The pre-colonial maps which I posted show onitcha as being part of Benin Kingdom.
You claim to have a superior intelligence, yet you haven't proven any of your claims.
Intelligent people don't need to lie to make a point and telling the truth can only be guaranteed by proof which intelligent people can always produce.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2
I understand your inferiority complex which is due to your lack of historical relevancy, but you should try and rather speak the truth rather than throwing venimous lies born from great jealousy.
I just don't understand why you guys in nigeria actually believe in fighting against the truth.
The Obi of Onitcha carry's the Edo sword by the way.

OMANBALA1:


First of you should be grossly ashamed of yourself if indeed you are Igbo because you dont know a danm thing about Igbo history neither the one of the Bini people. I dont want to delve into who Bini influenced because it will turn to a mockery in this thread. Let me just say that the exaggeration of Bini Kingdom is not just shocking but pathetic and miserable.

Since you want to go there with me lets get it on...The influence Bini has on Onitsha is not up to 1% of Onicha culture...Other than the monarchy system Onicha probably borrowed from them and few titles like Iyasele, Osodi and very minor others what else? Onicha culture is 99% Omanbala influenced starting from ancient practices like masqurades, chants, title systems like Nze na Ozo, Nze na Ozo noble dance like ufie, egwu ota the Obi dances during Ofala, ancient shrines like Ogwugwu Omena the one Afam Ogbotobo sings about. Igba Odu /Ivory title an Omanbala cultural item. You are shamelessly ignorant and unintelligent ,my nigga. I hate talking to inferiors!

And what attire are you talking about ? Your Bini people just started wearing Nze na Ozo red hat introduced by Aguleri chiefs in the 18th century. You nobi only Igbo ,you be Eze Nri! Obi of Onicha never dressed anything like Oba of Bini, meanwhile your Oba and his chiefs copied cassocks introduced by the Portuguesse Rev. Farthers when they arrived during exploration. Dont let me tell you who is your true father, akali ogoli! Defensive for what? Your want me to shut up so you can insult my race.

Osita short for Ositadimma means it shall be well with you going forward. Olisadebe means may God preserve. Morka, Modu ,Mordi all has something in common ,muo a guiding spirit. Anioma people have a beautiful and strong culture and there are some names indigenous to them ,Ogude is one. Odiah is a typical Igbo name. Look, you cant just jump in here making unfounded claims with your neo-edonization and think you wont be kicked into gutter. Igbo man my left yansh! We see everything you are doing in your little closed facebook page. Bini wey no reach 20,000 in 17th century. Biafran war has dealt a disaster to the Igbo race! If not you will be cleaned out by little groups from Anioma!

prolog2:
Not our fault if history offends you:

Benin Kingdom:

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

No, history didnt offend me, day dreamers like you offends me. One Bini guy even said their kingdom was comparable to British empire. Your brief fame was when you took guns from the Portuguese and terrorized neighboring villages . Before that it was bow and arrow . Bini warrior . Go to Diomey and tell them how you ruled over them. bunch of sickos
I am

I guess you just came back from your time travel, rest well kid.
I don't need to actually claim anything which I can't prove, I posted pre-colonial maps of Benin Kingdom.
It is a well known fact that Benin Kingdom fought against britain and gave it the hardest fight it witnessed in the region.
It is also a fact that Benin Kingdom was the super power of the region.
Go and hug a transformer if you don't like reality. Nobody can change the past.
I see you are in trolling mode, your inferiority complex and jealousy seems to have led you to this mental state. Try and calm down before you end up in psychiatric hospital.

OMANBALA1:



No, history didnt offend me, day dreamers like you offends me. One Bini guy even said their kingdom was comparable to British empire. Your brief fame was when you took guns from the Portuguese and terrorized neighboring villages . Before that it was bow and arrow . Bini warrior . Go to Diomey and tell them how you ruled over them. bunch of sickos
I am

Didnt you guys say Onicha is a Bini possession ? How about Agbor ,Asaba and all Enuani towns? Abi you go just jump them over and carry Onicha for head enter Bini ?

