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DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 10:24am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Well, Folks, here we are, and we will be looking into what Mujtahida and his ilk terms Contractions, outright Lies, Historical untruths and absurdities in the Bible. Fasten your seat belts folks and grab your Bibles or whatever is it you need to do justice to this topic. Calling Sir Muttleylaff, Butterflyl1on, Ronpet777, Sarassin, FlipGamBino, Soteriahascome, OkCornel Guys, pls help me send out invites to capable hands. Blessings. Note: PLE POST YOUR TEXT OUT AND POINT OUT THE CONTRADICTIONS AND LIES. Don't just quote and make us open our Bibles before commenting. Anyone who comes in here with insults shd pls be totally ignored. Thanks. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by hopefulLandlord: 10:33am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Matt 27: 1-7 says Judas bought the land he was buried in while acts 1: 16-18 says the priests bought it. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 10:35am On Feb 28, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Is that a lie or contradiction? Pls post your thought. If you see it as a lie, say it. Thanks. And, pls don't just quote without posting the passages, then point out the contradictions in the passage. Here is Matt 24:1-8 Good News Translation Matthew 27:3-8 The Death of Judas When Judas, the traitor, learned that Jesus had been condemned, he repented and took back the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. “I have sinned by betraying an innocent man to death!” he said. “What do we care about that?” they answered. “That is your business!” Judas threw the coins down in the Temple and left; then he went off and hanged himself. The chief priests picked up the coins and said, “This is blood money, and it is against our Law to put it in the Temple treasury.” After reaching an agreement about it, they used the money to buy Potter's Field, as a cemetery for foreigners. That is why that field is called “Field of Blood” to this very day. Here is Act 1:16-18 Good News Translation Acts 1:16 “My friends,” he said, “the scripture had to come true in which the Holy Spirit, speaking through David, made a prediction about Judas, who was the guide for those who arrested Jesus. Acts 1:17-18 Judas was a member of our group, for he had been chosen to have a part in our work.” (With the money that Judas got for his evil act he bought a field, where he fell to his death; he burst open and all his insides spilled out. Bro Hope. The message these verse intends to pass across is that, the money he got from that transaction bought him a burial place. For, a man needs to first die before a place of burial will be determined. Remember he repented, took the money back, the Chief priest considered the money blood money, hence; rejected it. He didn't want it either, because he knew it was cursed money. Did he then took the money to buy a piece of land foe his burial, before coming to cast it at the temple? No. Judah, never plan on dying, hence, he didn't make plans for his burial, but, he hung himself and brought the issue of his remains being buried. The focus is on the money he made and how it was used, in consonance with the early prophecy about that, not on who bought the field were he was buried. 2 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by hopefulLandlord: 10:37am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone:contradiction of course 1 Like |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Humanistme: 10:45am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Exodus 20:5 ESV / You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, Ezekiel 18:20 ESV The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. these two verses contradict each other. does YAHWEH visit iniquity of the fathers on the children or not 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by hopefulLandlord: 11:00am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: This sermon is highly unnecessary and this hermeneutics doesn't solve the contradiction one bit Did Judas buy the potters field or the priests? If I throw a money at you and tell you to do whatever you want with it and you use it to buy Methamphetamine. did I buy the Meth or you? All Judas did was concede ownership of the money in acts while Mathew said he bought a land with the money. there's obviously an unreconcilable contradiction there 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Humanistme: 11:06am On Feb 28, 2018 |
myth/lie in the bible genesis 30:39 And when they mated in front of the white-streaked branches, they gave birth to young that were streaked, speckled, and spotted. this is not how genetics work. 6 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 11:17am On Feb 28, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Yes, you inadvertently and indirectly did, albeit it's the person you threw money at who directly used your money thrown at him/her to buy it There is this beautiful young but alcoholic lady I usually come across. Every time I see her, she most of times is holding an alcohol can, drunk as a skunk if not tipsy. She asks me for money, but I decline because I know, no sooner the money is going on, to buy booze and that will be me, inadvertently and/or indirectly buying that booze for her 6 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by hopefulLandlord: 11:24am On Feb 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: This is highly illogical, of course I "indirectly did" just like my $5 bill dropping from my pocket unknown to me probably bought a meal for someone that morning but it doesn't in anyway solve the contradiction I'm pointing and the only way it can solve it is if Judas, when asked what he wanted them to do with the money, said "Buy me the potter's field with it" He totally relinquished ownership of the money in one account and in another account its said that he bought something with it and even killed himself on it 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 11:26am On Feb 28, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:It isn't old friend, try this for size then: How did God harden Pharaoh's heart then? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 11:29am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Humanistme:No sir. Let me clear you up. In the past YHWH dealt with Nations, whole families, with their kings, leaders and Father's as representatives of the people. Kings, leaders and fathers, gets to stand and pass down info to those under them, meaning, if the king, leader or father worshipps idols, those under them will do so, hence;the judgement which goes to the kings, leaders and heads of families, goes to their subjects. We see this in Genesis, when the Israelites as a Nation were almost destroyed for rebellion, but Moses prevailed over YHWH. We also see it in Numbers 16;18 where Dathan, Korah and Abiram revolted against Moses, them as the heads of their families and their entire households were swallowed up by the earth. Again, we see YHWH bringing Judgement against the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, and we see Abraham, prevailing over YHWH, if there were up to 10 innocent men in there, those cities wld ve been saved. Again, we see it in Ezekiel as YHWH brought swift Judgement on the entire population because of the sins of few men. In Ezekiel 11:13, again, we see Ezekiel prevailing over YHWH in behalf of the people. Then in Chapter 18 where you quoted, the Lors was entreated and decided 'fine, i will no lnger bring Judgment on all becos of what others have done'. The soul that sins let that soul die the dead. In Luke 18:3, we also see a Judge who was b Pressed down into doing what he didn't want to do, but changed his mind because he was entreated and importuned upon. What does this tell us? We can entreat the Lord and make Him change His mind, when we intercede for others. THE LORD CHANGES HIS MIND FROM destroying us when we repent. That's love if you ask me. 3 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by hopefulLandlord: 11:29am On Feb 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: I don't see how this is pertinent to this discussion 6 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Humanistme: 11:30am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV) For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. James 2:24 New International Version (NIV) You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. is it by faith alone or by faith and works? welcome to contradiction number3 12 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 11:33am On Feb 28, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Fair dos |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by butterflyl1on: 11:34am On Feb 28, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: He never relinquished the money because those he cast them at REJECTED IT. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 11:35am On Feb 28, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:@ the bolded, you just answered your question by yourself. You seem to be asking for the individual who negotiated the price for the piece of land, not who consented to it. Did Judas, pay for the land before hanging himself? No. He threw the blood money back at the Priests, what they decided to do with the money involved Judah whether or not he approved of it. What does that say? It's not about WHO PAID FOR THE land, but the money and what it was used for. 2 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 11:39am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Humanistme:Hahahahahahahahaha. Pls, guy, carry your mundane mind and shift. The laws of Physics or natural laws hardly apply with God. Can you explain how tasteless, colourless and odourless water can be turned into wine, or how a girl who had never had sex will get pregnant and have a child? And pls, don't tell me you don't believe these things happened, if that's the case, you'd better not comment. 1 Like |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Humanistme: 11:40am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: I guess his word isn't everlasting then. if he is omniscient, why does he change his mind. why didn't he realise punishing generations for the sin of one man is not fair he had to wait for a mortal man to remind him. I see no love in Yahweh tho. punishing others for the sins of one person is wickedness /tyranny. I mean he is omnipotent he can punish the sinner without the innocents. 5 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 11:42am On Feb 28, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Judas blood money bought him a piece of land for burial. This is what Acts 1-18 says, sir 2 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by hopefulLandlord: 11:45am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: No it doesn't! I intentionally gave you guys that analogy cuz I wanted you to hang on to something at least If I throw a money at you and you ask me what I want you to do with it and I said its yours, you can do whatever you want with it. from that moment on the money seizes to be mine and whatever you do with it does not involve me at all, at least not in the way those contradictory verses I'm pointing out is One account said "HE BOUGHT A FIELD WITH THE MONEY AND HUNG HIMSELF" another said he threw the money at the priests and they didn't want to add it to the treasury so THEY bought a land with the money Both verses are clear and explicit 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Humanistme: 11:45am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Emmanystone: those things didn't happen. also virgin birth is a popular myth in many ancient cultures. 8 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by butterflyl1on: 11:49am On Feb 28, 2018 |
Humanistme: Ephesians 2:8-9 was talking about what Jesus did TO US. His grace saved us through our belief in him and not our works. It is different from what James is saying. Ephesians talks about God to man while James talks about Man living the God standard for righteousness. James 2 teaches on the kind of righteousness we are to have. This is the definition of Righteousness (FAITH WITH WORKS) and not works alone (self righteousness) or faith alone (hypocrisy) Our works based on faith in God makes us righteous. There is no contradiction there 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Humanistme: 11:51am On Feb 28, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: okay 1 Like |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by butterflyl1on: 11:52am On Feb 28, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: And what money was used to buy the field? Was it not money already given to Judas which he accepted as payment for betraying Jesus? His money bought the field so it does not matter who paid for it. The object of focus there is his money. 5 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by butterflyl1on: 12:04pm On Feb 28, 2018 |
Humanistme: It is how epigenetics works. Environmental factors such as trauma, stress what we see and experience have been known to activate epigenetic changes. This is scientifically proven. Epigenetic changes are biological markers on DNA that modify gene expression without altering the underlying sequence. In other words, it can change skin colour, body markings but not the physical structure itself. 2 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 12:10pm On Feb 28, 2018 |
