vannessa7:


I came across this thread while researching for my book, I will say this, Jesus said by their fruits you shall know them, I was a Christian minister for 20 years but now a Muslim, from my experience I will tell you the idea that Jesus is God is ludicrous, that is why many Christians are still in bondage, worshipping Jesusvas God is idolatry and breaking of the first commandment, when I was a Christian I was totally under satanic bondage for many years and only received total deliverance after I converted to Islam although I was totally dedicated to God while a Christian, born again and everything, the churches that enjoy the divine manifestation of God most are those ones with God in their name such as rccg and assembly of God though they don't pray that much, you will hear Pastor Adeboye praying directly to God saying "father " in Islam the entire focus is on God and its about holiness, your soul is sanctified so evil cannot dwell there unless you are dirty or breaking laws of God, its like you are out of bound to the devil as much as you do your prayers, as for the trinity doctrine its never found in the bible, google is your friend search for the origin of trinity in the church, you will see it was invented long after Jesus, the wealthiest nation in the world is a Muslim nation, the nation with the lowest rate of cancer is an Islamic nation while the highest rate is Christian nation, our Hausa Muslims here be practicing Islam like something bad,giving Islam bad name, its not like that in other Islamic nation who embrace education and are enlightened, Christian minister be telling you ancestral curses are your problem, if you are really in another covenant you should not be subject to ancestral covenant after all old things are pass away but its like you exchange one idol for another you are still subject to the former idol because the devil knows all the laws of God and knows when you worship any creature instead of the creator you are still with him, I only experience the reality of being in a covenant with God in Islam, have you not wondered about the contrast in the old testament people s relationship with God and what obtains now, you only need to love God then and you are free from your enemy but not so in Christianity, your enemy even have more power, this is the reason for churches like mfm, I wrote of my conversion in my profile, you can read it up, even Jesus told the devil we are to worship God only and all his miracle he attributed to God. That is the only reason the north still rule us in Nigeria even without education.

Your comment would have being OK if you hadn't delve into religion comparison.

ARE YOU AWARE that Saudi Arabia has the highest number of Pornography watcher in the world world, yet its the headquarter of Islam, where is the Holiness.

Do you know that Same Saudi has hand in ISIS attack of Syria, also presently bully fellow Muslim Country Jordan.

What i gave you is just few of your reverence muslim country, whom you assume that their education made their religion practice better than Nigerians.

Doing adhomen is not my thing so i will leave negative comments.

One thing so sure is God will not hear sinners. But gateway to Salvation and Holiness is through Jesus

GoodMuyis:


Your comment would have being OK if you hadn't delve into religion comparison.

ARE YOU AWARE that Saudi Arabia has the highest number of Pornography watcher in the world world, yet its the headquarter of Islam, where is the Holiness.

Do you know that Same Saudi has hand in ISIS attack of Syria, also presently bully fellow Muslim Country Jordan.

What i gave you is just few of your reverence muslim country, whom you assume that their education made their religion practice better than Nigerians.

Doing adhomen is not my thing so i will leave negative comments.

One thing so sure is God will not hear sinners. But gateway to Salvation and Holiness is through Jesus

Those things you cited are peoples activity and has no correlation with what I said, I'm talking about the inherent provision of the religion, the experience you get by the reason of the covenant of that religion, it has nothing to do with physical activity and no religion can force people to do the right thing, also holiness is by covenant not by activities, it has to do with being able to get in touch with God, a good analogy is the case of King David versus king Saul none of them is a saint but one connected with God better, Islam sanctify you while you need to sing for a long time or fast before you can bring God to your situation in Christianity, its one of the reason why Islamic fasting is easy, you don't need to do much to make that connection with God if you pray 5times daily bowing doing like they do in heaven with the 24elders, 4living creatures , the cherubim and seraphim and all the host of heaven.
There are many dedicated "sinless" christians who are still under satanic bondage, i was one because i did everything biblically yet God eluded me, unless you dont have any strong enemy then you will not realise the many loopholes of Christianity, At best Christianity is a permissive will and not the perfect will of God, that is why 500 years after Christ God provided an alternative because of the many pitfalls of Christianity, my opinion though, there is no perfect religion because there are areas of weakness in all religion but being able to get Godveasily helps. Experience is truly the best teacher, I have experience the two worlds intensely and I know the difference

vannessa7:

Islam sanctify you while you need to sing for a long time or fast before you can bring God to your situation in Christianity, its one of the reason why Islamic fasting is easy, you don't need to do much to make that connection with God if you pray 5times daily bowing doing like they do in heaven with the 24elders, 4living creatures , the cherubim and seraphim and all the host of heaven.

The comment above expose that you have being a wrong Christian for so long before you de-convert. Sanctification is not obtained by fasting/Worship (Salat) what sanctifies man is the Grace of God that produce the life of Christ in man.


There are many dedicated "sinless" christians who are still under satanic bondage, i was one because i did everything biblically yet God eluded me, unless you dont have any strong enemy then you will not realise the many loopholes of Christianity, At best Christianity is a permissive will and not the perfect will of God, that is why 500 years after Christ God provided an alternative because of the many pitfalls of Christianity, my opinion though, there is no perfect religion because there are areas of weakness in all religion but being able to get Godveasily helps. Experience is truly the best teacher, I have experience the two worlds intensely and I know the difference[/quote]

The second part still reiterating the above paragraph. All my life I have live above 20yrs and have not fasted up to 1000, and God did not eluded me from His divine plan. My Mom and one of my Aunt were the strongest and devoted muslim in our extended family and were the 1st two accept Christ and their Testimony was that; their conversion is by Christ himself not man preaching to them. After years of vision, they yield.

If to say Christianity has pitfall, Islam CAN NEVER be God's solution because the flaws in Islam itself would not allow such.

Knowing God through Jesus is the Way out

JimaeChinko:



I get it.

I get it that you are currently applying the concept of TAQIYYA and KITMAN. A practice where you Muslims (Head Slammers) lie to cover the perverse lifestyle of your Pervert Pedophile Prophet Muhammad who will lead you all down to Hell. If you fail to repent.

You see I am direct unlike you guys that claim to regard Jesus but really disrespect him. I wonder the highest form of insults you can give a man when he tells you directly who he is(history) but you Head Slammers disregard his very words and take the word of a Pedophile who came hundred of years after Jesus over the words of Jesus himself. I guess we can all call that "Respect"?!!,right?...


You see how you turn all of the Suras I quoted on it's head in other to make it pleasant for your Pedophile Prophet Muhammad. Some Naive individuals reading your interpretation of those Suras and Hadiths will believe your lies as they really have not studied these things like some of us have done. Is it not pathetic that you Head Slammers have to keep putting up all sorts of pathetic explanations (lies) in other to make it sound pleasant the very glaring perverse life the Pervert Pedophile Prophet Muhammad lived?

I understand this all. If you guys are not denying the clear historical fact that Aisha was Six(6)years Old when the Pervert Pedophile Prophet Muhammad raped and married her then you guys are explaining that the Pervert Pedophile Prophet Muhammad was actually favouring women when he Objectified them. How wonderful what you guys have to put up with just about anything unreasonable just to remain Head Slammers.

Any Sane and Logical person after seeing all of these historical evidences on the perverse life of legacy the Pervert Pedophile Prophet Muhammad handed to you guys would easily be ashamed, be convinced that this Pervert was no Prophet. This is the person whom you guys put in same league as JESUS (Isah) as prophets. What an insult to Jesus and to think there is a contradiction in your books that regard Jesus as the al-Masih (Arabic for MESSIAH).

When the life of the Pervert Prophet Muhammad is up for comparison. It pales in comparison to how the Son of God (al-Masih (Messiah) who came with the al-Injil (Gospel) ) lived.


