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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:24pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Tyson could beat Ali on a good day, but Foreman would flog him like he flogged Frasier. We've already seen the Tyson-Foreman match up stylistically pre-enacted by Frasier-Foreman. Tyson would be out of there in 2 rounds. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 6:26pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
afrodoc2: I'm with you here Doc. As much as I love Iron Mike(easily one of the greatest heavyweights of all time), I'm truly struggling to name a Great Fighter He beat In that Fighter's prime. The Aura Tyson had in those early years was garnered by fighting bums. If we critically look into it, we'll see most of his wins were against your run of the mill average joes any boxer worth his salt would have beaten. Then came the Hype and let's be honest, we all bought into it. From the Black trunks and Black boots to his shaven head. From the intimidating music to the wearing of No socks we all loved it. And we let our Love cloud our judgement. Tyson in His prime would not have beaten either Lewis or Vitali Klitschko. It's simply not happening. Any tall technically gifted fighter would have caused Tyson endless problems. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PlainJAY(m): 6:31pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Pls stop derailing Raumdeuter ; Hazard is better than all Bayern players combined...and Terry >>>>>>Boateng Nihilistjnr ; Matic is the best midfielder in the World Ibime ; Bakayoko>>>>>>>lampard Cruxifizio,afrodoc2 ; mourinho is the best manager in the world 4 Likes
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 6:40pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Prettyboy actually had knock out power in His early years. He lost most of it partly due to the problems He had with His hands and partly because He was slowly moving up the divisions. Also As He became older,He simply became more Ring savvy and was able to win fights due to His incredibly High Boxing IQ. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 6:48pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
chic2pimp: But Tyson dey beat Lennox Lewis in their sparing days na? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amclZ9nvfo0 88 Tyson was dat guy |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Smellymouth: 6:51pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
That moment you realise international friendly game is over and you about going to 5th position.. Thank God I didn't say anything.. 10 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:54pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:54pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
PlainJAY: If we say Ali 'parked the bus' against Foreman, would that make you more comfortable?
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by neezar: 7:02pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Smellymouth:Madt man...where u enter since?? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PlainJAY(m): 7:05pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Ibime: No..... Say Bakayoko/iniesta>>>>>>>>>Lampard |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PlainJAY(m): 7:09pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Smellymouth: 1 Like
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:25pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: Dem go come say Lennox beat Tyson when he was already tired and spent over 3yrs in jail. And if you watched all those fights, Its basically all these guys spending lots of time trying to hold and hug Tyson |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 7:52pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr: E no beat am jare. It was just a "Sparing" session. No one got knocked out. Nah the Hype did not match the substance on the ground. Had Cus not died so early in His career,Had He not gotten himself involved with Don "Parasite" King, Had He been fully committed and dedicated to the art that is boxing.....Lawd knows what He would have achieved. He had the aggression and fighting style of a street brawler whilst being an extremely skilled Boxer too. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:02pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
chic2pimp: No mind dem jare. As if Foreman did not take 10 years out of the game. As if Ali was not forced out for 3 years. All manner of excuses for Tyson. This is someone who lost to Buster Douglas before he went to jail sef. When he came back beating Bruno and knocking out Seldon in under 2 minutes, we heard Iron Mike is back in form, until Holyfield reset his brain, then we started hearing he is past his prime. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 8:27pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Ibime: That's one thing that get's my goat. The amount of excuses always given for Tyson's failures. It's high time we accept as good as Tyson was, He had flaws which weren't exactly hidden either. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 9:50pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Ibime:E really pain me say them no fight again. I've seen that fight multiple times and I was a bit appalled by Foreman's lack of strategy, a lot of Foreman's blows were mainly landing on the arms Ali was using to shield his face. If he were a bit more efficient he could have taken down Ali because I can count at least two occasions Ali was literally out on his feet You also have to salute Ali's intestinal fortitude too because the amount of body shots he took were ungodly. I wouldn't blame Ali for ducking Big George. He was 8 years older I think for AJ the one weapon he has and that can work in his favor against Fury is that he is not scared to go inside. And the amount of power he can generate without telegraphing his blows is why I argued he can easily match Wilder power for power. You saw that uppercut against Klitschko. From out of nowhere |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 10:00pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Aaarggh!!! So I dropped by to catch up on the latest happenings on this thread thinking I would get to read some interesting discussions only to meet a borefest. A'mean I went through like 6 pages of boring stuff. Now i'm not against discussing a variety of topics, but the shiit here is getting stale. A newbie would think he was on the wrong thread. Other posters and followers of the thread are unable to chip in just because a group of people have decided to take the conversation to a different direction, one which the majority are either not interested in or comfortable with. So the rest of us all just keep quiet, wondering when the discussion will end so we can go on as usual. No group of persons should dictate the flow of conversation and interactions on any thread. Mehn, I'm outta here!! 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 10:04pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
