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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 5:10pm On Mar 24, 2018
Will Nigeria also be taking action in line with what's happened in Israel?

Israeli shipyard suspected of bribery in Nigerian warship deal

Israeli officials have arrested three Israel Shipyards employees over a suspected bribery scandal involving the sale of Shaldag patrol boats to the Nigerian Navy.

According to The Times of Israel, three senior Israel Shipyards figures were arrested in Haifa on 18 March on suspicion of bribing a Nigerian official in exchange for supplying the patrol boats. They are suspected of bribery, fraud, money laundering, tax offenses and breaching export laws.

The Nigerian Navy received at least four Shaldag Mk II patrol boats between 2009 and 2013, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s Arms Transfers database.

Nigeria’s Vanguard reported last week that the House of Representatives Committee on Public Petitions recommended cancelling the $195 million contract saying it would lead to capital flight.

Nigeria has acquired other defence products and services from Israel in the past, including Aerostar unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and a Falcon Eye maritime surveillance system. The latter was inaugurated in June 2016. It is designed in Israeli by Asia Global Technology but manufactured by United Arab Emirates (UAE)-based Falcon Eye Technology. It uses a number of electro-optic systems and cameras operated from a command centre to detect and pinpoint vehicular and human movements. Nigeria’s system has a range of up to 35 nautical miles from the coast and uses six electro-optical stations to monitor vessels, aircraft and offshore platforms.

More here: http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51144:israeli-shipyard-suspected-of-bribery-in-nigerian-warship-deal&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 5:11pm On Mar 24, 2018
NN flags off Obangame express 2018

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 5:11pm On Mar 24, 2018
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 5:18pm On Mar 24, 2018
jakeporeshenko:

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France and Senegal.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 5:37pm On Mar 24, 2018
jakeporeshenko:
NN flags off Obangame express 2018

What's the objective of the Obangame exercises, from a West African perspective? I ask only because the professed objective from the Western partners has remained the same all these years. With that in mind, what's the intent and objectives of the individual West African Navies who partake? Specifically, the different navies in the region are developmentally and capability-scaled than each other, so what observable benefit can they derive from an exercise whose parameters and scenarios - from the western naval planning perspective - remain the same?
Or is it a case where the more advanced West African nations send their less-experienced personnel to get up-skilled?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 6:08pm On Mar 24, 2018
Frumentum:


What's the objective of the Obangame exercises, from a West African perspective? I ask only because the professed objective from the Western partners has remained the same all these years. With that in mind, what's the intent and objectives of the individual West African Navies who partake? Specifically, the different navies in the region are developmentally and capability-scaled than each other, so what observable benefit can they derive from an exercise whose parameters and scenarios - from the western naval planning perspective - remain the same?
Or is it a case where the more advanced West African nations send their less-experienced personnel to get up-skilled?
It’s mostly about policing west African waters, fight against piracy, illegal fishing and other illegalities.
I don’t think it has any strategic goal.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 6:41pm On Mar 24, 2018
Frumentum:


What's the objective of the Obangame exercises, from a West African perspective? I ask only because the professed objective from the Western partners has remained the same all these years. With that in mind, what's the intent and objectives of the individual West African Navies who partake? Specifically, the different navies in the region are developmentally and capability-scaled than each other, so what observable benefit can they derive from an exercise whose parameters and scenarios - from the western naval planning perspective - remain the same?
Or is it a case where the more advanced West African nations send their less-experienced personnel to get up-skilled?
WA navies have been able to standardize response to piracy,illegal fishing(to an extent) etc.
Furthermore the exercise has really removed some distrust between the participants (this my perspective as a Nigerian)
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 6:51pm On Mar 24, 2018
jakeporeshenko:

It’s mostly about policing west African waters, fight against piracy, illegal fishing and other illegalities.
I don’t think it has any strategic goal.