Be truthful to your soul for once.


You swear allegiance to a Pervert Pedophile Prophet who carried out all sorts of Genocide and Murders against the Son of God who truly lived peacefully whom you are supposed to truly love and believe like he said he said you should and you claim to respect. Well you Head Slammers are not the first to regard him as a Prophet when he clearly said he was more than that. See
John 7:40-44: Some of the people in the crowd heard him say this and said, "This man is really the Prophet!"
41. Others said, "He is the Messiah!"


Now compare that to the life of Rapist Murderer who conferred on himself the title of a Prophet.

Sahih Bukhari (50:369)- Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Pervert Prophet Muhammad 's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This does the victim out of his fitness, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered.


Does this connote a real Prophet If your reasoning is sound?. I can continuously go on citing instances where the Pervert Pedophile Prophet Muhammad uses lying and deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and he murders them while pretending to seek peace. He also used this against Usayr Ibn Zarim, one of the leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, who survived his tribe's genocide and eviction from Medina by the Muslims. He and his thirty companions were brutally slaughtered after the Pervert Prophet Muhammad invited them for Peace talks.


Compare that to Jesus (Isah) whom by even Islamic standard was considered to have born a "Pure boy" without Sin. We know from history that there are some earliest Muslim traditions and conflicting reports regarding Jesus's death. Even though today, the concept of Taqiyya and Kitman i.e lying and omission are applied to say that Jesus didn't die.


We also see how the Pervert Prophet Muhammad plagiarised various pre-islamic books pointing them out as his revelations. A notable example is the Jesus speaking from Cradle, a miracle description thing he copied from a Syriac Infancy Gospel book(a pre-islamic sixth century work). He didn't complie the Al'koran as Utman did.


I bet you never knew that Muhammad didn't regard the Bible as corrupted but it was a writer named Abd al-Jabbar ibn Ahmed who stared these lies.

PART 1.

For some reason, i could not quote this your post since 2 days ago. For some reason, everytime i posted i was banned!!!
i have to use alternate account.
Why Why Why!!! why are u inventing lies like this?
Do u know what taqiyya is?

TAQIYYA is when you hide your religious identity when u confront a danger to your life(death) because of your religion. This is appalling!!!!
How did i turn verses on its head!!! You are the one who sickly interprets verses without giving sight to previous and next verses that state conditions. because of your natural hate disposition, u are just looking 4 every turn to demonize Islam, to make your own look right, when i have showed u in your reasoning of your doctrine, contradictions, falsehood, lies. But what do u do, u resort to insults and fabricating lies about d prophet.

I have already explained the Marriage of Aisha, with verses of age and maturity but no!!! u still continue to deny in your ignorance. Of course when there are numerous contradictions in the bible and u believe them, y wont you concoct lies to suit yourself.
Anybody reading this should pick up the Quran himself/herself and read with reasoning and see if there are any contradictions. if u don't understand, ask a person of knowledge in the field(imam).

GoodMuyis:


The comment above expose that you have being a wrong Christian for so long before you de-convert. Sanctification is not obtained by fasting/Worship (Salat) what sanctifies man is the Grace of God that produce the life of Christ in main.


There are many dedicated "sinless" christians who are still under satanic bondage, i was one because i did everything biblically yet God eluded me, unless you dont have any strong enemy then you will not realise the many loopholes of Christianity, At best Christianity is a permissive will and not the perfect will of God, that is why 500 years after Christ God provided an alternative because of the many pitfalls of Christianity, my opinion though, there is no perfect religion because there are areas of weakness in all religion but being able to get Godveasily helps. Experience is truly the best teacher, I have experience the two worlds intensely and I know the difference

The second part still reiterating the above paragraph. All my life I have live above 20yrs and have not fasted up to 1000, and God did not eluded me from His divine plan. My Mom and one of my Aunt were the strongest and devoted muslim in our extended family and were the 1st two accept Christ and their Testimony was that; their conversion is by Christ himself not man preaching to them. After years of vision, they yield.

