Saladin25:

Common, am also a Yoruba person, but am a Nigerian first ahead of any ethnic/religion. Using that derogatory statement isn't okay. After I did all my findings about the origin of Oduduwa I realised, the Benin account is somehow right. If Oduduwa never came from Benin, the Chiefs of Benin wouldn't have picked Oranmiyan to come and become King after the Ogiso dynasty came to an end.

Thank you bro.

This is coming from a Yoruba brother who is utilizing objectivity maximally. Not dumb fvcks like [b][/b]macof who just rallies beer parlor talk.

steveosaz:


You must be deeply hurt from your predicaments in this country. I sometimes sympathize with you internally displaced people. It must be particularly difficult being an Igbo man in Nigeria of today.

President, dem no gree una, Biafra nko, dem give una egwu eke (Python dance).

For now, Hausa Fulani are still colonizing you after the British. If you get your second independence, then you can continue your dream.

We are not even particular about president and the jgbi are doing extremely great in all facets of life and we are fine
.we are working on biafra project

Now the Yoruba has abandoned you
The Igbo don't even want you
The ijaw has done a number on you..called your Oba bluffs had Gelegele under them

You just live in fanatsy of oba ota okpa ewu ...the king that eats the leg of a goat

Who takes you guys serious again ..I was at Benin last week...Ugbowo and New Benin to be precise..that city is one big shit hole a slum ! With dirty sacrifice littered everywhere

steveosaz:


You must be deeply hurt from your predicaments in this country. I sometimes sympathize with you internally displaced people. It must be particularly difficult being an Igbo man in Nigeria of today.

President, dem no gree una, Biafra nko, dem give una egwu eke (Python dance).

For now, Hausa Fulani are still colonizing you after the British. If you get your second independence, then you can continue your dream.

They are killing you guys steady....u was in Benin last week and the governor is shouting and esan people are saying they can't even go to farms because of Fulani ...your crazy oba is walking up and down...well if they can't get Gelegele from ijaw ...is it the farm they would get from Fulani

If Nigeria crashes look at how we would share Benin
Yoruba would take Akoko Edo Utsen, utua etc
Igbo would take Iganke, Abudu etc
Ijaw have taken Gelegele already
Hausa Fulani is takung Auchi environs already

Then we would reduce your oba to community chief

steveosaz:


Good of you.

This brother of yours is a genetic mistake. Spewing hubris all over.

We are all brothers

Moneywomen17:
but according to the guy I was arguing with if u have eyes he denied the existence of oduduwa or oranmiyan he even said the oba of Benin accepting ofuduwa as his father is just a folklore by the oba. Now to answer ur question according to ife where oduduwa actually reigned as king they said he came from oke-Ora. Now before u start spewing jargon like he few from the sky and knack his head on the floor or that he came from Mecca let me explain to u. Oduduwa coming from heaven was a myth made after his death after his deification he was admitted into the Yoruba pantheon another example is Sango son of oranmiyan after his death he was admitted to the Yoruba pantheon same as Ogun god of war. About Mecca it was a recent claim by Yoruba Muslim to connect him with their faith it’s all false just like ibo being Jew. Oduduwa is not from ife but still Yoruba from a neighboring village. Ur lost Benin prince is not oduduwa he was probably eaten in the forest they left him.

You should read this drivel again and see it has anything with the semblance of common sense. So its still your so called Yoruba that are also doctoring your history. I guess that's how the lamurudu connection came about too.

See, whether you like it or not, Your Oduduwa was the Izoduwa or Ekaladerhan of Bini.

That makes the Ooni Oba of Benin's son. That's that.

steveosaz:


You should read this drivel again and see it has anything with the semblance of common sense. So its still your so called Yoruba that are also doctoring your history. I guess that's how the lamurudu connection came about too.

See, whether you like it or not, Your Oduduwa was the Izoduwa or Ekaladerhan of Bini.

That makes the Ooni Oba of Benin's son. That's that.

You are an Edo man. You are just spewing nonsense. A Bini person does not talk like this. Is Ekaladerhan immortalized anywhere? Please teach me what i dont know. Where is a shrine for him? Where is a compound for him? Where is his crown....his staff, his throne? Have you lost ya mind?

steveosaz:


You should read this drivel again and see it has anything with the semblance of common sense. So its still your so called Yoruba that are also doctoring your history. I guess that's how the lamurudu connection came about too.