An average black man is very sttupid. You colonized the whole west Africa yet no proof of that ? Didnt you see how Fulani proved they conquered northern Nigeria ? What do you have to prove? I know what you did...You dug a deep hole around yourself because you were scared yet you ruled over everybody with your ....ehm...ehm...I dont freaking no

Oga go gather small sense... I can tell you what happened even without reading your jacked up history. Somethings are common sense

The pre-colonial maps which I posted show onitcha as being part of Benin Kingdom.
You claim to have a superior intelligence, yet you haven't proven any of your claims.
Intelligent people don't need to lie to make a point and telling the truth can only be guaranteed by proof which intelligent people can always provide.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2
I understand your inferiority complex which is due to your lack of historical relevancy, but you should try and rather speak the truth rather than throwing venimous lies born from great jealousy.
I just don't understand why you guys in nigeria actually believe in fighting against the truth.
The Obi of Onitcha carry's the Edo sword by the way.
And yes all the towns you cited are part of the Benin Kingdom.

OMANBALA1:
Didnt you guys say Onicha is a Bini possession ? How about Agbor ,Asaba and all Enuani towns? Abi you go just jump them over and carry Onicha for head enter Bini ?

An average black man is very sttupid. You colonized the whole west Africa yet no proof of that ? Didnt you see how Fulani proved they conquered northern Nigeria ? What do you have to prove? I know what you did...You dug a deep hole around yourself because you were scared yet you ruled over everybody with your ....ehm...ehm...I dont freaking no

Oga go gather small sense... I can tell you what happened even without reading your jacked up history. Somethings are common sense

The pre-colonial maps which I posted show onitcha as being part of Benin Kingdom.
You claim to have a superior intelligence, yet you haven't proven any of your claims.
Intelligent people don't need to lie to make a point and telling the truth can only be guaranteed by proof which intelligent people can always provide.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2
I understand your inferiority complex which is due to your lack of historical relevancy, but you should try and rather speak the truth rather than throwing venimous lies born from great jealousy.
I just don't understand why you guys in nigeria actually believe in fighting against the truth.
The Obi of Onitcha carry's the Edo sword by the way.
And yes all the towns you cited are part of the Benin Kingdom.

tbaba1234:


I think he is Edo.. The name combination is typical Edo... I am Edo myself

This is cool, I am Edo too.

All illiterates believe themselves to be geniuses.
But this illiterate here is by far the dumbest I have ever seen.
This guy actually boasts about his ignorance and claims his guess work is better than actual knowledge.
By the way, kid it seems you don't actually know what the word history means.
Go back to primary one kid.

prolog2:
The pre-colonial maps which I posted show onitcha as being part of Benin Kingdom.
You claim to have a superior intelligence, yet you haven't proven any of your claims.
Intelligent people don't need to lie to make a point and telling the truth can only be guaranteed by proof which intelligent people can always produce.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2
I understand your inferiority complex which is due to your lack of historical relevancy, but you should try and rather speak the truth rather than throwing venimous lies born from great jealousy.
I just don't understand why you guys in nigeria actually believe in fighting against the truth.
The Obi of Onitcha carry's the Edo sword by the way.
And yes all the towns you cited are part of the Benin Kingdom.

The pre-colonial maps which I posted show onitcha as being part of Benin Kingdom.
You claim to have a superior intelligence, yet you haven't proven any of your claims.
Intelligent people don't need to lie to make a point and telling the truth can only be guaranteed by proof which intelligent people can always produce.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2
I understand your inferiority complex which is due to your lack of historical relevancy, but you should try and rather speak the truth rather than throwing venimous lies born from great jealousy.
I just don't understand why you guys in nigeria actually believe in fighting against the truth.
The Obi of Onitcha carry's the Edo sword by the way.
And yes all the towns you cited are part of the Benin Kingdom.

jealous of what exactly? Onicha nor any Anioma town was at no time a part of Bini Kingdom,never. There is no proof of that is oral history nor traditions. The only place it exists is in your mind. Onicha copied Bini style monarchy ,shikena! And this is common in group in close proximity but you want to read something else out of it because you not contented in who you are. Heck, majority of Anioma towns didnt even practice monarchy but you wont know this because Bini kingdom is too far up your rectum .

