dammiecool:

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Hairyrapunzel:


So pharmacists now know the diseases and their treatment because they dispense drugs? Nigerians are funny people. I know you are a pharmacist.
Most Nigerian trained pharmacists and lab scientists will not want to practice in developed countries because these countries will not condone wrong practice. Nigerian pharmacist and lab scientists and even nurses make up a large proportion of the quack doctors you have in this country.
Want to form medical doctor when they are not.

maestroferddi:
The veneer of contempt is misplaced...

In the final analysis, doctors should desist their luck too far because if they continue with the prevailing avarice, then something is wont give soon.

They are relying on their political connection to further inequity and insensitivity.

But some day, a government will call their bluff and then the little respect still remaining them will go with wind.

The fact that other health professionals give deference to doctors ought not be abused by doctors to the point of seeing themselves as gods while their co-workers are sub-humans.

Elueme:

I wish u could digest the NMA position before posting this crap..
NMA is not against pay rise for anybody but ask that relativity be sacrosanct according to international best practice.. A doctor with several academic battering and fellowship struggle cannot be on same salary scale with a nurse or pharmacist.. forget the age and all, the quality of service isn't same irrespective of how old one has been in service. We must learn to respect professionalism in this country.
Johesu was formed to hang up against the doctors in the health sector because they feel with their strength they can arm twist the government.. Some of it's demands ate briddled with ego, jealousy and desire to reap where one didn't sow. The door is wide open for any who wishes to study medicine. No following short cut, go back to school and be accorded same status.

eleojo23:
I see that these guys don't know what consultant means.
The don't know that the title 'consultant' is used even outside medical field.
The only consultant they know is all those consultant gynaecologist, consultant pediatrician etc and they think that any other health professional who becomes a consultant will take over their own role.
They don't know that everyone has his own specialty and that they can become consultant in their own field.

Which kain doctors be this wey no understand this simple thing sef?

bornolowu:
someone finishes the PHD from a university calls himself a doctor as he has finished his doctorate degree..the world has come to accept this terms but they are all borrowed words from medicine so also is the word consultant.

shullamite:
At least its clear where the problem in the health sector is coming from now. The doctors don't want other staff to enjoy a little increament of salary even after government has increased their slararies more than Three times in in four years. This is just a case of wickedness and man's inhumanity to man. The doctors are not the employer of labour but they are telling government what to do. It's a case of eating alone and wanting other people to die of hunger even though there is excess food to serve everybody. Let the world see how wicked the doctors are in Nigeria.

Let me tell you the truth early this year the government of Canada increased doctors salary but the doctors refused the increament and told the government to use the money to pay other health workers and improve the facilities in the hospitals for patients to enjoy. But in Nigeria the case is opposite.

hydeka:


You guys can be very ignorant sha.
The pharmacist is not ignorant of disease and treatment. He is just not permitted to treat every kind of sickness because the patient may need proper monitoring which can not be provided in a Pharmacy setting.
If they are completely ignorant of disease and treatment as you claim, how do you think they make inputs?
Well, you guys hardly give them room for input or acknowledge their input here.
In saner climes, pharmacist manage diabetis, prepare chemotherapy treatment plans, etc..

This county is just backward..

Elueme:

I wish u could digest the NMA position before posting this crap..
NMA is not against pay rise for anybody but ask that relativity be sacrosanct according to international best practice.. A doctor with several academic battering and fellowship struggle cannot be on same salary scale with a nurse or pharmacist.. forget the age and all, the quality of service isn't same irrespective of how old one has been in service. We must learn to respect professionalism in this country.
Johesu was formed to hang up against the doctors in the health sector because they feel with their strength they can arm twist the government.. Some of it's demands ate briddled with ego, jealousy and desire to reap where one didn't sow. The door is wide open for any who wishes to study medicine. No following short cut, go back to school and be accorded same status.

hydeka:


You guys can be very ignorant sha.
The pharmacist is not ignorant of disease and treatment. He is just not permitted to treat every kind of sickness because the patient may need proper monitoring which can not be provided in a Pharmacy setting.
If they are completely ignorant of disease and treatment as you claim, how do you think they make inputs?
Well, you guys hardly give them room for input or acknowledge their input here.
In saner climes, pharmacist manage diabetis, prepare chemotherapy treatment plans, etc..

