The questions benin folk must answer are 3 fold

We are learning, it is not about superiority, it is about truth

1. Why did igodomigodo change to Ile Ibinu
2. Why did Ogiso dynasty change to oba dynasty
3. Why were dead Benin kings buried in ife?

I am forced to conclude that it is because a foreign group entered the area and began ruling the conquered territory

Moorish:


Since when I was a lurker on nairaland, before creating my account, I always knew you as a man of high repute

Glad to see you post here

All you brothers have fair points, and make me question the history my Benin brothers have been giving me all these years

I was born and raised in Benin territory and I was taught that the Benin’s basically spawned my civilization

But you brothers are bringing some very convincing and alternative ideas

However, I will always maintain that it seems on the white man’s arrival here, the Benin’s reigned supreme, oyo also had some magnitude, and the sokoto caliphate too. kanem Borno not so much, nok was long since dead, and our brothers in the east were purely sedantry at the time, not really an empire, but also had sophisticated communities,

So, yea, oyo, Benin and sokoto were the people who had kingdoms at the time

The Portuguese seemed quite impressed by Benin, so those brothers deserve props and should be proud

We also know oyo was dominating its environment and were very formidable in battle. So I don’t know why we don’t have mutual respect for eachother

It is the Yorubas that are replacing facts with myths and fables. We Edos don’t want to dwell on myths and fables or else we would be promoting stories of great Igodomigodo where black race started from, where God first touched the earth and the cradle of black civilization.
Rather we choose to talk about events that was witnessed and documented and whose impacts is still felt till today.
Benin once ruled over Yoruba. Let them deny it as much as they want. It is recorded in books and archives as what was witnessed by foreigners that traveled all over Africa..

Yes Oyo was strong, it had a formidable Calvary but it’s power was only against fellow Yorubas which they conquered and sold into slavery.
Benin army was more powerful. Three times they tried to war Benin kingdom and three times they were badly beaten up and warned never to ever venture east of Ife or else they will be invaded

You can go research it. It is all in the records.

davidnazee:


It is the Yorubas that are replacing facts with myths and fables. We Edos don’t want to dwell on myths and fables or else we would be promoting stories of great Igodomigodo where black race started from, where God first touched the earth and the cradle of black civilization.
Rather we choose to talk about events that was witnessed and documented and whose impacts is still felt till today.
Benin once ruled over Yoruba. Let them deny it as much as they want. It is recorded in books and archives as what was witnessed by foreigners that traveled all over Africa..

Yes Oyo was strong, it had a formidable Calvary but it’s power was only against fellow Yorubas which they conquered and sold into slavery.
Benin army was more powerful. Three times they tried to war Benin kingdom and three times they were badly beaten up and warned never to ever venture east of Ife or else they will be invaded

You can go research it. It is all in the records.

Answer questions on foreign influence in your monarchy and stop spitting on peoples screen.

The book in this attachment is very illustrative of accuracy of records kept by historians in contact with Bini and Edo.

Notice how the author differentiated the two separate societies. In essence saying the Kingdom is owned by a people of non-Edo origin.

The BENIN KINGDOM and The Edo Speaking Peoples.

Moorish:


I mean no disrespect man, but...

How do you expect to live in a country with the Edos with this your rhetoric?

You are basically saying yorubas are superior to edos.

I do not believe that.

What i believe is we have things which make us unique. That should be our focus

If the Edos say they are superior to us and we say same, that is the start of conflict

We should respect each other.

I have a deep reverence and love for my ancestors, all the peoples who now make up nigeria

I never had the priviledge of being born and raised in my ancestral land of oyo. I have lived in parts of nigeria and outside nigeria

A nigerian heritage is my only hope

Peace

What disgust us mostly as Yorubas are the manners at which these set of people, tries so much to tell lies. Take for instance, Majek Fashek, who grew up in Edo and with his Edo mother. But little did a lot of people knew , Majek was of a Yoruba father and not until he had problem with drug before his paternal family called on important Yoruba bigwigs, who sponsored him for rehab at U.K hospital. If the man had died before the era of accessibility to internet, a lot would have thought he is Edo,the way I had thought in the early 1990s that I saw him in my area at Lagos.The point here is certain information needed be made open before people, who enjoys revisionism manipulate the truth. In as much, we Yoruba show love to some of these Edo people but turn around to insult such privilege,then it is better to expose the truth because of future generation.

