More often than not, many Christians object to certain "sexual orientations" which I also consider weird: most especially the LGBT community.

Several years ago, when I first heard that a man can be attracted to a man, or a woman to a woman, my brain struggled to process it. Despite the fact that i was irreligious, i still couldn't understand why people would be this way.

Fast forward many years later, I began to see more fierce advocacy for tolerating the LGBT community and even legalizing such sexual orientations.


Many Christians often, reject outrightly the immorality of the LGBT community, giving the biblical backing: “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." - Romans 1:26-27.


Well, this may explain why several LGBT I've seen, heard or read, claim to be irreligious.

Christians claim that their moral yardstick is the Life of Christ, the Bible, the holy spirit, amongst others.
Critics claim that morality supersedes religion or morality is subjective or morality evolves, and other related claims.

The claim from critics has made a valid case for the LGBT community in different western countries and most countries seem to have legalized some of these "sexual orientations".

Moving close to the people in question or reading their opinions online, you would notice their reasons for being the way they are.

" I was born this way"
"LGBT are sexual orientations, just like heterosexuals"
"LGBT is natural"
"There is scientific evidence observing homosexuality amongst animals"

These are usually the lines used by the LGBT community or those who sympathetic towards the community.

Critics also think that:
"Another mans sexual preference is not my busines or yours"
"Sex between two consenting adults is none of my business, nor should it be yours"
"So long they are not harming anyone, its not my business nor should it be yours" (Well they seem to think physical harm is superior to psychological harm).


I have always had 2 issues with the LGBT community and those who support their actions.


1. Mere orientation is not enough

Whether or not someone is naturally oriented to be romantically and sexually attracted to people of the same gender does not mean that it is automatically morally acceptable.

If a person's natural predisposition toward same-sex attraction means that it is normal "for them" and thereby acceptable, then we run into problems. What do we do with people who are naturally oriented towards being attracted to children, i.e., pedophilia? Is it morally wrong? If so, why? You see, if we say that a "natural" orientation in sexuality should automatically be accepted because it is what is "natural" to a person, then the same logic could be used to support the idea that pedophilia--which people also claim is natural for them--is also acceptable.

"Using the same tactics used by 'gay' rights activists, pedophiles have begun to seek similar status arguing their desire for children is a sexual orientation no different than heterosexual or homosexuals." - Matthewvines

So, is one's sexual orientation a sufficient argument to justify homosexuality? No, it is not. One's orientation doesn't mean it is okay. If you say it does make it okay, then you must accept pedophilia since that is a person's "sexual orientation." If you say one's orientation doesn't make something okay, then you can logically reject pedophilia. But, this would mean that homosexual's arguments based on sexual orientation are void--and rightfully so.

What about those who have an orientation that is heavily in favor of lying? Does one's "truth orientation" make it okay to lie since that is how he was born? Or what if someone is oriented towards adultery or murder or violence or hatred, pornography, various fetishes, etc. Does one's orientation--that natural predisposition toward a certain behavior and attraction--automatically make it okay just because he was born that way? Of course not, yet that is the argument used by the homosexuals.


2. And I've always asked, what about Necrophilia, bestiality, incest and other weird "sexual orientations"

Who is to determine if other sexual orientations are weird?

- Canada has legalized bestiality
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bestiality-legal-canada-supreme-court-a7073196.html


- Necrophilia is legal in certain states in America
http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/14/having-sex-with-corpses-is-still-legal-in-several-american-states-5391008/


- According to a youth group in sweden, Incest and necrophilia 'should be legal'.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/incest-and-necrophilia-should-be-legal-youth-swedish-liberal-peoples-party-a6891476.html?amp


- Interestingly, we still seem to think paedophilia is wrong.

Maybe its none of my business, maybe its none of the business of anyone who thinks these acts are wrong, you certainly cannot argue that legalizing these weird sexual activities do not have any psychological effect on other people and society.