This county is just backward..

maestroferddi:
Your argument looks lazy...

Who is sowing and who is reaping in the case at hand?

I am no health worker but the fact that Nigerian doctors are exploiting a skewed system to hold other health professionals to ransom is wicked, criminal if not satanic.

There has to be something patently wrong with the blackman's DNA/gene that predisposes him to injustice and unreasonableness...

Elueme:

I wish u could digest the NMA position before posting this crap..
NMA is not against pay rise for anybody but ask that relativity be sacrosanct according to international best practice.. A doctor with several academic battering and fellowship struggle cannot be on same salary scale with a nurse or pharmacist.. forget the age and all, the quality of service isn't same irrespective of how old one has been in service. We must learn to respect professionalism in this country.
Johesu was formed to hang up against the doctors in the health sector because they feel with their strength they can arm twist the government.. Some of it's demands ate briddled with ego, jealousy and desire to reap where one didn't sow. The door is wide open for any who wishes to study medicine. No following short cut, go back to school and be accorded same status.

datribune:


Sharrap dia. Nigerian Doctors ar so full of themselves, wrongly believing dat their job is d only essential service in Nigerian hospitals & dat they can bring d govt & people of nigeria to their knees at will.
These half baked, unprofessional, glorified quacks respect no one, not d authorities & certainly not other medical professionals. Their only allegiance is to their private practice which some even run wit govt resources & at times when they ought to be at their govt jobs. 
dis ones only care for lucre & not d hippocratic oath.

kowalsky:



Are all of you mad or there's snake dancing in your head.

Read that write up very well. NMA agreed to Johesu pay increase the major bone of contention is Johesu's systemic orchestration of a power usurping mechanism.

They want to be on the same level in terms of power and authority in the hospital. Imagine a nurse being a consultant. Consultant in what the hell I may ask. They feel it's a political appointment without realizing that consultants earn that rank by going through a strenuous stretch of training and exams. More demanding than medical school itself.

Nurses and the rest of the rejects (yes they're rejects, 99% of them wanted medicine and couldn't get it because their father's were poor or because they lacked the intellect) want to sit in their offices, bang doctors, grow fat and then become consultants.

What nonsense! No where in the world does this kind of fuckery comes up. If the federal government dares to cave in to their requests. Expect a lot of people to die cause no way will a doctor be in the same hospital where a nurse is CMD. It doesn't happen anywhere else in the world and Nigeria will not be the first.

Nonsense!

Elueme:

I wish u could digest the NMA position before posting this crap..
NMA is not against pay rise for anybody but ask that relativity be sacrosanct according to international best practice.. A doctor with several academic battering and fellowship struggle cannot be on same salary scale with a nurse or pharmacist.. forget the age and all, the quality of service isn't same irrespective of how old one has been in service. We must learn to respect professionalism in this country.
Johesu was formed to hang up against the doctors in the health sector because they feel with their strength they can arm twist the government.. Some of it's demands ate briddled with ego, jealousy and desire to reap where one didn't sow. The door is wide open for any who wishes to study medicine. No following short cut, go back to school and be accorded same status.

kowalsky:



Are all of you mad or there's snake dancing in your head.

Read that write up very well. NMA agreed to Johesu pay increase the major bone of contention is Johesu's systemic orchestration of a power usurping mechanism.

They want to be on the same level in terms of power and authority in the hospital. Imagine a nurse being a consultant. Consultant in what the hell I may ask. They feel it's a political appointment without realizing that consultants earn that rank by going through a strenuous stretch of training and exams. More demanding than medical school itself.

Nurses and the rest of the rejects (yes they're rejects, 99% of them wanted medicine and couldn't get it because their father's were poor or because they lacked the intellect) want to sit in their offices, bang doctors, grow fat and then become consultants.

What nonsense! No where in the world does this kind of fuckery comes up. If the federal government dares to cave in to their requests. Expect a lot of people to die cause no way will a doctor be in the same hospital where a nurse is CMD. It doesn't happen anywhere else in the world and Nigeria will not be the first.

Nonsense!