Moorish:
The questions benin folk must answer are 3 fold

We are learning, it is not about superiority, it is about truth

1. Why did igodomigodo change to Ile Ibinu
2. Why did Ogiso dynasty change to oba dynasty
3. Why were dead Benin kings buried in ife?

I am forced to conclude that it is because a foreign group entered the area and began ruling the conquered territory

The Edos online wouldn't answer you because, they have no answer. Many Urhobo were part of Edo community before they migrated toward their present location. And they had only one knowledge of a God called ; Oghéné. Where did Igodomigodo knew about Osá( Oosa/Urisa/Orisa/) which had been in time immemorial with Yorubas? For every word that was exported to Bini, the Edo tried to twist it to suit their folklores. Osá became Osanobua(God) , Olokun, a female goddess in Yoruba pantheon turned to male personality, when the tradition was introduced to Bini. The Edo went as far as claiming,two accounts for the existence of Olokun ,found in Edo. Yet,the Edo uses the terracotta head of the Olokun representative that was dug out in Ule Ufe as the same they use in Biniland. Who then was the reason for the other's civilization? Edo liars online need sheathe their sword and respect Yorubas. Even the Urhobo that share closely but distinct language with Edo find traces of shared words with Edos. The Edo usually referred to Ooni in a corrupt word as (Og)hene which was around 12th–13th century upward until and even by the time they met the Portuguese explorers in 15th century. And this is the same name adopted for God in today's Urhobo land that has been turned to Oghéné as God,which showed Edos were copycat cum revisionists of yoruba words for Owner over all and land .Ooni( Oghene) had no etymology in Igodomigodo until Yoruba arrived. The Edos stylishly tried to cover this up ,out of hatred. Little did the present day Edos online knew John Alfonso d'Aveiro documented that part of history as the Oba of Bini referred to his ancestor as Oghene ( Orni–Ooni) as his father.
N.B: This is a platform to share the truth and concocted theories that hold no sway
Cheers bro

davidnazee:


I shake my head for ur lack of sense. Is there any mention of Yoruba on maps or is there mention of Yoruba empire?
Please argue with sense.

What does OVIEDO mean?Stop procrastination!

Moorish:
@metaphysical and @olu

What about the ekalahaderhan hypothesis ?

Ekalahaderhan isnt real because at least, a great warrior as claimed by Edos would know he had a way to worship God(Eledumare) in the ancient. They dont have anything as such as this in Edoland as regard Odua. Take for instance, Oranmiyan ancestral worship attached to him involves Ram( White precisely without blemish). Odua who was the ancestor of Oranmiyan was also attached to a ram sacrifice as well. For every Ooni, to be crowned ,ram is killed for him. How on earth didn't this happened during Ogiso dynasty?Do they want to lie again about this? These people are bunch of liars and not here to write out the truth simply because a controversial predecessor Oba was made to believed such fairy tale story as if less than 20,000 or more patrilineal descendants of Oranmiyan reside in Edoland can know more than the source at ILE IFE .

BabaRamota1980:


Olu is not arguing or fighting, he is setting history straight. He is doing a FANTASTIC job and we love his drive.

Notice that we can never disrespect or tarnish the stool of Omo N'Oba because the throne and crown, the staff of sword and Ase in his posession belong to Yoruba dynasty in Bini. However, we must continue to assault and denigrate those who seek to bring the Omo N'Oba into disrepute and erase the footprint of his ancestry...like the uncivilized Edos who we enlightened and taught the art of State Rulership.

Edo has done much to repeat the rebellion that led to our domination over them in past. If it wasn't for the broader modern political system that overshadows the traditional State power we should repeat our humiliation and introduce a third dynasty over their landlocked land and subject them under Ijaw for State Rulership. That way we can have an independent Bini ruled by Omo N'Oba and an independent Edo ruled by Ijaw Chiefs.

We did it in past when gave them the Ogiso Chiefdom in first dynasty, gave them Oba Kingdom in second dynasty......who says we cannot impose on them a third dynasty of rulers from Ijawland? Na Nigeria save Edo.

You have been a senseless comedian from the very onset. Read through your garbage once again and check for yourself if it has any wisdom in it? Anyway, take it or leave it, Ooni is and would always remain the boy of the Oba of Benin. It's too late for you to change that.