It seems more and more obvious that this kid doesn't know the first thing about military strategy.
If most bantu-nigerians are like this kid then I guess it explains why the bantu-nigerians are not known for actually winning any war ever.
Guys, do you remember when Julius Cezar was scared in Gaul, so scared that he built two walls to seperate his troops from the ennemy.

Julius was so scared that he defeated a force 3 times his own force.

prolog2:
All illiterates believe themselves to be geniuses.
But this illiterate here is by far the dumbest I have ever seen.
This guy actually boasts about his ignorance and claims his guess work is better than actual knowledge.
By the way, kid it seems you don't actually know what the word history means.
Go back to primary one kid.

I dont think you know what is an illiterate , block head!

Proof that Onitcha was part of Benin Kingdom:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

OMANBALA1:


jealous of what exactly? Onicha nor any Anioma town was at no time a part of Bini Kingdom,never. There is no proof of that is oral history nor traditions. The only place it exists is in your mind. Onicha copied Bini style monarchy ,shikena! And this is common in group in close proximity but you want to read something else out of it because you not contented in who you are. Heck, majority of Anioma towns didnt even practice monarchy but you wont know this because Bini kingdom is too far up your rectum .

Proof that Onitcha was part of Benin Kingdom:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2
Stop denying established facts, it is not good for your mental health.

OMANBALA1:



No, history didnt offend me, day dreamers like you offends me. One Bini guy even said their kingdom was comparable to British empire. Your brief fame was when you took guns from the Portuguese and terrorized neighboring villages . Before that it was bow and arrow . Bini warrior . Go to Diomey and tell them how you ruled over them. bunch of sickos
I am

Historically, the Benin kingdom was actually very powerful. Some of the narrations about it are actually quite outstanding. At the height of its prowess, it was a mighty empire.

That said, cultures influence each other, it is part of life. Do you know there are so many words in the English language that are derived from other languages?

Do you know that several spanish words are borrowed from Arabic?

It is a normal part of life.. I am certain that some of benin culture was also influenced by neighbouring cultures. Our languages and civilizations are closer than you'd imagine.

There is no need to start debate over things that happened more than 500 years ago.

The literal sense designates a person who can't read or write, but the most popular sense designates a person who can't think properly.
You clearly can't use your brain to reason properly.

OMANBALA1:


I dont think you know what is an illiterate , block head!

So,your Oba is like Julius Cesaer ? . How can you rule over people who dont know you exist ?

Why are you still talking? You keep saying "no proof" while I already posted the same proof more than 5 times.
There really is something wrong in your brain.
Your question is very ill phrased and based on assumptions with which I do not agree.
The Obi of Onitcha respects and acknowledges the Oba of Benin.
You should watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TrFEZT2lxk

OMANBALA1:
So,your Oba is like Julius Cesaer ? . How can you rule over people who dont know you exist ?

By the way kid, my grand father is anioma and we are 100% loyal to our King: Omo n'Oba n'Edo.

tbaba1234:


Historically, the Benin kingdom was actually very powerful. Some of the narrations about it are actually quite outstanding. At the height of its prowess, it was a mighty empire.

That said, cultures influence each other, it is part of life. Do you know there are so many words in the English language that are derived from other languages?

Do you know that several spanish words are borrowed from Arabic?

It is a normal part of life.. I am certain that some of benin culture was also influenced by neighbouring cultures. Our languages and civilizations are closer than you'd imagine.

There is no need to start debate over things that happened more than 500 years ago.

