davidnazee:


You Yoruba guys make me laugh. The only people you deceive with your lies and fake history is your own fellow Yorubas, just the way the only people Oyo conquered and sold into slavery was their own fellow Yoruba brothers and sisters.

Go and research Benin Yoruba wars, only articles you will find is about Benin military campaigns in Eastern Yorubalands, defeating all yoruba armies that stood against it.. Even your Ogedengbe of Ilesha that tried to march on Benin was defeated and beheaded at Ehor.

post the article here and who beheaded ogedengbe

davidnazee:


E dey pain you abi? The truth is bitter as they say but you will be forced to swallow it.

Go and research Benin Military campaigns in Eastern Yorubalands, there you will find the truth. Benin Army fought the Kriji wars. and for your information, your Ogedengbe was beheaded by Benin after he tried to march on Benin and lost.

tell me just one Benin warrior that fought the kriji war just one if u know tell me and try to deflect u and generations will never succeed I know the curse is harsh but I hope it will let u give me an answer

Moorish:


"Do not throw stones if you live in a glass house"

We did sell our people into slavery centuries ago

Today, however, your people voluntarily sell themselves as slaves all over the earth

Does libya and italy ring a bell?

there was nothin like the same people in the past each people consider themselves different then base on community not like Benin who consider themselves the same and still sell themselves

Moorish:


What I will say to you is this

Eastern yoruba like ondo and ekiti did have skirmishes with benin. There were wins and there were losses

However, I won't disagree that those states were tributaries to benin.

However, "yoruba" as a term only applied to the citizens of the oyo city state and by extension all our tributary states

It is only post independence that the term "yoruba" encompassed all yoruba speaking peoples

So technically you never really occupied "yorubaland"

In pre-colonial times, "Yorubaland" will encompass the following present day locations:

Oyo kingdom (Oyo state, Osun state, Ogun state, kwara state and the republic of benin)

Ibadan did try to conquer towards the east

And we must be given credit because the egbas and ijebus enacted a blockage against us, so we couldn't import weapons through lagos.. the ekitis and ondos were also pushing against us from the east

Ogedengbe of the ondos was one of their warriors.

That was in the past

I believe we are united now

Well you make more sense that some other Yorubas on here.. I wonder why all this fight about history.. its all in the past now.. There were conquerors and there were the conquered. But all those dont affect our present now.. Its all just history. We should celebrate it rather than fight and try to distort it.

Moneywomen17:
there was nothin like the same people in the past each people consider themselves different then base on community not like Benin who consider themselves the same and still sell themselves

and just like the Yorubas who still indulge in human sacrifices till tomorrow. kidnapping people and innocent children to use for sacrifice.

Moneywomen17:
tell me just one Benin warrior that fought the kriji war just one if u know tell me and try to deflect u and generations will never succeed I know the curse is harsh but I hope it will let u give me an answer

My guy didnt you read my post about the war? I listed Benin generals and commanders that fought in the war.
abeg free me jor.

Moneywomen17:
there was nothin like the same people in the past each people consider themselves different then base on community not like Benin who consider themselves the same and still sell themselves

I concede to your point

At that time in history, if you called an ekiti or ondo citizen a yoruba, it will be seen as an insult to their heritage.

You were basically telling him he is a subject of the alaafin of oyo, which he was not

davidnazee:


and just like the Yorubas who still indulge in human sacrifices till tomorrow. kidnapping people and innocent children to use for sacrifice.

so u can reply to this comment not my other that says u should name one Benin warrior in the kriji war or ur family and u never succeds and u are die untimely death

davidnazee:


My guy didnt you read my post about the war? I listed Benin generals and commanders that fought in the war.
abeg free me jor.

u said Benin fought in the kriji list just one or u Ogun destroy u and ur family. What u listed above was the people u said fought vs akure in ur imiginary mind not the ones who fought the kriji war like u claim. List one bini warrior in the kriji war

Moneywomen17:
post the article here and who beheaded ogedengbe

"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

According to BBC Bitesize - The kingdom of Benin
www.bbc.co.uk › guides
The Edo people feared that their country would fall into chaos, so they asked their neighbour, the King of Ife, for help. The king sent his son Prince Oranmiyan to restore peace to the Edo kingdom. Oranmiyan ....

Look at Edo people's lives that Oranmiyan was the first man that rode on Horse in Igodomigodo.

This brass below figure is believed to be Prince Oranmiyan. Edo legend says that no one in Benin had ever seen a horse before Oranmiyan arrived!

Oh you didn't see the female shrine?

