Originakalokalo:



The child of a lion is a lion.
The child of a human is human.


The child of God is God.



How many times are we going to say this?

Jesus is the manifestation of God in the Physical.

He referred to the Unseen, Invincible and Almighty God .

He is HIS physical form. He is God.

I understand it so easily. Without stress, without bias, without an iota of doubt.

Why they don't see it as I do beats my imagination.

The holy Spirit helps in this case. If you don't have him, you will never understand Spiritual things.

Jesus said,. I have a lot of things to tell you.but you can't bear them now

. When the Spirit comes, he will guide you in all truth and teach you. He said this to his disciples.

I guess that's why something that is this clear is still vague to a lot of people.


Foolishness is the gospel to the thinkers.according to the scriptures.

I cannot help you or anyone else beyond this.

Everyone just keep opening threads upon threads on the same subject matter.

If you don't understand,

I pray that God will give you understanding.

alBHAGDADI:
You just keep saying trash. Why do you think satan can't tempt God? The same satan that has been opposing God?

He can tempt but he can't succeed.

Emusan:


Was Jesus started to exist on earth or He existed in heaven before He came to earth?



Was Jesus appointed heir of anything while in heaven or only when He was on earth?

This is the problem you people have with the scripture, inability to distinguish when Bible is talking about The Word of God (Jesus) in heaven and His mission on earth which He achieved through Human nature.



This is how you people always twist the scripture.

Jesus didn't say He 'RECEIVED GLORY' but He 'HAD/SHARED GLORY' with the Father BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN

NOTE: This thing happened even before the WORLD began!

How can a being shared glory with God if the being isn't God?

DavidEsq:

What type of saviours wr they? Saviours from sin or from the general dangers and pitfalls of life? That they were so named or so described did not mean they were not not same capacity with Jesus, as shown in Acts 4:12.

Vecto:


Accounts of people raised from the dead:

1. Elijah raised the son of the Zarephath widow from the dead (1 Kings 17:17-22 ).

2. Elisha raised the son of the Shunammite woman from the dead ( 2 Kings 4:32-35 ).

3. A man was raised from the dead when his body touched Elisha’s bones (2 Kings 13:20, 21).

iamgenius:

Rather Jesus forsake himself since he's God.The sins which God took upon himself made Jesus to forsake his manifestation at the moment. It's still the same thing with yours abi? Since both Jesus and god are the same. Òpònú.

alBHAGDADI:
You just keep saying trash. Why do you think satan can't tempt God? The same satan that has been opposing God?

He can tempt but he can't succeed.

HMDr:



perfect
so what are your conclusion or does raised up the dead means one is god.

alBHAGDADI:


It is common these days to see people posing a question to Christians on social media and even in debates with the question always in one same manner. The question usually comes from Atheists, Jews, Muslims and even heretic Christians. They wonder why we see Jesus as God and worship him.

So they ask "Show me Where Jesus said "I am God worship me?" in those exact words.

You might become confused at this moment if you are not smart. Yes, you know you can't find anywhere in the Bible where Jesus said such in those exact words, so you might be quick to quote some classical verses that show Jesus Christ is God.

Well, the person asking that question has been trained in such a way that no matter the amount of verses you quote, he won't believe you unless you show him where Jesus said "I am God worship me" in those exact words. Now he has boxed you in the "exact words" corner. The only way you can get out is to pull him into the corner to make him see how stupid it is dealing with exact words. I bet you, he will be the one to open the door for the both of you to leave the corner once he realises how stupid it is. How do you do that? You flip the question back at him. You say...

"I'll be willing to show where Jesus said 'I am God worship me' in those exact words only if you can show me where he said 'I am only a prophet, do not worship me' in those exact same words. At that moment, he will start to realise the error of requesting for exact same words. To stamp it on him, if he's a Muslim that believes according to the Quran that Jesus was born of a virgin, then ask him to show you in the Quran or Bible where Jesus said "I am born of a virgin" in those exact same words. If he can't, then it means his belief that Jesus was born of a virgin is false.

