enilove:
Op , If Jesus did not object to people calling him God and worshipping him here on earth b4 his death , the question " show me in the Bible where Jesus said I am God worhip me ", is irrelevant.

A son of God is God just like you cannot say a lion is not a lion because it was giving birth to .

Matthew 14:33 KJV
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

They worshipped him because he is the Son of God Almighty. Son of God is God.

John 5:17-26 KJV
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
[18] Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
[19] Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
[20] For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
[21] For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them ; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
[23] That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

You don't force people to respect you , you earn it . Jesus did not need to say " worship me " , by his deeds and works they bowed and worshipped him voluntarily as per Matt 14 : 33 .

Vecto:


Arguing two different people must be the same simply because they share the same title.

Olifiz:


The fact that another voice spoke during the baptism depicts they are different entities. The voice even said “this is my son in which I am well pleased” the voice didn’t say this is ME and I am well pleased. Jesus never preached trinity, the first century Christians didn’t preach it, he’s disciples didn’t preach it

alBHAGDADI:

2. Who can forgive sins?

Jews, christians and Muslims all believers that it is only God that can forgive sins. We see that in the Quran verse below

Sura (3:135) These are the ones who, when they commit any indecency and wrong against themselves, instantly remember Allah and implore forgiveness for their sins - for who will forgive sins save Allah? - and who do not wilfully persist in the wrong they did.

Now, if it is only God that can forgive sins, should a mere Prophet claim to forgive sins also? In the Bible verse below, we see the religious leaders startled when Jesus forgave the sins of a crippled man. They were startled cos they knew it is only God that can do such, so they said he was blaspheming. Jesus made it clear to them that a mere human can open his mouth to say I forgive you of your sin, but only a God can forgive you and restore what your sin deprived you of.

Mark 2:5-12
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves,
“Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, “Why are you thinking these things? Which is easier: to say to this paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, take your mat and walk’? But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the man, “I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.” He got up, took his mat and walked out in full view of them all. This amazed everyone and they praised God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this!”

You see Jesus forgave sins, something the Quran says only God has the authority to do. Isn't this Jesus showing that he is God?

3. Who is our final judge?

Old Testament

Joel 3:12
"Let the nations be roused; let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side.

More

Psalm 9:7-8
The LORD reigns forever; 7
he has established his throne for judgment.
He rules the world in righteousness 8
and judges the peoples with equity.

Quran
22:56) On that Day all sovereignty shall be Allah's and He will judge among them. Then those who believed and acted righteously shall be in Gardens of Bliss.
(22:57) A humiliating chastisement awaits those who disbelieved and denied Our Signs.

If both the Bible and the Quran agree that God is the final judge of humans, should a mere prophet claim to be the final judge? That is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below. He made it clear that he will be the one to judge.

Matthew 25:31-32
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

africansunite:
how does this sound to you yourself?





foolishness from the cradle....
only God can deliver you...

alBHAGDADI:

4. Who is "The Truth"?

King David referred to God as TRUTH.

Psalm 31:5
Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of TRUTH.[/b

The Quran also affirms God to be the TRUTH. As a matter of fact, that is one of the 99 names of Allah.

[b]Sura 22:6
That is because Allah, He is the TRUTH, and it is He Who gives life to the dead, and it is He Who is Able to do all things.

Now, knowing fully well that God is referred to as the TRUTH, would a prophet sent by the same God also ascribe that to himself? That is what Jesus did in the verse below.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the TRUTH and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

At this point, don't you find it strange that Jesus keeps applying the names of God to himself?

5. Who raises the dead?

The Bible and the Quran both agree that God is the only one who raises the dead.

1 Samuel 2:6
"The LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up.

In the Quran...

Sura 22:7
: And [know, O man] that the Last Hour is bound to come, beyond any doubt, and that God will [indeed] resurrect all who are in their graves.

Since God is the one to resurrect the dead on the day of resurrection, would we expect a mere prophet to make the same claim of resurrecting the dead? But that is what Jesus did in the verse below.

