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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Commonsense101(m): 10:29pm On Mar 21, 2018
earthrealm:


what you want is actually simple, i have seen it in action in VI,
An ordinary sumo pump pumps water to an underground tank, another pump then takes it 3 storeys up to the small 300l to 500l presure tank with float valves, so the pump kicks in oce there is a pressure drop upto a certain preset value.

in your case, you can make it simpler,
by removing the underground tank..and using a surface tank.the main koko is that you need 24/7 electricity to power the pumps...thus you need solar panels+inverter to ensure 24/7 electricity for the pumps...then you can also do well by buying energy saving/solar friendly pumps....

hv you considered rooftop tank placement?..its a little more easy on the eyes than the external 30ft tank stands.....i hate em too!
@goodfaith the bolded sums up what you need.
the pump in question is called a booster pump, I think they are sometimes used in isolation, but you have to be certain your plumbing is 100% otherwise there could be leaks due to the high pressure.

the below is an illustration of such use in isolation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaQ5iCZCaP4

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 10:29pm On Mar 21, 2018
rabcnesbit:


I beg to differ again sir. A house will appreciate, just simple economics! Will you be able build a house today for the same amount you built it 10 years ago, or will you be able to build a house in 10 years time for the same amount you build it for today!

Hmmm. We disagree to agree.
I believe maybe you'll appreciate a better view if you go through Google on the subject and read more than 3 different write ups.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 1:55am On Mar 22, 2018
segzy14:



I know of volcanic ash as a partial replacement for cement and also rice husk ash.

Thanks for corroborating my story. Did the volcanic ash improve the properties (strength) of the mixture ?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 1:57am On Mar 22, 2018
mufutau55:


An Asset is something you own, it does not have to generate income.

Hajji M.

True sir. I've actually had to google it. I'm even surprised a car you own is listed as an asset. But described as a depreciating asset.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 3:45am On Mar 22, 2018
earthrealm:


what you want is actually simple, i have seen it in action in VI,
An ordinary sumo pump pumps water to an underground tank, another pump then takes it 3 storeys up to the small 300l to 500l presure tank with float valves, so the pump kicks in oce there is a pressure drop upto a certain preset value.

in your case, you can make it simpler,
by removing the underground tank..and using a surface tank.the main koko is that you need 24/7 electricity to power the pumps...thus you need solar panels+inverter to ensure 24/7 electricity for the pumps...then you can also do well by buying energy saving/solar friendly pumps....

hv you considered rooftop tank placement?..its a little more easy on the eyes than the external 30ft tank stands.....i hate em too!

note however that your water will be at a much higher pressure than what obtains from your overhead tanks. this will mean that you may need to pay closer attention to your choice cold water pipes, especially at the joints, tees and junctions. otherwise you may find leaks all over your building.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 3:52am On Mar 22, 2018
rabcnesbit:


I beg to differ again sir. A house will appreciate, just simple economics! Will you be able build a house today for the same amount you built it 10 years ago, or will you be able to build a house in 10 years time for the same amount you build it for today!

the crash of the housing bubble in the us meant that people with mortgages on houses were stuck paying loans on depreciated assets

ie, you buy a house for 350,000 on a mortgage. the value drops to 100,000 - but you are still stuck paying the 350k

you are referring to inflation, which is not a proper measure of value. in addition, the methods, technologies, architectural designs etal available today are not what were available yesterday.
would you say that the colonial era buildings have a high value? or the decrepit dangerous 50 year old buildings in lagos island?

i used to work in zenon house on ajose adeogun. today that building looks like sheet next to the new developments all around it.

its just that as nigerians we aren't into urban renewal. that building is due for a demolition

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 6:53am On Mar 22, 2018
EgunMogaji:


I believe that there's a 3rd realm. I know of someone that also bought an existing house. The floor of one of the rooms was always mouldy and smelly. Noises, the whole nine yard. He broke the German floor, dug and found the full skeletal remains of a goat, a full goat, buried upright. So you'll say can't one just bury a dead goat. Yeah, but not with ado and other stuff.

He gave the house away and has sworn off of Nigeria. He's now retired to Hawaii.

Nkon nbe.

Heh, whenever we do KDR in our petrol stations(knock down rebuild) we are always finding weird stuff like that.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:01am On Mar 22, 2018
KolaShangOne:


Thanks for corroborating my story. Did the volcanic ash improve the properties (strength) of the mixture ?

