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Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Nobody: 6:49pm On Mar 16, 2018 |
9inches:paul quoted the new testament and called it scriptures. I don't know what you are talking about. |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 4:13am On Mar 17, 2018 |
brocab:One never could "buy" indulgences. The financial scandal surrounding indulgences, the scandal that gave Martin Luther an excuse for his heterodoxy, involved alms—indulgences in which the giving of alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the occasion to grant the indulgence. There was no outright selling of indulgences. brocab: I have already shown you how to search for any question on Catholic teachings. Everything you need to know is there. 1. https://www.catholic.com/ 2. http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpdUZ3kWjM8
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Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 7:52am On Mar 17, 2018 |
solite3: Of course, Paul quoted Luke (1 Timothy 5:18); about 13 books of the New Testament, including Luke, have been written before Paul's letter to Timothy. 9inches:It's not confusing at all. 1. The Holy Scripture is literally the Sacred Scripture. 2. In 2 Timothy 3:14-15, verse 14 is different from verse 15. (a) 2 Tim 3:14 - "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom[a] you learned it". He was pressing Timothy to continue what he had learned and firmly believed about Christ, knowing he learned it from credible people like Paul. (b) 2 Tim 3:15 - "and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus." |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 9:06am On Mar 17, 2018 |
solite3: Of course, Paul quoted Luke (1 Timothy 5:18); about 13 books of the New Testament, including Luke, have been written before Paul's letter to Timothy. 9inches:It's not confusing at all. 1. The Holy Scripture is literally the Sacred Scripture. 2. In 2 Timothy 3:14-15, verse 14 is different from verse 15. (a) 2 Tim 3:14 - "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom[a] you learned it". He was pressing Timothy to continue what he had learned and firmly believed about Christ (essentially the New Testament), knowing he learned it from credible people like Paul. (b) 2 Tim 3:15 - "and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus." Paul reminded him of his training from childhood on the sacred scriptures. |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Nobody: 10:08am On Mar 17, 2018 |
[quote author=9inches post=65906897]Look at your words,
Now the question is was it only the old testament that Paul refers to as scriptures? 1. The Holy Scripture is literally the Sacred Scripture.was Paul teaching human tradition or the word of God? Was Paul's teachings not inspired by the holy Spirit ?or is Paul writing not sacred? If I said all humans have two feet, Am I referring only to humans that I have seen or both the one I have seen, the ones I have not seen and even the ones yet to be born? b) 2 Tim 3:15 - "and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus."this your silly argument self. Paul didn't tell you which scripture he only said timothy had known the scriptures. paul's statement is All Scriptures are inspired by God and can bring perfection. Take this statement for example "All vectors obey the parallelogram law". Does this statement imply only the vectors that have been discovered or All vectors including the ones that would bw discovered in future. |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by shadeyinka(m): 10:18am On Mar 17, 2018 |
Catholics believe in the Gift o' the holy spirit, I am one and I think you've been wrongly informed...you need to enlighten yourself a bit more. I can attend any church that preaches the word of God through the holy spirit and not to satisfy man...the only real advantage of being a catholic is you develop your spirituality yourself and the probability o' going church to church is slimmer. . .christianity is one.The only problem other Christians have with the Catholic Church are some of the scripturally unsupported traditions such as 1. Veneration of Mary 2. Veneration of the Saints 3. Bowing/Worshiping before Images 4. Lack of Emphasis on "Being Born Again" as a perquisite for Salvation instead, being a faithful member of the Catholic church is preached 5. Forced Celibacy of the Priesthood etc Most of these traditions cannot be traced to either Jesus or His direct Apostles. |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Dnaz(m): 11:35am On Mar 17, 2018 |