The idea behind the above is to ensure you are not dealing with exact words. If the Jew, atheist, Muslim or heretic Christian can't show you anywhere in the Bible or Quran or any book where Jesus said these exact words "I am only a prophet, do not worship me" or "I am born of a virgin", then it means he shouldn't require of you to show him where Jesus said the exact same words "I am God worship me".

Once you have passed that, you can now ask a more reasonable question.

WHERE AND HOW DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD?

According to the Jews, Christians and Muslims, there are certain claims only God can make. All 3 religious beliefs hold the same view about God in that regard. That is why I am going to use the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Quran to see if Jesus made claims that only God can make.

1. Who is the "First and the Last"?

Let's start by quoting the Quran

Sura 57:3
He is the FIRST and the LAST, and the Outward (His signs appear on all His creatures) and the Inward (Hidden). And He is the All-Knower of everything.

Now let's read from the Old Testament

Isaiah 44:6
New International Version
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the FIRST and I am the LAST; apart from me there is no God.

Since both the Quran and the Bible agree that God is the First and the Last, should a prophet refer to himself as such? But that is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below.

Revelations 1:17-18
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the FIRST and the LAST. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Can you tell us what Jesus meant when he took a title that can only be applied to God and applied it to himself? If he wasn't claiming to be God, then what was he doing?

Vecto:


They're saviours and that's what matters. I'm not comparing them with Jesus. I'm simply pointing out the error in employing that line of reasoning.

Vecto:
His existence began on earth. Humans don't preexist their birth.

Lukay99:


With all due respect, your argument is very weak. You're cherry picking verses or part of a verse from the Quran or the old testament to substantiate your flawed claim.

Sura 57:3
He is the FIRST and the LAST, and the Outward (His signs appear on all His creatures) and the Inward (Hidden). And He is the All-Knower of everything.

Why did ignore the part that said "And He is the All-knower of everything "? Both the holy spirit and Jesus (saw) are not All-knower they where both actually ignorant of the last hour.

Bible Mark 13:32 ►
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)

Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

But Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
'He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)
‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)

You also made a claim that Jesus was able to forgive sins and perform many miracles so he must be God.
But the The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by himself
‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing.’ (John 5:19).
‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)
God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak.  Therefore, Jesus could not be God.

The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

Finally you said that Jesus died, but God cannot die
The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term applies only to God.

alBHAGDADI:


It is common these days to see people posing a question to Christians on social media and even in debates with the question always in one same manner. The question usually comes from Atheists, Jews, Muslims and even heretic Christians. They wonder why we see Jesus as God and worship him.

So they ask "Show me Where Jesus said "I am God worship me?" in those exact words.

You might become confused at this moment if you are not smart. Yes, you know you can't find anywhere in the Bible where Jesus said such in those exact words, so you might be quick to quote some classical verses that show Jesus Christ is God.

Well, the person asking that question has been trained in such a way that no matter the amount of verses you quote, he won't believe you unless you show him where Jesus said "I am God worship me" in those exact words. Now he has boxed you in the "exact words" corner. The only way you can get out is to pull him into the corner to make him see how stupid it is dealing with exact words. I bet you, he will be the one to open the door for the both of you to leave the corner once he realises how stupid it is. How do you do that? You flip the question back at him. You say...

"I'll be willing to show where Jesus said 'I am God worship me' in those exact words only if you can show me where he said 'I am only a prophet, do not worship me' in those exact same words. At that moment, he will start to realise the error of requesting for exact same words. To stamp it on him, if he's a Muslim that believes according to the Quran that Jesus was born of a virgin, then ask him to show you in the Quran or Bible where Jesus said "I am born of a virgin" in those exact same words. If he can't, then it means his belief that Jesus was born of a virgin is false.