This might be none of my business too, but I cringed when I heard this of a Finnish court.
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/05/sex-between-a-23-year-old-migrant-and-a-10-year-old-girl-is-not-rape-says-court-in-finland/

So if we think 10 year olds or other minors can give sexual consent, then who is to say they are inherently wrong? Plus, this makes a valid case for paedophilia. It indicates that children can now give consent. Rapists can also argue that rape is their preferred sexual orientation, as far as i know, some people consider rape their own fetish.

Personally, I think we are nearing a breaking point. If we think we can be good without objective moral values, then everything must be permitted, because just anything can be argued. We must however be ready for the consequences.

In the absence of objective moral values, It is left to the government to then decide for us what is considered legal or moral, and what is not. But we must not forget that decisions made by the government are reflections of individual moral values of involved government officials.

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"We are always near the breaking-point, when we care only for what is legal and nothing for what is lawful" - G.K Chesterton.

Smh this religious obsession with sex. If you ask religious people why they are against LGBT people, first thing that pops out is it's unnatural. Well, all species that have sex have homosexual individuals. ALL of them. What's unnatural is humans using religion to straitjacket everyone into a heterosexual category.

gabe:
Smh this religious obsession with sex. If you ask religious people why they are against LGBT people, first thing that pops out is it's unnatural. Well, all species that have sex have homosexual individuals. ALL of them. What's unnatural is humans using religion to straitjacket everyone into a heterosexual category.

This is not about religion, don't get worked up.

This is about why any sexual orientation is more weird than another. This is about the problems of subjective morality.

It is about religion winner. Just go back and count how many times op mentioned a religion, a religious position, doctrine and ideology, and a supposedly god given morality!

winner01:
This is not about religion.

budaatum:
It is about religion winner. Just go back and count how many times op mentioned a religion, a religious position, doctrine and ideology, and a supposedly god given morality!

I mentioned the point of view of religious people and of critics?

Why did you not say its about critics?

The op is about the validity of objective morality.

winner01:
I mentioned the point of view of religious people and of critics?

Why did you not say its about critics?

The op is about the validity of objective morality.

'Religious critic' then.

And sorry, it is not, in my opinion, about objective morality. Though in saying that, perhaps you need to explain what you mean by 'objective morality' please.

Subjective morality.

Love the article.

Is incest wrong?
Some religions like Islam allow it. What about having sex with children? Islam and Judaism allow it also. Some traditional religious traditions involve bestiality.

How does objective morality come into play here? Is incest objectively right? According to Muslims, Allah who is the giver of objective morals permits them to engage in it and also permits them to marry children.

winner01:
Whether or not someone is naturally oriented to be romantically and sexually attracted to people of the same gender does not mean that it is automatically morally acceptable.

No one says it is "automatically morally acceptable". What a verily heavily weigh down phrase that is by the way.

First, there was nothing 'automatic' about the acceptable of homosexuality in societies where it has been accepted as you very well know. In countries where it is accepted, its acceptability came after very many years of the homosexual crime of sodomy for which many were jailed, regardless of whether sodomy actually occurred or not, mind. I recently posted numerous apologies proffered by numerous countries for such prosecutions, and there was quite a lot of protest against, and advocacy for, before it was deemed acceptable. They actually went through the same discourse we are going through in Nigeria, and even moreso, considering homosexuality has been going on more openly in those countries than it has amongst us.

Then there is the issue of its 'morality'. Those countries that have deemed homosexuality as acceptable have decided it is not wrong for two adults to engage in same gender sex provided they both consent. The Church of Englandheld out against it for years after the Equality Act was passed, having been giving a waiver for decades, but even they had to succumb to the immense will of their members who were finding it difficult to condemn homosexual members of their very own families. Goes to show that their view of morality does not seem to be some absolute decree that they have no choice but to obey. Or are humans made for the law, these days? That of course does not mean it is legal for anyone to jump a same gender, or different gender person, for that matter, on the street. Consent is still required or it is rape. But can you imagine how much it takes for a parent to stop loving their child John, when he brings home his boyfriend, Peter? Or dad even, when he divorces his wife of twenty something years and shacks up with his boyfriend, Bob?