Moneywomen17:
where is iyoba in that pix

davidnazee:



"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

u wrote that show me where u get the stories from ok. Provide the source u got it from even if it’s from Wikipedia

Blacgzeus:
Oh you didn't see the female shrine?

I said where did u see the word “iyoba” that u wrote and where did u get this pix from.

davidnazee:


Well you make more sense that some other Yorubas on here.. I wonder why all this fight about history.. its all in the past now.. There were conquerors and there were the conquered. But all those dont affect our present now.. Its all just history. We should celebrate it rather than fight and try to distort it.

Guy, na una start the fight

I never hear you say one positive thing about oyo. But I did about benin

I personally believe we do not have to be friends or brothers to respect eachother

Ooni and alaafin should consolidate our nation in the west, that is, all yoruba speaking peoples in yoruba territory, including present day republic of benin, (the people of sabe, popo)

You should also go and consolidate your empire. Edo, delta, cross river and all your peoples in the south south

I think it will be a beautiful thing if benin can rise to its ancient prominence and influence (pre-colonial)

Olu317:
According to BBC Bitesize - The kingdom of Benin
www.bbc.co.uk › guides
The Edo people feared that their country would fall into chaos, so they asked their neighbour, the King of Ife, for help. The king sent his son Prince Oranmiyan to restore peace to the Edo kingdom. Oranmiyan ....

Look at Edo people's lives that Oranmiyan was the first man that rode on Horse in Igodomigodo.

This brass brass below figure is believed to be Prince Oranmiyan. Edo legend says that no one in Benin had ever seen a horse before Oranmiyan arrived!

That alone is Incontrovertible proof

Oyo was renowned for its large cavalry.

You are one damn fine researcher man.

Moneywomen17:
u said Benin fought in the kriji list just one or u Ogun destroy u and ur family. What u listed above was the people u said fought vs akure in ur imiginary mind not the ones who fought the kriji war like u claim. List one bini warrior in the kriji war

My friend instead of throwing insults because I'm giving you the bitter truth, just try to do your own research about the Kriji wars. You will find that Benin army actually fought alongside Ekiti warriors, giving them assistance and logistics.
Everything about Benin Kingdom, its campaigns, expansion, its exploits are all documented and witnessed unlike the Yorubas that is only in myths and fables.

Benin wasn't only great 1000yrs ago 500yrs ago or great in myths and fables.. Benin was great up till late 19th century, just about when modern age began.

There was no Yarriba but Benin. Oyo people are the Yorubas not others.

Moorish:


That alone is Incontrovertible proof

Oyo was renowned for its large cavalry.

You are one damn fine researcher man.

Only a fool (not insulting you) will dwell in and celebrate myths and fables.. A wise man will look at actual documents written by historians and explorers.. Those are what is considered as evidence when looking into details.
Someone like you will actually believe Oduduwa cane down from the sky on chains.

Do you think the British that wrote that article believes their own myths about Zeus and Mount Olympus?

davidnazee:


My friend instead of throwing insults because I'm giving you the bitter truth, just try to do your own research about the Kriji wars. You will find that Benin army actually fought alongside Ekiti warriors, giving them assistance and logistics.
Everything about Benin Kingdom, its campaigns, expansion, its exploits are all documented and witnessed unlike the Yorubas that is only in myths and fables.

Benin wasn't only great 1000yrs ago 500yrs ago or great in myths and fables.. Benin was great up till late 19th century, just about when modern age began.

my guy surely u must have just one Benin warrior name who fought in the kriji war like u claim. I have done my research I found no Benin warrior. Your own research that has Benin warrior just show me so I can know once and for all who the Benin warriors are. Give me just one Benin Warrior name surely that must no be hard based on ur “research”

davidnazee:



Only a fool (not insulting you) will dwell in and celebrate myths and fables.. A wise man will look at actual documents written by historians and explorers.. Those are what is considered as evidence when looking into details.
Someone like you will actually believe Oduduwa cane down from the sky on chains.

Do you think the British that wrote that article believes their own myths about Zeus and Mount Olympus?

oduduwa coming from the sky is myth everyone knows that. He was only deify after his death coz of what he represents. So was sango, Ogun and others. Stop using that stale line proper ife history says he came from oke-ora

davidnazee:



Only a fool (not insulting you) will dwell in and celebrate myths and fables.. A wise man will look at actual documents written by historians and explorers.. Those are what is considered as evidence when looking into details.
Someone like you will actually believe Oduduwa cane down from the sky on chains.

Do you think the British that wrote that article believes their own myths about Zeus and Mount Olympus?