Yes I'm aware of that. But the point is this: what do the West African navies aim to get out of it? Planning is always by Africacom and NATO with unchanging scenarios - reflecting their interests and outlook - so at what point are the West African Navies put in charge of planning and start determining scenarios and assets?
Real training among equals, not one party coming to conduct pupillage.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 7:02pm On Mar 24, 2018
Odunayaw:
WA navies have been able to standardize response to piracy,illegal fishing(to an extent) etc.
Furthermore the exercise has really removed some distrust between the participants (this my perspective as a Nigerian)


I hear you. Your Western partners have not changed the parameters of the exercise since inception. So what does that say?
As a planner, an annual exercise is only working if it gets more complex. Obangame in its planning, scenarios and execution has always been the same.
This is not some jingoistic posturing, I have the same critique of the sister exercise Africom/some NATO countries pursue in East Africa.

And BTW, we send observors to both.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by newafricaken254: 7:24pm On Mar 24, 2018
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 7:36pm On Mar 24, 2018
Frumentum:


Yes I'm aware of that. But the point is this: what do the West African navies aim to get out of it? Planning is always by Africacom and NATO with unchanging scenarios - reflecting their interests and outlook - so at what point are the West African Navies put in charge of planning and start determining scenarios and assets?
Real training among equals, not one party coming to conduct pupillage.
No Frum if you don’t know just ask, planning begins when they arrive our waters, why do you think I they dock for about a week before the actual exercise commences.

“Command post training and coordination for #obangameexpress is underway in preparation for next week's at-sea maritime security scenarios. #Ghana (U.S. Navy photos by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Theron J. Godbold/Released)”

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 7:38pm On Mar 24, 2018
Frumentum:


Yes I'm aware of that. But the point is this: what do the West African navies aim to get out of it? Planning is always by Africacom and NATO with unchanging scenarios - reflecting their interests and outlook - so at what point are the West African Navies put in charge of planning and start determining scenarios and assets?
Real training among equals, not one party coming to conduct pupillage.
It’s not homework, they don’t come here with a to-do list for our navies.

“Off to a planning exercise meeting with @RoyalNavy @USCG & Nigerian Navy for upcoming joint exercises in Lagos, Nigeria. #OpPROJECTION West #Africa”

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 7:52pm On Mar 24, 2018
jakeporeshenko:

No Frum if you don’t know just ask, planning begins when they arrive our waters, why do you think I they dock for about a week before the actual exercise commences.

“Command post training and coordination for #obangameexpress is underway in preparation for next week's at-sea maritime security scenarios. #Ghana (U.S. Navy photos by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Theron J. Godbold/Released)”

That's not when planning starts!!! I've liaised with Canadian, French, Ghanaian, Nigerian, UK and US planners on Obangame through the years. I do this for a living and it's been enhanced the last few years the SANDF has had observers on the exercise.
Ordinarily I'd say let's agree to disagree. But you're just plain wrong.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 8:12pm On Mar 24, 2018
Frumentum:


That's not when planning starts!!! I've liaised with Canadian, French, Ghanaian, Nigerian, UK and US planners on Obangame through the years. I do this for a living and it's been enhanced the last few years the SANDF has had observers on the exercise.
Ordinarily I'd say let's agree to disagree. But you're just plain wrong.
Obviously they make plans before they leave their country and sail towards the Gulf of Guinea, but plans are finalized here no ?
I mean the actual content of the exercise.

Anyways like you said it’s your occupation so no need to argue with you, the exercise doesn’t have any strategic impact or goal, every year it’s the same same visit board search and seizure and firefighting.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 8:18pm On Mar 24, 2018
Appreciation post, my favorite Nigerian defense correspondent.
Brenda Uji

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 8:44pm On Mar 24, 2018
dyydxx:


Thank you. Been waiting for real coherent answers. Can you educate me on the end game here? why would ISWAP return the girls without getting anything in return? does that even make any sense? Also why did they leave out one girl, or doesn't the agreement to return the girls cover that one?

http://www.akelicious.net/2018/03/dapchi-dss-reveals-condition-boko-haram.html
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 8:45pm On Mar 24, 2018
Odunayaw:
No be really distraction, na money as Dayo rightly said. As it is sef na gidigbo NAF de use wrestle money from those agbada wearing scoundrels. Just imagine CAS including in the budget Full system of Sky dragon 50 ADS @ $70m then one Senator Olodo from an opposition blows it out of proportion and a political intifada starts.
I am not at ease too but I have come to understand the situation we are in. When the JFs come in, I will begin to furiously wag my tongue for assets needed to defend them
Agbada wearing scoundrels grin grin

Knowing the self centered nature of our political class, nothing would be done about the gaps in our military (ability to wage conventional war against another state)
Unless it affects them directly and threatens their credibility/popularity, unfortunately there’s only one such situation...
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 8:56pm On Mar 24, 2018
jakeporeshenko:

Obviously they make plans before they leave their country and sail towards the Gulf of Guinea, but plans are finalized here no ?
I mean the actual content of the exercise.