Which leads to the issue of 'acceptability', and I ask, 'by whom'? Indeed you can ask two grown up adults to not have sex with one another, but if they refuse to obey you, what exactly do you do? Throw them in jail? This has been done already, and for centuries, but go read those apologies again to see where we are now! Also consider how you would police what two consenting adults do it in the privacy of their bedrooms. And then consider how such a case is dealt with in court where even the judge is a homosexual. Can you perceive any difficulty here? Add to that one's child, John, or husband and father of twenty something years. Do they stop being ones loved one because they are homosexuals? And no, one does not have to accept them, but it would not be the first time members of families have gone their own separate ways never to relate with one another again now would it.

Now I note that you claim homosexuality is similar to beastaphilia, paedophilia, and necrophilia (for which you give spurious evidence claiming some countries do not deem it legal when in fact the article you posted does not claim it is not illegal, and in fact, it is a crime to defile the dead!). All the same, the people have decided that they do not find these acts to be acceptable at all, which just goes to show the non-absolutism of laws, at least by those who have pens with which to rewrite them. Of course you may think they arbitrarily decide which is acceptable and which is not, but the objective evidence for the debates for and against is available for those concerned enough to want to consider it.

And finally, though you never mentioned it, how does all this affect the individual? I guess if I don't want to be poked by a same gender person, I can say "no thank you" , or "fuq off" even, if the poker is insistent. But what exactly is one supposed to do if two grown up people decide to be the poker and the pokee, do I, and can I, insist they mustn't? Well, that would depend where I live I suppose. I guess in Nigeria, I can call the police and have the individuals arrested, but I would be hard pressed for evidence unless I had access to where they were committing their crime in order to gather said evidence, like video recording it (though I do expect any sensible person to wonder why I'd go to such lengths! In UK however, I should not be surprised if the police arrest me for the crime of homophobia, for it is a crime to discriminate against same gender pokees in UK. In fact, if I were to refuse to employ a homosexual person and it is found that my refusal to employ them was because of what they poke, I should expect to go to prison for my bigotry just as I would if I discriminated against others because I don't like their colour or gender or race! Just goes to show how different societies make laws for themselves, don't you think? Doesn't stop me slamming my door in their face though if they ask to come in my house and sit at my table in my dinning room. And I bloody can't be arrested for any bigotry thoughts I may hold in my bigoted head, or can I?

dalaman:
Is incest wrong?
Some religions like Islam allow it. What about having sex with children? Islam and Judaism allow it also. Some traditional religious traditions involve bestiality.

How does objective morality come into play here? Is incest objectively right? According to Muslims, Allah who is the giver of objective morals permits them to engage in it and also permits them to marry children.

The BuyBull never condemned pedophilia either, check out this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3249529/christians-paedophilia-underage-marriage-right

The morals Christians preach today have been greatly influenced by science, enlightenment and common sense. That's why you'll notice there are things Christians consider normal today that were considered abnormal and heretic/blasphemous before

once in a while you will find a theist who says "Here, these are the morals that my flavour of god has made. And they are all correct, because their foundation is my god who is the very definition of Good." Then my question is simply, can such a person give any of that "godly" morals that he/she personally disagree with? After all, there are myriads of moral questions that sensible people disagree on. And you (the theist) have found the answers, the foundation/bedrock of which is your god who none of us should question. Wouldn't it be an amazing coincidence if this your god agreed with you on every single moral dilemma/quandary? Apparently, none of us are that lucky. So tell me a moral that you deviate from your god on or make me understand how it is that Almighty god has somehow aligned His moral views absolutely and thoroughly not with billions of other people but with you, modest and humble theist Nairalander that you are.

hopefulLandlord:


The BuyBull never condemned pedophilia either, check out this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3249529/christians-paedophilia-underage-marriage-right