shadeyinka:Nothing like forced celibacy and born again means baptism not Alter calls And for the others we don't care if its scriptural or not. The Holy spirit will not lead the church into error. The gates of hell will never prevail |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by shadeyinka(m): 12:09pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
Dnaz: Forced celibacy in the sense that to become a priest, you have to be celibate. Can a married man become a Catholic priest? Born Again is NOT baptism! To be Born Again is to "specifically" come to Jesus for the Salvation of ones Soul through Christ's sacrifice on the Cross. The Thief on the Right hand of Christ on the Cross was Born Again BUT was not Baptized. A person doesn't get born again through Alter Calls: but through this person asking Christ Jesus "I know that I am a sinner...write my name in the Book of life. I promise to live the rest of my life for You.." Baptism is a public confession before the church of Christ as a testament that you will follow Him and such live a new life. With the heart, a man believes but with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Jesus said "How much more your Father in Heaven who will give the Holy Spirit to them who ASK of Him" At salvation, you are given the Seal of God: the Holy Spirit. Baptism is not Salvation (Born Again) The Holy Spirit will not lead the church into error but are we sure some of these traditions are from Him? |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Dnaz(m): 3:13pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
shadeyinka:Born again is to be born of water and spirit. Which is baptism . this is the reason Christ was baptised to show us we must start our Christains life with baptism. That is the reason Christ told the disciples to baptise everyone who believes in the name of the Trinity, he did not tell them " tell them to ask me into their lives with their mouth" the disciples didn't teach that nonsense either and the tradition of the Apostles was to baptise after repentance. That is the faith of the Church that is the faith of the Apostles and so we believe in baptism as the beginning of our Christains Journey. Christ promised that the gates of hell will not prevail over his church and that he ll be with us until the end of time. We rest our faith on that and the Bible says that the Church not the bible is the pillar and bulwark of truth. 1tim 3:15 |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by shadeyinka(m): 5:03pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
Dnaz:You seem not to know what the Church of God is. The church is not a denomination or a system of organisation of Christians. The church is the assembly of those who are saved by the Blood of Christ. Remember what Jesus said: "wherever two or more of you shall gather, there I will be". Roman Catholic church is just ONE of the denominations within the Church of Christ. BTW, I know several Catholics who are born again (in the proper sense). A catholic getting Born Again doesn't have to leave the Catholic church unless he is convinced otherwise. If the thief on the right hand of Jesus is Born Again, what do you think being born of the water and the Spirit mean? The Bible says, " grieve not the Holy Spirit, by whom you are sealed till the day of redemption.". Can you show me how to receive the Holy Spirit as a seal through Baptism? Jesus said "How much more your heavenly Father who will give the Holy Spirit to them who ASK of Him". Salvation is by asking not doing. Jesus was baptized (with the baptism of Repentance of John) to fulfill all righteousness. By grace you have been saved through faith (not baptism), it is not of your selves...not of works (baptism is works) so that no man shall boast. Jesus explained how to be born again by tieing it with the serpent in the wilderness: do you understand Jesus message? |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Nobody: 9:34pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
Dnaz:the spirit of error is leading roman catholic LovePeddler of a church. Stop making mockery of Jesus words. |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Dnaz(m): 9:40pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
shadeyinka:Born again is baptism Baptism is received through faith and not of works Jesus Explained that to be born again is to be born of water and spirit. The thief in the Cross only asked for forgiveness and was forgiven. How he is saved without baptism is left for God. But Baptism saves u as the Bible Clearly says in Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 1 Peter 3:21 All the Apostles did baptise even Paul, he. Didn't call it works but understood what it meant to be baptised into Christ. If Baptism was works, Paul will not Advocate it, Peter will not say it saves us |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Nobody: 9:44pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