See, whether you like it or not, Your Oduduwa was the Izoduwa or Ekaladerhan of Bini.

That makes the Ooni Oba of Benin's son. That's that.

The guy just told you wat the people who are actually oduduwa's family members say about him and you are still trying to shove a made up story down everyone's throat

Were you there to know that Oduduwa was Izoduwa or Ekaladerhan? That cannot be that just because you say. you need to have an open mind

ariesbull:


They are killing you guys steady....u was in Benin last week and the governor is shouting and esan people are saying they can't even go to farms because of Fulani ...your crazy oba is walking up and down...well if they can't get Gelegele from ijaw ...is it the farm they would get from Fulani

If Nigeria crashes look at how we would share Benin
Yoruba would take Akoko Edo Utsen, utua etc
Igbo would take Iganke, Abudu etc
Ijaw have taken Gelegele already
Hausa Fulani is takung Auchi environs already

Then we would reduce your oba to community chief

Stop disgracing your tribe abeg!!!
Within the Nigeria of today, there is no single ethnic entity that has the number of enemies the Igbo have. At least Nnamdi KANU helped increase that number.
Hausa na una nemesis
Fulani, Igbo enemy.
Yoruba, Igbo enemy.
Efik, Igbo enemy
Ibibio, Igbo enemy.
Urhobo, Igbo enemy.
Itsekiri, Igbo enemy.
Edo, Igbo enemy.
Ijaw, Igbo enemy.

Even the Israel you jokers claim to come from, they did DNA analysis and confirmed that they have no similarities with you guys - REJECTED!!!

SOUTH AFRICA is doing xenophobia against you people.
INDONESIA is hanging you like chickens everyday for drugs.
CHINA has Igbo people in prison as if na football match una go watch there.

Even here in Nigeria, you still hate yourselves. Ozubulu massacre.

Meanwhile, you are internally displaced and wouldn't stay at home roaming all the corners of the country that's why you easily fall victim when crisis occurs.

The other day, Arewa youths gave you fools quit notice, your elders started begging up and down like fools.

Before that, Fashola deported so many of your back to you landlocked, crime infested region.

Again, the Oba of Lagos, Akiolu threatened that some of you would perish in the lagoon. - What a tribe!

All these things are happening to you and would continue happening to you because of the stupidity of your likes.

Don't be carried away by this game being played here by the Edos and yorubas. It has always been like this, but in reality, both groups remain friends.

But who can be a friend to greedy Igbo's?

The entire south east is an IDP camp. That's why you people still refer to Lagos as no mans land.

Nna, go sell market abeg. You lack common sense.

steveosaz:


You should read this drivel again and see it has anything with the semblance of common sense. So its still your so called Yoruba that are also doctoring your history. I guess that's how the lamurudu connection came about too.

See, whether you like it or not, Your Oduduwa was the Izoduwa or Ekaladerhan of Bini.

That makes the Ooni Oba of Benin's son. That's that.

the family of the guy in contention oduduwa where he became king and died and was buried said he is from oke-Ora but u who probably just heard of him from online say he is some foolish lost Benin prince. A lot of people distort history according to ur own ogiamen family of bini he said ur oba is a Yoruba migrant the bini historian that most of u try to shamelessly say his mother is Yoruba also buttress a lot of the things yoruba say. Ooni seats on the stool of oduduwa not the bini man so how is Ooni his son when the Ooni is the legitimate ruler of the seat of his father why the bini king is just ruling another stool which is not oduduwa own. Ur oba of bini came to ife and he was shown where his ancestors were buried including the first oba oranmiyan. This is ife not bini. Anyway am done arguing

No need for argument on the history because we do not and cannot know for sure

For example, why is oranmiyan’s staff, Opa oranmiyan, marked in Aramaic ? And why did Oduduwa come with a book written in aramaic which is still present in ife ?