The morals Christians preach today have been greatly influenced by science, enlightenment and common sense. That's why you'll notice there are things Christians consider normal today that were considered abnormal and heretic/blasphemous before

once in a while you will find a theist who says "Here, these are the morals that my flavour of god has made. And they are all correct, because their foundation is my god who is the very definition of Good." Then my question is simply, can such a person give any of that "godly" morals that he/she personally disagree with? After all, there are myriads of moral questions that sensible people disagree on. And you (the theist) have found the answers, the foundation/bedrock of which is your god who none of us should question. Wouldn't it be an amazing coincidence if this your god agreed with you on every single moral dilemma/quandary? Apparently, none of us are that lucky. So tell me a moral that you deviate from your god on or make me understand how it is that Almighty god has somehow aligned His moral views absolutely and thoroughly not with billions of other people but with you, modest and humble theist Nairalander that you are.

He has no answers to any of the queries you've asked.

He should come and tell us how objective marrying children is since we are told that Allah the giver of objective morals allows people to marry children. Or is morality only objective when it comes from Yahweh?

dalaman:


He has no answers to any of the queries you've asked.

He should come and tell us how objective marrying children is since we are told that Allah the giver of objective morals allows people to marry children. Or is morality only objective when it comes from Yahweh?

of course its only objective (to him) when its coming from Yahweh which of course makes it subjective. NOBODY has ever been able to demonstrate objective morality exists without committing fallacies upon fallacies or making illogical jumps along the way

dalaman:
Is incest wrong?
Some religions like Islam allow it. What about having sex with children? Islam and Judaism allow it also. Some traditional religious traditions involve bestiality.

How does objective morality come into play here? Is incest objectively right? According to Muslims, Allah who is the giver of objective morals permits them to engage in it and also permits them to marry children.

Okay.

I think you're just angry and scared at anything remotely christian. All this bullsh*t you've written are not what the op is about. The op is about objective morality not what people think is right or wrong.

hopefulLandlord:


The BuyBull never condemned pedophilia either, check out this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3249529/christians-paedophilia-underage-marriage-right

The morals Christians preach today have been greatly influenced by science, enlightenment and common sense. That's why you'll notice there are things Christians consider normal today that were considered abnormal and heretic/blasphemous before

once in a while you will find a theist who says "Here, these are the morals that my flavour of god has made. And they are all correct, because their foundation is my god who is the very definition of Good." Then my question is simply, can such a person give any of that "godly" morals that he/she personally disagree with? After all, there are myriads of moral questions that sensible people disagree on. And you (the theist) have found the answers, the foundation/bedrock of which is your god who none of us should question. Wouldn't it be an amazing coincidence if this your god agreed with you on every single moral dilemma/quandary? Apparently, none of us are that lucky. So tell me a moral that you deviate from your god on or make me understand how it is that Almighty god has somehow aligned His moral views absolutely and thoroughly not with billions of other people but with you, modest and humble theist Nairalander that you are.

Dude, this is not a Christian thread, why not go look for any christian thread on FP and masturbate on it like you usually do. You'll be able to convert one or two christians to your brand of foolishness that way.

dalaman:


He has no answers to any of the queries you've asked.

He should come and tell us how objective marrying children is since we are told that Allah the giver of objective morals allows people to marry children. Or is morality only objective when it comes from Yahweh?

I should come and tell you? you really think highly of yourself if you think I give a hoot what you believe.

hopefulLandlord:


of course its only objective (to him) when its coming from Yahweh which of course makes it subjective. NOBODY has ever been able to demonstrate objective morality exists without committing fallacies upon fallacies or making illogical jumps along the way

But you've been able to demonstrate the origin of morality right?

I think you guys are really angry, learn from Budaatum, how to keep your calm even when you're angry or pained. More importantly, learn how to read, not every thread opened by a non-atheist is about atheism vs theism.

This part got me.

Well they seem to think physical harm is superior to psychological harm

You seem to suggest that two men playing with their dicks causes you psychological harm? Am I getting this right?

And to the attached quote, I see nothing wrong with worshipping the world. Some Gods do suffer from lack of attention.

what's the sense in quoting posts by different people in one post?

winner01:

Dude, this is not a Christian thread, why not go look for any christian thread on FP and masturbate on it like you usually do. You'll be able to convert one or two christians to your brand of foolishness that way.