shadeyinka:there is nothing like born again catholic or the word bornagain has lost its meaning. If you talk of born again catholic then also talk of born again Moslems, born again Hindu, born again Jehovah witness, bornagain, sabath, bornagain African traditional worshipper, bornagain Buddhist bornagain Rastafarian, bornagain satanist, bornagain luciferian etc Bornagain has suffered. Everybody wants to associate themselves with Christianity but rejects the narrow door. |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Dnaz(m): 9:53pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
solite3:Thank you. We prefer Baptised Catholics, that way we keep it original and distinguish ourselves from Heretics and schismatics |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 2:38am On Mar 18, 2018 |
solite3: solite3: 9inches: solite3: 9inches: solite3:Verses of the bible are interpreted in contextually. So, which verse are you talking about? In 2 Tim 3:14, Timothy is initially exhorted to hold to the oral teachings (the traditions) that he received from apostle Paul. This echoes Paul’s reminder of the value of oral tradition in these previous verses: (1.) 2 Tim 1:13, "Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus." (2.) 2 Tim 2:2, "And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others." So, here in summary of (2 Tim 3:14), Paul refers EXCLUSIVELY to oral teaching and reminds Timothy to follow that as the "pattern" for his own teaching (as in 2 Tim 1:13). Only after this reference to oral teaching is the term Scripture mentioned as "profitable" for Timothy’s ministry. In 2 Tim 3:15 Paul was most specifically referring to the Old Testament. solite3:Answers: Both. It was. It is. Tradition: The reason you accept the books you do is that they were in the Bible someone gave you when you first became a Christian. You accept them because they were handed on to you. This means you accept the canon of the New Testament that you do because of tradition, because tradition is simply what is handed on to us from those who were in the faith before us. So your knowledge of the exact books that belong in the Bible, such as Philemon and 3 John, rests on tradition rather than on Scripture itself! solite3:You're conflating both verses. Verse 15 specifically refers to the old testament. Summary: In 2 Timothy 3:16-17, was Paul laying down a guideline for Timothy to make use of both Scripture and tradition in his ministry. |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:16am On Mar 18, 2018 |
Since it's video's you are seeking, then lets start with a probate between Catholicism and protestant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE915fBzB20 This one is interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngOJoU9aBIg 9inches: |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by shadeyinka(m): 7:14am On Mar 18, 2018 |
solite3: I never said " born again Catholics "! I said I know Catholics who are born again. Just like I know Christians of other denominations who are born again. Are all " Christians " born again? No! "...Not all who say to me Lord! Lord!! Shall enter the kingdom of heaven...". There can never be a Born Again Muslim, Buddhist, etc and certainly, not all who call themselves Christians are born again. |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by shadeyinka(m): 8:06am On Mar 18, 2018 |
Dnaz:Check again! The thief on the cross never asked for forgiveness! He asked "remember me when you get to your kingdom". Which is like asking " write my name in the book of life or make me a candidate of heaven..". And Jesus said, today today, you will be with me in Paradise. The thief was born again simply because he requested/ asked for the free gift of eternal life. Dnaz: Peter knew that some of you will mix this scripture up and that is why he didn't stop at "Baptism, which now saves you" BUT "the answer of a qood conscience to God". What does that mean? It means we are not saved through water baptism but " a Baptism which has nothing to do with water- that produces answer of a good/clean conscience/spirit". Emphasis are mine because I have to beak it down for your understanding. I believe you have heard of "Baptism of the Holy Spirit"..this is what makes us to say to God " Abba Father". This is what makes you born again. Apart from the scripture 1Pt3:21 you quoted (which of course is subject to interpretations,) can you find a similar scripture? Baptism is a rite performed only for the one who is (already) Born Again (who has believed) not the other way round. The Etopian Eunuch and Paul are examples.