Olu317:
Ekalahaderhan isnt real because at least, a great warrior as claimed by Edos would know he had a way to worship God(Eledumare) in the ancient. They dont have anything as such as this in Edoland as regard Odua. Take for instance, Oranmiyan ancestral worship attached to him involves Ram( White precisely without blemish). Odua who was the ancestor of Oranmiyan was also attached to a ram sacrifice as well. For every Ooni, to be crowned ,ram is killed for him. How on earth didn't this happened during Ogiso dynasty?Do they want to lie again about this? These people are bunch of liars and not here to write out the truth simply because a controversial predecessor Oba was made to believed such fairy tale story as if less than 20,000 or more patrilineal descendants of Oranmiyan reside in Edoland can know more than the source at ILE IFE .

You've been beating your foolishness all over the place for too long. Oduduwa is a god to you Yorubas, but he is a son to the Bini.

We've told you and would continue to tell you, tell your story from your own perspective and keep off the story of others. You Yoruba are historical cannibals. Yoruba's are the only people in the whole world who do not know their history, but want to tell other peoples own.

BabaRamota1980:
The book in this attachment is very illustrative of accuracy of records kept by historians in contact with Bini and Edo.

Notice how the author differentiated the two separate societies. In essence saying the Kingdom is owned by a people of non-Edo origin.

The BENIN KINGDOM and The Edo Speaking Peoples.

You people keep beating on water. Bini is a subset of Edo. All Bini's are Edo, but not all Edo are Bini. Same way all Ife are Yoruba, but nor all Yoruba Ife.

So readjust your senses.

steveosaz:


You've been beating your foolishness all over the place for too long. Oduduwa is a god to you Yorubas, but he is a son to the Bini.

We've told you and would continue to tell you, tell your story from your own perspective and keep off the story of others. You Yoruba are historical cannibals. Yoruba's are the only people in the whole world who do not know their history, but want to tell other peoples own.

Obviously, liars like you will continue to be emotionally attached to Olofin Odua who you all lied and claimed was IZODUWA / IMADODUWA. Which out of the names was your Ekeherladan's name? Oops! I have mentioned three names which are confusing. Are you not all revisionists? These names have no meaning in Yoruba language. The last time I checked , I am the man's descendant,whose descendant are you Mr? Can you know my ancestor more than his descendants and I ? Abeg ,whose is supposed to keep off if not you? Mr lecturer from kingdom of Edo, give me and others evidence that the claimed Odudua was from Igodomigodo. In fact, you Edos don't even know the name of the man ,with your name fabrication for him. Odua has Oriki,does your Izoduwa or whatever name you call him know anything called Oriki? Since, you know the man more than Yorubas, what does Izoduwa mean?

Let me list borrowed words by Edos–Bini Kingdom, to proof that the shared word came as result of the civilation you had through contact with yorubas:
Can you see your life?
Edo
1. Ozo/Ojo–a child born with placenter wrapped around his neck.
2. Okun –Sea
Ogun/Oguum–god of Iron
3. Oloi–first wife of Oba( confusionim at the highest order)Olori
4. Osafomé–God has released this to me(gave me)Osafunmi
5 Agan–Barren
6.Aye–world
7. Olokun- in Edo was said to have two version, which one is correct? Is it
There was a hunter that resided in
Urhonigbe ( near Benin City ) in Edo/Bini Kingdom or
In Evboesi , there was a boy named Omobe (rascal , troublesome child ) that had great physical ability and was trained to be a wrestler?
Edo revisionists online are 5 and 6 to lies.

I GAVE UP TALKING TO THESE YORUBA FOOO.OOLS A LONG TIME AGO; They just keep trying childish scams and posting fake maps and using fake logics while confusing myths with reality.
They seem quite obsessed with claimming most historical archievements of Benin Empire as belonging to yoruba while denying the rest.
What do you say to fooo.ools who claim that your blood belongs to them ?
What do you tell a begger who comes to your doorstep to tell you the house you built with your own hands on your own land belongs to him ?

By the way, bro, did you notice how the ooni of ife is trying to copy Benin Bronzes ? (He keeps dashing out bronzes casted in the same style as those stolen from Oba palace by the british). Also did you notice that the ooni of ife went to london around a year ago and I think he was trying to claim Benin bronzes because he was asking for "artefacts" to be returned. yoruba are a shameless group of thieves.

steveosaz:


You people keep beating on water. Bini is a subset of Edo. All Bini's are Edo, but not all Edo are Bini. Same way all Ife are Yoruba, but nor all Yoruba Ife.