I guess we cannot know for sure

Moneywomen17:
the family of the guy in contention oduduwa where he became king and died and was buried said he is from oke-Ora but u who probably just heard of him from online say he is some foolish lost Benin prince. A lot of people distort history according to ur own ogiamen family of bini he said ur oba is a Yoruba migrant the bini historian that most of u try to shamelessly say his mother is Yoruba also buttress a lot of the things yoruba say. Ooni seats on the stool of oduduwa not the bini man so how is Ooni his son when the Ooni is the legitimate ruler of the seat of his father why the bini king is just ruling another stool which is not oduduwa own. Ur oba of bini came to ife and he was shown where his ancestors were buried including the first oba oranmiyan. This is ife not bini. Anyway am done arguing

You are just making a mockery of all you are trying to propose Stop confusing dates. What happened in Benin after Oranmiyan is not essentially disputed, what happened under the Ogiso dynasty is also not in contention. What you yorubas are dubiously trying to confuse yourselves with is what happened in the interregnum of the current line of kings and the Ogiso. Olokun, Ogun, ifa, no one disputes they were from I've including ogboni. However, while you jokers are unable to clearly state where Oduduwa came from, the Bini's can and have.

Tell all the lies you can, it doesn't change a thing about what we have achieved in the past.
Learn to streamline your arguments rather than beating around the bush.

Moorish:
No need for argument on the history because we do not and cannot know for sure

For example, why is oranmiyan’s staff, Opa oranmiyan, marked in Aramaic ? And why did Oduduwa come with a book written in aramaic which is still present in ife ?

I guess we cannot know for sure

opa Oranmiyan marked in Aramaic?? Oduduwa came with a book?
Never heard this

steveosaz:


You are just making a mockery of all you are trying to propose Stop confusing dates. What happened in Benin after Oranmiyan is not essentially disputed, what happened under the Ogiso dynasty is also not in contention. What you yorubas are dubiously trying to confuse yourselves with is what happened in the interregnum of the current line of kings and the Ogiso. Olokun, Ogun, ifa, no one disputes they were from I've including ogboni. However, while you jokers are unable to clearly state where Oduduwa came from, the Bini's can and have.

Tell all the lies you can, it doesn't change a thing about what we have achieved in the past.
Learn to streamline your arguments rather than beating around the bush.

but who is in a better position to speak on oduduwa? His family in Ife or people who just heard about him in Bini?

Well nobody was there all we can do is gather the left over pieces of information and set them together

steveosaz:


Stop disgracing your tribe abeg!!!
Within the Nigeria of today, there is no single ethnic entity that has the number of enemies the Igbo have. At least Nnamdi KANU helped increase that number.
Hausa na una nemesis
Fulani, Igbo enemy.
Yoruba, Igbo enemy.
Efik, Igbo enemy
Ibibio, Igbo enemy.
Urhobo, Igbo enemy.
Itsekiri, Igbo enemy.
Edo, Igbo enemy.
Ijaw, Igbo enemy.

Even the Israel you jokers claim to come from, they did DNA analysis and confirmed that they have no similarities with you guys - REJECTED!!!

SOUTH AFRICA is doing xenophobia against you people.
INDONESIA is hanging you like chickens everyday for drugs.
CHINA has Igbo people in prison as if na football match una go watch there.

Even here in Nigeria, you still hate yourselves. Ozubulu massacre.

Meanwhile, you are internally displaced and wouldn't stay at home roaming all the corners of the country that's why you easily fall victim when crisis occurs.

The other day, Arewa youths gave you fools quit notice, your elders started begging up and down like fools.

Before that, Fashola deported so many of your back to you landlocked, crime infested region.

Again, the Oba of Lagos, Akiolu threatened that some of you would perish in the lagoon. - What a tribe!

All these things are happening to you and would continue happening to you because of the stupidity of your likes.

Don't be carried away by this game being played here by the Edos and yorubas. It has always been like this, but in reality, both groups remain friends.

But who can be a friend to greedy Igbo's?

The entire south east is an IDP camp. That's why you people still refer to Lagos as no mans land.

Nna, go sell market abeg. You lack common sense.

So you wrote all these Epistle...I didn't even read it but pls get Gelegele...it's gone forever

steveosaz:


[s]Stop disgracing your tribe abeg!!!
Within the Nigeria of today, there is no single ethnic entity that has the number of enemies the Igbo have. At least Nnamdi KANU helped increase that number.
Hausa na una nemesis
Fulani, Igbo enemy.
Yoruba, Igbo enemy.
Efik, Igbo enemy
Ibibio, Igbo enemy.
Urhobo, Igbo enemy.
Itsekiri, Igbo enemy.
Edo, Igbo enemy.
Ijaw, Igbo enemy.