If to say Christianity has pitfall, Islam CAN NEVER be God's solution because the flaws in Islam itself would not allow such.

Knowing God through Jesus is the Way out

Saying I was a wrong Christian is a presumption on your part because you have no basis to say that, I'm very sure I was a better Christian than you, bread and butter Christian who have everything handed over to them on a platter will not appreciate what Christian having challenges are going through, I will advise you to ask your pastor what the purpose of the praise and worship before every service is meant for, I also converted to Islam through series of revelations that span several years before I yielded and my husband is a former pastor who also converted to Islam after serious revelations.
Historically Christian nations have been known to abandon the church or its doctrine while Islamic nation wax stronger, England is fast becoming an Islamic nation even though they took Christianity to many part of the world
http://yournewswire.com/london-churches-mosques/
http://yournewswire.com/london-churches-mosques/

It could be that they know something that the likes of you don't realise that Islam is the future, its the fastest growing religion, you have had it easy even though you are not big on fasting so also are many atheist and idolaters, this is what those nations that abandoned the church have realised knowing there is hardly any difference between them and those who were not christian and I can bet you Nigeria is getting there, it is those of us who were not fortunate to be overlooked by the devil that need a way of gettiing to God that actually work, and also forge that necessary relationship with our maker that makes it easy to achieve peaceful eternity

You must be in the league of God to emphasize that Islam can never be Gods solution, brainwashed by pastors who make claims about Islam without any attempt to find out what really goes on there.

vannessa7:


Saying I was a wrong Christian is a presumption on your part because you have no basis to say that, I'm very sure I was a better Christian than you, bread and butter Christian who have everything handed over to them on a platter will not appreciate what Christian having challenges are going through, I will advise you to ask your pastor what the purpose of the praise and worship before every service is meant for, I also converted to Islam through series of revelations that span several years before I yielded and my husband is a former pastor who also converted to Islam after serious revelations.
Historically Christian nations have been known to abandon the church or its doctrine while Islamic nation wax stronger, England is fast becoming an Islamic nation even though they took Christianity to many part of the world
http://yournewswire.com/london-churches-mosques/
http://yournewswire.com/london-churches-mosques/

It could be that they know something that the likes of you don't realise that Islam is the future, its the fastest growing religion, you have had it easy even though you are not big on fasting so also are many atheist and idolaters, this is what those nations that abandoned the church have realised knowing there is hardly any difference between them and those who were not christian and I can bet you Nigeria is getting there, it is those of us who were not fortunate to be overlooked by the devil that need a way of gettiing to God that actually work, and also forge that necessary relationship with our maker that makes it easy to achieve peaceful eternity

You must be in the league of God to emphasize that Islam can never be Gods solution, brainwashed by pastors who make claims about Islam without any attempt to find out what really goes on there.

Dont be confuse about muslim immigrant flooding into England.
Meanwhile something is happening somewhere in Pakistan

GoodMuyis:


Dont be confuse about muslim immigrant flooding into England.
Meanwhile something is happening somewhere in Pakistan

This is not about scoring cheap points as you are obviously trying to do, that picture does not depict anything, its meaningless, let's just call a truce, to each his own

vannessa7:

This is not about scoring cheap points as you are obviously trying to do, that picture does not depict anything, its meaningless, let's just call a truce, to each his own

Are you proving a point to me or trying to argue?
Seems you are confuse on what put forward

