XhosaNostra:
Why choose only one when you can have it both ways? "Zionist churches" in South Africa, combine both African culture & Christianity. At the end of the day we're still Africans. We have our own identity & beliefs, which we had long before the missionaries ever set foot on African soil. It seems unfair to forsaken one for the other, hence there are churches for people who choose to fuse the two.

fvck christianity. we will eradicate it from our Nigeria and restore the faith of our forefathers.

AreaFada2:
Africans with inferiority complex. Japanese & Chinese have less than 1% Christian population. They didn't have to give up their culture to make bullet trains and the electronics you all enjoy. They allowed it to evolve.

Is is African culture that make many pastors Bleep both married and unmarried church members? In our culture we have taboos against many atrocities now going on everywhere. He should explain how African culture instructed the Reverend Professor to use sex for marks.

Make the man park well. He should just quietly enjoy his sheeples' money.

When churches are dying in Europe and are now museums and tourist centres, our people are still mindlessly guzzling the milk of alien religions. No wonder we remain infantile

Europeans are returning back to the pagan religions of their ancestors.

The Chinese and Japanese never abandoned their religions.

The Indians are experiencing a Hindu revival

Only the black man is lost, he knows not the road that leads to his own soul.

I think it's Christianity that is destroying our culture

HigherEd:

And how is Christianity destroying African culture? Christianity only insist that the evil part of any culture must go.

Like playing masquerade?

Isn't it Christianity that is destroying culture?

plaetton:

I am very well, thank you.

We should catch up one day.

ibietela2:
I think it's Christianity that is destroying our culture

Whats there to think? Its obvious. More than half of our ancestors culture and spiritual knowledge has been systemmatically destroyrd by these parasites.

I can vouch that 90% of folks commenting on this thread never read the article. They just made posts in relation to their own understanding of the topic.

Pastor Poju never broached issues on Christianity and African Religion or Tradition/Culture but just used the bible to illustrate what happens in our society today with respect to the relationship between the youths and the elderly.

Unfortunately, a huge percentage of Nigerian youths do not read.

This man of God is not making sense just like this post of mine

PAGAN9JA:


fvck christianity. we will eradicate it from our Nigeria and restore the faith of our forefathers.

How do you plan to do that & what of other religious denominations like Islam + the Jews ?

Men like this are the problems of this country.

How can you say your indigent culture is destroying an imported religion.

Is this the message he passes to his church members and family?

He's such a disappointment.

DeepSight:


We should catch up one day.

Yes indeed.
I will email you my current number.

DeepSight:


I don't know what you are talking about. It seems odd to me to hear a condemnation of ritual human sacrificial killing from an adherent of a religion which espouses salvation by the ritual human sacrificial killing of a man from the middle east.

That aside, surely you cannot be so ignorant as to claim that African religions have murdered more souls than great Christianity has?

Was the "man from middle east" killed by christians You better read the bible again. Jesus wasn't killed by Christians but roman soldiers in conjunction with pharisee Jews. However Christ(our God) died for us as a one time sacrifice. He didn't ask us to produce one of us. Rather he chose himself knowing the requirements was heavy and impossible to bear by us. He traded himself in place of billions of us.

All religions recognize the importance of blood. But our own God decided to sacrifice his own self in the hands of unbelievers. That's a story of Love and cannot be twisted by any demon inspired individual.

BlackAdam55:
how is it destroying our culture?

Christianity was never part of our culture to begin with!

hopefulLandlord:


I disagree!

Colonisation played "a role" in uniting Nigerian tribes and cultures NOT Christianity, Christianity is NEVER a tool of unity and can NEVER be a tool of unity

Even colonialism didn't bring anything good to Nigeria. Colonialism created Nigeria, and it's purpose was not ''uniting Nigerian tribes'' but to exploit the geographical region under one rule. Colonialism couldn't have united Nigeria because there was no Nigeria before Britain arrived. Before Britain arrived, each part of the ''Niger area'' was a nation on it's own solving all their problems by themselves.

Nigeria was created after Britain got the ''Niger area'' geographical zone as their share at the Berlin conference 1884-1885, when African lands were shared among Europeans. They named their share Nigeria, thereby, merging tribes and nationalities that had nothing in common, and in so doing caused us all the political and socio-political problems we have today. Boko haram, Fulani herdmen, corruption, etc.