Not to spoil your fun but Bini Kingdom was great but ''mighty'' is subjective. I dont have problem with people identifying with their chiefdoms but honestly you guys are overhyping your village kingdom. And thats what it is, a little village with a chief magnified into a king and Bini didnt conquer any Igbo town...Its on record! You can salivate over your culture without involving the Igbo nation, thats my only concern. Historically ,Anioma has always spoken Igbo and practiced Igbo culture and worshiped Alusi ,the Igbo oracle . Yes ,there were some influences westward but it doesnt translate into subjugation.

prolog2:
Why are you still talking? You keep saying "no proof" while I already posted the same proof more than 5 times.
There really is something wrong in your brain.
Your question is very ill phrased and based on assumptions with which I do not agree.
The Obi of Onitcha respects and acknowledges the Oba of Benin.
You should watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TrFEZT2lxk

By the way kid, my part of my grand father is anioma and we are 100% loyal to our King: Omo n'Oba n'Edo.

Where in that video did Obi of Onicha say Onicha was once under the rule of Oba of Bini ? Obi Achebe ,the Agbogidi Onicha Ado is a well read and classy noble man who not only took the Nze na Ozo, conferred his son and became Ugonabo and also joined the prestigious Agbalanze noble class in Onicha and later became the Obi of Onicha. Oba Bini is not the only ruler he mentioned he also mentioned Igwe Umuoji and Sunewe of Ondo, Oba of Bini is not better than any traditional ruler in Nigeria. His authority starts and ends with his people. The Agbogidi is a wise man.

First of all Anioma are Edo.
Second of all you are living in denial.
The portuguese came to the capital of Benin Kingdom and coined the word City for it.
There are many written descriptions of what the europeans saw when they came to Benin Kingdom.
I have posted pre-colonial maps of Benin Kingdom which show how far it stretched, yet you keep pretending you are blind.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

OMANBALA1:


Not to spoil your fun but Bini Kingdom was great but ''mighty'' is subjective. I dont have problem with people identifying with their chiefdoms but honestly you guys are overhyping your village kingdom. And thats what it is, a little village with a chief magnified into a king and Bini didnt conquer any Igbo town...Its on record! You can salivate over your culture without involving the Igbo nation, thats my only concern. Historically ,Anioma has always spoken Igbo and practiced Igbo culture and worshiped Alusi ,the Igbo oracle . Yes ,there were some influences westward but it doesnt translate into subjugation.

OMANBALA1:


Not to spoil your fun but Bini Kingdom was great but ''mighty'' is subjective. I dont have problem with people identifying with their chiefdoms but honestly you guys are overhyping your village kingdom. And thats what it is, a little village with a chief magnified into a king and Bini didnt conquer any Igbo town...Its on record! You can salivate over your culture without involving the Igbo nation, thats my only concern. Historically ,Anioma has always spoken Igbo and practiced Igbo culture and worshiped Alusi ,the Igbo oracle . Yes ,there were some influences westward but it doesnt translate into subjugation.

See, i am not from benin and i do not care about the crown. I do however love to read history.

No culture is isolated. History is dynamic. Cities have been captured, lost and some have totally disappeared. You can not say objectively that none of the historically igbo areas were involved in these dynamics. Having a city maintain its language or culture does not mean anything because leadership was not always expressed as direct rule.

The truth is that our knowledge is limited because history was not preserved well enough.

You are a troll and given your expressions, I can say that I have already spoken to you under an other name.
Back then you were claiming to be yoruba.
You keep repeating your litemotif: "village, bini".
Is it your hatred for Edo which makes you go all around claiming different ethnicities and insulting Edo in the process ?
Everybody, this guy is not igbo.