Elueme:

I wish u could digest the NMA position before posting this crap..
NMA is not against pay rise for anybody but ask that relativity be sacrosanct according to international best practice.. A doctor with several academic battering and fellowship struggle cannot be on same salary scale with a nurse or pharmacist.. forget the age and all, the quality of service isn't same irrespective of how old one has been in service. We must learn to respect professionalism in this country.
Johesu was formed to hang up against the doctors in the health sector because they feel with their strength they can arm twist the government.. Some of it's demands ate briddled with ego, jealousy and desire to reap where one didn't sow. The door is wide open for any who wishes to study medicine. No following short cut, go back to school and be accorded same status.

stonemasonn:
a registered nurse of over 20 years experience who is a specialist in say oncology should earn much more than a fresh medical graduate.

Moreover before government sign any agreement with JOHESU, government should include licenses and examinations every two years for all JOHESU members. No exam no license, no license no job and no salary review.

Hairyrapunzel:


Thank God the end of the book said pharmacy and patient assessment in pharmacy Not community health or medical or surgical management of a patient.
The patient will still have to see the medical doctor.
Pharmacists in Nigeria feel they are medical doctors because they assess patients who have been diagnosed and are already put on a treatment plan by medical doctors in the pharmacy.
You don't touch patients skin and you say you are equivalent to a medical doctor who doesnt perform surgeries. You guys are funny in Nigeria.

Hairyrapunzel:


So pharmacists now know the diseases and their treatment because they dispense drugs? Nigerians are funny people. I know you are a pharmacist.
Most Nigerian trained pharmacists and lab scientists will not want to practice in developed countries because these countries will not condone wrong practice. Nigerian pharmacist and lab scientists and even nurses make up a large proportion of the quack doctors you have in this country.
Want to form medical doctor when they are not.

A doctor that don't know that paracetamol and panadol are the same drug, is that one a doctor? A doctor that gives wrong doses of cefixime (an antibiotics for that matter), is that one a doctor?, a doctor that makes wrong diagnoses everytime and keep changing drugs every two days, is that one a doctor?, a doctor that cannot set ordinary IV line, and be looking for assistance from the nurses, is that one a doctor? Shame on these so called doctors. It is the patients I pity.

datribune:


Sharrap dia. Nigerian Doctors ar so full of themselves, wrongly believing dat their job is d only essential service in Nigerian hospitals & dat they can bring d govt & people of nigeria to their knees at will.
These half baked, unprofessional, glorified quacks respect no one, not d authorities & certainly not other medical professionals. Their only allegiance is to their private practice which some even run wit govt resources & at times when they ought to be at their govt jobs. 
dis ones only care for lucre & not d hippocratic oath. Mtchew!

hydeka:


You guys can be very ignorant sha.
The pharmacist is not ignorant of disease and treatment. He is just not permitted to treat every kind of sickness because the patient may need proper monitoring which can not be provided in a Pharmacy setting.
If they are completely ignorant of disease and treatment as you claim, how do you think they make inputs?
Well, you guys hardly give them room for input or acknowledge their input here.
In saner climes, pharmacists manage diabetics, prepare chemotherapy treatment plans, etc..

This county is just backward..

Hairyrapunzel:


In saner climes you nobody allows you manage anything you can't diagnose. How do you want to prepare chemotherapy treatment plan when you don't know the process to diagnosing it or how do you manage diabetes when you don't know the process of diagnosis. Pharmacist want to form doctor when they don't know jack.
Stethoscope you no even sabi use. Can you grade murmur? Be showing me book that has wack content.
If your text doesn't have this kind of content hide your face.

obinto:

A graduate of medical school in the USA makes such a token until after fellowship and board certification. It could be another 4 years before they start earning a reasonable salary. A Pharmacist fresh from school makes more than 2 times his peer Doctor. A nurse fresh from school makes more than the Doctor. Stop quoting "international best practices" u have no knowledge of

MrBigiman:


It's already that way dude. Moreover a nurse cannot be specialist in Oncology, she makes no single decision the specialist does. Even if she has spent 20years, a Senior registrar who has spent 3 yrs in oncology should earn more. A Doctor trumps every other person in the hospital, the hospital was built for him and patients troop in to see him. All other thrashy workers should do his bidding or resign. If they want to be doctors they should have passed Jamb. 90% of Lab scientist filled in Medicine at one time or the other for God sake, so also 98% of male BSC Nurses, the non graduate nurses went to nursing school because they were too dumb to pass Jamb, today they want to be on the same salary scale as Doctor. Pure stupidity!