John 5:25-29 New International Version (NIV)
Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Jesus even called himself the resurrection and the life

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, "I am the RESURRECTION and the LIFE. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;

If Jesus was only a prophet, wouldn't this be blasphemy? How come he proved it by resurrecting Lazarus

ibtz:



Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Colossians:1:15 (kjv) king james version
it is one of your biblessss!!! please pick it up

Now choose one. is d verse talking about jesus or is it talking about paul because i think from ur own words "in the ocntext it could mean that Paul was speaking in relation to a consideration that he is a Son of God himself"
u are trying to say that paul is a son of god!!! am not understanding!!!

i guess u wud choose jesus because if u say paul u are now saying paul is the firstborn to reign over all creation

i think english grammar says firstborn is your first child, now u say we shud not take d word of God literally but then why do u christians take literally verses that try to assert that jesus is God or Son of God.
one bible says of, another says over, contradiction in plain sight!!!!

which brings us back to dis !!!
whichever one it is of or over!!! firstborn na firstborn.


if the word firstborn shud not be taken literally den u contradict ur doctrine and ursef which says jesus is the begotten son of God!!! abi reason it well b4 u reply



First born of every creature, frm dat verse it is implied dat jesus is a creature, u are a creature, then why worship creature over CREATOR CREATOR IS FAR GREATER THAN CREATION OR CREATURE AND CANNOT BE COMPARED OR EQUALLED
when the CREATOR himself created evrytin without anybody's help. THE CREATOR does not sleep, eat, drink, die, poo, piss but he has a son?? to take over what when he wud never die, nor tire over his creations.
HE GIVES SUSTENACE WITHOUT ANYBODY'S HELP,
HE MAINTAINS THE HEAVENS WITHOUT ANYBODY'S HELP

The God that destroyed people who worshipped anything other than Him now turned around and said oya worship my son,(according to you ppl)
is dat not double standards

Or your saying that God now fathered his own son from his own creation,(Mary)
is that not accusing God of incest!!!!
Glory be to God, for he is above all that!!!

alBHAGDADI:
He was God made manifest in flesh. How possible is that?

As possible as God speaking from a burning bush to Moses. As possible as God's power residing in the Ark of the Covenant which inflicted diseases on the Philistines after they stole it.

ibtz:


Lol u said "try to divide THEM up like they some several gods"

i believe in English grammar, THEM is used for multiple entities not singular ONE.
IT is christians dat say 1 is 3 and say it is 1. who is doing d division

And i believe dat guy u replied quoted dis
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Colossians:1:15

First born of every creature, frm dat verse it is implied dat jesus is a creature, u are a creature, then why worship creature over CREATOR CREATOR IS FAR GREATER THAN CREATION OR CREATURE AND CANNOT BE COMPARED OR EQUALLED

when the CREATOR himself created evrytin without anybody's help. THE CREATOR does not sleep, eat, drink, die, shit, piss but he has a son?? to take over what when he wud never die, nor tire over his creations.
HE GIVES SUSTENACE WITHOUT ANYBODY'S HELP,
HE MAINTAINS THE HEAVENS WITHOUT ANYBODY'S HELP

The God that destroyed people who worshipped anything other than Him now turned around and said oya worship my son,(according to you ppl)
is dat not double standards

Or your saying that God now fathered his own son from his own creation,(Mary)
is that not accusing God of incest!!!!

Glory be to God, for he is above all that!!!

jnfoage:

How many Gods do we have in existence now? This is what I asked, I didn't ask for the circumstances under which Jesus was born? Was Adam born the way of other humans? Is he also a God?

JimaeChinko:



You can never glorify God when you dishonour his Son.

You are only a joke. I wanted to take my time to correct your erroroneous reasoning but I re-read your gibberish above and I understood that you have not a single understanding of who God is. You think you have but you don't. A case of an individual who is sick spiritually but thinks he is well and okay. The Words of Jesus in John5:39 readily comes to mind: "You study the Scriptures because you think that in them you will find eternal life. And these very Scriptures speak about ME! 40. Yet you are not willing to come to ME in order to have Life.

You can not possibly read the same scripture or the sayings of Jesus same way I did and spew the gibberish you wrote up there pretending you know God.

The problem is you do this in ignorance. I don't want to mention to you the verbatim words of Christ of the kind of crude Judgement that will come upon people like you on the date of Judgement because the gibberish you spewed up there is only a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and his work in the hearts of those who have readily come to Christ but won't be able to because of a belief in the type of gibberish You spewed above. This is no joke.

