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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 5:46pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
obaaderemi: We need all the foreign investment we can get. So guys its ok to invest in Kenya. But just remember Kenya is a grave yard for many African wanna be companies. I think Dangote was smart to jump ship … 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 5:55pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
254tobby: well, we keep repeating to you fools that Nigeria budgeting system damn different from that of any country in Africa, Nigeria is no Kenya's mate in Most aspects. Twenty states (OUT OF 37 STATES) that have so far presented their 2018 budgets are proposing to spend a total sum of N6.1 trillion (around 20B$) + Federal government Budgets Twenty states that have so far presented their 2018 budgets are proposing to spend a total sum of N6.1 trillion. When the remaining 16 states present theirs, the proposed total expenditure by all the states would definitely be higher than the Federal Government’s N8.6 trillion budget. The budgets of Cross River and Lagos states account for 38 percent of this N6.1 trillion, as they are the first states in the country’s history to hit a trillion threshold in the annual budget. The concern in this seeming competition among the states to present higher budget is how they will get the money to fully implement their budgets, knowing their revenues either come from federation account allocation or internally generated revenue (IGR). As of October, the combined total allocation to all the states from the federation account was N1.4 trillion, higher than the N1.3 trillion of 2016. The average allocation to a state this year is N38 billion while last year’s was N36 billion. NOTE: The funding for this budgets usually comes from Internal generated Revenue or from international lenders N14. 91 billion Here is the breakdown of 2017 IGR across the states Adamawa N6.20 billion Akwa Ibom 15. 95 billion Anambra 17. 36 billion Bauchi N4. 36 billion Bayelsa N12.52 billion Benue N12. 39 billion Borno N4.98 billion Cross Rover N18.10 billion Delta N51.88 billion Ebonyi N5.10 billion Edo N25.34 billion Ekiti N4.96 billion Enugu N22.03 billion Gombe N5.27 billion Jigawa N6.65 billion Imo N6.85 billion Kaduna N26.53 billion Kano N42.41 billion Katsina N6.02 billion Kebbi N4.39 billion Kogi N11.24 billion Kwara N19.63 billion Lagos N333.96 billion Nasarawa N6.17 billion Niger N6.51 billion Ogun 74.83 billion Ondo N10.92 billion Osun N6.48 billion Oyo N22.44 billion Plateau N10.78 billion Rivers N89.48 billion Sokoto N9.01 billion Taraba N5.76 billion Yobe N3.59 billion Zamfara N6.02 billion you better understand it by going to this link below http://yourbudgit.com/data/state/ Now do the calculation your self 9.6Trillion Naira (25,000,002,000.00 US Dollar) + Federal Government = ? 1 Like
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 6:00pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
IGR for Nigeria states (2017)
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Danielnino00(m): 6:03pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
68816419: I was actually bewildered when the dunce posted something about all the 36 Nigerian States Sharif from the Federal budget... When did Kenya and Nigeria start running the same system of government? 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 6:33pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
I guess we can't blame you. Poor education mean you can't even do the basic mathematics. Let try Total Nigeria budget = Total federal budget + Internal Generated Revenue (excl federal allocation) in 36 states ( or You can also try federal budget+state budget - federal allocation). Total federal budget = $29B Total state allocation (N9.5 trillion Naira - remove the federal allocation - otherwise you'll be double counting) - I think you get left with 8-9B dollars Total =29+8=$37B Kenya = Total budget for 2018/2019 (30B with 3B being county allocation +1-2B which counties will generate) =$32B It either basic maths is the problem or the valueless Naira is deluding you. The thing is worth 4 Kshs. Mr. Onyekpere criticised the entire budget outlay, arguing that although the total N8.612 trillion “appears high in Naira terms,” it actually amounted to a “paltry $28.24 billion.” Nigeria economy is supposed to be the biggest in Africa. But, we are the lowest, both in per capita budget figures and in absolute terms. Nigeria is in the middle among South Africa, Algeria, Egypt and Angola. “This year, South Africa is budgeting about $116 billion, against Nigeria’s $23 billion, despite being the highest appropriation ever. Angola is doing $124 billion; Algeria $53 billion and Egypt $40 billion. The question to ask - is WHY IS ANGOLA spending 124B dollars - while Nigeria who are top 10 petrol oil sellers in the world are doing 28B - What is WRONG WITH YOU GUYS. You mean all that oil is just siphoned off? You let shell steal the whole of it? I mean you guys don't even know the offshore oil where it goes WHAT IS WRONG WITH NIGERIA? https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/249059-2018-nigerias-biggest-budget-yet-meagre-compared-angola-south-africas.html |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 6:42pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
I'd love you to add them up to 100-150B dollars. Your biggest rice - there goes for 2B dollars. You have more than 100B dollars. Just give us the market price of Sorghum, Millet and all that. 68816419: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 6:46pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