afrodoc2:That's why I said it was Ali at his improvisational best. If it were that easy other fighters would have replicated it. Foreman's fights with Ron Lyle and Jimmy Young were bloodbaths that showed Foreman could hang. Any fighter that fought as inefficiently as Foreman would on that night would have ran out of gas 9 times out of 10. I agree that the 70's fights took more toll on you but when a boxer comes back at 39 years old and almost a decade out of the sport to fight younger guys and compete favorably then it has to be considered that perhaps his stamina was not as bad as purported 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 10:15pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Ibime:Boxing is not mathematics but there were many Tyson's before Tyson. Foreman was Tyson on double portion of knockout anointing. Ali go too kpokpo am |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 10:25pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
A40: Nah I would say Smoking Joe was Tyson before Tyson. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:46pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
chic2pimp: Tyson was Joe stylistically with knockout power of Sonny Liston and chin of Frank Bruno. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 10:59pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
chic2pimp:In terms of stature. I'm talking straight explosive KO power |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 11:13pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 11:43pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
afrodoc2: I still go back to his age at the time. He was pretty young when he fought Cooper. Second time they fought Ali had a much easier time plus let's also remember neither fight went past the 6th. Foreman's loss to Ali really was an epic upset. Some L's defy rhyme or logic. Like how Liverpool came from 3 down to beat Milan. What he pulled off no fighter who fought Foreman well aware of his weaknesses was able to repeat afrodoc2: Methodical not slow if you ask me. Which is what made his loss to Ali more surprising. Ali literally parked the bus and he walked into the trap. He was in too much of a hurry to end the fight which was perhaps arrogant on his part but with the way he dispatched Norton and Frazier so easily who could blame him? afrodoc2:I can only judge based on their mutual opponent Molina. Like you pointed out Wilder is not a precise puncher but his hand speed is that good that while his punches don't necessarily land flush all the time they do their damage and clear road like John the Baptist for other oncoming punches.. AJ has a strong inside game and does not need to throw windmill punches to get the job done. The power he can generate on standing and at short range I don't think I've seen from Wilder. Klitschko can attest. For the most part you are still going to require a combination of punches to knock out anybody. Wilder didn't knock out Stiverne or Ortiz with one blow or lucky swing. There has to be that one punch that sends a fighter to a point of no return and based on what I've seen from both of them there isn't much to suggest he is markedly more powerful at that than AJ |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:48pm On Mar 28, 2018 |
This place has turned to old people's home. See them doing strong head like Haggler's. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 12:05am On Mar 29, 2018 |
Blame it on the Inter-Lull. It used to be worse than this |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 12:12am On Mar 29, 2018 |
jonsnow92:That's the thing the knowledge alone would never be enough. He would still need a strategy to implement, had Foreman been a bit more efficient the fight would have had a different outcome and that aside it's pretty telling that nobody else was able to pull it off Forget the bants about stamina, there is no way you knockdown a fighter 5 times and some virtue will not leave you. This is why you see guys score knockdowns and still lose a fight. You exert a shitload of energy trying to knockdown a fighter that if you don't succeed then the hunter quickly transforms to the hunted. It happened with Ortiz and Wilder jonsnow92:Strategy killed Foreman on the night, he was wildly inefficient and even Ali would not have beaten Foreman if he fought like that |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:41am On Mar 29, 2018 |
chic2pimp: As my good friend always says, you can't develop muscle on your chin. A glass jaw can ruin the most skilled fighter eg Amir Khan. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 12:58am On Mar 29, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr:Foreman was beating Tyson's competition at 45. Make we leave this story for Jimi Solanke. That era was kinda weak There's nothing Tyson went through that can top leaving a professional sport for 10 phuckin years. That's like Ronaldo retiring now and returning to dominate football in 2027. This is like saying Saheed aka Seedorf from Kuwait or Tolu would go to La Masia and shine because he had mad skills in Kuwait A boxer with limited KO power like Holyfield could easily keep Tyson at bay and expose his suspect chin then he wouldn't have a prayer against a master like Ali. I no go even mention Foreman cos that one go just kill am. Slight work |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 1:22am On Mar 29, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr:Truly great sportsmen don't become completely useless outside their peak. Is Federer at his peak? Tom Brady? C.Ronaldo? Bone that thing. Tyson's body of work was weak. His era was weak which means his peak was suspect plus he didn't beat a single great heavyweight at any reasonable age ever. Larry Holmes at 39 does not count I'm sorry. If you're crazy enough to take up the sport of boxing then odds are there some demons in your head by default. Top 10 all-time heavyweights Tyson can never smell that list |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 1:59am On Mar 29, 2018 |
A40: Some people from munich, will call that your list, a polling booth list. If Bash Alli is not in that list, it's invalid. That man came with a bendel-insured hands and chin. He's in my top 5 all-time, with Haggler and Samuel Peter. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Smellymouth: 5:01am On Mar 29, 2018 |
neezar: Lol. Bros, I dey on lowkey. Morning baba. |
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