So readjust your senses.

Olu317:
Obviously, liars like you will continue to be emotional attached to Olofin Odua who you all lied and claimed was EKALADERHAN IZODUWA / IMADODUWA. Which out of the name was your Ekeherladan's name? These are four names I have mentioned. Are you not all revisionists? These names have no meaning Yoruba language. The last time I checked , I am the man's descendant,whose descendant are you Mr? Can you know my ancestor more than his descendants and I ? Abeg ,whose is supposed to keep off if not you? Mr lecturer from kingdom of Edo, give me and others evidence that the claimed Odudua was from Igodomigodo. In fact, you Edos don't even know the name of the man ,with your name fabrication for him. Odua has Oriki,does your Izoduwa or whatever name you call him know anything called Oriki? Since, you know the man more than Yorubas, what does Izoduwa mean?

Let me list borrowed by Edos–Bini Kingdom, to proof that the shared word came as result out of the civilation you had through contact with yorubas:
Can you see your life?
Edo
1. Ozo/Ojo–a child born with placenter wrapped around his neck.
2. Okun –Sea
Ogun/Oguum–god of Iron
3. Oloi–first wife of Oba( confusionim at the highest order)
4. Osafomé–God has released this to me(gave me)
5 Agan–Barren
6.Aye–world
7. Olokun- in Edo was said to have two version, which one is correct? Is it
There was a hunter that resided in
Urhonigbe ( near Benin City ) in Edo/Bini Kingdom or
In Evboesi , there was a boy named Omobe (rascal , troublesome child ) that had great physical ability and was trained to be a wrestler?
Edo revisionists online are 5 and 6 to lies.

Your lack of common sense is what prevented you from realizing that Edo is not Yoruba and so your theory of oriki is absolutely nonsensical and insane.

For your information, Izoduwa means I choose the path of wealth. If in all you claim to know about the Edos, you cannot even know what a simple Izoduwa means, then that again confirms you to be a thieving, dishonest historian.Stop creating phantom confusions anywhere, the Edo records are very ear. Unlike the usellly disjointed rubbish you people keep fishing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8flCwvoAU

steveosaz:


Your lack of common sense is what prevented you from realizing that Edo is not Yoruba and so your theory of oriki is absolutely nonsensical and insane.

For your information, Izoduwa means I choose the path of wealth. If in all you claim to know about the Edos, you cannot even know what a simple Izoduwa means, then that again confirms you to be a thieving, dishonest historian.Stop creating phantom confusions anywhere, the Edo records are very ear. Unlike the usellly disjointed rubbish you people keep fishing out.

Just imagine what this one is typing? How will I understand Ogiso language which some of the chiefly words are from Yoruba land? Why I even learn your language, when your language is economy friendly. In fact Ijaw language is more profitable when minority language needed be learned. If Izoduwa, is I choose path to wealth,how does it mean the same thing with Odu to da uwa? Izoduwa is on the Internet,so it is easy to know the meaning. What about what about Ekaladerhan? Imadowa? You really make me mock you. Ignorance is what you all have bought cheaply.

steveosaz:


Your lack of common sense is what prevented you from realizing that Edo is not Yoruba and so your theory of oriki is absolutely nonsensical and insane.

For your information, Izoduwa means I choose the path of wealth. If in all you claim to know about the Edos, you cannot even know what a simple Izoduwa means, then that again confirms you to be a thieving, dishonest historian.Stop creating phantom confusions anywhere, the Edo records are very ear. Unlike the usellly disjointed rubbish you people keep fishing out.

Just imagine what this one is typing? How will I understand Ogiso language which some of the chiefly words are from Yoruba land? Why I even learn your language, when your language is economy friendly. In fact Ijaw language is more profitable when minority language needed be learned. If Izoduwa, is I choose path to wealth,how does it mean the same thing with Odu to da uwa? Izoduwa is on the Internet,so it is easy to know the meaning. What about what about Ekaladerhan? Imadowa? You really make me mock you. Ignorance is what you all have bought cheaply.

My brothers from benin. We need not insult one another

@steveosaz and @prolog2

If you can give me definitive answers to these questions, then I am sure we can agree on scholarly truth

1. Why did igodomigodo change to Ile Ibinu
2. Why did Ogiso dynasty change to oba dynasty
3. Why were dead Benin kings buried in ife?

Number 3 is very weird and the benin theory does not add up.