The main bone of contention here is found in John 1:1 "in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God" Many claiming Christians concluded that since John an Apostle of Christ pen it down that word was God definitely Jesus is God. So let's do some research! First of all God the Almighty is one person according to Jesus Himself in Mark 12:29 but how come God became two? Well John wrote his gospel account to correct so many misconceptions going on during the first century, an example is what Jesus said concerning John that He has an assignment for John and this will make John live longer. Many early Christians believed that John won't die because of Jesus' statement it was after John has written the last Bible book that God's Holy Spirit directed him to correct this impression in his gospel. John 21:21-23. Now regarding God, there are two Bible characters who both served as God under the direction and support of God the Almighty (1) Moses Exodus 7:1 (2) Jesus John 1:1 There are so many similarities between these two,they both spoke with God directly face to face,they both stayed isolated without food for 40days, they both performed so many mighty works, they both served as mediator for covenant between God and humans, they both set divine standards for their contemporaries, their dead bodies were not found so nobody can say this is their grave. So John said "the word WAS God" because Jesus served as God just as Isaiah foretold(Isaiah 9:6)but presently Jesus is no more serving as God again that's why John used the past tense to explain to faithful people that He serve as God just like Moses who also served as God at a point in time. Deuteronomy 18:15-18 Moses told Israelites that God will still raise another PROPHET like him and the Apostles confirmed that Jesus is that prophet who served as God just like Moses. Act 3:22,7:37

this thed is spiritually educative more pls

Samunique:
Bros did Allah write Quran himself?

Mohammed (SAW) wrote it and God sent it to him because he is a messenger, but in the case if jesus he did not write the bible. The Bible is just based on Mr A saw when he did this, Mr B's father said jesus said this and that Mr C thought he saw that... In as much as i agree with the fact that there is no smoke with out a fire some things might be exaggerated you and i know how stories are, and apart from that the bible wasn't written in English, it was written in Koenic greek, aramic and ancient hebrew... Not all things directly translated from another language to English is right... Try doing it with your tribe and see how funny it sounds... That is why the qur'an is universal... Anywhere you goto in this world the qur'an is the same... I am not trying to tell you to join my religion or to tell u my religion is better because i believe that we don't get to choose the families we are born to and neither can we tell their religion before coming to the world... But u're human and ur brain is ment for you to reason... Use logic in the church and bible, ask your pastor question the best u'll get is that he'll tell u not to ask such questions or he might decide to use English to give u round and round statements until u and him end up being confused...

pressplay411:


Those were specific and temporary manifestations. Now we're saying as Jesus He abandoned his Godly responsibilities to manifest in human form for over 30 years?
While God was existing in the world as Jesus who was ruling over the Heavens?
But I believe like all things religious it's simply faith bound defying sense and reason.

Bros, i think it will make more sense if you'd treat those scriptures and say they don't mean what they say that ask these questions.

iamgenius:


Did you hear yourself at all? You said Jesus is not a representation of God BUT GOD HIMSELF, and you are now saying JESUS IS NOT THE ENTIRE GID HIMSELF. Read what youwrite again and tell me if you made any sense.

If you say Jesus is part of God, now tell me God consist of how many parts?

Shouldn't you disprove the written Word?

Anas09:

Bros, i think it will make more sense if you'd treat those scriptures and say they don't mean what they say that ask these questions.

That post was about a year ago. A lot has transpired since then. A lot of Grace, Salvation, Knowledge and Understanding.

The concept of trinity is one that is inconceivable to the senses. But it is just as aptly defined in 1 Timothy 3:16.
"And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit Seen by angels, Preached among gentiles, Believed on by the world, Received up in glory."

If you believe youre a tripartite of body, mind and soul, and you believe that you're created in the likeness of God, then it shouldn't be so difficult to understand the Trinity of God.

Dwelling among us as Christ was the body/physical manifestation of God. God the Father never abdicates His throne in Heaven, He was, He is and Forever will be enthroned. Having Conquered Sin and Death and ascended into Glory in Christ the body, the Spirit of God now fills the earth. Meaning we have been enabled to attain purity for the indwelling of the Spirit of God.