Go back and re-read the Bible properly and come back let's discuss the very sayings of God's Son OR you Can continue spewing "fables" from Scholars who have lost the path.

benji93:

I am a christian but i do not assume Jesus is God. So can you now think of a deeper meaning of the clause, given the clarity. You do not seem to understand my point too, you should read my text again, And there was no cotradiction in my text. You would have to be a son to be considered a first born. And i never asserted that Jesus is not one of God's creation, if you notice, i used the phrase " it could mean".Be careful to understand the context of an argument before replying. 1st John 3 refers to us as the children of God, In mathew 12 vs 50, Jesus refers to us indirectly as Sons and Daughters of God, so i was alluding to this description of believers, in my description of Paul's statement in collosians. God assumes all glory, and has the authority to confer the status of son on whomever, he does as it pleases him, he can decide to reason with man, likewise he can decide not to.He owes us no justification for his deeds, we are his creation. Just as he commanded light to exist from nothing, he said let it be and he was. The voice of god referred to him as his son, and that we must listen to him.The quran attests to the miracle of his birth, why would the event of his birth be different from that of the prophets before him or after him? Jesus was brought up in the amongst man, but he was not a man.His birth attests to that.

DavidEsq:

Hell! My argument was that they ain't the same. Drop that joint, pls and drink water. It's messing with u head.

Vecto:


lol weren't you saying God and Jesus had to be the same because they shared similar titles?

No joint. Maybe it's someone else.

fabre4:




One God three personality

Just like VP in sec skl there is VP special duty, VP administration and VP academics but the difference is they come together to form one

alBHAGDADI:


It is common these days to see people posing a question to Christians on social media and even in debates with the question always in one same manner. The question usually comes from Atheists, Jews, Muslims and even heretic Christians. They wonder why we see Jesus as God and worship him.

So they ask "Show me Where Jesus said "I am God worship me?" in those exact words.

You might become confused at this moment if you are not smart. Yes, you know you can't find anywhere in the Bible where Jesus said such in those exact words, so you might be quick to quote some classical verses that show Jesus Christ is God.

Well, the person asking that question has been trained in such a way that no matter the amount of verses you quote, he won't believe you unless you show him where Jesus said "I am God worship me" in those exact words. Now he has boxed you in the "exact words" corner. The only way you can get out is to pull him into the corner to make him see how stupid it is dealing with exact words. I bet you, he will be the one to open the door for the both of you to leave the corner once he realises how stupid it is. How do you do that? You flip the question back at him. You say...

"I'll be willing to show where Jesus said 'I am God worship me' in those exact words only if you can show me where he said 'I am only a prophet, do not worship me' in those exact same words. At that moment, he will start to realise the error of requesting for exact same words. To stamp it on him, if he's a Muslim that believes according to the Quran that Jesus was born of a virgin, then ask him to show you in the Quran or Bible where Jesus said "I am born of a virgin" in those exact same words. If he can't, then it means his belief that Jesus was born of a virgin is false.

The idea behind the above is to ensure you are not dealing with exact words. If the Jew, atheist, Muslim or heretic Christian can't show you anywhere in the Bible or Quran or any book where Jesus said these exact words "I am only a prophet, do not worship me" or "I am born of a virgin", then it means he shouldn't require of you to show him where Jesus said the exact same words "I am God worship me".

Once you have passed that, you can now ask a more reasonable question.

WHERE AND HOW DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD?

According to the Jews, Christians and Muslims, there are certain claims only God can make. All 3 religious beliefs hold the same view about God in that regard. That is why I am going to use the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Quran to see if Jesus made claims that only God can make.

1. Who is the "First and the Last"?

Let's start by quoting the Quran

Sura 57:3
He is the FIRST and the LAST, and the Outward (His signs appear on all His creatures) and the Inward (Hidden). And He is the All-Knower of everything.

Now let's read from the Old Testament

Isaiah 44:6
New International Version
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the FIRST and I am the LAST; apart from me there is no God.

Since both the Quran and the Bible agree that God is the First and the Last, should a prophet refer to himself as such? But that is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below.

Revelations 1:17-18
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the FIRST and the LAST. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Can you tell us what Jesus meant when he took a title that can only be applied to God and applied it to himself? If he wasn't claiming to be God, then what was he doing?

alBHAGDADI:
If you were opportune to be alive when Jesus was teaching His disciples, would you have believed if He had said He was the Father? No, you won't have cos the Father you've heard of is so glorious that uncountable angels sing His praise. You won't believe cos Jesus was right there with you eating and talking, perhaps wearing the same kind of shirt as yours. It's so cos He left His glory in heaven just to save you. He didn't come with His glory, so it was difficult to accept Him as God.

John 1:10-11
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.


But a time is coming when you will see that same Jesus coming with His glory, fear will catch you.