PrettySleek:

Wow so people dey like this? Do u even know what they are fighting for? Please do your research, nobody said they want d same salary as doctors. Government are still owning them some allowances for over 2 years. When one is promoted, it reflects in d salary right? Nurses don't get that, how can someone be promoted from level 11 to 12, even 13 and d salary doesn't change? Meanwhile things are getting expensive o, nurses don't have families right? They will pay their bills with poo abi? And this stupid mentality of calling doctors d alphas is very myopic! Open ur eyes! Everybody has their usefulness, nurses can't do the work of doctors, doctors can't do the work of nurses, pharmacists, even cleaners, everybody is important to the health sector! They should learn to meet the needs of others, they went on strike and all d government hospital shut down. If they are so superior as u claim they should have continued admitting patients, they should have kept the hospital going since nobody is as important as them. U should be telling the government to pay what they are owning, not dragging supremacy with up and down! With d way young nurses relocate these days, one day u people will look for nurses, u will not see.

hydeka:


This one is obviously a student/ baby doctor.

Seriously, you guys are actually the most ignorant set of people I've come across. And you don't want to get enlightened because you are insecure and afraid of what you might discover

When you are mentally and emotionally ready, please enlighten yourself.

dechriscool:
The gang up against doctors is not only by allied health workers but also by some Nigerians. I did a post about how JOHESU members beat up Doctors at NAUTH just to registered their graviances against doctors in course o f this their strike .That post didn't see the day light.

However,the disparity in salary structure between doctors and JOHESU members can't be overemphasized.Read the statement of facts below to guard on the activities in the hospital

THE PATIENT COMES TO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE THE DOCTOR.

There are three group of people in the Hospital worldwide;

1. Doctor
2. Patients
3. Hospital support staff.

-A patient comes to a medical emergency unit rushed by his relatives.
-The DOCTOR sends for his file/folder to be retrieved by the MEDICAL RECORDS STAFF.
-The DOCTOR takes history from PATIENT and examines the PATIENT.
-The DOCTOR makes a diagnosis (or set of diagnosis-differential diagnosis).
-The DOCTOR asks the PHARMACIST to supply the drugs for the particular disease.
-The DOCTOR asks the NURSE to administer the drugs.
-The DOCTOR asks the PATIENT to go to Radiology department to do an X-RAY/CT-SCAN.
-The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) asks the RADIOGRAPHER to do the X-ray. The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) interprets the X-ray and writes a report to be taken to the DOCTOR in the Emergency.
-The DOCTOR in the Emergency unit uses the X-ray report to further treat the patient.
-The DOCTOR sends the PATIENT to the laboratory to do some tests.
-The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) asks the LABORATORY SCIENTIST or LABORATORY TECHNICIAN to do the test or do the test himself if necessary.
The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) interprets the report and sends the patient back to the doctor in the emergency.
-The DOCTOR evaluates the patient and asks for more drugs from the PHARMACY for the NURSE to administer.
-The DOCTOR admits the patient to the ward if patient is not good to go or discharges the patient if he is good.
-THE DOCTOR in the ward keeps on seeing the patient and evaluating his needs. THE DOCTOR calls for the assistance of the NURSE, PHARMACIST, LABORATORY SCIENTIST/TECHNICIAN, RADIOGRAPHER when the need arises.
But there is always a need for the DOCTOR to be in CONTACT with the progress of the patient.
-THE DOCTOR DISCHARGES the PATIENT home or CERTIFIES him dead as the case may be.

IT BEGINS WITH THE DOCTOR and PATIENT from admission and ends with DOCTOR and PATIENT on discharge from the hospital.

1. DOCTORS WORLDWIDE are LEADERS of the health sector in the best of centers.
-Google LIST OF BEST HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD.
A list of many hospital according to ranking would come up.
-Take the first 5, or 10, or 20 hospitals ONE BY ONE.
-For each hospital Google it's leadership.
-All would show you that the doctor is the head.
The CEO/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of all the hospitals have MD or MBBS as their basic qualification. (Most of these doctors have no any other non-medical qualification).

PLEASE GOOGLE FOR YOURSELF
-THE BEST HOSPITALS in the world.
-Then LEADERSHIP OF EACH HOSPITAL.