Water Baptism is just an outward /physical reflection of what has taken place in the Spirit. I'm I saying Water Baptism is not relevant or important? Certainly NOT! Water baptism is like the Ordinance of the Holy Communion. What saves you is Gods Holy Spirit giving you an answer of a good question because you have believed. Like I said earlier Being Born Again is NOT responding to an alter call. There are several who came out for alter calls that are not born again. Being Born Again is NOT water baptism. Millions have been baptised with water yet on their way to hell. I believe that even the Catholic church Fathers knew this enough to create room for Indulgences, Prayer for the dead, Purgatory etc. If someone is truly Water Baptized, why does he need all these? |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Dnaz(m): 8:37am On Mar 18, 2018 |
shadeyinka:Jesus Clearly said that Born again is to be born of WATER and SPIRIT. U ve decided to Accept the Spirit and throw the water out. U have relegated baptism to Works Something the Apostles and the Church Fathers didn't do. U fell into the error of martin Luther. Paul distinguishes baptism from works and asserts that it partakes in our salvation. he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5 Gods mercy, the washing of regeneration (which is Water baptism) and renewal in the holy spirit( baptism of the Holy spirit) Paul also States the unity we have in Christ when we are baptised into Christ Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4 If baptism was works and why will Paul Advocate it and the Apostles uphold it. Why did Christ include it in the great Commission Once Again. Born again is BAPTISM |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by shadeyinka(m): 9:22am On Mar 18, 2018 |
Dnaz:I asked you a question which you didn't touch...I don't know why? How does a person get born of water? How does a person get born of the spirit? John 3: Explains how to get born again. The key to understanding it is to look at Numbers 21:8- The lesson there is that "If anyone believes in Gods solution" such would not die of snake bite. Jesus said, Just as Moses raised up the Serpent in the Wilderness, so also the Son of Man shall be lifted up..."If anyone believes in Gods solution" (atonement of sin through Christs blood) such would not die of sin nature...but have eternal life (with God). The Bible says: Eph2:8 By grace you have been saved through Faith it is not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast. Let's look at these scriptures you quote Tit3:5So, who saved us through the washing of regeneration? Christ or the Priest/Pastor. Verse 6 actually confirms this. It is the Baptism of Christ (spiritual) not of water If this was Christ washing us, my dear, it is not water baptism Rom6:1- Note: I said, Water Baptism is meant only for those who have received the spiritual Baptism (born again). Except you can find a scripture in discord with this. Hence, the book of Romans 6:1- is speaking of those who were already saved. The bolded will confirm to you that Water baptism isnt what does anything but a testimony before the Church. If you are to recon yourself as dead after baptism, does it not connote that you are not yet dead (to sin) but a symbolic representation of the fact that you should live your life like one dead to sin? Look at the word likeness of His death. Is this not symbolic? Unlike when Paul said "I have been Crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live...yet not I..the life I live in the flesh, I live by faith...". Let me ask you (just common sense) an application of bible doctrine. Let's say I am on a plane flight and I preached to the atheist beside my seat and he believed and said " Lord Jesus, I know that I have been rebellious and far away from you, I believe you died on the cross for my sin..please write my name in the book of life...". If the plane crashes before we reach our destination, will such a man be saved? If he will be saved, does it not negate that "Water Baptism is Salvation/BornAgain?" |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Dnaz(m): 10:00am On Mar 18, 2018 |
shadeyinka:Born of Water and spirit is simply water baptism in the name of the father, son and Holy spirit. That is the ancient faith passed on by the Apostles and preserved by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. Not the these novel ideas that arose in the 19th Century Protestant America Even Jesus was baptised to fulfill all righteousness The Question is Why does he have to fulfill all righteousness? Does it not show that Baptism is the gateway to our righteousness before God and out faith. Christ did not start His ministry withoutwithout being baptised. Even though he was God. He Knee he came as a man and has to be like a man .He humbled himself to be baptised, Why would he do that if not to teach man that we must start our Christain Journey with a Clear conscience before God which baptism does for us by the Cleansing of our original and actual sins(the Washing of regeneration) Indicating it is the gateway to our faith. Between which comes first between Water and Spirit, there is no order. It is as God pleases This is the Faith of the Apostles This is the Faith of the Catholic Church And I ll Choose this ancient original faith to the reformed 19th Century theology |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 10:53am On Mar 18, 2018 |
