Standing ovation ".. tamed and kept in control" is bit too strong and OTT to use though Let a woman learn with a quiet spirit, and submissively. - 1 Timothy 2:11 Sarassin I believe Emmanystone has shed light on 1 Corinthians 14:34 so mine will be on 1 Timothy 2:11 above The greek word used up there in 1 Timothy 2:11, is "hesuchia" and this term "hesuchia" doesn't mean speechlessness but alludes to a situation in which people arent protesting or arguing No noise, no stirring agitation... Now lets recognise that the above verse is from a particular letter, Paul wrote to Timothy, and this letter actually started at 1 Timothy 1 and not from 1 Timothy 2 Paul began 1 Timothy 1, by first reminding Timothy of how he told Timothy to stay at Ephesus To stay there, so Timothy can stop men teaching strange doctrines (i.e. false teaching) Fast forward 1 Timothy 1, to 1 Timothy 2, things have gone from bad to worse This due to the influence of goddess, known as Artemis of the Ephesians, Same goddess which is that prominent enough, to be actually mentioned, at least 5 times, in Acts 19 Paul is thwarting the influence of the goddess, known as Artemis of the Ephesians on women and stopping any platform that promotes and/or spreads her false teaching(s) It's so true this line, paraphrasing one of budaatum's posits: The things that you're liable to read and thought you've understood in the Bible - it ain't necessarily so So Sarassin, its not what you thought Paul said or meant about women 1 Like |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by Emmanystone: 8:30am On Feb 28, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Meaning, if i want to fast all by myself without my husband being part of it, we ought to agree to abstain for the number of days i decide to fast, but if he refuses (meaning, he would demand for his right), then no fasting for me. That passage doesn't say we can agree to have sex while we fast. What sense will it make? Ordinarily, we don't need to discuss if we shd or shd not have sex, why shd we discuss it during fasting if we are free to do it? Should we agree that, during fasting we shd do only at nights or in the morning before heading out? Questiin is, how were we doing it before? |
Re: Is Sex In Marriage Carnal? by butterflyl1on: 8:30am On Feb 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Sarassins 3rd eye did not see what needed to be seen in that scripture ![]() 1 Like
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