Alot of the benin claims sound dodgy

piece by piece I am starting to rethink what I once believed..

growing up in your territory I was force fed this story by your people that you originated our monarchy and kingdom

But you cannot tell me why

1. Igodomigodo changed to ile ibinu
2. Heads of dead obas being buried in ife
3. Ogiso dynasty being replaced by oba dynasty

and the article about benin's first exposure to horses being when oranmiyan entered benin

and the sculpture

No smoke without fire

@olu317, we need to do more work in bringing this historical truth to light

@davidnazee I try to be a gentleman. I do not feel like exchanging pleasantries right now. Call me whatever you want, dawg..

@davidnazee You are still my brother. An african. I am not clannish

Blacgzeus:
There was no Yarriba but Benin.

are u being sarcastic or what Yoruba was on the 4th map u posted

davidnazee:



"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonramwen was begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. How can Oba Ovonramwen who was in house arrest in 1898 kill a man that was born in 1822, who lived though and died in 1920?

davidnazee:



"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonramwen was begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. How can Oba Ovonramwen who was in house arrest in 1898 kill a man that was born in 1822, who lived through and died in 1910?

Davidnaze has been dodging my question about just one Benin warrior in the kriji war coz none exist. Davidnaze and lies are 5&6

davidnazee:



"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom.

davidnazee:



"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. How can you kill a man that was born in 1822, who lived through and died in 1910.

davidnazee:



"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom.

davidnazee:



"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. How can you kill a man that was born in 1822, who lived through and died in 1910.

Moorish:


Guy, na una start the fight

I never hear you say one positive thing about oyo. But I did about benin

I personally believe we do not have to be friends or brothers to respect eachother

Ooni and alaafin should consolidate our nation in the west, that is, all yoruba speaking peoples in yoruba territory, including present day republic of benin, (the people of sabe, popo)

You should also go and consolidate your empire. Edo, delta, cross river and all your peoples in the south south

I think it will be a beautiful thing if benin can rise to its ancient prominence and influence (pre-colonial)

Guy we didnt start any fight. We only stated the obvious about Oduduwa and the reach of Benin Empire but your brothers took an offence at it. The only reason they will do that is because they consider Benin and south south to be minority tribes hence to them its a shame that a minority tribe will once rule over your majority tribe.
I dont see Yoruba denying Nupe invasion and conquest of Yoruba, or Fulani conquests of Yorubas. Fulani even gave you kings yet you do not deny that but you deny Benin gave you Oduduwa.

Oranmiyan came from Ife we agree but we also say he was the son of a Benin man (Oduduwa) but in my opinion I will still call him Yoruba because he was born there to a Yoruba woman and grew there. Even at that the Oranmiyan blood as been washed out of this present Oba. A thousand years is enough time to wash off any Yoruba blood in our Oba.

The British Royal family has German blood in them but you dont hear Germany calling the British monarchy german.

Moneywomen17:
are u being sarcastic or what Yoruba was on the 4th map u posted

that's exactly what I thought, but I ignored that annoying chap, who was flooding the page with images

Olu317:
See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. ;DSee lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. How can you kill a man that was born in 1822, who lived through and died in 1910. ;DSee lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. ;DSee lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. How can you kill a man that was born in 1822, who lived through and died in 1910.

A picture that is not clear you call Ogedengbe? It could even be your grand papa picture you post here.
Please go and research the Ogedengbe war with Benin. If you did you wouldn't be saying anything about Oba begging. Yoruba twisting facts again!!

Ogedengbe army was routed at Ehor, and Ogedengbe killed.
if you no like am, pls tell the nearest person to you to give you hard knock on your head.

Olu317:
Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom

I spat my tea out when I read that

You my dude bro

Moorish:

Alot of the benin claims sound dodgy

piece by piece I am starting to rethink what I once believed..

growing up in your territory I was force fed this story by your people that you originated our monarchy and kingdom

But you cannot tell me why

1. Igodomigodo changed to ile ibinu
2. Heads of dead obas being buried in ife
3. Ogiso dynasty being replaced by oba dynasty

and the article about benin's first exposure to horses being when oranmiyan entered benin

and the sculpture

No smoke without fire

@olu317, we need to do more work in bringing this historical truth to light

@davidnazee I try to be a gentleman. I do not feel like exchanging pleasantries right now. Call me whatever you want, dawg..

@davidnazee You are still my brother. An african. I am not clannish

Moorish,there is no problem bro. Working with you will be with pleasure.

Cheers.

Moorish:


I spat my tea out when I read that

You my dude bro

Sorry about that bro. Just representing Oranmiyan the way he conquered Igodomigodo. Even if we don't wage war anymore, at least ,we must protect the path of truth always.