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Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 8:58pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
darkchild64: Infinite regression does nt exist and even science faults this. This is why I said anyone who does not hold any knowledge of science should not comment and here you come breaking the protocol |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:01pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
keentola: I do on think you read the OP. The big bang is not a reality. It is a hypothesis and you cannot throw a hypothesis as a reality when it is unfounded. What you are referring to is what we call LUCK. Luck cannot produce a synchronized order in such a manner as I stated in the OP. The chances of that happening so perfectly is as good as zero. Or are you going to tell me that somehow the universe got it right at the first try despite all the chaos scientists claimed existed back then? 1 Like |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:04pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Martinez19: You lack any scientific knowledge and are just saying rubbish. Space does not have a curve. It is simply inhomogeneous. We plot space as a curve but in reality it isn't. Cause and effect still stands. No gravitational force known to man can trigger the first effect if there was no cause. |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:07pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
superhumanist: Blockheaded ignoramous. You will never know anything so can never say anything remotely intelligent. |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:08pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Martinez19: I have been busy. I am not as jobless as a lot of you 1 Like |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:09pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
vaxx: I doubt they can. They are patting themselves on the back despite saying nothing so far and liking each others post despite also saying nothing capable of debunking the OP 1 Like |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:11pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Martinez19: When did you refute anyone. You simply focused on the 3rd and that you did with all levels of scientific ignorance. Yet you claim you refuted? Lmao. Even the person you claimed refuted the second also displayed scientific ignorance. Is the big bang a scientific fact? Yes or no |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:12pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Martinez19: Dummy I am sure you read from the OP when I said UNCAUSED CAUSE and IMMUTABLE MOVER didn't you? |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Martinez19(m): 9:14pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Is it that you don't read or what? I never said space had curve. I said spacet curves, distorts and stretches in the presence of matter and energy and THERE ARE TONS OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AND PROOFS TO SUPPORT THIS and this is why Einstein is a big name in science. Remember I told you that it takes massive matter to bend space significantly. This is science and if doubt it, prove me wrong on this theory of general relativity. If you do, I will give my life to christ. Awww, sorry if I make you faith shake a little. It's discomforting and anxiety causing 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:14pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Martinez19: Science faults you again because the universe isn't eternal and has been known to have a beginning. True or false |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Martinez19(m): 9:17pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Show me my scientific ignorance and I will give my life to christ. Everything I said is backed up by scientific evidence and proof. |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Martinez19(m): 9:19pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:I know everything started with the big bang. |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by superhumanist(m): 9:29pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: And your "scientific" proof for God that has no evidence, no repeatable experiment and no testable hypothesis, is intelligent? 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:31pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Martinez19: Why do you speak so ignorantly? The simple truth is that space is not a curve. It is so on paper but not in reality. Attached is the image of what you are postulating below. You are throwing a hypothesis at me as a fact. This is not proven by any scientitist anywhere. Einstein tried but he hit an error and others are trying to correct his error till date. Stop spewing crap. These are the errors in your spacetime warping nonsense These explain my OP perfectly and these are the problems faced by Einstein and which no scientist alive has been able to provide an answer to so what we have is a hypothesis or an assumption and that is what you have been throwing around as fact all this while. Please go and take several seats.
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Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:36pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Martinez19: Yet Science calls the big bang A HYPOTHESIS . But somehow you know it isn't s a fact |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Martinez19(m): 9:44pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:The big bang is no longer an hypothesis. It's now been proven. 1 Like |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Nobody: 9:46pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: in the post you made which budaatum quoted you claimed that "EVERY" effect has a cause,and then budaatum asked you to apply that to "God" which would of course lead to infinite regression,so the point is that your statement that "EVERY effect has a cause" is untrue,but then if you still claim you are right explain to us how "God" came to being and you would be taken seriously since you say that EVERY effect has a cause 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:48pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Martinez19: Lmao proven? When? By who? From what I know, the only evidence we have for what is termed the Big Bang is the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation which scientists say showed up around 300,000 years after the hypthesised Big Bang happened. Apart from this, is there any other evidence you have for the big bang beyond a hypothesised model? |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 9:50pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
darkchild64: Why are you always a blockhead. Read my OP again. I am sure if you or budaatum had read my OP you would have seen me describe God as an UNCAUSED CAUSE and IMMUTABLE MOVER. Which renders your infinite regression talk as nonsensical. 1 Like |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by superhumanist(m): 9:55pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: "Uncaused cause" is a meaningless contradiction. God created himself from nothing abi? 4 Likes |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Nobody: 9:56pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
but then butterflyleo "God" does not mean anything until you specify what his characteristics and nature is,if your evidence for "God" is that the universe and the forces of nature had a source which is him then I would say you need a rethink,what if this "God" created the universe but does not exist anymore,what if this "God" is not omnipotent but has other beings higher than him,what if this "God" is not a being to start with,maybe something we can not comprehend as humans,what if this "God" is abstract,what if this "God" is simply the universe !!! You making claim for the existence of "God" using the cliché "Nothing comes out of nothing" will only lead you to infinite regression, whether you agree or not,there is such a thing as infinite regression,just like budaatum said subtract 1 from a number keep doing same and tell us when you arrive at a final result So what am I trying to say,if you want to prove the existence of "God" you should have a "God" which you are referring to,the word "God" can mean anything |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Nobody: 9:58pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: UNCAUSED CAUSE is that supposed to be an oxymoron or something,who dash you that poetic license 2 Likes |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Nobody: 9:58pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: well if that be the case then your statement that "EVERY effect has a cause" is wrong but of course I know you wouldn't admit to that |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 10:05pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
darkchild64: My statement is correct because I have eliminated God from what the statement covers when I said God is the uncaused cause and the immutable mover. Its simple english |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Martinez19(m): 10:05pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:SMH. |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 10:06pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
superhumanist: And who said God created himself? Do you lack the simplest understanding of what the term UNCAUSED CAUSE AND IMMUTABLE MOVER Means? I wouldn't be shocked if you actually do not know what it means. 1 Like |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by superhumanist(m): 10:07pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: Then, I too can claim that the celestial teapot is another uncaused cause without any evidence. 1 Like |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 10:07pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
darkchild64: You and budaatum are speaking about an abstract known in mathematics. My OP is not dealing with abstracts but reality of the universe. Or is the universe you know abstract? I am not going to define God to you. My OP is not about Yahweh or Allah but about GOD. 1 Like |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by superhumanist(m): 10:08pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: If God is uncaused, then, nothing caused him. He literally came from nothing. God just exists. He created himself |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 10:10pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Martinez19: You do not even realise how intellectually dishonest you have been with your arguments. With me you talk about a big bang which in itself talks about a beginning of the universe. With vaxx you talk about an eternal universe. Why not stand on one ground instead of jumping back and forth like a confused human. If you say the big bang has been proven then explain why other scientists are still pushing for the eternal universe hypothesis aka the multiverse hypothesis? Shouldn't the entire scientific world agree that this has been proven? |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Nobody: 10:11pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:so you want us to walk down this path alright,if that be the case I equally choose to eliminate the universe from what your statement covers, "the universe and the laws that govern it are the UNCAUSED CAUSE that cannot be CAUSED" hence the need for a creator becomes unnecessary |
Re: Proof Of God. Scientifically Derived. by Butterflyleo: 10:11pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
superhumanist: That would make you profoundly stupid and guarantee you a spot in the most stupid person alive platform. |
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