ATMS are last decade. They are out as favourite channel of delivery as far as Kenya goes. The amount of OPEX to ran ATM is just not scalable. yeah banks will have a few in high traffic areas...but to have building, watch man, backup generator, bla bla.... so Inter-switch is being taken to cleaners as far as kenyan goes...that is why PayNet sold out. The in-thing now is agent banking and mobile money - nearly zero capex and opex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - You think kenyan banks became globally most profitable & fastest growing for so many years by just re-inventing the wheel like Nigeria. Rather than running 2 or 3 ATMS - banks simply appoint agents - your hardware shop or anybody who deals with cash...they get armed with simple digital card reader and legdger book --- and all they do is give or receive money as they do their business....the bank spend zero - and they share the transaction fee with agent - and the hardware shop find a nice way to bank his money without going to the bank! Mobile Money is even greater!! The amount of transactions from agent banking and mobile money is staggering. I told you mobile money alone - Kenya is doing 1.5B transactions - VISA world wide does 28B transactions!!!!!!!!!!!! Your education is so bad I really don't see a future for Nigeria. The very few Nigerian companies in Kenya will be routed without their shirt...In fact anybody with obselete idea in Kenya should fly out to Lagos and get some fool with oil money to burn. obaaderemi: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 6:49pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
rvp20182:Nigga, sates budgets 9.6Trillion Naira (25,000,002,000.00 US Dollar) + Federal Government 8.612 trillion naira ($28.16 billion) = Total budgets $59Billions ...get it now ! 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 6:54pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
Go back to school and learn BASIC maths. Nigeria education systems wasted your time! You're functionally illiterate. You cannot pass grade 4 mathematics. 8.6 trillion minus 5.5 trillion(federal allocation) plus 9.6 trillion is what again or try 9.6 trillion minus 5.5 trillion(federal allocation)+8.6 trillion (federal) budget.[b][/b] You cannot argue with basic maths. You want to double count federal allocation 68816419: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 7:00pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
rvp20182: Are you saying Kenya is ahead of Nigeria in Rice production, or even in most agricultural produces ? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:04pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
Jollof rice - I haven checked - so I am going to first give you the benefit of doubt. I am just saying even US with all it's agriculture and it's productivity (MONSANTO & GMOS), BRAZIL and RUSSIA - all the big boys - don not claim to make 150-200B dollars from agriculture. So yeah let's say you produce 2B dollars worth of rice - next - I know maize is about twice ours ( so I give you another 2B dollars) - You're now about 4B dollars.....I want you to get the tonnes produced for millet, sorguhm , name them and the market prices - all in dollars. And we can have an intellectual argument here. Our agriculture is 20B dollars...I laid down the figures. Do the same. Let see Nigeria the agricultural giant nobody knew about shine 68816419: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:17pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
I can help you with simple google - here is credible data, wheat, rice, corn and sorghum is set at about --16.3 million tons! - from USDA - US Agri dept who knows their stuff. https://oryza.com/tags/nigeria-rice-production-11 I think that pretty much your agriculture don't you agree! I am going to give a best guestimate of 200-300 dollars per tonne for that (It should be 150dollars ) but let me double it. 250*16.3 million tonnes =4 B dollars!!!!!!!!! Your cereal production GDP is mere 4 B dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What else do you have tubers...cassava, yam, sweat potato & ? And we can add ground nuts, cashew nuts, cocoa, kola nuts...and we should be pretty much done. OKay we will add some few fulani beef and milk I doubt you'll even reach 20B dollars like Kenya. It's obvious your AGRI sector is crap compared to Kenya. You inflated your GDP 10 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by freshest4live: 7:26pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
rvp20182:The question is.. Are you saying Kenya is ahead of Nigeria in agricultural production, pls do not tell me you actually believe that. Nigeria is first in Africas farm output and sixth largest in the world with cocoa being the second largest source of revenue after oil. Even your google and wikepedia should have told you so. Dragging NIgeria to your level on this is an insult, I Would rather you compete with only Taraba state on this, not even Benue. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 7:33pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by freshest4live: 7:37pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
Kenya we are not your mates, quit fooling yourselves and go play with Tanzania. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Chila123: 7:39pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:40pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
Nigeria agricluture collapsed the same day Oil was discovered. Yeah Nigeria is about twice Kenya in land size and has about 40% of it's land arable compared to 10% of kenya ( Israel has very little land) but I just don't see how Nigeria agriculture is bigger than Kenya. Lets do the maths. freshest4live: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jason14: 7:40pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
freshest4live:Benue thats in chaos is what fits kenya |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:42pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
I am not seeing anything shocking. What is price per tonne of millet and rice and sorghum. Just do the maths. There is a reason why agriculture is has very little value and account for btw 1-5% of most developed countries. In kenya we don't even bother to count millet or sorghum [quote author=68816419 post=67110895][/quote] 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:51pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
