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rotecch77:
Something of this nature?
This is turkish made

something like this .

Daboomb:


I am sorry to say, this is the 'typical Nigerian mentality'... the way Fela Anikulapo Kuti put it (Suffering and Smiling Album).

I am even more disappointed in your Lawyer, who should be championing your cause, on a "'Prono Bono" (No Win, No fee) basis.

What is expensive in filling a case at the High Court, against Dangote, for breach of contract?
How much does a filling cost (less than #5,000!) when you already have a Lawyer on ground?

And to think that you are the complainant/plaintiff and Dangote will be the defendant, worse case, they will "settle you out of court", knowing that they have no case. You get paid, your Lawyer also gets paid.

But when everyone is even afraid to 'make a move', even when it is obvious they cannot lose, how then will their rights not get trampled upon and their abusers get away with it?
Ordinary people are too concerned with daily bread, even when that daily bread is unjustly taken away from them, they will still say "let me look for another one, that one is taken away (there is always a ready-made excuse, not to fight for their rights) .... instead of fighting to get it back!
Some so called "exposed" will even concur with you, despite all their shakara about America and the liberty they have there, talk of speaking from both sides of the mouth.

Well, what l dont want or like is VICTIMS LAMENTING.... when they can and should have been taking some LEGAL ACTION. Even banding together and taking Class Action is an option
But then, if your Lawyer, a supposed trained legal mind, is already discouraging you by sowing "fear of non-existing expenses" in your mind, what do we expect?

Nigeria is not a shit-hole, most of the people are shit-heads.

God bless Gani Fawehinmi, in his grave.

Chai, you rightly summarized why millions of Nigerians are smiling and suffering, if you scroll back to when we talked about the lagos property tax, I talked about going to court, it is still in the offing though, my university classmates are lawyers in Nigeria - lagos and they also have properties in lagos and they have formed a powerful cartel to drag the lagos state government to court if they come up with their kangaroo silly property tax.

I have asked them to include me in the group, it is time this useless pharaohaic government is sued, , when I provide all the social infrastructures myself, let the court be the arbiter and not these shylock government, I, totally agree with your position as usual, well delivered and spot on.

AngelicBeing:
Chai, you rightly summarized why millions of Nigerians are smiling and sufferings, if you scroll back to when we talked about the lagos property tax, I talked about going to court, it is still in the offing though, my university classmates are lawyers in Nigeria - lagos and they also have properties in lagos and they have formed a powerful cartel to drag the lagos state government to court if they come up with their kangaroo silly property tax.

I have asked them to include me in the group, it is time this useless pharaohaic government is sued, I, totally agree with your position as usual, well delivered and spot on.

You need to understand fighting justice from the average man context in this country. Getting justice is very expensive in this country. Your friends are rich, so they will have the money & connections to drag case with government. But u can't say same for a business man struggling to grow his brand, where will he get the money to be throwing around?
When dammy krane a nigerian artist was arrested in the US, he was given an attorney for free to defend him. That is how cheap fighting justice is abroad, but in Nigeria u need all the money & connections to get justice...Not when names like Dangote is involved, u will just lose the little money u have....Meaning your loss will outweigh the gain in the long run...

Rubbiish:

You need to understand fighting justice from the average man context in this country. Getting justice is very expensive in this country. Your friends are rich, so they will have the money & connections to drag case with government. But u can't say same for a business man struggling to grow his brand, where will he get the money to be throwing around?
When dammy krane a nigerian artist was arrested in the US, he was given an attorney for free to defend him. That is how cheap fighting justice is abroad, but in Nigeria u need all the money & connections to get justice...Not when names like Dangote is involved, u will just lose the little money u have....Meaning your loss will outweigh the gain in the long run...

Ok, l respect your opinion but for me, l have gone through the suing process several times in Nigeria before I left the country, not all cases really drag for long depending on the variables and the nitty-gritty involved.

Once I have a good case, if I can't use my highly placed individuals to seek redress, I will threaten the company to go on several social media to expose them or l consult my lawyer, l will use all the options available to get redress

I posted here few weeks ago how l got back over 4million Naira l paid for a land and the estate company wanted more money with their hidden fees, l used a good highly placed individual in Nigeria even without been on ground, just ordinary email / phone calls from me to my contacts and to the silly company and I got my money back with apologies

lastly, other people who paid are still lamenting and can't get there refund back

twinskenny:
So where in NIGERIA

What are those things?