Even the Israel you jokers claim to come from, they did DNA analysis and confirmed that they have no similarities with you guys - REJECTED!!!

SOUTH AFRICA is doing xenophobia against you people.
INDONESIA is hanging you like chickens everyday for drugs.
CHINA has Igbo people in prison as if na football match una go watch there.

Even here in Nigeria, you still hate yourselves. Ozubulu massacre.

Meanwhile, you are internally displaced and wouldn't stay at home roaming all the corners of the country that's why you easily fall victim when crisis occurs.

The other day, Arewa youths gave you fools quit notice, your elders started begging up and down like fools.

Before that, Fashola deported so many of your back to you landlocked, crime infested region.

Again, the Oba of Lagos, Akiolu threatened that some of you would perish in the lagoon. - What a tribe!

All these things are happening to you and would continue happening to you because of the stupidity of your likes.

Don't be carried away by this game being played here by the Edos and yorubas. It has always been like this, but in reality, both groups remain friends.

But who can be a friend to greedy Igbo's?

The entire south east is an IDP camp. That's why you people still refer to Lagos as no mans land.

Nna, go sell market abeg. You lack common sense[/s].

you are not deserving of a response

steveosaz:


This is where you make a fool of yourself.

Oba of Benin is NOT a Yoruba monarch. Alaafin is even greater than your so called Ooni.

Who is visiting who now between them?

If you are not from the Benin Royal family,then,sincerely this is not your business.It is the business of the Yoruba.
The Ooni is not having any ceremony or event yet the whole paraphernalia of office and the Oba of Benin whose office I hold in high esteem, went to dobale in Ile Ife says it all.
The Benin Royalty is Yoruba,that may not be true for the subjects of the Oba of Benin.
That's why it's only the heads of the departed Oba of Benin that is buried in Ile Ife.

steveosaz:


You are just making a mockery of all you are trying to propose Stop confusing dates. What happened in Benin after Oranmiyan is not essentially disputed, what happened under the Ogiso dynasty is also not in contention. What you yorubas are dubiously trying to confuse yourselves with is what happened in the interregnum of the current line of kings and the Ogiso. Olokun, Ogun, ifa, no one disputes they were from I've including ogboni. However, while you jokers are unable to clearly state where Oduduwa came from, the Bini's can and have.

Tell all the lies you can, it doesn't change a thing about what we have achieved in the past.
Learn to streamline your arguments rather than beating around the bush.

You still don't know that all your lies of been busted by ignoring the significance of the visit of every Oba of Benin to Ile Ife and why their heads get buried in Ile Ife.
Those ancestors of the Yoruba saw into the future by insisting that the heads of their sons be buried in Ile Ife

OlaoChi:
opa Oranmiyan marked in Aramaic?? Oduduwa came with a book?
Never heard this

You can look up pictures of the staff on google

shizzle1:
you are not deserving of a response

Ogbeni, direct your needless response to the foolishness of your brother.

I guess you shouldn't be too dumb to know what brought about all these.

Wealthandjobs:

If you are not from the Benin Royal family,then,sincerely this is not your business.It is the business of the Yoruba.
The Ooni is not having any ceremony or event yet the whole paraphernalia of office and the Oba of Benin whose office I hold in high esteem, went to dobale in Ile Ife says it all.
The Benin Royalty is Yoruba,that may not be true for the subjects of the Oba of Benin.
That's why it's only the heads of the departed Oba of Benin that is buried in Ile Ife.

Call it dobale or whatever, even your Ooni who is a stranger from where no one knows is aware that the Oba of Benin is his father any day any time.

There's nothing you or anyone else would say that would change that.

Moorish:
No need for argument on the history because we do not and cannot know for sure

For example, why is oranmiyan’s staff, Opa oranmiyan, marked in Aramaic ? And why did Oduduwa come with a book written in aramaic which is still present in ife ?

I guess we cannot know for sure

People just enjoy conjuring nonsense or spreading rumour. Abeg which Opa Oranmiyan has aramaic on it. I am in Ife and would like for you to tell me what part of the obelisk it is written on. Also, what part of the palace is the aramaic book kept and who is in charge of it. I have access to the palace and know people to ask.

I am waiting.

