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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kennysville(m): 1:29pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
andrew444: You supposed to bring your counter facts. Simple |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:33pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
edi287: Oga, you claimed Liverpool was not playing in the UEFA and Euoropa as at then but fact proved otherwise. Chelsea and Manchester were not in the Champions league last season, are they small clubs? From 2008 - 2010 EPL was viewed the best in the world. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 1:46pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
forgiveness:This was the post you replied to edi287: [/b]I compared Juve of 04 to Liverpool of 11 because that was when they both moved to their respective clubs. As of 2011, Liverpool weren't even in the europa league talk of ucl. You want compare Liverpool of that time to a Juve side that was competing for Serie A and had players like Del Piero, Trez, etc?? Ibra moved to a MUCH better side. Facts![b] Now can you show me where I mentioned Liverpool's Ucl/europa league record from 04 - 10?? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 1:48pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
Martz101: You could only come up with 2 names who who transfered from Africa to a top Euro team. Does this evidence tell you that these bug clubs care about Africans to come scouting here? Dortmund may not have signed someone from Asec but over the years they have got African players who did well for them. You really want to go out of your way to pick on one sentence I made to nail Dortmund as not doing enough scouting or being successful at that with the resources and talent that have come through the club, which is the main point of this discussion. The debate from the beginning wasn't who had the scouting network in Africa, my friend. Don't try and turn this conversation to that. Big clubs don't scout in Africa, every man and his dog knows this. Except we want to be economical with the truth. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 1:50pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
forgiveness:I actually added the world stage if you read my post. If he (Moses) was considered that great going forward, Conte would have had Hazard play as a wing back while Moses takes his place. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 1:52pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
edi287: If Ibrahimovic is world class at Ajax when why not Suarez who scored more goal than him. I don't have all link because it's being long,take a look at the Chelsea link https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/6777610/Ajax-dismiss-Luis-Suarez-move-to-Chelsea.html Do you guys have hate for Suarez? I need to know now so I will stop the arguement If Suarez is not world class at Ajax then who are the players you regard as world class at that level at that time,I guess zlatan and Kezman? And tell me which football club you support so I will know where you are comming from |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 1:57pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
andrew444: YOu dont understand the discussion we were having, this much is clear to me having read through this post of yours. For clarity sake, we are not talking about clubs considered grade c in backwater leagues. We are talking about the very best of the best European clubs. Your Manuchos, Etos and Toures were nothing more than accidental discharges. The big guns scout in South America and Europe. Your Africa is just an after thought. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 2:03pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
goldfish80: Yes the big guns scout in south america and europe because they are better than us. But someone is saying the big guns have never scouted from africa so i am giving an example okay If i am not right then samuel eto is from colombia and manucho and iheanacho is from South Korea 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:03pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
goldfish80: Very funny. Is like telling Messi or Ronaldo to play wing backs. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 2:05pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
forgiveness: BUt he was playing the Messi and Ronaldo position before they converted him to a right back. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 2:07pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
andrew444: Some numbers are pretty much inconsequential. The number of Africans the big clubs get straight from Africa is the definition of inconsequential. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 2:13pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
goldfish80: Bros you wan kill me with grammar? Apart from the African the big clubs got from african direct,we should ask our self how many African has played for those big clubs in the history of football? How many Nigerian Ivorian,Cameroonian Senegalese Egyptian has played for those big clubs? But if you ask your self how many south American has been successful there and you expect them to scout here? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 2:17pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
andrew444:I didn't say Ibra was world class at the Eredivise, I said he was rated higher. Point to where I said Ibra was world class?? I repeat - Luis Suarez was NO WHERE close to being the best striker in the world or even world class for that matter. He was a promising player and that was it. Period!! |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 2:25pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
edi287: Hope you mean then and not now...Because for the past 4 years suarez has been the best striker in the world alongside lewandowski |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 2:38pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