Assuming you are from Southern, Eastern or Western Nigeria, you would have had no relationship with a Fulani herdsman or Boko haram menace. You would have been in your own country doing better than Nigeria is today.

The rule of thumb is that white people did not bring anything good to Africa.

XhosaNostra:
Why choose only one when you can have it both ways? "Zionist churches" in South Africa, combine both African culture & Christianity. At the end of the day we're still Africans. We have our own identity & beliefs, which we had long before the missionaries ever set foot on African soil. It seems unfair to forsaken one for the other, hence there are churches for people who choose to fuse the two.

we also have something of such in NIGERIA, (the cherubim and the celestial) i remain tolerance to all of them, however i may become close minded to the fundamentalist.

Many commenters miss his point. This article is Pst Poju joining the current debate in Christendom about tithing, giving, doctrines, grace and the law.

He is saying that there are some places were the older generation of ministers got it wrong and because of our culture of respect and deference to elders the new generation of ministers are afraid to speak up. That the real victim here is the truth as fresh revelations from the younger generation are buried on the altar of respect for the older.

He said that when the younger generation fail to speak the truth God has laid in their hearts that they jeopardize their position in God and also do a disservice to the earlier generation of ministers and that eventually some of them will begin to speak with anger and disrespect (read Freeze and the Free the Sheeple movement).

Bottom line, biblical truth and fresh revelation must be spoken and acted on by the current generation no matter what our culture says but that such speeches and actions should be laced with respect and honour to the preceding generation.

vaxx:
we also have something of such in NIGERIA, (the cherubim and the celestial) i remain tolerance to all of them, however i may become close minded to the fundamentalist.

I'm with you on the last part.

Gggg102:



you are bringing the subsets of Christianity.

Christianity as a superset would unite a Christian from ogbomosho to one in Anambra.

many Christians currently believe your denomination don't matter as long as you believe in Christ.

a Christian from ogbomosho would be united with a Christian from anambra before being in unity with a Muslim from ogbomosho.

many Christians would rather fellowship with a Christian with another denomination and another tribe, than with a muslim from the same tribe.

Christians unite irrespective of sects when they go against atheists.

This is not true. A Christian in ogbomoso will identify wt a Muslim in ogbomosho, before identifying wt a Christian in anambra.

You would be mistaken to think otherwise. Religion is not a demarcating factor among yorubas because a lot of pple wt different religions are related by blood. Siblings, parents, cousins of different religions.etc. You Igbo pple can't seem to comprehend this cos ur all christians and see d other religions, first and foremost, as an outsider.

HigherEd:

Was the "man from middle east" killed by christians You better read the bible again. Jesus wasn't killed by Christians but roman soldiers in conjunction with pharisee Jews.

This is rather odd. The question is not who he was killed by really. The question is rather the function of his killing. That function, as advanced by your religion - is the purchase by blood of the salvation of mankind. This in itself renders it a ritual. You should also bear in mind that this ritual is said to have emanated from God as his idea, and was sanctioned by him as effective salvation for the followers of Christ. Indeed the said killing was prophesied long before it occurred, according to Christian lore and Jesus himself is said to have known this and submitted to it. It is therefore abundantly clear that even if the hands that took him to the cross were Roman or Jew - the directing mind was that of the Christian God (who curiously the same Jesus is said to be - in a horrid mish-mash of the most twisted dogma conceivable).

It was therefore for all purposes a ritual sacrificial killing.

However Christ(our God) died for us as a one time sacrifice.

It will never cease to amaze me how Christians can call a fellow man almighty God and see no blasphemy in it.
I should also remind you that according to your Christian lore, Christ pleaded most fervently in the Garden of Gethsemane that "this cup should pass over my head". . . In addition, on the cross he sought forgiveness for those who had killed him. He once mentioned that his betrayer would suffer terribly. He told a parable describing how the son of the lord would be murdered and that such an act would incur the fury of the Lord. His apostle preached that whatever a man sows the same shall he reap. How does this not show you that the death on the cross was no propitiatory sacrifice? How does it fail to teach you that it absolves no one of sin - the truth rather remaining that you will reap what you sow?

All religions recognize the importance of blood. But our own God decided to sacrifice his own self in the hands of unbelievers.

Your God has blood? ? ?

That's a story of Love and cannot be twisted by any demon inspired individual.

I would say that you are the demon inspired one given your affinity with ritual human sacrifice.

edurach:
Here's a piece by Pastor Poju Oyemade on cultural dimension that may be destroying Christianity in Africa.