Y0ruba:


People just enjoy conjuring nonsense or spreading rumour. Abeg which Opa Oranmiyan has aramaic on it. I am in Ife and would like for you to tell me what part of the obelisk it is written on. Also, what part of the palace is the aramaic book kept and who is in charge of it. I have access to the palace and know people to ask.

I am waiting.

“Oranmiyan was a great warrior and he had a sword. At the point of his death, he dropped the sword and it transformed into the staff as we see it today. The marks you see on it are letters that some scholars said have close relationship with Greek letters.”

http://thenationonlineng.net/myths-surrounding-oranmiyan-staff/

Those are some myths surrounding the obelisk

However the inscriptions on it are from the near east .. Greek, Aramaic like lettering

I am open to learning more if this is false.

Opa Oranmiyan to the Yoruba, staff of Orion to the Greeks

Odduduwa’s progenitors came from the near east

Read Samuel johnson’s Book

Also check out “the origin of the Yoruba and the lost tribes of israel” by Belgian anthropologist dierke Lange

Moorish:


“Oranmiyan was a great warrior and he had a sword. At the point of his death, he dropped the sword and it transformed into the staff as we see it today. The marks you see on it are letters that some scholars said have close relationship with Greek letters.”

http://thenationonlineng.net/myths-surrounding-oranmiyan-staff/

Those are some myths surrounding the obelisk

However the inscriptions on it are from the near east .. Greek, Aramaic like lettering

I am open to learning more if this is false.

Opa Oranmiyan to the Yoruba, staff of Orion to the Greeks

Odduduwa’s progenitors came from the near east

Read Samuel johnson’s Book

Also check out “the origin of the Yoruba and the lost tribes of israel” by Belgian anthropologist dierke Lange

This doesn't even make sense. Why and how would Yoruba have anything written in Aramaic or Greek?

If you have been following this thread, I think the major argument has been between those who say oduduwa came from Bini and those who say according to Ife tradition he came from a nearby village
The near East is an obsolete hypothesis without logic or evidence
I think Samuel Johnson's book has been disregarded as an authority on Yoruba history for almost half a century now, new information has been collated since then

All this kind of near East and Semitic connection claims are borne out of the feeling of self inadequacy of the black man

OlaoChi:


This doesn't even make sense. Why and how would Yoruba have anything written in Aramaic or Greek?

If you have been following this thread, I think the major argument has been between those who say oduduwa came from Bini and those who say according to Ife tradition he came from a nearby village
The near East is an obsolete hypothesis without logic or evidence
I think Samuel Johnson's book has been disregarded as an authority on Yoruba history for almost half a century now, new information has been collated since then

All this kind of near East and Semitic connection claims are borne out of the feeling of self inadequacy of the black man

You shouldn't try to sweep some aspects of your history under he carpet simply because thy are unpalatable to you.

Have you taken your time to even verify the claim to determine whether its true or false? Anyway, that's the same attitude of deliberate falsehood some of you guys have attended to this topic on group.

steveosaz:


You shouldn't try to sweep some aspects of your history under he carpet simply because thy are unpalatable to you.

Have you taken your time to even verify the claim to determine whether its true or false? Anyway, that's the same attitude of deliberate falsehood some of you guys have attended to this topic on group.

I have. And when you think of it, it becomes obvious that it doesn't even make sense. How can Oduduwa be from Israel? But Yoruba had no knowledge of Israel before Europeans brought Christianity
Also how convenient is it that these claims are coming from people who hold on to the bible(in other words Christians)

I thought you were among those saying he came from Bini?

steveosaz:


Call it dobale or whatever, even your Ooni who is a stranger from where no one knows is aware that the Oba of Benin is his father any day any time.

There's nothing you or anyone else would say that would change that.

The current Oba of Benin just continued in the tradition of his ancestors who descended from the loins of their Yoruba progenitor; Oranmiyan and you are bitter.
Is it your own dobale he did to the Ooni and why are you the subjects of the respected Oba so upset at the facts. The Oba was not forced to go to Ile Ife,he knew he must go to Ile Ife where his roots are and according to tradition,he was taken to the location where his ancestors were buried and he was told his history in the presence of his chiefs and palace hands yet you still argue.
If you are Benin and not from the Benin Royalty,just mind your business.
Go back and ask members of the Benin Royalty,it is a sacrilege for them not to go back to Ile Ife alive or dead.