Anyways like you said it’s your occupation so no need to argue with you, the exercise doesn’t have any strategic impact or goal, every year it’s the same same visit board search and seizure and firefighting.

I'll give you examples:
1) Exercise IBSAMAR is a maritime exercise by India, Brazil and South Africa which has been held every 2 years off the South Africa coast since 2008 (last one was held in India after their International Fleet Review to save funds as all 3 navies were there).It involves Navy, Air Force and Special Forces from all 3 countries. Because SA is the host, 9 months is dedicated by the SANDF to its planning. 6 months of that is just desk-top planning involving the 3 militaries. As I type this, the Brazilian and the Indian planners have been in SA for 2 weeks to finalise the last 3 months of planning.

2) Exercise Good Hope is a joint maritime and air force exercise by Germany/NATO and South Africa held every 2 years in SA and Europe since 2004. Because of the complexity, planning in the host country always starts 6 months after the exercise - meaning 18 months of planning.

3) Exercise Oxide is a joint exercise by France and South Africa involving maritime, air force and Special Forces every 2 years in SA and the French territories in the Indian Ocean near to us. Planning for this used to be a simple 6 months but because other countries on the Indian Ocean have sent observers - Madagascar, Mauritius, Seychelles, Mozambique, Tanzania - it's now been pushed out to 9 months.

I could go on and on.

My point is this: no multi-national exercise will ever take less than 9 months to plan and if planning in the host country is a matter of weeks, they're not planning but simply confirming logistics for plans made elsewhere.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by dyydxx: 9:05pm On Mar 24, 2018
rka2:


http://www.akelicious.net/2018/03/dapchi-dss-reveals-condition-boko-haram.html

I'm even more confused. So they came to abduct the girls to have standing just to be able to negotiate 'cessation of hostilities'. There are unconfirmed reports the last girl is being brought back now. If the end game is to negotiate a ceasefire why does it have to take an abduction and loss of lives to achieve that? why can't the back channels just request that straightup?

This whole thing is absurdly insane.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 9:11pm On Mar 24, 2018
Exercise Obangame Express 2018 (OE18), which is sponsored by U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM), is designed to improve regional cooperation, maritime domain awareness (MDA), information-sharing practices, and tactical interdiction expertise to enhance the collective capabilities of Gulf of Guinea and West African nations to counter sea-based illicit activity.

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 9:48pm On Mar 24, 2018
dyydxx:


I'm even more confused. So they came to abduct the girls to have standing just to be able to negotiate 'cessation of hostilities'. There are unconfirmed reports the last girl is being brought back now. If the end game is to negotiate a ceasefire why does it have to take an abduction and loss of lives to achieve that? why can't the back channels just request that straightup?

This whole thing is absurdly insane.

Terrorism never makes sense.

The Al-Barnawi faction is not as brutal as Shekau's, hence the breakaway in the first place. It was probably as a bargaining tool but then probably went against what majority of that faction believe i.e. no abductions or bombing of Mosques and Churches from what I am led to believe.

At the end of the day, only they themselves know. We can only speculate.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 10:44pm On Mar 24, 2018
jakeporeshenko:
Exercise Obangame Express 2018 (OE18), which is sponsored by U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM), is designed to improve regional cooperation, maritime domain awareness (MDA), information-sharing practices, and tactical interdiction expertise to enhance the collective capabilities of Gulf of Guinea and West African nations to counter sea-based illicit activity.