Agri - farming, fishing, livestock+forestry. Okay let's try South Africa. Example of GDP that is not cooked. GDP 350B - Agri is 2.5% - that less than 10B dollars for Agri. US 18 trillion - Agri is mere 180B. Nigeria (400B now - sometimes 500 plus billion ) - share of agri 25%(seen 40% too) - it's agri is worth 100B - at worst - and 150B - at best - Just slightly bellow the UNITED STATE OF AMERICA Kenya - a well known agri giant - GDP (88B) - Agri - 20B (23% share). Now shows us this 100B dollars....even put you all your cereal production 10 times --- what it is - and you'll still not get to 50B dollars 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by freshest4live: 7:52pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
rvp20182:The problem is that you take every criticism you read on Nigeria to be hundred percent. When Nigerians criticize the Government saying agriculture died completely the moment oil was discovered, it does not translate to a zero agricultural activity. In the last era, Akinwumi Adesina led a revival in the agricultural sector and is now doing same for Africa as president of the AFDB. I do not have time to dig out facts for you, but since you love to googlr, you can spend the whole day educating yourself on agriculture in Nigeria, you can even start from wikepedia if you want. I used to think Brazillians should be the ones trying to belittle Nigeria on this, not Kenya for godsake. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:54pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
Yeah I was mistaken. Your agriculture is truly admirable. You shouldn't change nothing. I mean if you can produce 150 billion dollars worth of agriculture - the whole world just don't realize how GREAT your agriculture is. JESUS chrsit...you guys are really thick! freshest4live: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by freshest4live: 7:58pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
rvp20182:How is Kenya a well known agri giant, all through my searches online I have never seen Kenya listed as a dominant producer of anything on any agricultural list in the world. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by freshest4live: 8:01pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
rvp20182:It is not admirable, it is 18 percent of a 400 billion dollar gdp, so not more than 80billion dollars probably, but the problem I have is you comparing it to that of small kenya. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 8:03pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
Maybe something is wrong with your eyes! Have an ophthalmologist check them out freshest4live: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 8:05pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
I am sure you'll now be happier if your GDP was 320B (when the real exchange is used). Trust me but there is no way Nigeria Agri is bigger than Kenya or South Africa - I'd put you total agri GDP at less than 10B dollars. Just proof me wrong by bringing the quantities of all the agri produces and we can get international prices easily. It insane to even imagine it can be compared to Brazil. Or that at you apex - your had nearly same Agri with US of A You guys are basically NET IMPORTER OF FOOD - you import tonnes of wheat, rice, sugar, tomato paste, milk powder, name it. You economy is simple. Sell OIL. Import Food. And that is why to get out of it you guys are thinking of re-starting your long collapsed agriculture. freshest4live: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jason14: 8:10pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
rvp20182:u don't have sense I swear |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 8:13pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
You're just a joker. or well a joke. jason14: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 8:15pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
freshest4live:Kenya that can't produce enough corn despite being a GREAT agricultural country. And to think corn is their number one staple. https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Outcry-as-Uganda-maize-floods-local-market-/996-4254214-lge1op/index.html 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 8:15pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
Nigeria - apparently is big rice producer - but still import tonnes of them - including plastic rice Nigeria spent 6.5 Billion dollars to import food. There is basically no agriculture there. The 10B dollars (South Africa size) seem an uphill task https://www.cnbcafrica.com/news/west-africa/2016/01/20/audu-ogbeh-nigeria-kola-masha/ |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by freshest4live: 8:17pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
rvp20182: Nigeria ranks sixth worldwide and first in Africa in farm output. The sector accounts for about 18% of GDP and almost one-third of employment. Nigeria has 19 million head of cattle, the largest in Africa.[29] Though Nigeria is no longer a major exporter, due to local consumer boom, it is still a major producer of many agricultural products, including: cocoa, groundnuts (peanuts), rubber, and palm oil. Cocoa production, mostly from obsolete varieties and overage trees has increased from around 180,000 tons annually to 350,000 tons. Major agricultural products include cassava (tapioca), corn, cocoa, millet, palm oil, peanuts, rice, rubber, sorghum, and yams. In 2003, livestock production, in order of metric tonnage, featured eggs, milk, beef and veal, poultry, and pork, respectively. In the same year, the total fishing catch was 505.8 metric tons. Roundwood removals totaled slightly less than 70 million cubic meters, and sawnwood production was estimated at 2 million cubic meters. The agricultural sector suffers from extremely low productivity, reflecting reliance on antiquated methods. Agriculture has failed to keep pace with Nigeria's rapid population growth, so that the country, which once exported food, now imports a significant amount of food to sustain itself. However, efforts are being made towards making the country food sufficient again. source..wikepedia |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 8:18pm On Apr 28, 2018 |
That is true - we produce anything btw 35-45 million bags of maize - about 3.5M metric tonnes (Nigeria does 6.5M metric tonnes) - but our consumption is slightly more - we need 50M bags of maize -- so we have small short-fall that is feed by Uganda and Tanzania. obaaderemi: |
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