So a benin monarch (Ekaladerhan) died in a foreign land (ife) which he now rules. So now, his sons who reigned in his homeland(benin) must be buried in ife the foreign land?? This is unrealistic if you follow the benin theory.

I think it was oba ewuare who ended this tradition of burial in ife.

It does not sound reasonable. If the benin hypothesis was the truth, even odduduwa would have been buried in benin, his original homeland, and subsequent kings of benin would also be buried in benin.

I generally don't discuss myths.
I discuss things which have proofs or proofs of the contrary.
I debate based on logics and facts.
These stories are mere myths.

This is reality:


Benin Kingdom:

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8flCwvoAU

Moorish:
My brothers from benin. We need not insult one another

@steveosaz and @prolog2

If you can give me definitive answers to these questions, then I am sure we can agree on scholarly truth
1. Why did igodomigodo change to Ile Ibinu
2. Why did Ogiso dynasty change to oba dynasty
3. Why were dead Benin kings buried in ife?

Number 3 is very weird and the benin theory does not add up. So a benin monarch (Ekaladerhan) died in a foreign land (ife) which he rules. So now, his sons we reign in his homeland(benin) must be buried in ife the foreign land?? even up to 10 generations? I think it was oba ewuare who ended this tradition.

It does not sound reasonable. If your story was the truth, even odduduwa would have been buried in benin, and subsequent kings of benin would also be buried in benin.

Moorish:
My brothers from benin. We need not insult one another

@steveosaz and @prolog2

If you can give me definitive answers to these questions, then I am sure we can agree on scholarly truth

1. Why did igodomigodo change to Ile Ibinu
2. Why did Ogiso dynasty change to oba dynasty
3. Why were dead Benin kings buried in ife?

Number 3 is very weird and the benin theory does not add up. So a benin monarch (Ekaladerhan) died in a foreign land (ife) which he now rules. So now, his sons we reign in his homeland(benin) must be buried in ife the foreign land?? even up to 10 generations? I think it was oba ewuare who ended this tradition.

It does not sound reasonable. If your story was the truth, even odduduwa would have been buried in benin, and subsequent kings of benin would also be buried in benin.

Help me tell the Edo haters. In fact, the was study on the burial sites of some of Oduduwa descendants,which had particular burial pattern. Help us ask them,what was the way past Ogisos were buried?

prolog2:
I generally don't discuss myths.
I discuss things which have proofs or proofs of the contrary.
I debate based on logics and facts.
These stories are mere myths.

This is reality:


Benin Kingdom:

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8flCwvoAU

Wasn't benin city called igodomigodo at some point?

Wasn't the ogiso dynasty the beneficiary of kingship at some point?

What changed these established traditions?

You are dodging my questions

Stop being dishonest.

This is reality:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JjkGublKso

I just hope you know that you are still dwelling on myths.
No proofs of your claims have ever been provided.
The person being dishonnest is you.
Glad to see you have completely dropped your "neutral" mask, it was never a convincing one anyway.
By the way, try and use your brain. I am not ddoging your questions, I have answered you: I do not discuss myths.
You can go and have your discussion with 7 year old children who would be glad to even add superman and san goku into the topic.

Moorish:



Wasn't benin city called igodomigodo at some point?

Wasn't the ogiso dynasty the beneficiary of kingship at some point?

What changed these established traditions?

You are dodging my questions

Stop being dishonest.

Olu317:
Help me tell the Edo haters. In fact, the was study on the burial sites of some of Oduduwa descendants,which had particular burial pattern. Help us ask them,what was the way past Ogisos were buried?

Bro, i dont hate benin. It was a mighty empire. But we were equally mighty.

In fact, oyo controlled more land mass then benin.

Dahomey was paying tribute to alafin for centuries

Dahomey! A whole F*cking country!!! That is present day republic of benin.

Oyo was truly great.

We tried to conquer benin 3 times. We failed because of the moat on their great walls.

And we know horses and moat don't like one another

Clever benin defences sha

prolog2:
I just hope you know that you are still dwelling on myths.
No proofs of your claims have ever been provided.
The person being dishonnest is you.
Glad to see you have completely dropped your "neutral" mask, it was never a convincing one anyway.

Blood is thicker than water

I might not know a word in yoruba.

But I won't let you slander my ancestors and my heritage

I am more of a man than you. At least I have a regard for benin and other african empires

You are the hater.