Luke 21:27
26 Men will faint from fear and anxiety over what is coming upon the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

ibtz:

Lol, that gibberish is reasonable and u know it. Truth can never have contradictions. Oh and i have a very good understanding who God is. He is ONE(not 2 or 3), the Creator, the First, the LAST, the Absolute, The Beneficient, The Merciful, The Sustainer, The Wise, The All-knowing, The All-Seeing, Master of the Day of Judgment, the God of Adam, Abraham, Noah, Isaac, Ishmael, David, Solomon. HIS Glory unto no other.

There is no other god But God and Muhammad is his Messenger!!!

you can cry over that!!!!

fabre4:




One God three personality

Just like VP in sec skl there is VP special duty, VP administration and VP academics but the difference is they come together to form one

ibtz:

Dude that is not tempting God!!! what is tempt
(transitive) To provoke someone to do wrong, especially by promising a reward; to entice.

so if satan is trying to turn job to evil, and God is trying to keep job Good, where is the temptation

from the definition of tempt
satan cannot entice God to do wrong u hear!!!!
satan can only entice man

abi let me ask you, can satan entice God or a part of God to do wrong.

if your answer is yes, dat means d human nature of jesus supersedes his divine nature. Dazz d meaning!!!

Now what do u have to say to that?

JimaeChinko:


You mean the PERVERT PEDOPHILE PROPHET MUHAMMAD who married Aisha at SIX(6) and also repeatedly also broke All the supposed revelations he got from Allah each time he wanted to satisfy his PERVERSE SEXUAL MISCONDUT with ZAYNAB BINT JAHSH(THE WIFE OF HiS ADOPTED SON ZAID IBN HARITHA) and the rest of his Eleven(11) Wives and Concubines(as against the supposed the 4wives he instructed you guys to strictly have).

Sura 33:51- You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive whom you will. And WHOMSOEVER you DESIRE (her turn temporarily), it is no sin on you(to receive her again), that is better; that they may be comforted and not grieved, and may all be pleased with what you give them (different Kamasultra). Allah Knows what is in your hearts (Perversion). And Allah is Ever All-Knowing, Most Forbearing.

Even the SIX(6) year Old AISHA (HIS FAVOURITE WIFE BECAUSE HER VULVA AS A YOUNG GIRL WAS MORE TIGHT FOR HIS SMALL DICK THAN THE ONES OF HIS ADULT WIVES) that YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR THE PERVERT PEDOPHILE PROPHET MUHAMMAD RAPED AND DEFIED had more SENSE than your Pervert Pedophile Prophet Muhammad when she told him:

"I FEELTHAT YOUR ALLAH(LORD) HASTENS IN FULFILLING YOUR WISHES AND DESIRES(How ever perverse they might be). (al-Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 311).


I guess if your pervert pedophile Prophet had wanted a sexual male relationship. He would gotten a New revelation from ALLAH for it. How are we sure he didn't have one because it's known from the Hadiths that he was a CROSS-DRESSER who loved to wear the female clothes of Aisha( I just can't imagine his walk-steps. He probably had ones like Bobrisky's own).

Your pervert pedophile Prophet Muhammad was denied sex after Hafsa who conspired with the other wives to deny him that because of how he could not control himself when Hafsa was away and instead raped Mary the Christian Coptic Slave.

He quickly justified his perverse desire with Mary with a new revelation from Allah in
Sura 66:1: O Prophet! Why do you ban(for yourself) that which allah has made lawful for you.

And to add insult to injury, Allah chastises Aisha and Hafsa for condemning Pervert pedophile Prophet Muhammad for having sex with Mary the Christian slave girl. Sura 66:3-5:

And (remember) when the prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives(Hafsah), so when she told it(to another i.e Aisha), and Allah(his accomplice in crime) made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her(Hafsah) thereof, she said: "who told you this?" He said: "The All-Knower, the All-Aware(Allah) has told me". If you two(wives of the pervert Prophet, namely 'Aisha and Hafsah'turn in repentance to Allah, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the prophet likes), but if you help one another against him(Muhammad), then verily, Allah is his Maula(Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc), and Jibrael(a demon not the real Gabriel we know from the Jews), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers. It may be if he divorced you (all) that His Allah will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims(who submit to God), believers, obedient to Allah, turning to Allah in repentance, worshipping Allah sincerely, fasting or emigrants(for Allah's sake), PREVIOUSLY MARRIED AND VIRGINS.