Christianity is deep and every new revelation of the spirit is a like glorious experience.
There's so much to tell you, but I'll rather you let the Holy Spirit show you.
Just seek Him genuinely today. It costs you nothing and you have everything to gain.
Confess you believe in Jesus Christ and let Him do the rest.

pressplay411:


That post was about a year ago. A lot has transpired since then. A lot of Grace, Salvation, Knowledge and Understanding.

The concept of trinity is one that is inconceivable to the senses. But it is just as aptly defined in 1 Timothy 3:16.
"And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit Seen by angels, Preached among gentiles, Believed on by the world, Received up in glory."

If you believe youre a tripartite of body, mind and soul, and you believe that you're created in the likeness of God, then it shouldn't be so difficult to understand the Trinity of God.

Dwelling among us as Christ was the body/physical manifestation of God. God the Father never abdicates His throne in Heaven, He was, He is and Forever will be enthroned. Having Conquered Sin and Death and ascended into Glory in Christ the body, the Spirit of God now fills the earth. Meaning we have been enabled to attain purity for the indwelling of the Spirit of God.

Christianity is deep and every new revelation of the spirit is a like glorious experience.
There's so much to tell you, but I'll rather you let the Holy Spirit show you.
Just seek Him genuinely today. It costs you nothing and you have everything to gain.
Confess you believe in Jesus Christ and let Him do the rest.

Brother, you and i are on the same side. You just said exactly what i shd have said to anyone who have issues with the concept of Trinity.
Thank you very much.

intergral:
Mohammed (SAW) wrote it and God sent it to him because he is a messenger, but in the case if jesus he did not write the bible. The Bible is just based on Mr A saw when he did this, Mr B's father said jesus said this and that Mr C thought he saw that... In as much as i agree with the fact that there is no smoke with out a fire some things might be exaggerated you and i know how stories are, and apart from that the bible wasn't written in English, it was written in Koenic greek, aramic and ancient hebrew... Not all things directly translated from another language to English is right... Try doing it with your tribe and see how funny it sounds... That is why the qur'an is universal... Anywhere you goto in this world the qur'an is the same... I am not trying to tell you to join my religion or to tell u my religion is better because i believe that we don't get to choose the families we are born to and neither can we tell their religion before coming to the world... But u're human and ur brain is ment for you to reason... Use logic in the church and bible, ask your pastor questionq the best u'll get is that he'll tell u not to ask such questions or he might decide to use English to give u round and round statements until u and him end up being confused...

Muhammad wrote the Koran ?
U are the first Muslim to say this, U must be ignorant of your religion.

Pls kindly tell me how he wrote it and the evidence that God really spoke to him (Muhammad) ?

And concerning the bible, I will rather accept the reports of live witnesses who sacrificed and paid the ultimate price (laid down their lives) for what they saw, believed, witnessed and preached than to believe a man (Muhammad) who went to the cave alone and claimed he saw an angel who told him he's a prophet without evidence, other witnesses, miracles or external proofs, and who never died for what he believed but rather killed people for what he preached and his followers are still killing people up till today for him.

I think it is u that need to use your brain here and ask yourself these questions:

1.Why is it that God never spoke to Muhammad directly as He did to the bible prophets but through an angel?

2. What of if that angel was not actually God's angel ?

3.How can I believe he actually met with an angel since there were one to attest to that except what came out of his mouth himself.

4.What is the sign of his prophethood that will convince me he's from God, at least Koran confirmed that Jesus is the Messiah, He was born in a special way, He healed the sick, raised the dead, He was merciful and never took any life unlike your prophet, and God took Him alive to heaven ?
Koran 3:44-49, 4:157-158, 19:19-21.

5.What salvation doest Koran and Islam offer ?

Samunique:
Muhammad wrote the Koran ?
U are the first Muslim to say this, U must be ignorant of your religion.

Pls kindly tell me how he wrote it and the evidence that God really spoke to him (Muhammad) ?

