andrew444:


Nobody go argue this because we all know you are joking

edi287:

Why stop at 2009?? Tell us where they finished 2010 and 2011?
Juve won the league from 2001 - 2006(when Serie A was viewed as the best league in the world). Oh and they were still playing the Ucl when Ibra joined. Suarez joined when they weren't in the ucl yet you want us to believe Liverpool was a bigger/better team when Suarez joined than Juve were around 04 -06?? Comparing the players of both teams would even kill any chance of having such a lame argument

forgiveness:


Oga, you claimed Liverpool was not playing in the UEFA and Euoropa as at then but fact proved otherwise.

Chelsea and Manchester were not in the Champions league last season, are they small clubs?


From 2008 - 2010 EPL was viewed the best in the world.

Martz101:


You are really not a straight forward person, you said Dortmund had scouting network every where in the world including Africa and I ask which player did they sign straight from Africa and you don't know. now you turn around to say big team don't sign from Africa, you know nothing about scouting

1. Eto.... the best player ever in Africa was scouted by the biggest club in Madrid scout straight from Cameroon
2.kolo toure...from Asec to one of the best team in England Arsenal for just 150,000 pounds

I still ask you for one player Dortmund scouted from africa?

forgiveness:



Are those tournaments higher than FIFA world cup?

What role is Victor Moses playing now?

edi287:

Proof please.

We're not asking "who later conquered the world", we are asking if Suarez was the best striker in the world at Ajax. The answer is NO.

andrew444:


Its either you buy a player from an academy or you get him from a playing club.

Am i comparing sporting with madrid and co? No

You are expecting only madrid and barcelona and co to get players from african league?

How many african players have even played for this club,you can count them

If i give you the transfer of players from african league to average europe and smaller europe club you will be suprised.

But sporting is a top club in Portugal and you know it,Portugal league is among the top 10 league in the world so that make sporting a top club.

Basel is s top club in switzerland and got salah from egypt league,i can give you more names

Manucho of angola joined man united from perto atheletico,they scouted him at the angola league and give him a 3 week trial and he passed it then they got him,i dont say what i dont know.

goldfish80:


YOu dont understand the discussion we were having, this much is clear to me having read through this post of yours.
For clarity sake, we are not talking about clubs considered grade c in backwater leagues. We are talking about the very best of the best European clubs.

Your Manuchos, Etos and Toures were nothing more than accidental discharges. The big guns scout in South America and Europe.
Your Africa is just an after thought.

goldfish80:

I actually added the world stage if you read my post.

If he (Moses) was considered that great going forward, Conte would have had Hazard play as a wing back while Moses takes his place.

forgiveness:


Very funny.

Is like telling Messi or Ronaldo to play wing backs.

andrew444:


Yes the big guns scout in south america and europe because they are better than us.

But someone is saying the big guns have never scouted from africa so i am giving an example okay

If i am not right then samuel eto is from colombia and manucho and iheanacho is from South Korea

goldfish80:


Some numbers are pretty much inconsequential. The number of Africans the big clubs get straight from Africa is the definition of inconsequential.

andrew444:


If Ibrahimovic is world class at Ajax when why not Suarez who scored more goal than him.

I don't have all link because it's being long,take a look at the Chelsea link

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/6777610/Ajax-dismiss-Luis-Suarez-move-to-Chelsea.html

Do you guys have hate for Suarez? I need to know now so I will stop the arguement

If Suarez is not world class at Ajax then who are the players you regard as world class at that level at that time,I guess zlatan and Kezman?

And tell me which football club you support so I will know where you are comming from

edi287:

I didn't say Ibra was world class at the Eredivise, I said he was rated higher. Point to where I said Ibra was world class??
I repeat - Luis Suarez was NO WHERE close to being the best striker in the world or even world class for that matter. He was a promising player and that was it. Period!!

andrew444:


Hope you mean then and not now...Because for the past 4 years suarez has been the best striker in the world alongside lewandowski

edi287:

Thank God you said the past 4 years and not 8!

andrew444:



Then who was the best striker the past 8 years is it ibra?