Yes it did, in fact that was my B.tech project topic.
Volcanic ash has some properties of cement, even its colour looks like that of cement.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by earthrealm(m): 8:30am On Mar 22, 2018
segzy14:


Yes it did, in fact that was my B.tech project topic.
Volcanic ash has some properties of cement, even its colour looks like that of cement.

volcanic ash is natural, and wioth ordinary common sense, one can deduce it would have strengthening properties.....
the rubber soot from burnt tyre on the other hand.....am fairly certain doesnt add any value...apart from color, then again..only a controlled test will confirm my suspicions

oyb:


note however that your water will be at a much higher pressure than what obtains from your overhead tanks. this will mean that you may need to pay closer attention to your choice cold water pipes, especially at the joints, tees and junctions. otherwise you may find leaks all over your building.

yeah, he should use top notch plumbing fittings, @OP, keep us posted as i am also interested in that concept, and would wish to apply it in my build....though decking a part of the roof seems to be an easier alternative for me---since its a semi-rented structure
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by INTEGRITYA1(m): 8:36am On Mar 22, 2018
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rabcnesbit: 11:39am On Mar 22, 2018
What is the difference between Governor's consent and C of O; which one has more protection?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by InvertedHammer: 12:21pm On Mar 22, 2018
rabcnesbit:


Not necessarily sir. That old photo of yours when you were still a young fine handsome guy chasing the ladies that you cherish so much and secured away so it does not get lost or damaged is very valuable to you (so an asset to you), but it will not increase in value as it is not valuable to anyone. grin
/

LOL
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 1:25pm On Mar 22, 2018
rabcnesbit:
What is the difference between Governor's consent and C of O; which one has more protection?

C of O means certificate of Occupancy that is d cert that shows govt has granted u statutory right to occupy that land. whereas Governor consent is granted if there is a transfer of ownership of property that has been granted C of O already

thats notifying d governor that d property has been transfer. Hope it helps

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Chekitaut: 1:50pm On Mar 22, 2018
writejhn27:


C of O means certificate of Occupancy that is d cert that shows govt has granted u statutory right to occupy that land. whereas Governor consent is granted if there is a transfer of ownership of property that has been granted C of O already

thats notifying d governor that d property has been transfer. Hope it helps
Perfect... No other answer to the question.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by akinolaolujide(m): 1:52pm On Mar 22, 2018
Shegman22:
You funny ooo, what of if the height of the building is 2.4meters and he measured the length of the whole sitting room as 23.3meters ...
The areguement here is not if it's flat or not it's that the except u are screeding a cinema there will always be openings either doors or Windows or any other form
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by akinolaolujide(m): 1:55pm On Mar 22, 2018
EgunMogaji:


I missed it, sorry Sir.

Here in the USA you wil use rebar as well as specific mix of concrete which will include granite.

My floor guy chose to not use iron but instead is using gutter sand and granite.

Is this the best way to go? Not sure but I was willing to experiment.

Thanks.
since its a garage you should have insisted on BRC. Very important it Will give you longer time before failures.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rabcnesbit: 1:55pm On Mar 22, 2018
writejhn27:


C of O means certificate of Occupancy that is d cert that shows govt has granted u statutory right to occupy that land. whereas Governor consent is granted if there is a transfer of ownership of property that has been granted C of O already

thats notifying d governor that d property has been transfer. Hope it helps

Many thanks. So following that logic, once a land has Governor's Consent, it will have C of O already.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 2:30pm On Mar 22, 2018
akinolaolujide:
since its a garage you should have insisted on BRC. Very important it Will give you longer time before failures.

What’s a BRC?

I’m satisfied with what we did but time will tell.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 2:44pm On Mar 22, 2018
Underground reservoir with pump

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Dremca(m): 3:18pm On Mar 22, 2018
Above all is cheaper building it yourself than buying no matter the desired features.
EgunMogaji:


Reasons why I'm building my own house.

1) Spiritual: For me, in Nigeria, I cannot buy a house to live in that I don't know what it was built on. I'll live it at that.

2) Location: I like living in suburbia, not really a city dweller. In fact, I don't think that I moved far away enough. I am surprised at the fast pace of development in my area. Maybe I should have gone to Idi Ayunre.

3) Design: The overall layout, starting with the compound, is very important to my lifestyle. Also going inside the house it becomes more important. Where is the master bedroom located, do the rooms have toilets in them like a gademn hotel, is there a stupid washi hand basin slapped into the dining area? Was good flow considered, both for air and people?

4) Architecture: I hate roman pillars with a passion. This and other mismatch designs drives me batty. I need specific things like attached outside areas like a patio, courtyard, etc. Most homes in Nigeria do not have it though some have balconies.

5) Finishing: Some interiors look like a catalog of whorehouses. Mismatch of colors on walls and tiles. I'm talking really gaudy stuff. The kicker is that vast amount of money were spent on most of the ridiculous and tasteless stuff.

6) Quality of Materials: Once I saw the quality of blocks in 2 or 3 places in my area I knew that I couldn't trust them. How many times have we also seen columns that were built on top of blocks? The current trend now is columns without baskets?