Intelligent counter to my post

But you've been able to demonstrate the origin of morality right?

have you?

I think you guys are really angry, learn from Budaatum, how to keep your calm even when you're angry or pained. More importantly, learn how to read, not every thread opened by a non-atheist is about atheism vs theism.

Another intelligent counter. Keep psychoanalysing bro

budaatum:

No one says it is "automatically morally acceptable". What a verily heavily weigh down phrase that is by the way.

First, there was nothing 'automatic' about the acceptable of homosexuality in societies where it has been accepted as you very well know. In countries where it is accepted, its acceptability came after very many years of the homosexual crime of sodomy for which many were jailed, regardless of whether sodomy actually occurred or not, mind. I recently posted numerous apologies proffered by numerous countries for such prosecutions, and there was quite a lot of protest against, and advocacy for, before it was deemed acceptable. They actually went through the same discourse we are going through in Nigeria, and even moreso, considering homosexuality has been going on more openly in those countries than it has amongst us.

Then there is the issue of its 'morality'. Those countries that have deemed homosexuality as acceptable have decided it is not wrong for two adults to engage in same gender sex provided they both consent. The Church of Englandheld out against it for years after the Equality Act was passed, having been giving a waiver for decades, but even they had to succumb to the immense will of their members who were finding it difficult to condemn homosexual members of their very own families. Goes to show that their view of morality does not seem to be some absolute decree that they have no choice but to obey. Or are humans made for the law, these days? That of course does not mean it is legal for anyone to jump a same gender, or different gender person, for that matter, on the street. Consent is still required or it is rape. But can you imagine how much it takes for a parent to stop loving their child John, when he brings home his boyfriend, Peter? Or dad even, when he divorces his wife of twenty something years and shacks up with his boyfriend, Bob?

Which leads to the issue of 'acceptability', and I ask, 'by whom'? Indeed you can ask two grown up adults to not have sex with one another, but if they refuse to obey you, what exactly do you do? Throw them in jail? This has been done already, and for centuries, but go read those apologies again to see where we are now! Also consider how you would police what two consenting adults do it in the privacy of their bedrooms. And then consider how such a case is dealt with in court where even the judge is a homosexual. Can you perceive any difficulty here? Add to that one's child, John, or husband and father of twenty something years. Do they stop being ones loved one because they are homosexuals? And no, one does not have to accept them, but it would not be the first time members of families have gone their own separate ways never to relate with one another again now would it.

Now I note that you claim homosexuality is similar to beastaphilia, paedophilia, and necrophilia (for which you give spurious evidence claiming some countries do not deem it legal when in fact the article you posted does not claim it is not illegal, and in fact, it is a crime to defile the dead!). All the same, the people have decided that they do not find these acts to be acceptable at all, which just goes to show the non-absolutism of laws, at least by those who have pens with which to rewrite them. Of course you may think they arbitrarily decide which is acceptable and which is not, but the objective evidence for the debates for and against is available for those concerned enough to want to consider it.

And finally, though you never mentioned it, how does all this affect the individual? I guess if I don't want to be poked by a same gender person, I can say "no thank you" , or "fuq off" even, if the poker is insistent. But what exactly is one supposed to do if two grown up people decide to be the poker and the pokee, do I, and can I, insist they mustn't? Well, that would depend where I live I suppose. I guess in Nigeria, I can call the police and have the individuals arrested, but I would be hard pressed for evidence unless I had access to where they were committing their crime in order to gather said evidence, like video recording it (though I do expect any sensible person to wonder why I'd go to such lengths! In UK however, I should not be surprised if the police arrest me for the crime of homophobia, for it is a crime to discriminate against same gender pokees in UK. In fact, if I were to refuse to employ a homosexual person and it is found that my refusal to employ them was because of what they poke, I should expect to go to prison for my bigotry just as I would if I discriminated against others because I don't like their colour or gender or race! Just goes to show how different societies make laws for themselves, don't you think? Doesn't stop me slamming my door in their face though if they ask to come in my house and sit at my table in my dinning room. And I bloody can't be arrested for any bigotry thoughts I may hold in my bigoted head, or can I?