Why what God has placed in the heart of the younger generation is necessary.

This probably is my most sensitive and delicate write up so far, I have thought about this for years. There is a cultural issue in this nation that may be detrimental to real progress in advancing the kingdom of God.

I will start by telling the story of a conversation that was found in the black box of a plane that had crashed killing all passengers and crew members on a commercial flight in South Korea. On examining the black box to find out the reason for the crash they discovered the last-minute conversation between the pilot and the co-pilot which showed that the co-pilot actually knew what the problem was as the senior pilot struggled with the plane but he didn’t voice it out until it was too late and the plane eventually crashed.

This finding led them to believe that the cultural upbringing of the co-pilot which was a Korean thing which is to defer to one who is more elderly even when you know what is right had caused the crash. The co-pilot even though he knew what the problem was kept quiet out of respect and that cost over a hundred people the lives. It could simply have been averted if he spoke up telling the senior pilot his opinion.

This cultural mindset is prevalent in Africa and this leads the younger generation to remain silent on issues they know in their heart but refuse to speak up in deference to the older. In many cases when the younger ones eventually speak, it is with anger and bitterness, a voice that reveals a feeling of being oppressed for too long and that disrespectful voice lands them on the other side of extremity making them ineffective.

Elihu had this problem with Job’s friends as they counseled him. He listened for a while, refused to speak up because of this cultural issue until he realized he was going to jeopardize his position in God and God was going to look elsewhere for a man with the courage to voice the revelation within him.

Listen to his words in Job 32:6-10 (KJV)

“And Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite answered and said, I am young, and ye are very old; wherefore I was afraid and durst not shew you mine opinion. I said Days should speak, and the multitude of years should teach wisdom.But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding……….therefore I said, Hearken to me; I also will shew mine opinion.”

He later spoke about the consequence of keeping quiet in
Job 32:17-22 saying His Maker will take him out. Elihu actually meant death for in silence you have denied your purpose on the earth.

“I said, I will answer also my part, I also will shew mine opinion.
For I am full of matter, the spirit within me constraineth me. Behold, my belly is as wine which hath no vent; it is ready to burst like new bottles. I will speak, that I may be refreshed: I will open my lips and answer. Let me not, I pray you, accept any man’s person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man. For I know not to give flattering titles; in so doing my maker would soon take me away.”

God places His revelation in two generations in different ways and it is when those two generations “see each other” for as in water face answereth unto face so does the heart of a man answereth to the other.

Proverbs 27:19 As in water face answereth to face, so the heart of man to man.

For there to be a trans-generational blessing not only must the heart of the children turn to their fathers the heart of the fathers must turn towards their children.

Malachi 4:6 “And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.”

God places something unique in each generation and it will take the linking of hands for real progress to be made. The old men will dream dreams and the younger will see visions. This type of relationship will have no iota of disrespect for the elderly but it is just the way God has established it.

As a child grows he or she begins to acquire knowledge beyond what he learned at home and after something can contribute to a conversation and advance the opinion in a family. To keep silent when you know better is disservice even to the elderly.

You make them take positions that may be totally out of tune with what is really going on because you whom God placed around them to give balance was silent and kept feeding the tendency in them that the younger generation know nothing and even after 20 years are still listeners with no voice nor contribution.

Voicing out your opinion should not be done in a disrespectful way and shouldn’t be done in an attack mode but as a regular practice so that it becomes part of the culture.

Giving voice to your revelation doesn’t always have to be in speech but more in action. It is in pursuing the path God has laid down for you that may be slightly different from the approach of the previous generation but you are doing it not out of rebellion but honoring the truth within.

This opinion doesn’t have to be at variance but contributing to the development of a thought, refining what went before. If you are always at variance then you are operating in the flesh.

The way God has designed it is as a generation gets old the younger generation should take them by the hand and drive the agenda. The younger once relied on their insights then the time comes for the older not to be discarded nor shamed but to be held by the hand and shown by the younger the next positioning and glean from their wisdom as the younger drive the agenda.

John 21:18 (KJV)
“18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdest thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.”

It is when the younger do not understand that a change has occurred in the realm of the spirit and they should run with the baton that problems begin to break out. That generation as Elihu said becomes a wasted generation.

The younger generation must know that when you keep quiet and just tow the line because you don’t want to rock the boat you are doing a great disservice to the older generation.