andrew444:Thank God you said the past 4 years and not 8! |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 2:39pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
edi287: Then who was the best striker the past 8 years is it ibra? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 2:44pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
andrew444:Was Suarez the best striker in the world when he was at Ajax?? This is the main argument. You said the last 4 years which actually confirms what I was saying that Suarez only started getting recognized as the best around 2013/14. Why is this argument still going on? Ok let's do this - bring proof that shows Suarez was rated higher than Eto, Drogba, Villa, Lewandowski, Rooney, RVP from 2009 - 2012. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by soetanoreoluwa(m): 2:48pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
Top 5 scouting football Club in Europe by sportkeeda 1 Leicester City Where better to start on this list than with this campaign’s biggest surprise package. Following their electric pulverising of Pellegrini’s men on Saturday, Leicester City are fast gaining the belief needed to win the Premier League title. Rewind to this point last year and it’s a laughable concept but, courtesy of their sharp scouting network, it’s one which has risen to fruition. Ben Wrigglesworth, head of technical scouting for the Foxes, and head of recruitment Steve Walsh have formed the fulcrum of Leicester’s fine work in the transfer market and the pair have proven so successful that Arsenal have poached the former and are aiming to lure Walsh to the Emirates also. Between the two of them, they have helped the club land N’Golo Kanté, Riyad Mahrez and the prolific Jamie Vardy; three of the stand-out performers of this season, all signed for a total of £7 million. The club, like many in the modern era, use an online programme to unveil new talent. ‘Wyscout’ is a computer system that enables them to analyse player strengths and weaknesses, as well as video footage. This process is carried out by Walsh and co. and any potential suitors are passed on to Ranieri, who can make the call whether or not to pursue further interest by deploying scouts to the sidelines. 2 Shakhtar Donetsk Now to eastern Europe, where the side plying their trade at the Donbass Arena have highlighted time and time again the effectiveness of their scouting system. At the Shakhtar helm since 2004, Romanian manager Mircea Lucescu has transformed players to turn over masses of profit for the Miners. The Ukrainian outfit have a habit of focusing their business on the Brazilian market; an area where there is undoubtedly bucket loads of talent, but one, many sides forget about. Their network evidently gravitates around unknowns from this region, who they then mould into credible talents. Douglas Costa was one of the more recent sales; his move to Bayern München last summer generated a profit of approximately €24 million. China-bound Alex Teixeira was discovered by the Shakhtar scouting contingent as a 19-year-old and he cost the club €6 million at the time, a mere fragment of the bumper €38 million Jiangsu Suning recently splashed out on the midfielder. Although the majority of Donetsk’s scouts are based in the stands of Brazil, they also have five of their first team players in the national squad, underpinning how they have been able to discover some of the best Ukrainian individuals as well. 3. Borussia Dortmund At the turn of the century, Borussia Dortmund’s fragile economic state crumbled and the financial distress resulted in the sale of their ground – the Westfalenstadion. It was a troublesome time for a side steeped in history and the situation had been aggravated by their consistent machine-gun purchasing of foreign talent. Transfers were often misguided and so, following the rebuilding of their financial situation and eventual buying back of their stadium, a more sustainable model was put into practice. Jürgen Klopp was implemented into the system as their new manager in 2008 and players were only scouted if they possessed a hunger and work-rate synonymous with the disciplined, articulate coach. Die Schwarzgelben began focusing their attention on younger German players who were at lower league clubs or who struggled to cut it with the big boys. Dortmund’s system started integrating players from immigrant families, allowing them to sign the likes of Nuri Sahin (of Turkish descent) for their youth side. Dortmund resist the temptation of signing the so-called finished article and aim to scout players based on weaknesses they feel can be easily improved; this aspect is bolstered by the BVB academy. Mario Götze was brought in from the FC Eintracht Hombruch academy and sold on for €37 million, while Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang was snapped up on the cheap from St-Etienne for around €11 million and his performances of late are demanding a fee in excess of €50 million. 4. Southampton Gareth Bale was sighted by the club’s youth scouts A club well renowned for their excellent academy, Southampton’s pool of young blood is fuelled by the flexible dynamics of their scouting system. Prior to the infamous exodus of 2014, the Saints had earned a reputation for building an incredibly competitive squad, despite their financial handicap when compared to the elites of the Premier League. Rickie Lambert signed back in 2009 from Bristol Rovers. His addition followed a relatively dry season of goals by his standards but he caught the attention of Southampton especially, after netting the winning goal in a fifth round FA Cup tie. This initiated a flurry of scouts to watch Rickie’s remaining matches that season and he impressed, scoring four against Southend and bagging a hat-trick against Hereford. The following campaign, he was signed for roughly £1 million; a meagre sum given that his goal return for the South-Coast club exceeded 100 by the time he completed his £4 million switches to Liverpool in June 2014. Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale and Theo Walcott are among the top players sighted by the club’s youth scouts while their acquisitions of foreign talent also act as a testament to the fine judgement of their scouting network. Graziano Pellè and Sadio Mané have proven to be fantastic buys, but were not exactly capturing our attention at the biggest clubs in Europe; the former came from Feyenoord and the latter from Red Bull Salzburg. 5 Atletico Madrid Atletico Madrid have a habit of moulding strikers into credible talents Diego Simeone himself stated 'We get players and make them better,' which may play its part in why the club are so seldom reluctant to let big names go. Jackson Martinez was the latest forward man to depart, joining Guangzhou Evergrande for €42 million, but given the Colombian’s disappointing spell with the club, he shouldn’t prove as difficult to replace as the many forwards who’ve left prior to him may have done. Atletico have had, in many respects, a conveyor belt of top strikers. Fernando Torres initially seemed irreplaceable, but Sergio Aguero occupied the apparent void in Madrid’s front-line before his departure was eased by the signing of Radamel Falcao, whose sale earned the club €60 million. Diego Costa was the next man tasked with the challenge of taking the goal-scoring burden and his front-line heroics propelled the club to the 2013/14 La Liga title. It’s been partly down to an extensive scouting system in South America, which enabled them to snap up Aguero while Atletico have not been averse to taking a risk either. Club captain Diego Godin was bought for only €8 million, a relatively modest sum, but one that could prove hefty had he not performed. His European experience was minimal but the scouts saw potential in his leadership skills and the deal paid off. That's too 5 scouting clubs according to sportkeeda Can we stop the argument and talk about Super eagles? 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 2:56pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 2:57pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
edi287: Those players you mentioned was rated higher than Suarez apart from Robin Van Persie...abeg no allow us argue another one remove van persie there na God I use beg you,rvp is a world class player but there is no day he was rated higher than Suarez,the rest player you mentioned are fact |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 3:06pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
Icon79:Sir,you are right Rohr must know better as a coach but we fans must express our views about the team regardless of his understanding of the game. Pls go and watch 1.Nigeria vs Chad..... Ekong/Omeruo 2.Zambia vs Nigeria...Ekong/Omeruo 3.Nigeria vs South Africa.. Ekong/Awaziem 4.Nigeria vs Serbia..... Ekong/Awaziem Pls,giving Rohr a little bit of credit?pls did i discredited him with my post. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 3:44pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
goldfish80: The question ❓ lacks merit because it has to be taken in context. With the current working permit laws in England it is impossible for any uncapped player in African football to go straight to the EPL more matter how good his is. Unless he wins some form of international accolade. However, with Francophone African countries it's quite normal for players to go from Senegalese local league to the French league 2. Indeed some ex Portuguese colonial African nations like Guinea Bissau can access the Portuguese league very easily from local league. Now these clubs take advantage of Africans in France and Portugal to bring players in on slave wages and sell shortly afterwards for big money transfers. So in understanding the idea of a club having a better or good scouting programme must be appreciated with the framework they work in. So the question is simply a waste of time. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:58pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
impossible with no exceptions, really? komekn: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 4:05pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
edi287: Did Suarez join Liverpool in 2011? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by EmmGee: 4:16pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
tbaba1234:honestly Nigeria is just a sad sad country. its a trial from God, if one cares about this country |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 4:20pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
goldfish80: The point still remains that, he became the best in the Wing back position under Conte. Chikena. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 4:21pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
forgiveness:why didn't Conte coach him to play like Salah? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 4:26pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
Interesting move by PSG. I hear they are close to appointing Thomas Tuchel for next season. In other news, I hear D'tigers lost to Scotland 66-61 making it a straight 4 loses on a spin. What kind of embarrassment is this? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 4:28pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
andrew444: Your misleading the discourse without the appropriate context. Taye Academy is immaterial and of no significance beyond the administration of a transfer compensation fee. KC won major accolades at the U17 World cup and was recognised as the best in his age group, clearly exceptional talent. On the basis of that position Manchester city amongst other clubs decided he would be a profitable and quality acquisition. The rest as they say is history. Anything text taken out of context is a con. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 4:33pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
CaptainStephen:e clear say you dey handle this guns... well done captain.... 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 4:43pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 4:47pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
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