Nice submission but you misunderstand the whole point. I've find LGBT and other sexual orientations weird even before I became a christian, and I still do.

I'm not outrightly outlawing homosexuality, I'm simply opining that a case can also be made for almost every "sexual orientation".

I simply gave 2 objections which are my opinion and which is what the thread is about.

1. Mere orientation is not enough as far as I'm concerned, many people who are weird could also claim to have such orientations and I gave examples.

2. What about other sexual acts, and yes I am of the opinion that homosexuality is as unnatural as the other sexual acts I mentioned. You've given no basis for their difference. If we have a dialogue, and the arguments for bestiality, paedophilia, necrophilia etc exceeds the argument against them, does that make them natural, right, acceptable or just legal?. You seem not to think everything can be argued for.

hopefulLandlord:
what's the sense in quoting posts by different people in one post?

Intelligent counter to my post have you?

Another intelligent counter. Keep psychoanalysing bro

Go look for christian threads to masturbate on, you've outlived your relevance on this section . I don't take you seriously and I don't think any other reasonable person should.

winner01:
Go look for christian threads to masturbate on, you've outlived your relevance on this section . I don't take you seriously and I don't think any other reasonable person should.

How will I ever survive your not taking me seriously

HappyPagan:
This part got me.

You seem to suggest that two men playing with their dicks causes you psychological harm? Am I getting this right?

A man and an animal, an adult and a minor, a man and the dead etc seems to me to cause psychological harm. Don't limit your discussion to homosexuality, I noticed a similar trend in other replies. And don't think one is more weird than the other, except you have valid arguments other than your thoughts.

hopefulLandlord:


How will I ever survive your not taking me seriously

I can't help you, you jumped on this thread at 5:23am on a Sunday morning

HappyPagan:
And to the attached quote, I see nothing wrong with worshipping the world. Some Gods do suffer from lack of attention.

I see nothing wrong in worshipping God.

winner01:
I don't know, you jumped on this thread at 5:23am on a Sunday morning

That you've lived your entire life in Nigeria (nothing wrong with that) doesn't mean everyone else here does and why is the time a post is made something to use in taking potshots? is there a posting time on Nairaland? is it like offices you can only visit between some hours of the day?

Psychoanalyse more bro

winner01:

You misunderstand the whole point. I've find LGBT and other sexual orientations weird even before I became a christian, and I still do.

I find it weird too. I was young when I first saw two ladies kiss each other. It was hot, really hot... but I felt this fear in me, like I was looking at something really wrong.

But I liked it. I really did. Then I got a bootleg horror movie collection once, and that's when life changed. One of the movies had a sex scene. I had heard of gay porn before, but seeing one man's dick slide up another man's asshole was terrifying. I was shook for days.

Why would a guy like another's butthole? My God, what has this world become? I failed to see the hypocrisy in my standard - - girl on girl is okay, man on man not cool.

Overtime, I've learnt to be more accepting of it. I've had homosexual friends as colleagues at work. I see it this way - If you grew up in a monogamous home, polygamous families would feel very unnatural to you. Education, and an open mind, is key to progress and growth.

Using your love for God to mask your hatred for his creation (if you believe this flesh and bone we bear was created) is plain cowardice. The thought of homosexuality so irks you, you do not need the Bible's backing to reject it. There's also that handy 'not African' y'all love to parrot. Why don't you just be yourself? State your convictions in truth and sincerity, not verses.

winner01:

Mere orientation is not enough as far as I'm concerned, many people who are weird could also claim to have such orientations and I gave example

The classic Nigerian style of moral policing. Everyone who isn't like you must prove why you should like them. How about you interacting with the 'weirdos' that you despise so much. Maybe make a friend or two from the LGBT community. I wouldn't be surprised if you wouldn't - you probably think homosexuality is a contagious disease. Heterosexuality isn't, I presume.