So those are the reasons why "I" chose to build rather than buy. If I bought then I would have to make major changes, most structural, which will not make sense.

The reason I asked this question is that I see a trend where some members are being derided for trying to do things a certain way on their site. If I don't want a high standing tower on my site, it's my right and pleasure. We all have a need to fill, if not we can all be very comfortable in a tatched or mud hut. It will do the job of protecting us from the elements.

Now onto answering your question.

Yes, a residential house is indeed an investment, but only when built properly and with a purpose in mind.

Most real millionaires, not the fraudulent ones that abound all over the place in Nigeria made it mostly from real estate investment.

Thank you, Sir.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Dremca(m): 3:29pm On Mar 22, 2018
No, when it takes money from your pocket without adding value or money to your pocket. Eg, side chicks grin
keziah123:

Liability when it's for comfort and luxury.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Dremca(m): 3:40pm On Mar 22, 2018
A clothe is an asset depending on how is used. Dressing up in suit to attend a business conference will likely gain you more attention and connection, because you look like a business person which in turn generates money for you but dressing so boyish will instanstanly send a message to the attendees. However, dressing that same bouyish to a club will attract you chicks which in turn takes money from your pocket without adding no value nor money to your pocket. It boils down to how you use it.
bixton:


A clothe is not an asset per se. Except its an antique.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Dremca(m): 3:43pm On Mar 22, 2018
Structures will always depreciate in value but land will always appeciate. But to protect your structure against uncertainty like collapse, fire outbreak et al, is always advised to insure your home. Insurance gives you peace of mind when uncertainty occurs.
bixton:


If there are any estate management professionals here they can come up with a response.
This topic is slightly two way traffic. Houses have a depreciation value. It's the land that actually appreciates.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Dremca(m): 3:56pm On Mar 22, 2018
You dont necessary have to own an investment. Eg, if you rent a car from a company certainly you can use it for any purpose except otherewise stated. You can then decide to make money from it by using it as taxi. You dont own it but is your investment because it bring you income which can take care of your rental cost. If you then buy a used car that so much on repairing it on weekly bases not regular maintenace but weekly heavy repair, you can't classify it as an asset any more because it takes more money from than expected. is now a liability not an asset.
If you then decide to buy a brand new car and this car has attacted several business partners and client to you because they belive that by driving that good car, you're comfortable and trusted and wont elude with their money and the only money you spend on the car is just for regular maintenace, then is an asset.
rabcnesbit:
Okay, maybe we have fallen into the trap of conflating asset with investment, as there is a subtle difference between the two. As per the English dictionary, an asset is a 'valuable person or thing, something owned by a person, company, etc' (so your wife can be an asset smiley. An investment is 'an outlay of money, effort, resources etc usually for income or profit'. So all investments can be classed as assets (valuable and owned), but not all assets can be classed as investment (not for income or profit)
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Dremca(m): 3:58pm On Mar 22, 2018
Maybe much demand is not chasing supply, that's why the prices of land hasn't gone up.
EgunMogaji:


Sometimes you just have to shake your head grin

This is what is called "replacement value" and what insurance is rated on.

I scored a deal with a home builder on one house in Texas for $225,000. When I went to have it insured the value they came up with was $375,000 (the lowest). Insurance told me that is the replacement value that it will cost them to rebuild if the house was destroyed. I then went to get my own appraisal done and that one came up with $355,000

The land value at the tax office hasn't changed in 10 years and was at $17,500 or so.

So yeah you're right, house do go up in value.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Dremca(m): 4:00pm On Mar 22, 2018
More expensive than phase 2 and prone to erosion.
twinskenny:
So many empty houses in lekki phase 1.... why?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Dremca(m): 4:05pm On Mar 22, 2018
A house appeciate because of the land not because of the structure except is a monument mostly found in italy.
rabcnesbit:


I beg to differ again sir. A house will appreciate, just simple economics! Will you be able build a house today for the same amount you built it 10 years ago, or will you be able to build a house in 10 years time for the same amount you build it for today!
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 4:21pm On Mar 22, 2018
Dremca:
Maybe much demand is not chasing supply, that's why the prices of land hasn't gone up.

Quite possible. Both do go up, land and houses, one can't simply say that houses don't do up in value, only land. That's ludicrous.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 4:24pm On Mar 22, 2018
twinskenny:
Underground reservoir with pump

Wa sere eyan mi.

EgunMogaji didn't create anything. I just cuddle up to using technology to solve issues. No need for elevated tanks (with its inherent safety risk and unsightfulness) or at least no one should just accept that the only way is elevated tanks. There are alternatives.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by davidlanray(m): 4:24pm On Mar 22, 2018
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by CofOLandOfPeace(m): 4:56pm On Mar 22, 2018
Dremca:
A house appeciate because of the land not because of the structure except is a monument mostly found in italy.

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