The idea behind the above is to ensure you are not dealing with exact words. If the Jew, atheist, Muslim or heretic Christian can't show you anywhere in the Bible or Quran or any book where Jesus said these exact words "I am only a prophet, do not worship me" or "I am born of a virgin", then it means he shouldn't require of you to show him where Jesus said the exact same words "I am God worship me".

Once you have passed that, you can now ask a more reasonable question.

WHERE AND HOW DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD?

According to the Jews, Christians and Muslims, there are certain claims only God can make. All 3 religious beliefs hold the same view about God in that regard. That is why I am going to use the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Quran to see if Jesus made claims that only God can make.

1. Who is the "First and the Last"?

Let's start by quoting the Quran

Sura 57:3
He is the FIRST and the LAST, and the Outward (His signs appear on all His creatures) and the Inward (Hidden). And He is the All-Knower of everything.

Now let's read from the Old Testament

Isaiah 44:6
New International Version
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the FIRST and I am the LAST; apart from me there is no God.

Since both the Quran and the Bible agree that God is the First and the Last, should a prophet refer to himself as such? But that is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below.

Revelations 1:17-18
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the FIRST and the LAST. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Can you tell us what Jesus meant when he took a title that can only be applied to God and applied it to himself? If he wasn't claiming to be God, then what was he doing?

ibtz:


Opposing God by waylaying humans, directing humans to do evil, not carrying jollof rice in front of God to tempt him to eat it. Lol. He tempts God's creation not God himself directly

sweetjohn:
The devil tempted accused Job before the very presence of God without fear. He and God had an argument on Job loyalty, He tempted not just Job but also God. God had to prove to him that his servant love him so much, he took a risk to put his trust on Job never to fail him. That is a test from the devil to God, the devil knew God will still restore Job even if he falls but he might have succeeded in mocking God and making him feel disappointed, ever imagined if Job had failed? but thank God Job did not. Satan that engaged almighty God in battle in heaven, can do anything bro. There is one thing you should know he (Satan) can do anything to God and his servant but he can never win, this is a promise

sweetjohn:
The devil tempted accused Job before the very presence of God without fear. He and God had an argument on Job loyalty, He tempted not just Job but also God. God had to prove to him that his servant love him so much, he took a risk to put his trust on Job never to fail him. That is a test from the devil to God, the devil knew God will still restore Job even if he falls but he might have succeeded in mocking God and making him feel disappointed, ever imagined if Job had failed? but thank God Job did not. Satan that engaged almighty God in battle in heaven, can do anything bro. There is one thing you should know he (Satan) can do anything to God and his servant but he can never win, this is a promise

alBHAGDADI:
Read and learn

true2god

Vecto:


Good point. I think the problem with argument these days is because people refuse to accurately define the words they use.

Saying God being manifest through a burning bush implies he had to be physically appear there is a limitation on his power.

Like your analogy above he can simply choose to talk through the burning bush while in heaven.

femi4:
you must be an illiterate to think you can justify Bible verses by quoting Qur'an

Quran see Jesus as messenger, no more no less. But the Bible interpretation was deeper

fabre4:



do you believe that Jesus is the son of God. that would help me answer your question better

patomberekpe:
This is the reason prophet Elijah told them to call their god,while he will call his own God,we all know what happened.i can't remember the name of muhamed doing wonders,let me shock you,the name of God can not do anything except the name of Jesus.

Originakalokalo:



The child of a lion is a lion.

The child of a human is human.


The child of God is God.



How many times are we going to say this?

Jesus is the manifestation of God in the Physical.

He referred to the Unseen, Invincible and Almighty God .

He is HIS physical form. He is God.


I pray that God will give you understanding.

alBHAGDADI:
I don't think you understand what I meant by God making Himself manifest in flesh.

To make you understand, I'll have to flip the question back at you.

Who was ruling the universe when God entered the burning bush to speak to Moses?

If you can't answer the question then it means you don't know how powerful the creator of heaven and earth is.