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


What are those things?

Hajji M.

Prepaid meters l think

mufutau55:


What are those things?

Hajji M.

LOL our prepaid metera

twinskenny:

LOL our prepaid metera

Holy! God save us in Naija o.

Hajji M.

twinskenny:

LOL our prepaid metera

To serve residence or street utilities?

EgunMogaji:


To serve residence or street utilities?

Residence

InvertedHammer:


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It is the oldest trick in the book: Underquotation (price & materials especially if the owner is a penny-pincher) to secure a contract and then come with long stories after you have committed some funds. At that point you are at a point of no return and at the mercy of the artisan.

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My mum is not an artisan. You're making a lot of assumptions about my particular situation. Also wiring is done at the latter stage of a project so I don't know why you're assuming I don't know anything about building. I'm a few steps from completion of a block of flats with no headache so I'm obviously doing something right.

Maybe if some of you calmed down there would be more knowledge sharing instead of posting and people start attacking you. I don't have to have the same experience with you.

And since we're giving unsolicited advice, some of you need to treat your artisans like human beings. Maybe listen to what they're saying and not shut them down like you are trying to do to me, you don't know everything. How and why will I just be looking for an electrician at the wiring stage? All my artisans that came to eat ram at the foundation stage are still with us and they are behaving. I had to post the receipt of my wood for roofing on this thread because awon aiye were arguing about the price. It sucks to be so paranoid when it's not like you're building a skyscraper. Everybody isn't out to get you.

twinskenny:

LOL our prepaid metera

Can't be prepaid. How would they load them? Will people climb up to load card?

oyb:


Can't be prepaid. How would they load them? Will people climb up to load card?

The thing tire me sef.

oyb:


Can't be prepaid. How would they load them? Will people climb up to load card?

it's prepaid sir u don't need to climb to load

Rubbiish:

You need to understand fighting justice from the average man context in this country. Getting justice is very expensive in this country. Your friends are rich, so they will have the money & connections to drag case with government. But u can't say same for a business man struggling to grow his brand, where will he get the money to be throwing around?
When dammy krane a nigerian artist was arrested in the US, he was given an attorney for free to defend him. That is how cheap fighting justice is abroad, but in Nigeria u need all the money & connections to get justice...Not when names like Dangote is involved, u will just lose the little money u have....Meaning your loss will outweigh the gain in the long run...

Let me take us back a bit, to what started this discussion so that we dont lose the context of the arguement (because there are some litigations that are just a waste of time and money, while there are others that are deemed a "jackpot" for the applicant):

- There was an 'offer' by Dangote to sell Cement at a given price and there was an 'acceptance' by the contractor to buy at that price.
- The contract was 'sealed' when the contractor paid for the goods (consideration). He is just awaiting delivery.
- According to the contractor, there was NO CLAUSE in the contract (T & C), to renegotiate or vary the price, after payment.
- The seller (Dangote) just 'uinilaterally' increased the price and refused to "perform the sealed contract" by not supplying the goods.
- Contractor contacted his Lawyer who, against all ethics of theprofession, said he should just swallow it, he cannot win!

That is the scenario and l offered that the Contractor has a good case and his Lawyer should even be happy to sue on his behalf, without collecting a kobo in advance (Prono Bono), while waiting to win the case and get a good cash-out.

Now, anyone with even the most basic knowledge of Contract law, Consumer Law on goods and services, knows that "all things being equal", this is a slam-dunk case that shouldnot even cost you a penny.

Back to your own post:
"Getting Justice" is 'expensive', anywhere in the world! Not just in Nigeria. Infact, go and ask our friend the America man, how much it costs to go through a divorce and he will tell you how expensive litigation is, from his experience, in America and the West in general.
Nigeria also has 'free legal services' for the less priviledged but you have to engage them at your own risk (bribery things)

The more money you have, the more the probability that you can get a good lawyer or a team of lawyers who can spring you from any criminal offense or any charge for that matter.