brocab: James White got destroyed in the debate. Did you notice you can only find this debate on Catholic youtube channels only? The video has disappeared from every single protestant website and their youtube channels. Check out how they all disappeared: 1. https://www.facebook.com/aomin.org/posts/240743046028759 2. https://reformedbaptistdaily./2013/08/09/mariology-mary-debate-james-white-vs-robert-fastiggi/ 3. https://1689reformedbaptist./2013/08/10/james-white-vs-robert-fastiggi-debate-on-the-marian-doctrines/ 4. https://beaconapologetics./2015/08/24/christian-vs-roman-catholic-debate-on-mary-dr-james-white-vs-dr-robert-fastiggi/ 5. https://beaconapologetics./2016/10/17/the-catholic-doctrine-of-mary/ 6. http://gospelliving..qa/2013/05/25-free-debates-featuring-james-white.html "Indulgences Debate" |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by doyinbaby(f): 1:14pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Arguing with a catholic is a good way for a person to vex h is soul......... anyway you still preach to them...,. however dont forget that Jesus said if you are not accepted in a city dust the sole of your shoe.... |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Nobody: 2:41pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
[ quote author=9inches post=65931503]by the way do you even know what tradition mean as used by the bible?. Paul's words are the same as what he wrote down. 2 Corinthians 10:11 Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present. By this you should note that the letters that they wrote is the full description of their actions. In other words their tradition is their letter. So the teaching of the apostles is one both in words or in letter. (1.) 2 Tim 1:13, "Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus."the scripture clearly defines the what the apostles practice and teach. This is a straw man's argument Only after this reference to oral teaching is the term Scripture mentioned as "profitable" for Timothy’s ministry.how did you come to interpret scriptures as old testament? Do think timothy didn't read new testament? Do you know that Timothy's mother and grand mother where Christians? And the Christians already recognise the new testament as scripture? Answers: Both. It was. It is.sorry, Paul never receive human traditions, Galatians 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. What scripture refers to as traditions where nothing but biblical principles. Those who were before me used sola scripture as the basis for faith, who is the roman catholic church to alter it? The scripture is greater than roman catholic church and her popes plus any other heretical organization. Yes those before me follow sola scripture. You're conflating both verses. Verse 15 specifically refers to the old testament.have address 2Tim 3:15, my my originnal posts states 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Dnaz(m): 3:56pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
doyinbaby:We don't argue with Protestants, we teach them There is a lot protties are ignorant of Afterall their religion was born out of Protests. So most of what the believe is reactionary. They seek to take Catholic beliefs and react to them in an opposing way Buy we pray the Holy spirit Guide them back to the Church, for they are prodigal Children 1 Like |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 4:56pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
solite3:Pure heresy! If you recognize Scripture for what it is, you’ll see it wasn’t intended to be an instructional tool for converts. In fact, not one book of the Bible was written for non-believers. The Old Testament books were written for Jews, the New Testament books for people who already were Christians. Most of the epistles were written to local churches that were experiencing moral and/or doctrinal problems. Paul and most of the other New Testament writers sent letters to these local churches (e.g., 1 and 2 Corinthians and Galatians) in order to rectify these problems. There was no attempt on the part of the writers to impart a vast body of basic doctrinal instruction to non-believers nor even to simply summarize everything for the believers who received the letters. This is what protestants fail to realize! YES, Paul's words are the same as what he wrote down. But NO, he did not write all his words down. Now read again what he said to Timothy (2 Thess 2:15) "So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter." Remember, in 2 Tim. 3:14–15, Paul tells Timothy to continue in what he has learned for two reasons: first, because he knows from whom he has learned it (Paul himself) and second, because he has been educated in the scriptures. The first of these is a direct appeal to apostolic tradition, the oral teaching which the apostle Paul had given Timothy. This is