Precisely my point. The Exercise has been the same since inception. So what progress can we say has been made?
Sea-borne thieves still put to shore in Douala, transfer their cargo to a littoral vessel off Lagos, and a tanker off Senegal transfers the cargo to the international markets. Without Obangame we can monitor such activities in Silvermine, Cape Town, pass on info to Ghana for example, that they've not received from Nigeria or Cameroun. So what's the point, besides Africom ticking a box so Congress may continue funding them?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Omololu2121: 11:23pm On Mar 24, 2018
Sizzorkay:



No such thing as money gotten from the South.
And states aren't in charge of funding warfare, that's the job of the federal Govt, states can help with facilities and other logistics, access to state detention centers, vehicles etc, but Money that comes from the Fed belongs to all Nigerians, not South, not anywhere else.
People in the North also pay taxes, easterners do too, and yes there is also oil money, but that's not the only arena the Fed Govt gets money from.
Now before anyone bite off my head, let's keep it civil, correct me if I'm wrong grin
how much is borno state contributing to the Federal purse?

Nonsense

Northerners are parasite
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:36pm On Mar 24, 2018
Frumentum:


Precisely my point. The Exercise has been the same since inception. So what progress can we say has been made?
Sea-borne thieves still put to shore in Douala, transfer their cargo to a littoral vessel off Lagos, and a tanker off Senegal transfers the cargo to the international markets. Without Obangame we can monitor such activities in Silvermine, Cape Town, pass on info to Ghana for example, that they've not received from Nigeria or Cameroun. So what's the point, besides Africom ticking a box so Congress may continue funding them?
Ohhhhh now I get, you should have made this point in your initial post. I thought you were asking a genuine question meanwhile you already knew the answer to it, I guess what you’re trying to say is Africom is a scam ? Or it’s multinational exercises.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 1:03am On Mar 25, 2018
[quote author=jakeporeshenko post=66130609]
Ohhhhh now I get, you should have made this point in your initial post. I thought you were asking a genuine question meanwhile you already knew the answer to it, I guess what you’re trying to say is Africom is a scam ? Or it’s multinational exercises.[/quot

Now you get grin grin grin
Exercises and scenarios are my bread and butter. SA govt has taken a political decision to interface directly with the Pentagon and not Africom, for instance. We in the military interface with everybody active on the African continent, including Africom. So my musings about Obangame are based on that interaction.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by jpphilips(m): 1:14am On Mar 25, 2018
dyydxx:


Having your child back brings the Joy, the only thing i'm not sure of is having the wild jubilation in the presence of the kidnappers as they drop off my kid. If the children were returned by 3rd parties(Police or Army or even strangers), I can understand that behavior.

The villagers have expressed their joy, common sense have solved where the joy is directed to.
Other intelligent news sources have confirmed that. Sahara reporters is free to throw around their assumptions, sane people careless.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 3:21am On Mar 25, 2018
[quote author=Frumentum post=66131593][/quote]
Heheheh this guy, you didn’t have to take me on that wild goose chase. grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Sizzorkay: 4:48am On Mar 25, 2018
That's a pretty sad way of thinking, if you did at all.

Omololu2121:
how much is borno state contributing to the Federal purse?

Nonsense

Northerners are parasite
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by LTGEN: 5:24am On Mar 25, 2018
Sizzorkay:
That's a pretty sad way of thinking, if you did at all.

Don't feed the troll.
He is looking for attention.
Ignore.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by LTGEN: 5:34am On Mar 25, 2018
jakeporeshenko:

Ohhhhh now I get, you should have made this point in your initial post. I thought you were asking a genuine question meanwhile you already knew the answer to it, I guess what you’re trying to say is Africom is a scam ? Or it’s multinational exercises.
Jakeporshenko:
Ignore.When it comes to Nigeria
Frumentius has all the answers.
He believes nothing good can come out of
Anything called American / Nigerian collaboration.
He has been consistent from day one.
Unfortunately for him the Americans don't seem to agree with his narrative.
Despite the fact this exercise has been going on now to test the capabilities of Countries that cover almost1/4 the continent of Africa' s marine mass it( The exercise to him) is just ticking boxes.
Very soon he will tell us how he ran the entire exercise check the dumb Nigerian barely could get their ships in line.
This is the reality:
The operation involved 4x Ships from Nigeria.
It will test their capabilities with their African counterparts.The usefulness of this was demonstrated when a pirate attack occurred from Angola to Lagos with each Coastal Nation handing off Years ago.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by giles14(m): 6:44am On Mar 25, 2018
jakeporeshenko:
Appreciation post, my favorite Nigerian defense correspondent.
Brenda Uji
when was dis pix taken

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