Moorish:


“Oranmiyan was a great warrior and he had a sword. At the point of his death, he dropped the sword and it transformed into the staff as we see it today. The marks you see on it are letters that some scholars said have close relationship with Greek letters.”

http://thenationonlineng.net/myths-surrounding-oranmiyan-staff/

Those are some myths surrounding the obelisk

However the inscriptions on it are from the near east .. Greek, Aramaic like lettering

I am open to learning more if this is false.

Opa Oranmiyan to the Yoruba, staff of Orion to the Greeks

Odduduwa’s progenitors came from the near east

Read Samuel johnson’s Book

Also check out “the origin of the Yoruba and the lost tribes of israel” by Belgian anthropologist dierke Lange

I would cite sources for my statement here but I just got off work and I’m not in the mood to scrape through books right now.

1. If the scribbles on the obelisk were close to Aramaic or Greek then the content of the doodle would have been unraveled. In conclusion, archeologists from Frank Wilket, W. Fagge & Ade Obayemi to mention didn’t know what language it is despite years of studying and no one knows till date.

2. Inscriptions and nails pinned into the obelisk have nothing to do with ‘east’. A visit to certain compounds in Ife like Ile Opa and Frobenius work, one would know these obelisks abound in Ife with different sizes and doodles on them. It shows at a point in Ife art, obelisk making was a trend that was local and had nothing to do with ‘east’.

3. Well, you’ll need to read up on pages of NL to as far back as 2009/2010. Oduduwa’s matter has been thrashed. Furthermore, ‘near east’ origins of Oduduwa is Oyo history which stemmed from Islam’s grasp on the Oyo throne with an attendant origin in the Middle East - see J.D.Y Peel’s work on Christianity, Islam & Orisa Religion. (The same was Ketu & Egba have their own narratives about the man).

4. Oduduwa’s progenitors came from Ife in Oke-Ora. His real name was Osin-Ora. See This is Ile Ife by Eluyemi, Ife the Genesis of Yoruba Race by Ademakinwa, The Constitutional History of Ife Ooyelagbo by M.A. Fabunmi, This is Ile-Ife by M.A Makinde & A History of Yoruba by Prof. Akintoye S.A to mention a few

5. Dierk Lange was a German. He wrote ‘Ancient Kingdoms of West Africa: African-centered and Canaanite-Israelite Perspectives; a Collection of Published and Unpublished Studies in English and French’ in which he collapsed the paper you cited in. Read up on Hamitic Hypothesis and its status since the 20th C - I wanted to cite a work that dealt with it but I am exhausted already.

Y0ruba:



I would cite sources for my statement here but I just got off work and I’m not in the mood to scrape through books right now.

1. If the scribbles on the obelisk were close to Aramaic or Greek then the content of the doodle would have been unraveled. In conclusion, archeologists from Frank Wilket, W. Fagge & Ade Obayemi to mention didn’t know what language it is despite years of studying and no one knows till date.

2. Inscriptions and nails pinned into the obelisk have nothing to do with ‘east’. A visit to certain compounds in Ife like Ile Opa and Frobenius work, one would know these obelisks abound in Ife with different sizes and doodles on them. It shows at a point in Ife art, obelisk making was a trend that was local and had nothing to do with ‘east’.

3. Well, you’ll need to read up on pages of NL to as far back as 2009/2010. Oduduwa’s matter has been thrashed. Furthermore, ‘near east’ origins of Oduduwa is Oyo history which stemmed from Islam’s grasp on the Oyo throne with an attendant origin in the Middle East - see J.D.Y Peel’s work on Christianity, Islam & Orisa Religion. (The same was Ketu & Egba have their own narratives about the man).

4. Oduduwa’s progenitors came from Ife in Oke-Ora. His real name was Osin-Ora. See This is Ile Ife by Eluyemi, Ife the Genesis of Yoruba Race by Ademakinwa, The Constitutional History of Ife Ooyelagbo by M.A. Fabunmi, This is Ile-Ife by M.A Makinde & A History of Yoruba by Prof. Akintoye S.A to mention a few

5. Dierk Lange was a German. He wrote ‘Ancient Kingdoms of West Africa: African-centered and Canaanite-Israelite Perspectives; a Collection of Published and Unpublished Studies in English and French’ in which he collapsed the paper you cited in. Read up on Hamitic Hypothesis and its status since the 20th C - I wanted to cite a work that dealt with it but I am exhausted already.