OMANBALA1:


Where in that video did Obi of Onicha say Onicha was once under the rule of Oba of Bini ? Obi Achebe ,the Agbogidi Onicha Ado is a well read and classy noble man who not only took the Nze na Ozo, conferred his son and became Ugonabo and also joined the prestigious Agbalanze noble class in Onicha and later became the Obi of Onicha. Oba Bini is not the only ruler he mentioned he also mentioned Igwe Umuoji and Sunewe of Ondo, Oba of Bini is not better than any traditional ruler in Nigeria. His authority starts and ends with his people. The Agbogidi is a wise man.

prolog2:
First of all Anioma are Edo.
Second of all you are living in denial.
The portuguese came to the capital of Benin Kingdom and coined the word City for it.
There are many written descriptions of what the europeans saw when they came to Benin Kingdom.
I have oposted pre-colonial maps of Benin Kingdom which show how far it stretched, yet you keep pretending you are blind.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

So, Anioma is Edo ... and you say somebody is in denial ? Go and peruse through PROUDLY ANIOMA ,PROUDLY IGBO FB GROUP AND COME BACK...

This guy (omanbala1) is clearly the same person as that idiot calling himself macof. He speaks the same way, with the same words.
He (omanbala1) keeps changeing names and claiming different ethnicities while repeating the same venom against Edo.
This troll (omanbala1) needs to be ignored.

tbaba1234:


See, i am not from benin and i do not care about the crown. I do however love to read history.

No culture is isolated. History is dynamic. Cities have been captured, lost and some have totally disappeared. You can not say objectively that none of the historically igbo areas were involved in these dynamics. Having a city maintain its language or culture does not mean anything because leadership was not always expressed as direct rule.

The truth is that our knowledge is limited because history was not preserved well enough.

I am done here

Troll, part of my familly is anioma.
In case you didn't know, many Edo generals were Anioma.
Chief Agho Obaseki was Anioma.
I know you are writing from a mental facility.

OMANBALA1:


So, Anioma is Edo ... and you say somebody is in denial ? Go and peruse through PROUDLY ANIOMA ,PROUDLY IGBO FB GROUP AND COME BACK...

Gentlemen please let's come back to football.

They are turning this thread into another thing gradually they will turn it into tribalism thread seem u guys are enjoying it sha because nobody is complaining

prolog2:
This guy (omanbala1) is clearly the same person as that idiot calling himself macof. He speaks the same way, with the same words.
He (omanbala1) keeps changeing names and claiming different ethnicities while repeating the same venom against Edo.
This troll (omanbala1) needs to be ignored.

says the fool who lied that he studied medicine in France, after disgracing you, you had to open another account

I don't even know who this omanbala1 is I haven't noticed any post from that moniker but if a moronic shameless iidiot like you is against that moniker then I'm sure he/she must be an intelligent fellow that exposes good for nothings like you

I hope the history debate is over. There are more befitting sections on nairaland for such.

The most important thing is that the guy has Nigerian roots and could have an international career with Nigeria.

isan:
They are turning this thread into another thing gradually they will turn it into tribalism thread seem u guys are enjoying it sha because nobody is complaining

Thank you my man for this great observation.

Truly not good for the thread but some have exposed themselves as real tribal fellows.

If some can go haywire and turned what should be a great historical discourse into Edo vs Igbo then this country is sick.

krattoss:
what makes u think all those his showboatings and free kick taker domination isn't approved by the coach. .

Have u seen any player argue a setpiece with him in the gwg jersey?
Ain't that telling u something he is been appointed to deliver them..
Has his delivering been so poor for u to be hating like this?
You just don't get tired do u?

your problem is you think every disapproval of his actions in GwG is hating....
why should I hate him...?
if rohr really approves of it....it goes to tell ..the coach still hasn't learnt his lessons... I pity him...because there will always be matches where well delivered free kicks gonna be decisive.

only a clueless coach wil not entrust players like nancho to play some of the free kicks after his awesome play against Argentina....and for a player like Moses Simon who sometimes plays that for his club....
I am a Chelsea fan but sentiments aside Moses is not good wit delivery of free kicks

caprikon:
I hope the history debate is over. There are more befitting sections on nairaland for such.

The most important thing is that the guy has Nigerian roots and could have an international career with Nigeria.

Thank you.I think we should stop saying a player is from particular part of the country,for God sake why saying a player is from Okija,what is our business with that,how many players do we know their states of origin talk less of villages.

Tosin kehinde in action man u u23