where Protestants like you take 2 Timothy 3:16-17 out of context to arrive at the theory of sola scriptura! But when the passage is read in context, it becomes clear that it is teaching the importance of apostolic tradition! The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15). This oral teaching was accepted by Christians, just as they accepted the written teaching that came to them later. Jesus told his disciples: "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me" (Luke 10:16). The Church, in the persons of the apostles, was given the authority to teach by Christ; the Church would be his representative. He commissioned them, saying, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19). And how was this to be done? By preaching, by oral instruction: "So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ" (Rom. 10:17). The Church would always be the living teacher. It is a mistake to limit "Christ’s word" to the written word only or to suggest that all his teachings were reduced to writing. The Bible nowhere supports either notion. Further, it is clear that the oral teaching of Christ would last until the end of time -"’But the word of the Lord abides for ever.’ That word is the good news which was preached to you" (1 Pet. 1:25). Note that the word has been "preached", that is, communicated orally. This would endure. It would not be supplanted by a written record like the Bible (supplemented, yes, but not supplanted), and would continue to have its own authority. This is made clear when the apostle Paul tells Timothy (2 Tim. 2:2), "And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others". Here we see the first few links in the chain of apostolic tradition that has been passed down intact from the apostles to our own day. Paul instructed Timothy to pass on the oral teachings (traditions) that he had received from the apostle. He was to give these to men who would be able to teach others, thus perpetuating the chain. Paul gave this instruction not long before his death (2 Tim. 4:6-8 ) as a reminder to Timothy of how he should conduct his ministry. solite3:Go ahead, refute my argument IF YOU CAN. solite3:Pay attention, it's not about what Timothy or Christians at that time knew. It's about what Paul was emphatically saying. So again, Scripture as mentioned In 2 Tim 3:15 (that is, in that context) most specifically referring to the Old Testament. solite3:You're right! Paul never received human tradition like sola scriptura (introduced in 1517 by Martin Luther). Now pay attention and keep in mind what the Catholic Church means by tradition. The term does not refer to legends or mythological accounts. It does not encompass transitory customs or practices which may change, as circumstances warrant, such as styles of priestly dress, particular forms of devotion to saints, or even liturgical rules in Catholic Church. So the Tradition Paul talks about in the scripture is what we aptly call Sacred or Apostolic tradition. It consists of the teachings that the apostles passed on orally through their preaching. These teachings largely, or perhaps entirely overlap with those contained in Scripture (I already used the word 'Supplemented' above), but the mode of their transmission is different. They have been handed down and entrusted to the Church. It is necessary that Christians believe in and follow this tradition as well as the Bible (Luke 10:16). The truth of the faith has been given primarily to the leaders of the Church (Eph. 3:5), who, with Christ, form the foundation of the Church (Eph. 2:20). The Church has been guided by the Holy Spirit, who protects this teaching from corruption (John 14:25-26, 16:13). solite3:You did address it WRONGLY. 3:16 does not explain 3:15. To contextualize 3:15, you need John 5:39; and to contextualize John 5:39, you need John 12:16; John 19:28; John 20:9; Luke 24:27, Luke 44, 1 Peter 1:10. That's how you know what any author or speaker is talking about any instance. You don't just lump verses together just because they use the same term and/or they are close to each other. If you learned biblical exegesis and hermeneutics, you would know this. |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by shadeyinka(m): 7:11pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Dnaz:Even your church Fathers understand that they stood on shaky grounds when it came to Baptism (for it was never practiced as Born Again). If Baptism signifies being Born Again, 1. How many times can a person get born again in a lifetime? 2. Why do you then practice infant baptism (even though you get rebaptized as an adult)? 3. If Baptism is what you say it is, why do you practice baptism by sprinkling instead of baptism by immersion? These questions will pick your conscience if you desire the truth. Addressing the bolded: I saw a woman in scarlet Rev17:3- Not all who say to me Lord! Lord!! Shall enter the kingdom of heaven.... 1. I can see that part of the apostles oral teaching is making images of Mary and bowing down to them. 2. I can see that the apostles oral teachings also taught purgatory (it is appointed for man to die once...after that purgatory) 3. The apostles also taught about the institution of the pope as the vicar of Christ... 4. We saw that Jesus had a harem of virgins/celibate women he called nuns(married to Jesus) and the apostles faithfully transmitted this down to us. |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Dnaz(m): 8:44pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