I think you are a scholar

And I concede defeat in this case.

I have a question

Have the ife heads vs Benin heads been carbon dated ?

I need to know which of the two kingdoms is more ancient

Why did the Benins ask for a Yoruba man to come be their king?

This is some thought provoking stuff you presented, I will research those references

Thank you !

OlaoChi:
I have. And when you think of it, it becomes obvious that it doesn't even make sense. How can Oduduwa be from Israel? But Yoruba had no knowledge of Israel before Europeans brought Christianity
Also how convenient is it that these claims are coming from people who hold on to the bible(in other words Christians)

I thought you were among those saying he came from Bini?

Can you now see that evm from your own postulations, you don't have a clue where that Oduduwa chap came from(that's from Yoruba angle).

The Bini claim is totally independent of what you guys are contending here.

Wealthandjobs:

The current Oba of Benin just continued in the tradition of his ancestors who descended from the loins of their Yoruba progenitor; Oranmiyan and you are bitter.
Is it your own dobale he did to the Ooni and why are you the subjects of the respected Oba so upset at the facts. The Oba was not forced to go to Ile Ife,he knew he must go to Ile Ife where his roots are and according to tradition,he was taken to the location where his ancestors were buried and he was told his history in the presence of his chiefs and palace hands yet you still argue.
If you are Benin and not from the Benin Royalty,just mind your business.
Go back and ask members of the Benin Royalty,it is a sacrilege for them not to go back to Ile Ife alive or dead.

You keep beating to the gallery.

His visit to Ife was part of a nationwide tour. When Ooni visited Alaafin, was he also going for dobale? You can now see how skewed your reasoning and logic is.

steveosaz:


You keep beating to the gallery.

His visit to Ife was part of a nationwide tour. When Ooni visited Alaafin, was he also going for dobale? You can now see how skewed your reasoning and logic is.

Call it nationwide tour so that you can have a good night sleep at night but this visit is different from any other "tour". Nowhere else will the Oba of Benin visit that he would be taken to where his biological ancestors are buried and told the story of his origin.
You are clearly not from the Benin Royal family and that's why you don't know how very important this visit is to the Benin Royal family.
The next time you want to argue or lie about the history of Benin,remember to make a distinction between the history of the Benin Royal family which is Yoruba and the history of the rest of you from Benin but not from the Benin Royal family.
God bless you

Moorish:

I think you are a scholar

And I concede defeat in this case.

I have a question

Have the ife heads vs Benin heads been carbon dated ?

I need to know which of the two kingdoms is more ancient

Why did the Benins ask for a Yoruba man to come be their king?

This is some thought provoking stuff you presented, I will research those references

Thank you !

1. Yes, you will find several texts on this on googlebooks. Many of the Ife works have been dated to 10th C while Bini have been mostly around 15th C. For Ife, look up Ade Obayemi’s works; for Benin, look up PC Lloyd & Bradbury’s works. For a somewhat comparative study, see Suzanne Preston Blier, Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, c.1300

2. Early Yoruba scholars agreed that Ife was a foremost Yoruba kingdom/empire that controlled vast lands until Owu and Oyo emerged. Ife was known for its monarchy & trade. Frobenius recorded to have heard of Ife in as far as Mali when he wrote his work between 1910 & 1913. However, archeologists have unearthed Ife glass beads in Mali & modern day Burkina Faso. This politico-economic status of Ife influenced the expansionist actions of Ife princes & commoners in other towns where they led or played important political roles. Most Ife princes/commoners who went to other towns met peoples and socio-political structures on ground - for example there was Oloyo who founded Oyo whose position Oranmiyan assumed for a shortwhile to stabilize the kingdom, same thing he did in Bini. Ajero, Alara, Owa Obokun, Ogboru, Maye, Alaketu, Onipopo, Orangun & so on subsumed systems on ground. Oranmiyan did the same in Bini when he warred with a certain Bini group - if he was ‘invited’, how come he had difficulty ruling them? Have you also wondered why Ife was a major bead trading center (like Lagos is right now) and Bini use beads royally, something not produced in their domain?

I’ll go now.

Cheers and pardon typos.