2.)DOCTORS ARE PAID FAR BETTER THAN OTHER SUPPORT STAFF WORLDWIDE.
This pay gets far different when the DOCTOR is a SPECIALIST: CONSULTANT (UK/INDIA) or an ATTENDING PHYSICIAN (USA).

Google the best hospitals in the world and the salary of the workers.

Google for yourself.
Do not be fed with lies.

3.) CAREER PROGRESSION for DOCTORS.
Doctors have two pathways for progression in Nigeria:
i. NORMAL CIVIL SERVICE where you are promoted to the next grade after every 3years.
ii. POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION, where you enroll into residency and is only promoted after rigorous academic and practical training and passing of professional examinations.
After NYSC the doctor pays heavily to write an exam called primaries. After the primaries he/she undergo extensive training as a REGISTRAR and after 3-5years write the PART 1 exams to become a SENIOR REGISTRAR. After another 3-5years he writes another exam to become a FELLOW/CONSULTANT. Each of PART 1 and 2 exams advance the doctor only one grade level (e.g Part 1 exam after 3-5 years moves a DOCTOR from grade 12 to 13. Part 2 after another 3-5moves a doctor from grade 13-14).
The pass rate of these exams generally is between 10-30%.
Its difficult to progress through the postgraduate pathway. You may spend more than 6years without promotion.

GOOGLE THE TRUTH.

THE DRAMA PLAYING IN THE

kowalsky:


Shut the fvck up!

Yes they're full of themselves. And rightly so. You think it's easy to be a doctor in this God forsaken cesspit you call a country. Medical school in Nigeria and probably everywhere else is not beans. It's fvckin hectic and only the best minds get the opportunity. Reasons enough to feel proud.

And if you're a motherfucking nurse or med lab scientist. You should fvkin grovel at my feet. There's a difference.

Also doctors become doctors not only because they want to cure your disease ridden families of their illnesses. They have families too and they want to drive big cars like you too. Compared to many other professions they're grossly underpaid. In the Us they're the moist well paid profession. I'm Nigeria an entry level physician earns in the range of $500.

They tolerate this nonsense, manage to shore up all the other fuckeries inherent in the system and Johesu from nowhere is systemically planning a coup and you want them to sit still. Not gonna happen.


Get this into your thick skull. Doctors and all the other Johesu rejects are not mates. The only guys who should even try dining with doctors are pharmacists, and if you take a detailed look at this Johesu rising you'll see that its the good for nothing Nurses and those lab technicians that call themselves scientists that are spearheading the movement.

Take them. Nurses and med lab scientists out of the health care system and it'll still work perfectly well. UITH proved this point a while ago. A doctor is trained to know everything a Nurse / med lab technician knows. And it's not then other way round.

kowalsky:


Doesn't negate the fact that all he's said are truths set in stone. Objectively counteract just one point he made. You can't.

HillsBlaze:
I don't know why the NMA will dictate to govt who is the employer of labour on how to treat other employees. It beats me how a set of people who claim to be highly educated don't know the simple meaning of 'consultant'. Nigerian drs if u can't open ur dictionary, a simple Google Search for the word will suffice.
I have a lot of Dr friends and most time I wonder if they the same as the bunch of no nothing miscreants parading as doctors making noise up and down, disturbing the peace of the healthcare system. When I discuss with these highly accomplished doctors, the usual conclusion is that it is greed that will make a doctor to leave his own field and go poke nose in another's field.

I read where someone called people in other professions rejects, seriously u need help. I chose Nursing as a first choice and am proud of it cos they were the ones that made an impact in my life with all my hospital experience as a little child.

At the end of the day the govt is to blame cos when we don't have enough equipments and instruments that's when a doctor, nurse, lab scientist, pharmacist etc will have time to poke nose in anothers biz.

Our Nigerian trained doctors that are here making stupid noise will get abroad and work in hospitals with nurses, pharmacist or even a hospital administrator as the CEO. If you one, just reject the job offer and come back to Nigeria and be heading dilapidated buildings with nothing but greater embarrassment and shame.

The day our health sector took a turn for the worse was when they started this consolidation and look where it has kept us when it comes to health care.

Nigeria, a country that keeps trying the same failed policies all over and over without learning from the mistakes made. The day peace will come will be when everyone gets to be on the table and decisions are taken together, until then the cat and dog system continues.