shadeyinka:We only get baptised once. Whether as an infant or as an adult We don't bother ourselves about immersion or aspersion, they are both valid to us as long as its done according to the ancient faith handed to us by the Apostles. Which is the tradition of the Catholic chuch Can't compare the Church fathers to 19th century mushroom theologians whom u follow. Some of the Church Fathers were taught directly by the Apostles themselves. They didn't have to read only the written traditions and interpret it the way it suits them like the Protestant leaders who came 1600 years after the Church Like I said I ll rather take the opinion of the Church fathers because they have pedigree. The Reformers do not. They ate mostly rebellious kids who were angry at their mother, the Catholic church, but What an old woman sees sitting the child will not see even if he climbs a tower 1 Like |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by shadeyinka(m): 9:06pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Dnaz:Unfortunately, I don't care about your so called reformers or Protestants. I care about what the plain word teaches about Jesus and His will for me. I also know a little history. As important as baptism is, Jesus parent didn't see a need for his baptism as a child!? The faith of the parent actually saves the child!? I wish you could just bring a single example of any of Jesus Apostles who baptized a child!? You don't care whether it is by immersion or sprinkling when you claim that it washes you from the original sin!? Can sprinkling clean? Your so called church Fathers have never even studied under the feet of the apostles: hece they can bring in heresies into the church Are you aware that some errors were about smuggled into the church even at the life time of the apostles? You know what the Apostles said? Gal 1:8 Now, some people came in to add what the apostles have not said and you say they are church fathers who cannot decieve the church? I asked you some questions which as usual you dodge: 1. I can see that part of the apostles oral teaching is making images of Mary and bowing down to them. Can you find just one evidence? 2. I can see that the apostles oral teachings also taught purgatory (it is appointed for man to die once...after that purgatory). Just one evidence that suggests so? 3. The apostles also taught about the institution of the pope as the vicar of Christ. An evidence that Peter was called "Father/Pope" Mat 23:9 |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Dnaz(m): 10:23pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
shadeyinka:Nobody really cares about ur interpretation of scriptures. In protestianism everyone is his own pope that's why u keep breaking into several divisions because none of u have authority. The scriptures can only be correctly interpreted in the light of Apostolic tradition and not on sola scriptural The Church fathers were tutored by the Apostles themselves Ignatius of Antioch by John Polycarp of Smyrna by John Clement of Rome by Paul Linus by peter. They went on to transfer these traditions to their successors until the 4th Century When the Catholic Church through them compiled the Canon of the new testament which is Just the traditions of the Apostles that were written down. They selected them from various circulating books because they knew which ones were in line with the Teachings of the Apostles. And they Knew the correct interpretations. So u still wouldn't have the Christian Bible without the Catholic Church and the Church fathers The Apostles baptised households and Christ explicitly said let the little Children come to me do not stop them Christ was raised a Jew so the issue of his parents going to baptise him does not hold water |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:07am On Mar 19, 2018 |
James White had done a good job preaching the Word of God-James smashed it, he proved the bible is our only sauce to retrieve all truth-but because the Catholic's seeks after non scriptural knowledge, "God's Word had beating the Catholic's once again protesting against Him. If you have watched the other video-you would have seen-the bible is actually turning people away from-false religion, just like Martin Luther done. I never retrieved these video's from any Catholic sites, these you tube video's are open to the world. This is the video you have refused to talk about below-so let me show it to you again-and lets hear your views. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngOJoU9aBIg 9inches: |
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:27am On Mar 19, 2018 |
"True" but we aren't just in one city-we are all cities spreading the gospel to the nations.. doyinbaby: |
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