Name one negative thing I said about benin

Yet You called yorubas weak. You said you subdued us.

So benin was never called igodomigodo??

You are joking right?

If what you claim is true then how come Dahomey changed its name into "Benin republic" and not "oyo republic" ?
If oyo was so great, then howcome no precolonial map recorded that "greatness" ?
How come historians from Benin republic know all about Benin Kingdom but don't give any credit to oyo ?

Moorish:


Bro, i dont hate benin. It was a mighty empire. But we were equally mighty.

In fact, oyo controlled more land mass then benin.

Dahomey was paying tribute to alafin for centuries

Dahomey! A whole F*cking country!!! That is present day republic of benin.

Oyo was truly great.

We tried to conquer benin 3 times. We failed because of the moat on their great walls.

And we know horses and moat don't like one another

Clever benin defences sha

prolog2:
If what you claim is true then how come Dahomey changed its name into "Benin republic" and not "oyo republic" ?
If oyo was so great, then howcome no precolonial map recorded that "greatness" ?
How come historians from Benin republic know all about Benin Kingdom but don't give any credit to oyo ?

"1823 King Ghezo defeats the Oyo Empire and ends tributary status"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey

I don't think you can come back from this intellectual defeat

You know your problem is that you are having a discussion based on emotions. You should be discussing based on rational thought.
I don't give a rats ass about who subdued who. I research the history of my people and accept it as it is in order to know who I am and where I am coming from. I don't validate claims untill I see proof. I have no emotional attachement to passed outcomes. I do not wish to change the passed (on paper) to favor my ego.
Stop asking me questions about myths. As I said, I do not discuss myths !

Moorish:


Blood is thicker than water

I might not know a word in yoruba.

But I won't let you slander my ancestors and my heritage

I am more of a man than you. At least I have a regard for benin and other african empires

You are the hater.

Name one negative thing I said about benin

Yet You called yorubas weak. You said you subdued us.

So benin was never called igodomigodo??

You are joking right?

Wikipedia as a source of african history !? Nice one.
Come and have a discussion when you get your hands on real historical documents, not some wikipedia pages written by an other yoruba-centric person like yourself.

Moorish:


"1823 King Ghezo defeats the Oyo Empire and ends tributary status"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey

I don't think you can come back from this intellectual defeat

@olu317

Bro, I am planning some projects regarding our histories..

I would love to trade ideas with you..

How can I hit you up??

Are you interested?

Moorish:


Bro, i dont hate benin. It was a mighty empire. But we were equally mighty.

In fact, oyo controlled more land mass then benin.

Dahomey was paying tribute to alafin for centuries

Dahomey! A whole F*cking country!!! That is present day republic of benin.

Oyo was truly great.

We tried to conquer benin 3 times. We failed because of the moat on their great walls.

And we know horses and moat don't like one another

Clever benin defences sha

Yoruba didn't try to capture Bini because she was baby to the larger Yoruba States . A struggling descendants of Oranmiyan couldnt have attacked . Princes dont fight themselves except in those era. Their crowns are their identities. As it was in the beginning that Oranmiyan captured Igodomigod , Bini had always been seen as a cousin to Yoruba. And again, Oyo was the major Empire, while some provinces and states paid tributary to Oyo. And these people did this because of the military might and organization of Oyo.

prolog2:
Wikipedia as a source of african history !? Nice one.
Come and have a discussion when you get your hands on real historical documents, not some wikipedia pages written by an other yoruba-centric person like yourself.

Lol @ "real historical documents"

You got jokes bro!!

Nice one

No hate my bro from benin, carry go nothing do you

Believe what you want to

If you can mention an online documentary resource that is more reputable than wikipedia, come back and speak to me

Till then, I wish you all the best in all your endeavors

prolog2:
I just hope you know that you are still dwelling on myths.
No proofs of your claims have ever been provided.
The person being dishonnest is you.
Glad to see you have completely dropped your "neutral" mask, it was never a convincing one anyway.
By the way, try and use your brain. I am not ddoging your questions, I have answered you: I do not discuss myths.
You can go and have your discussion with 7 year old children who would be glad to even add superman and san goku into the topic.

are u saying that benin called Igodomigodo in the past is myth am not surprised. U are the same person that says oranmiyan never exist and he was just myth even though ur oba recognizes him has his ancestor. Everything is myth to u coz u are a deceptive liar who is fancy himself an intellectual every post contradict another post u make.