Just look at the mindset and kinds of revelations your pervert pedophile Prophet Muhammad gets whenever he seeks to fulfill his perverse sexual desires. I could go ON&ON pointing out the perverse and depraved mindset of your Role Model Pervert Pedophile Prophet Muhammad. I put it to you(one of his head-slamming adherent) that MOST MUSLIMS IF THEIR LIVES are compared with that of their Pervert Prophet Muhammad that THEY LIVE MORE RIGHTEOUS than Him and this is the Man you guys choose to follow over the WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST who repeatedly said and proved that HE IS THE SON OF GOD in WORDS and DEEDS.

Isaiah comes to mind about people who have eyes but can not see. A people who are so rebellious lacking understanding who seek to go after their ways thinking they do this in service to the true God. I pray that you come to the real truth. Like I said before. This is no joke. You lack understanding.

Go read then come back so we can debate more.

Vecto:


Humans don't preexist their birth. I was once a modalist and I can assure; I've studied all verses in the scripture which a trinitarian would use when trying to prove literal preexistence.

Figurative preexistence seems plausible judging by the number of times its used in the bible.

sweetjohn:
God is not trying to keep Job good, Job was good already hence why God was proud of him. God was happy with Job for his (Job) self righteousness, the devil was not happy that God was happy, hence he tried to spoil the mood of God, he did that by challenging God of Job faithfulness and righteousness to him (God), my dear this is a temptation to me and please you are not 100% correct of your definition of temptation. Temptation has many definitions some of which is trying to make some one angry, it could also be inflicting hardship on someone, it could also be forcing someone to do what you want, it could be persecution, it could also be threatening someone, it could also be arguing unnecessary with someone superior (or more knowledgeable) than you, it could also be twisting some one words to test their patient, etc etc etc... Another example where Satan tempted the patient of God is in the garden of Eden, God told Adam and Eve "the day you eat of this fruit, you shall die" but Satan counters that and told them "you will not die but instead be as wise as God". Do you even know the meaning of Satan; one of it meaning is opposing God, and why must he always oppose God? because he want to get to him... simplicito. Look at it God is love, Satan is hate, God is good, Satan is not just bad but evil, God gives live, Satan brings death and destruction. And that is one of the prove that Jesus is God (John 10:10). So my dear, forget this crap of can God be tempted, yes he can, in fact have been severally: in our world today a lot of people are tempting God some so called Christain included, when you take a life you can't create in the name of holy Jihad or any other means, you are tempting God, our politicians are tempting God, all terrorist group are tempting God, all fornicators are tempting God, all atheist are tempting God.. to crown it all, God said to Paul "why persecutest thou me" Act 9:4-5. God is tempted all the time but one thing you should know is that he will always triumph.

ibtz:


Now u dont understand d verses, u falsely quote verses, u cherrypick without giving sight to preceding and next verses where conditions are always stated.

Now i am going to show that there is no contradiction. but u cant prove yours to me

In order:
this is Quran 19:67 Does the human being not remember that We created him before, when he was nothing?
[Quran, 19:67] created him
when he was nothing, the Quran did not say he was created from nothing.

Did God not create Adam from clay?
What were u created frm, a sperm that became a clot of blood (congealed)in your mothers womb? So yes the Quran can say sperm and still say clot because sperm turned into clot, so they are d same thing. are they contradicting.. it is merely stages.

this is Quran 52:35

Or were they created out of nothing? Or are they the creators?
[Quran, 52:35]



2. this is Quran 9:3
this is And a proclamation from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage, that Allah has disowned the polytheists, and so did His Messenger. If you repent, it will be better for you. But if you turn away, know that you cannot escape Allah. And announce to those who disbelieve a painful punishment.
[Quran, 9:3]

this is d next verse Quran 9:4


Except for those among the polytheists with whom you had made a treaty, and did not violate any of its terms, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill the treaty with them to the end of its term. Allah loves the righteous.
[Quran, 9:4]

(can u see now that u cherry pick without giving sight to d next or previous verse, dat is what isis, alqaeda do, maybe u are one of dem)

Now u need to understand that the polytheists(arab pagans) violated the treaty in existence, dat is why dis next verse was revealed. and still the previous verse holds ground

Quran 9:5
When the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them. And capture them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayers, and pay the alms, then let them go their way. Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.
[Quran, 9:5]

Before u say jack, dis is d next verse, another condition Quran 9:6

And if anyone of the polytheists asks you for protection, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allah; then escort him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
[Quran, 9:6]

How can there be a treaty with the polytheists on the part of Allah and His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at the Sacred Mosque? As long as they are UPRIGHT with you, be UPRIGHT with them. Allah loves the pious.
[Quran, 9:7]
can u see i highlighted upright, dat is anoda condition meaning if they dont fight u, dont fight them.. any contradiction

Quran 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the
Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath
been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even
if they are) of the People of the Book, until
they pay the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).