And concerning the bible, I will rather accept the reports of live witnesses who sacrificed and paid the ultimate price (laid down their lives) for what they saw, believed, witnessed and preached than to believe a man (Muhammad) who went to the cave alone and claimed he saw an angel who told him he's a prophet without evidence, other witnesses, miracles or external proofs, and who never died for what he believed but rather killed people for what he preached and his followers are still killing people up till today for him.

I think it is u that need to use your brain here and ask yourself these questions:

1.Why is it that God never spoke to Muhammad directly as He did to the bible prophets but through an angel?

2. What of if that angel was not actually God's angel ?

3.How can I believe he actually met with an angel since there were one to attest to that except what came out of his mouth himself.

4.What is the sign of his prophethood that will convince me he's from God, at least Koran confirmed that Jesus is the Messiah, He was born in a special way, He healed the sick, raised the dead, He was merciful and never took any life unlike your prophet, and God took Him alive to heaven ?
Koran 3:44-49, 4:157-158, 19:19-21.

5.What salvation doest Koran and Islam offer ?

uncle there are prophets who killed even in the bible, are you trying to tell me that they are not true prophets?... Mohammed (SAW) is just a messenger not God, so to talk about legitimacy between the two who do u think sounds fake? The one that claims he received message from God or and the one that claimed he is God? And later died...
Thats very funny... Does it mean that when he died the world stopped? Or like Christians will say he died for our sins? Does it mean that Your So called "god" killed his Son simply because he could not forgive? To prove what? I don't know where you got your proof from that you wasted your time and data on, or it might simply be one Christian that typed it on his blog to confuse you... The Qur'an is for everyone pick it up and read, you don't need a pastor or a degree in theology to decipher it... Or better if you can be this active why no stand up to your pastors and ask them questions about your hungry God that begs his followers by all means for offering and tithe!

@ samunique let me answer your questions
1.Why is it that God never spoke to Muhammaddirectly as He did to the bible prophets but through an angel?

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2. What of if that angel was not actually God'sangel ?

=what the miracles jesus performed where not from God.... Because since the dawn of time there have been people who poses demonic power to perform wonders.. Like the magician that competed with moses.

3.How can I believe he actually met with an angel since there were one to attest to that except what came out of his mouth himself

=you're still asking the same question just like saying, what if i was not born to my family, what it i was white not black, what if i was not a Nigerian, what if jesus didn't actually said that he is God... So you see you don't make any sense and this answer is also for number 1.

.4.What is the sign of his prophethood that will convince me he's from God, at least Koran confirmed that Jesus is the Messiah, He was born in a special way, He healed the sick, raisedthe dead, He was merciful and never took any life unlike your prophet, and God took Him alive to heaven ?Koran 3:44-49, 4:157-158, 19:19-21.

=God back and check ur understanding of prophet hood, David is a prophet born and brought up like a normal child... And thank God u said KORAN not QUR'AN... Cos it might be that ur quotes are from there
5.What salvation doest Koran and Islam offer ?
Pick the Qur'an with translation and read it yourself, I've done that to the bible cos religion permits me to read the bible so that i can tell people like you where you flop.

intergral:
Mohammed (SAW) wrote it and God sent it to him because he is a messenger, but in the case if jesus he did not write the bible. The Bible is just based on Mr A saw when he did this, Mr B's father said jesus said this and that Mr C thought he saw that... In as much as i agree with the fact that there is no smoke with out a fire some things might be exaggerated you and i know how stories are, and apart from that the bible wasn't written in English, it was written in Koenic greek, aramic and ancient hebrew... Not all things directly translated from another language to English is right... Try doing it with your tribe and see how funny it sounds... That is why the qur'an is universal... Anywhere you goto in this world the qur'an is the same... I am not trying to tell you to join my religion or to tell u my religion is better because i believe that we don't get to choose the families we are born to and neither can we tell their religion before coming to the world... But u're human and ur brain is ment for you to reason... Use logic in the church and bible, ask your pastor question the best u'll get is that he'll tell u not to ask such questions or he might decide to use English to give u round and round statements until u and him end up being confused...