The voice they need to create the balance is in you and you have shut them out of it. This silence is predominantly an African thing and not a biblical concept nor even something rooted in Judaism from where emerged Christianity. Most of the time it is in hypocrisy with a lot of back talks.

Hear what Paul said about mutual benefit.

Romans 1:11-12 (KJV)
“For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established; That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.”
http://newsnow.com.ng/cultural-dimension-that-may-be-destroying-christianity-in-africa-pastor-poju-oyemade-writes/

yoruba and their ijebu weed


it should hv been how Christianity is destroying African culture

hopefulLandlord:


All the info about Africa Religion you got from missionaries who had a goal in mind. History is written by victors

But let me humour you a bit, you have pastors that use their religious power to perpetrate evil and we see such news on the front-page of this website many times so let's start destroying all churches

CC: vaxx

Gracias

The same thing happens in marriages too, a lot of men will never listen to their wives in the name of "I'm the head of the family", if you like roll on the floor and use small voice to tell then pride will not let men act till it becomes too late and they have destroyed the family.

Some people need to read history. Our culture was still developing albeit late when it was scuppered by the white men. Culture evolves. I doubt the kids on here knew of a time when Christians were burning themselves at the stake.

HigherEd:

What do you know about African shrines and paganism. Because some missionaries have fought the fight, you simply don't how dark African religion was. This blood sucking religions took the life of many in form of sacrifices. But if you are such an advocate for African religion why don't you visit Atan Ogun state at 12 midnight. I am not sure they've found someone to sacrifice for their dead king. When you get there and the Oro people are about disloding your head from ur body you would realise how beautiful African religion are.

This show you are half inform about African culture and ways of life... The western society has grown past this stage and Africa will move past it also...

janellemonae:


This is not true. A Christian in ogbomoso will identify wt a Muslim in ogbomosho, before identifying wt a Christian in anambra.

You would be mistaken to think otherwise. Religion is not a demarcating factor among yorubas because a lot of pple wt different religions are related by blood. Siblings, parents, cousins of different religions.etc. You Igbo pple can't seem to comprehend this cos ur all christians and see d other religions, first and foremost, as an outsider.

1. I'm not Igbo.
2. I know tribe comes before religion in yorubaland(makes things more peaceful) , I was showing how religion could be a common ground for people from different tribes.

No. On the other hand, Christianity is destroying our God-given culture.

on the contrary, it is Christianity that is destroying culture in Africa.

hopefulLandlord:


This is a false equivalence of how sectarianism works

As a Madrid fan there's no doctrine that says mine is right and others are wrong, Real Madrid don't have a doctrine that says I shouldn't do business with rival clubs (FC Barcelona and Atletico Madrid) , marry from there (Pique married Shakira, a Madrid fan), have friends from there or even attend and watch their games but sectarianism in Christianity encourages his members not to do this with other sects and brand other sects evil and doomed telling their members they're going to hell unless they join their own sect. This is responsible for a redeem HR of a company hiring a redeemer while passing over a Jehovah's witness who's actually more qualified for the job and vice versa

So yeah, there's a difference between both and its huge

I believe anything you share in common with another person is a uniting factor between both of you.

between people from different tribes, it could be sports, politics, religion.

different sects cause divisions among themselves but each sect can unite people with no common ground. a Yoruba Catholic will have a common ground with an Igbo Catholic since. a Yoruba deeperlife would bond with an Igbo deeperlife.

if there was only one sect of Christianity, it would have brought one common ground that would unite everybody, but the multiple sects are trying to become the sole common ground. this causes more divisions.

although, when a bigger threat to them comes like Islam or atheism, they could put aside their intersect differences and come together based on the fact that they believe in Jesus.

the redeem HR could also look over a more qualified Muslim and hire a JW since they are both Christians. Christianity becomes a uniting factor.

the redeem HR could also look over a more qualified atheist to hire a Muslim since they both believe in god. theism becomes a uniting factor.

everything is relative.

You mean how imported religion(s) is killing our African culture right?

Damn! The replies on this thread gives me so much life and hope for my African people. Seems like a lot of people have stopped drinking the white man's koolaid and are breaking free from the shackles of mental slavery.

@hopefulLandlord, Jesse01, Horus
Y'all make me so proud... love you guys so much. Keep enlightening the sheeple my dear brothers.

So, in other words, what this pastor is trying to say is that respect killed both crew and passengers on board.
Chai! Too much of anything is not good. Too much respect killed everyone on board the plane.