Please if u owe tax in lagos abi land use, wud LIRS or FIRS not fight u and subdue you till u pay the tax.

mind u jizya is a tax levied on a non muslim under the protection of a muslim government. if u dont pay your tax, u wud be subdued into paying it shikeena.
The Prophet(S.A.W) lived among jews and christians in medina. now u know if u did not know.

Quran 39:12
And I was commanded to be the first of those who submit.”
[Quran, 39:12]
Those who submit among his people (arabs) because he is not the first to believe in One God, and the Quran did not say first of those who submit amongst d whole of mankind.


And when Moses came to Our appointment, and his Lord spoke to him, he said, “My Lord, allow me to look and see You.” He said, “You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it stays in its place, you will see Me.” But when his Lord manifested Himself to the mountain, He turned it into dust, and Moses fell down unconscious. Then, when he recovered, he said, “Glory be to you, I repent to you, and I am the first of the believers.”
[Quran, 7:143]

same thing first to believe among his people, Quran did not say first of the whole mankind. Noah believed in One God before him.

What is Islam? Is the Belief and submission to One God, belief in his Prophets, his books, his angels(b4 u twist dis, it is belief in their existence), to give zakat(obligatory, very compulsory) out of your wealth, establish 5 daily prayers, embark on hajj(pilgrimage) only if u have d means i.e money and sustenace for your family.


Quran 4:48
Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives anything less than that to whomever He wills. Whoever associates anything with Allah has devised a monstrous sin.
[Quran, 4:48]

Yes he does not forgive if they die in disbelief as evident in d following verses of that same chapter

Repentance is available from Allah for those who commit evil out of ignorance, and then repent soon after. These—Allah will relent towards them. Allah is Knowing and Wise.
[Quran, 4:17]. Any kind of evil

But repentance is not available for those who commit evils, until when death approaches one of them, he says, “Now I repent,” nor for those who DIE as disbelievers. These—We have prepared for them a painful torment.
[Quran, 4:18]
can u see it in 4:18.







Pharoah
And We delivered the Children of Israel across the sea. Pharaoh and his troops pursued them, defiantly and aggressively. Until, when he was about to drown, he said, “I believe that there is no god except the One the Children of Israel believe in, and I am of those who submit.”
[Quran, 10:90]



Now? When you have rebelled before, and been of the mischief-makers?
[Quran, 10:91]

u see That God did not accept his repentance because he said in Quran 4:18

But repentance is not available for those who commit evils, until when death approaches one of them, he says, “Now I repent,” nor for those who die as disbelievers. These—We have prepared for them a painful torment.
[Quran, 4:18]






this is Quran 10:92
Today We will preserve your body, so that you become a sign for those after you. But most people are heedless of Our signs.
[Quran, 10:92]
i mean those verses are clear enough to any logical minded person.
And i am very sure it is dead bodies that are preserved not living ones!!!

Finally the last one

This is Quran 5:90


O you who believe! INTOXICANTS, gambling, idolatry, and divination are abominations of Satan’s doing. Avoid them, so that you may prosper.
[Quran, 5:90]

i capitalized intoxicants, please let me ask you are all wines alcholic

i am pretty sure that there are non alcoholic wines and beverages in this world. abi wetin b fruit wine

if u dont understand English, thus is Quran 47:15

The likeness of the Garden promised to the righteous: in it are rivers of pure water, and rivers of milk forever fresh, and rivers of wine delightful to the drinkers, and rivers of strained honey. And therein they will have of every fruit, and forgiveness from their Lord. Like one abiding in the Fire forever, and are given to drink boiling water, that cuts-up their bowels?
[Quran, 47:15]

do u see intoxicant wine or alcoholic wine in the verses u quoted

any contradictions


I have refuted and made clear all your claims satisfactory and logically, but u cant and have not refuted mine, what u give is "we should believe even though there are contradictions".

But truth never has contradictions it was always plain truth.. TAINK YOU. LOL!!!