The prophet Could neither read nor write.

The Quran was written many years after the prophet's death by Ali (I may be wrong about which Khalifa wrote it and the time frame) Educate yourself on your deen before arguing for it. (MY EARS ARE CLOSER TO MY MOUTH, SO THIS GOES FOR ME TOO... AND ALLAH KNOWS BEST)

And see the "perfection" in the so called perfect book


1. What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood ," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding cla y, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust , then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that
We created him before out of nothing ?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop ; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
2. Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
2. "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger , to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,--that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith ," (9:3).
3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them , beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them : for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued ," (9:29).
3. The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam ," (39:12).
2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us , and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
3. "And this was the legacy that
Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam ," (2:132).
4. Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him ; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
2. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them ; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).
5. Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah . Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice:
None can change His words : for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar : Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
4. When We substitute one revelation for another ,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
6. Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
1. "We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam) . (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!
This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh , to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him ," (17:102-103).
7. Is wine consumption good or bad?
1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,--of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine , a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell forever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss : On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed ," (83:22-25).

jnfoage:

Keep deceiving yourself. See contradictions in the book of truth.

and see "perfection" in the so called perfect book
1. What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood ," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding cla y, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust , then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that
We created him before out of nothing ?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop ; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
2. Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
2. "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger , to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,--that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith ," (9:3).
3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them , beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them : for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued ," (9:29).
3. The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam ," (39:12).
2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us , and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
3. "And this was the legacy that
Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam ," (2:132).
4. Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him ; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
2. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them ; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).
5. Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah . Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice:
None can change His words : for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar : Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
4. When We substitute one revelation for another ,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
6. Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
1. "We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam) . (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!
This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh , to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him ," (17:102-103).
7. Is wine consumption good or bad?
1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,--of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine , a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell forever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss : On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed ," (83:22-25).





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Stop that pls, Jesus is not, and can never be God. ....Stop the blasphemy

Vecto:


This is special pleading. Using proof texting, I can simply deify a bunch of folks in the scripture simply because they share the same title with God.
You realize the bible says God is the only saviour but there are other verses in scriptures where God raises other humans as saviours to accomplish his will.

Are u suggesting that Babylon was never a world power?

DavidEsq:
Are u suggesting that Babylon was never a world power?

What has that got to do with what i said?

Vecto:


What has that got to do with what i said?

Then I guess ur reply to me was disjointed and off point.

ecosanders:
Stop that pls, Jesus is not, and can never be God. ....Stop the blasphemy

No! Jesus WAS God at some point in time (John 1:1) Just as Moses was also God at a point in time (Exodus 7:1) But both Moses and Jesus are subjected to the One who gave them the privilege to serve in that office. 1Corinthians 15:28,29 The title God simply connotes a person to be revered, respected, honoured, obeyed. Whereas it could also mean the one someone is worshipping as in number one controller of the person's heart. Therefore living creatures and none living things like Beautiful Women, Handsome men,Money,Position,Luxury or uncontrollable desires like Sex, Food, Drinks, Jewelries etc could become God for an ignorant individual. Colossians 3:5
So both Moses and Jesus served as God at some point in time past but were not to be worshipped as God, the Alfa and omega (first and last) simply means "the first creature to exist through the creation process) Colossians 1:15 Of course when we're talking about the first creature their should come to mind (the Creator) HIMSELF JEHOVAH. Deuteronomy 6:4,5 Mark 12:29,30 Both Moses who served as God. Exodus 7:1 and Jesus who also served as God. John 1:1,14 Directed faithful humans to whom they are to render sacred sacrifice "JEHOVAH " Psalms 83:18 Thank you and God bless you!