Having said that, we need to realise, need to understand that "there is always a price to pay, for the good things of life, including a fair and just society! Nothing good, comes free!
All these runaway 'I live in Atlanta, l am a US citizen' people should also realize that what they are enjoying in those foreign countries (where they are times, even treated as a non-entity) was bult on the 'price' paid in "blood and money", by some other 'poor' people like them.
Some 'ordinary persons' sued Walmart, sued Wickes, sued many other companies, for them to be able to respect and adhere to contracts that have been signed.
If those people were lamenting and giving excuses about why they cannot pursue their rights, if they are selfish and self-centred to think only about themselves and their business or what they will eat, those Western countries would not have been the "great, blissful, countries that you all run to".

This is why Nigeria is the way it is: Everyone is not ready to lift a finger, for the benefit of others, they are not ready to make any sacrifice (not for others) even for themselves, so that their future and that of their children can be better and comparable to that of the children of Americans, British, french, Swiss, e.t.c!
No pain, No Gain.

Again, not all court cases need money to start.
If you have a Lawyer who is worth his wig, some cases are taken without down-payment and the Lawyer uses such cases to 'publicise and polish his brand name'.
The money he gets when he wins the case, is where he gets paid from......... but that is for a smart Lawyer who can see that this case is as good as won and he knows what to do to win it, as opposed to just one charge-and-bail, law school failure.
This case is an example because it is just slam-dunk.

No matter how rich Dangote is, he cannot change what is already written down in the contract, even if he tries to influence the court, most judges will advice him to seek an out of court settlement when the case is this so obvious - that is money you just made!

Even the exposed runt that usually brandish America in every discussion and pulls out internet pictures like his friend, and claims his father owns any and everything under discussion is here shaking like a wet hen, when the issue of litigation was mentioned, yet he will be the first to be sounding like 'no one can cheat me and go free'!
I say people should always put their mouth, where their money is...... you can only lie for some time, reality will set-in evnetually.

How can Nigeria improve, how can everyone respect contracts, how can everyone be honest and trustworthy if and when some situations have not been tested and justice sought, to prove that you cannot always get away with murder.
if the family of every murdered victim claims that they cannot go to court to seek Justice because it is expensive to do so, then they should just keep quiet and allow themselves to be murdered and let the assailants get away smilling, to come back another day!

I see a lot of lamenting about willy-nilly increase in the price of iron, Cement, blocks, granite, e.t.c, what do you expect?, when fela says "Them slap your face, you keep quiet they look like monkey".... giving excuses like Mama dey for house, pickin never chop,.... ?

AngelicBeing:
Ok, l respect your opinion but for me, l have gone through the suing process several times in Nigeria before I left the country, not all cases really drag for long depending on the variables and the nitty-gritty involved.

Once I have a good case, if I can't use my highly placed individuals to seek redress, I will threaten the company to go on several social media to expose them or l consult my lawyer, l will use all the options available to get redress

I posted here few weeks ago how l got back over 4million Naira l paid for a land and the estate company wanted more money with their hidden fees, l used a good highly placed individual in Nigeria even without been on ground, just ordinary email / phone calls from me to my contacts and to the silly company and I got my money back with apologies

lastly, other people who paid are still lamenting and can't get there refund back

You always talk sense sha.

The thing is, we are very laid back in Nigeria, the cheaters know this, they know that we dont like to seek redress and will always give a hundred reasons why we should not or cannot.... so they exploit that mentality.

Most times, the slavery is of the mind, self-imposed and not physical!

abike12:


My mum is not an artisan. You're making a lot of assumptions about my particular situation. Also wiring is done at the latter stage of a project so I don't know why you're assuming I don't know anything about building. I'm a few steps from completion of a block of flats with no headache so I'm obviously doing something right.

Maybe if some of you calmed down there would be more knowledge sharing instead of posting and people start attacking you. I don't have to have the same experience with you.

And since we're giving unsolicited advice, some of you need to treat your artisans like human beings. Maybe listen to what they're saying and not shut them down like you are trying to do to me, you don't know everything. How and why will I just be looking for an electrician at the wiring stage? All my artisans that came to eat ram at the foundation stage are still with us and they are behaving. I had to post the receipt of my wood for roofing on this thread because awon aiye were arguing about the price. It sucks to be so paranoid when it's not like you're building a skyscraper. Everybody isn't out to get you.

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Where is all these nonsense you typed coming from?

Paranoia, skyscraper?