What about other sexual acts, and yes I am of the opinion that homosexuality is as unnatural as the other sexual acts I mentioned. You've given no basis for their difference.

Y'all use unnatural like it's something negative.

Walk around with your natural smell, and people will complain of your body odor. Ever heard the phrase 'one man' s poison is another's....

winner01:
A man and an animal, an adult and a minor, a man and the dead etc seems to me to cause psychological harm. Don't limit your discussion to homosexuality, I noticed a similar trend in other replies.

So you think dicks and dicks, is the same with dicks and animals, dicks and kids, dicks and corpses.. You're a mad fellow.

winner01:
I see nothing wrong in worshipping God.

The world has more evidence for itself than God.. On it you live, dwell and will die... You will depend on the earth everyday for the rest of your life, for you are a man, a living being like everyone else.

God is a delusion used to pass time.

hopefulLandlord:

That you've lived your entire life in Nigeria (nothing wrong in that) doesn't mean everyone else here does and why is the time a post is made something to use in taking potshots? is there a posting time on Nairaland? is it like offices you can only visit between some hours of the day?

Psychoanalyse more bro

I can't help you.

And you're sure I lived my entire life in Nigeria

winner01:
I can't help you.

good thing I never asked for it

And you're sure I lived my entire life in Nigeria

You tell me

HappyPagan:

I find it weird too. I was young when I first saw two ladies kiss each other. It was hot, really hot... but I felt this fear in me, like I was looking at something really wrong.

But I liked it. I really did. Then I got a bootleg horror movie collection once, and that's when life changed. One of the movies had a sex scene. I had heard of gay porn before, but seeing one man's dick slide up another man's asshole was terrifying. I was shook for days.

Why would a guy like another's butthole? My God, what has this world become? I failed to see the hypocrisy in my standard - - girl on girl is okay, man on man not cool.

Overtime, I've learnt to be more accepting of it. I've had homosexual friends as colleagues at work. I see it this way - If you grew up in a monogamous home, polygamous families would feel very unnatural to you. Education, and an open mind, is key to progress and growth.

Using your love for God to mask your hatred for his creation (if you believe this flesh and bone we bear was created) is plain cowardice. The thought of homosexuality so irks you, you do not need the Bible's backing to reject it. There's also that handy 'not African' y'all love to parrot. Why don't you just be yourself? State your convictions in truth and sincerity, not verses.



The classic Nigerian style of moral policing. Everyone who isn't like you must prove why you should like them. How about you interacting with the 'weirdos' that you despise so much. Maybe make a friend or two from the LGBT community. I wouldn't be surprised if you wouldn't - you probably think homosexuality is a contagious disease. Heterosexuality isn't, I presume.



Y'all use unnatural like it's something negative.

Walk around with your natural smell, and people will complain of your body odor. Ever heard the phrase 'one man' s poison is another's....

Still limiting your opinions to homosexuality. And why do you think I've not interacted with people from the LGBT community? I think a few atheists like you and the other 2 idiots who jumped on this thread spewing rubbish are just full of yourelves, when we go into details, you have absolutely nothing to offer.

HappyPagan:

So you think dicks and dicks, is the same with dicks and animals, dicks and kids, dicks and corpses.. You're a mad fellow.

Your Fada!!!

Who is to say a corpse does not have a butthole or a**hole, I gave example of dicks and kids in the op, as well as dicks and animals. Who is to say they are wrong? Your grandma?

HappyPagan:

The world has more evidence for itself than God.. On it you live, dwell and will die... You will depend on the earth everyday for the rest of your life, for you are a man, a living being like everyone else.

God is a delusion used to pass time.

OK, I've heard it a million times, I know better now and I don't think reality is everything.

I've bought, used and sold cars, I don't need anyone to tell me that cars (much less complex than humans) can arise by chance or blind processes sprinkled with time.

Shouldn't you consider using your Sunday for something more produtive?

hopefulLandlord:
good thing I never asked for it
You tell me

You need help, else your anger and sleepless nights will cause the end of you.

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Y'all will get your responses in full when I get your time.