Icon79:
And who told you that Ekong/Omeruo's partnership would've performed any better than Ekong/Awaziem? And who told you that the coaches haven't tried all those possible scenarios/partnerships in training to see which ones work best?

Please, we need to give these coaches a little bit of credit because most of them understand the game and understand the team better than a vast majority of us.


O pari

edi287:

Was Suarez the best striker in the world when he was at Ajax?? This is the main argument. You said the last 4 years which actually confirms what I was saying that Suarez only started getting recognized as the best around 2013/14. Why is this argument still going on?
Ok let's do this - bring proof that shows Suarez was rated higher than Eto, Drogba, Villa, Lewandowski, Rooney, RVP from 2009 - 2012.

Icon79:
And who told you that Ekong/Omeruo's partnership would've performed any better than Ekong/Awaziem? And who told you that the coaches haven't tried all those possible scenarios/partnerships in training to see which ones work best?

Please, we need to give these coaches a little bit of credit because most of them understand the game and understand the team better than a vast majority

O pari

goldfish80:


You could only come up with 2 names who who transfered from Africa to a top Euro team. Does this evidence tell you that these bug clubs care about Africans to come scouting here?
Dortmund may not have signed someone from Asec but over the years they have got African players who did well for them.

You really want to go out of your way to pick on one sentence I made to nail Dortmund as not doing enough scouting or being successful at that with the resources and talent that have come through the club, which is the main point of this discussion.

The debate from the beginning wasn't who had the scouting network in Africa, my friend. Don't try and turn this conversation to that.

Big clubs don't scout in Africa, every man and his dog knows this. Except we want to be economical with the truth.

komekn:


The question ❓ lacks merit because it has to be taken in context.

With the current working permit laws in England it is impossible for any uncapped player in African football to go straight to the EPL more matter how good his is.

Unless he wins some form of international accolade.

However, with Francophone African countries it's quite normal for players to go from Senegalese local league to the French league 2. Indeed some ex Portuguese colonial African nations like Guinea Bissau can access the Portuguese league very easily from local league.

Now these clubs take advantage of Africans in France and Portugal to bring players in on slave wages and sell shortly afterwards for big money transfers.

So in understanding the idea of a club having a better or good scouting programme must be appreciated with the framework they work in.

So the question is simply a waste of time.

edi287:

This was the post you replied to

edi287:

[/b]I compared Juve of 04 to Liverpool of 11 because that was when they both moved to their respective clubs. As of 2011, Liverpool weren't even in the europa league talk of ucl. You want compare Liverpool of that time to a Juve side that was competing for Serie A and had players like Del Piero, Trez, etc?? Ibra moved to a MUCH better side. Facts![b]

Now can you show me where I mentioned Liverpool's Ucl/europa league record from 04 - 10??

tbaba1234:
Why is everything in Nigeria left to decay?

Look at the state of our athletics, we can not even boast of one single world class male sprinter.

At one point, we had several world class sprinters.

Since Mobil pulled out, Athletics has not been the same.

Unfortunately, it is the same in almost all spheres of life.. Decay and negligience...

Yet we have a house of assembly where each Senator/rep earns more than the US president.. How is that even allowed to stand??

Look at the way, our league clubs are run.. Do the club administrators not realise the money spinning potential of football? Imagine the kind of talent we will produce with proper academies..

So many things to rant about, so little time..

goldfish80:


BUt he was playing the Messi and Ronaldo position before they converted him to a right back.

forgiveness:


The point is still remains that, he became the best in the Wing back position under Conte. Chikena.

andrew444:


I guess mancity is not a top club that bought Nacho from Taye Academy

I guess sporting CP is not a top club that bought Slimani from CR Belouizdad in the algerian league

I guess real madrid is not a top club that bought Samuel Eto from Kadji Sports Academy

Bros please stop saying what you dont know okay,ask questions before you conclude

CaptainStephen:
nice AK 103