Everyone else does not treat the artisans like human beings.

Get your head off your a#ss.

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InvertedHammer:


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Where is all these nonsense you typed coming from?

Paranoia, skyscraper?

Get your head off your a#ss.

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Dude you jumped in my post and started telling me what my situation was and I called you out. You obviously don't like being wrong so you're calling me names. I'm not going there with you. There are some three or four negative nancys on this thread that always have something bad to say whenever I post. What are you people building that we won't hear word? Maybe you are the first in your family line to build house that's why you're so paranoid. Don't worry, by the time you build your 5th one you will relax a little. Go and read Psalm 127 vs 1 and eat your humble pie in peace. It is NOT that difficult to build a house from diaspora.

abike12:


Dude you jumped in my post and started telling me what my situation was and I called you out. You obviously don't like being wrong so you're calling me names. I'm not going there with you. There are some three or four negative nancys on this thread that always have something bad to say whenever I post. What are you people building that we won't hear word? Maybe you are the first in your family line to build house that's why you're so paranoid. Don't worry, by the time you build your 5th one you will relax a little. Go and read Psalm 127 vs 1 and eat your humble pie in peace. It is NOT that difficult to build a house from diaspora.

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Congratulations on your 20th house Ms. Zuckerberg!

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InvertedHammer:


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Congratulations on your 20th house Ms. Zuckerberg!

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Thank you and Amen. You just hate that you were wrong. Only God knows where you people find these artisans that are giving you high bp. Some of una sef no pure. See how you're talking to a stranger.

For a while there I thought it was going to rain but then the rainbow came out

I'm at work this morning and I have some time. Anybody else?

Daboomb:


You always talk sense sha.

The thing is, we are very laid back in Nigeria, the cheaters know this, they know that we dont like to seek redress and will always give a hundred reasons why we should not or cannot.... so they exploit that mentality.

Most times, the slavery is of the mind, self-imposed and not physical!

Oh my gosh, Daboomb, you made me laugh out loud to the extent my colleagues at work are asking me what happened, just look at the horse looking like a fool been held back by a tiny rope and plastic chair, it reminds me of the statute you posted few months ago and a human being was having conversation with the statue, chai, Daboomb thanks a bunch for easing my stress today with your post, reading your post makes my day on here, no dull moment on Nairaland, it implies the donkey represent ignorant humans been held captive by a mere rope

EgunMogaji:
For a while there I thought it was going to rain but then the rainbow came out

You can imagine.

Children of nowadays.

Why a billionaire with many houses will be here "dragging" with kobo kobo penny-pinchers like us beats me.

And I read something like, "my mom is not an artisan"....small pikin wahala. She can invite her mother to share her experience.

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twinskenny:
it's prepaid sir u don't need to climb to load

How do you load the credit?

InvertedHammer:


You can imagine.

Children of nowadays.

Why a billionaire with many houses will be here "dragging" with kobo kobo penny-pinchers like us beats me.

And I read something like, "my mom is not an artisan"....small pikin wahala. She can invite her mother to share her experience.

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How you talk about other people's mothers is a reflection of the respect you have for yours. That is if you even saw mother to train you. I'm waiting for the other agbaya to mention me this morning. Eyin broda 50 with no self respect

abike12:


How you talk about other people's mothers is a reflection of the respect you have for yours. That is if you even saw mother to train you. I'm waiting for the other agbaya to mention me this morning. Eyin broda 50 with no self respect

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You can invite her to share her building experience jn Nigeria if she wants. She is the one with the money and experience. Meanwhile, get back to work.

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InvertedHammer:


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You can invite her to share her building experience jn Nigeria if she wants. She is the one with the money and experience. Meanwhile, get back to work.

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You go dey okay last last. I said what I said Uncle and you will have to deal

abike12:


You go dey okay last last. I said what I said Uncle and you will have to deal

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So I am your uncle now?

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InvertedHammer:


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So I am your uncle now?

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You're the self appointed uncles of the thread. You're the ones that know small pikin. At 50 years old? Domination on an online thread is where you get your validation

abike12:


You're the self appointed uncles of the thread. You're the ones that know small pikin. At 50 years old? Domination on an online thread is where you get your validation

50? Na! That will be my grandson.
Think way above the number. That's why I need your mother's building experience if applicable.

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