Abeg abeg abeg... First things first...if you all are discussing contradictions in the Bible...bear in mind that God did not come down from Heaven to write the Bible in English... First of all, what we know as the Old Testament portion of the bible was written in Hebrew and Aramaic, while the New Testament was written in Greek, Hebrew. Bear in mind that these were subsequently translated into Latin and later on into English. In between this translation process... also bear in mind that the process did not involve the use of a google translator, rather it was a manual and pain staking process of having to rewrite the entire scriptures by ink and scrolls and as such errors would be unavoidable in the process... Starting this process by using the English Bible (preferably KJV or 1599 Geneva translation) is even a faulty foundation to start with... The original context and content of the scriptures is to an extent lost in between all these translation errors... Even worse off are the subsequent translations of the English Bible into NIV and other translations...with further verses being diluted out of context all in a bid to "help the reader understand better" Ever wondered why the Koran is preferably maintained in its Arabic format? If you want to play game of contradictions...I've got tonnes of verses for everyone to feast on. The best way out of this is to get the original writings of the Bible in Hebrew and Greek...and translate them DIRECTLY to English... I think we have the privilege of google translator to help us here... 3 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Humanistme: 12:10pm On Feb 28, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: mating in front of streaked branches traumatized the sheep. okay. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Humanistme: 12:14pm On Feb 28, 2018 |
OkCornel: you are right. that is why every story in the bible shouldn't be completely believed as it is prone to human errors. after all is written by flawed humans at a different time and civilization yet you have people in 21st century that treat it as infallible. 1 Like |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by butterflyl1on: 12:18pm On Feb 28, 2018 |
Humanistme: I didn't say it traumatised them. Was that the only thing you saw there? I said, Environmental factors such as trauma, stress, what we see and experience have been known to activate epigenetic changes. This is scientifically proven. Why then did you pick only trauma? 2 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 12:19pm On Feb 28, 2018 |
Humanistme:Hahahahahahahahaha. Pay very close attention. There are two kinds of works here. Work 1. Good News Translation Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith[/b]. It is not the result next dayb]your own efforts[/b], but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it. Note the bolded. This is about Salvation. What do you do to gain Salvation. As like asking, 'What part did you play in coming into this world, as a male, or from the race you are from, what effort did you put into being able to fall asleep and wake up the next day? If you say, you induced yourself to sleep, what did you use to wake up? Salvation is a gift. No effort of urs is in it. Work No. 2. You should have read from top to down, not pick out a solitary verse and make it stand alone, thereby meaning what you mean it to mean. Here let's see from verse 14 down. James 2:14-18 Faith and Actions 14. My friends, what good is it for one of you to say that you have faith if your actions do not prove it? Can that faith save you? 15. Suppose there are brothers or sisters who need clothes and don't have enough to eat. What good is there in your saying to them, “God bless you! Keep warm and eat well!”—if you don't give them the necessities of life? So it is with faith: if it is alone and includes no actions, then it is dead. But someone will say, “One person has faith, another has actions.” My answer is, “Show me how anyone can have faith without actions. I will show you my faith by my actions.” James 2:24 You see, then, that it is by our actions that we are put right with God, and not by our faith alone. Putting right with God here means pleasing God. The bone is in verse 15. As a Believer, i have faith, that God will provide for me or my brother, but i also know that it is from what i do, (Labour), that God will bless me., But i sit at home praying for doors to open or for God to throw down money from heaven, No. It doesn't work like that. We have to work. Give to others for that pleases God This Faith accompanies me doing something to earnd a living and also give to those who don't have. I know that God is a provider, and he has provided for me from what i laid my hands on (For He promised to prosper what i lay my hands on), not empty hand. Then a brother or sister who is hungry and naked comes to me,( Yes i know God can provide for him/her too), but i refuse to take any action of giving him something to eat or wear, i don't have faith. Meaning i love God who love this brother, so won't please Him. There are different kinds of faith. There's the Seeing Faith. The Doing faith, The speaking faith The believing faith, and all of these places a responsibility on us. When we see God do, we as little gods, we ought also to do to others. This is earthly (meaning) towards man, 'us' this is what it takes for us to function and interact with each other drawing from God. But, doing all the above won't give you salvation. Salvation is free. 2 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 12:20pm On Feb 28, 2018 |
Humanistme: I am not invalidating the Bible, what I mentioned is that with the English Bible as it is, there is a mixture of truth and errors... Thankfully, when you have the Spirit of Truth working in you, you can separate the truth from errors... "The Letter killeth...but the Spirit giveth life" If one's mind is closed to reading the English Bible alone without doing an in-depth research to corroborate what is written in it...then, I am really sorry for such a person... When often I argue my position on a matter in the Bible, I try as much as possible to back it up with historical and archaeological evidences outside of the Bible... I also consider other ancient literatures to corroborate my claims... 1 Like |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 12:22pm On Feb 28, 2018 |
Humanistme:Oh well, we can grumble and be dissatisfied at how He decides to reign and rule over His earth, but that is all we can do, nothing else. That is what it means to be Sovereign. 1 Like 1 Share |
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