hydeka:


This one is obviously a student/ baby doctor.

Seriously, you guys are actually the most ignorant set of people I've come across. And you don't want to get enlightened because you are insecure and afraid of what you might discover

When you are mentally and emotionally ready, please enlighten yourself.

Eyaaa. Since you don't know that it's the doctors duty to make diagnosis and draw a treatment plan know now. Stop propagating falsehood. Do you know how to grade murmurs ? Can you confirm someone dead and give a death certificate? Do you know the uses of a sphygmomanometer? Do you even know the uses of a stethoscope? You don't know jack about management of a patient.

enemyofprogress:
Make hospital staff kuku kill us



Am at were dey re selling cars ryt now. Pls guys btwn ACURA ZDX and TOYOTA VENZA, which one do you advice me 2 snap pix with?

You want to snap pics by this time of the night?
Go home now before I report you to your mummy.

datribune:


This is exactly d problem. I take it dat u ar probably a nigerian doctor as d instinctive arrogance in ur post is true to character. Grow up & cut dat crap wit ur overblown ego & exaggerated sense of self-importance. d nigerian doctor wit his archaic, half baked training is nothing more than a glorified first aider. A glorified first aider come dey refer to other health workers as rejects. Mtchew!
What pathetic nonsense! Can u imagine dis greedy money mongers comparing  themselves to foreign doctors who ar growing limbs 4 d limbless & performing many medical wonders in line wit their calling & hippocratic oath?.
Dude, in today's nigeria, d street chemist is more relevant & does more 4 d average nigerian than ur overhyped, always-on-strike, greedy selves. I tell u authoritatively dat as things stand today in nigeria, dis chemists ar far more important & dedicated & hav more integrity than ur overhyped, arrogant selves. They hav always stood by & taken care of d nigerian people when u guys go on ur conscienceless, greedy, murderous, never-ending strikes.
You are here sounding off. What of people who go after armed robbers or face d dreaded Boko Haram in their enclaves in samosa?. Make una go sì down abeg

I'll won't dignify your senseless banter with a detailed response. But note this.

They're good Nigerian doctors making giant strides everyday.

That the average Nigerian like you is battered by poverty and can't afford healthcare services, ergo forcing them to turn the way of 'chemists' is no fault of the Nigerian doctor.

When chemists start handling cases of heart attacks, remind me to accord them all the accolades they deserve.

hydeka:


You want to snap pics by this time of the night?
Go home now before I report you to your mummy.

e concern you?

hydeka:


Objectively counteract ignorance?

Which one should I even counteract?
Is it where he said pharmacists can't use stethoscope? Smh...I guess he doesn't know pharmacists monitor BP

Or that they don't know treatment plan for diabetes? What is difficult in that? Obviously he said that because he doesn't know that there are diabetes consultant pharmacists who run pharmacist-endocrinologist clinics for diabetics in those climes

Do you even know what it means to be a pharmacist?

First, are you a pharmacist?

Hairyrapunzel:


Eyaaa. Since you don't know that it's the doctors duty to make diagnosis and draw a treatment plan know now. Stop propagating falsehood. Do you know how to grade murmurs ? Can you confirm someone dead and give a death certificate? Do you know the uses of a sphygmomanometer? Do you even know the uses of a stethoscope? You don't know jack about management of a patient.

You are still confirming the fact that you are a student doctor. It's you guys who talk like this.

Pharmacists don't know the use of Stethoscope, spygmomanometer...kai...stop talking already...

datribune:


This is exactly d problem. I take it dat u ar probably a nigerian doctor as d instinctive arrogance in ur post is true to character. Grow up & cut dat crap wit ur overblown ego & exaggerated sense of self-importance. d nigerian doctor wit his archaic, half baked training is nothing more than a glorified first aider. A glorified first aider come dey refer to other health workers as rejects. Mtchew!
What pathetic nonsense! Can u imagine dis greedy money mongers comparing  themselves to foreign doctors who ar growing limbs 4 d limbless & performing many medical wonders in line wit their calling & hippocratic oath?.
Dude, in today's nigeria, d street chemist is more relevant & does more 4 d average nigerian than ur overhyped, always-on-strike, greedy selves. I tell u authoritatively dat as things stand today in nigeria, dis chemists ar far more important & dedicated & hav more integrity than ur overhyped, arrogant selves. They hav always stood by & taken care of d nigerian people when u guys go on ur conscienceless, greedy, murderous, never-ending strikes.
You are here sounding off. What of people who go after armed robbers or face d dreaded Boko Haram in their enclaves in sambisa?. Shouldn't they be prouder?. Make una go sì down abeg

Matter of fact. The NIGERIAN ARMY has more pride than any other entity in the world. So what's your point?

When I read this JOHESU vs Doctors thing, I just laugh. How will you expect a doctor who has spent like 13-14 years in training as a CONSULTANT to be addressed and have equal benefits with someone who has years of experience. Think about it. So, if a consultant draws out a treatment plan for his/her patient, a nurse who has years of experience can change it because he/she now answers the name CONSULTANT. in the long run, is patients that will suffer it.

kowalsky:


I'll won't dignify your senseless banter with a detailed response. But note this.

They're good Nigerian doctors making giant strides everyday.

That the average Nigerian like you is battered by poverty and can't afford healthcare services, ergo forcing them to turn the way of 'chemists' is no fault of the Nigerian doctor.

When chemists start handling cases of heart attacks, remind me to accord them all the accolades they deserve.

I won't be dragged into that online bragging poo about poverty or wealth. I don't do that childish sh*t.
Ur deluded rant is exactly d problem wit d typical overhyped, overpampered nigerian doctor. Even dis mumu in his ignorance thinks other health workers ar rejects. Imagine that!. 
Go & sit ur sorry ass down, abeg. d misguided arrogance & exaggerated sense of self importance of dis group of conscienceless, always-on-strike, greedy Doctors is amazing.

oh

kowalsky:


Matter of fact. The NIGERIAN ARMY has more pride than any other entity in the world. So what's your point?

Yeah, that's my point. You don't hear them referring to other professionals as rejects, do you?.

datribune:


Yeah, that's my point. You don't hear them referring to other professionals as rejects, do you?.

Bloody civilian. Sounds familiar?

dammiecool:

And d doctor also produced d drugs abi[size=8pt][/size]

Doctors will not head drug producing company nah...have you heard doctors compete for leadership of glaxosmith?

DrObum:

Why would a newly employed nurse earn more than a clerk or cleaner who has worked for 15 years.
We want total equality and equity in the health sector.

valid question.

SLYX:


All this nonsense typing, is it about the foolish Nigerian doctors that know nothing. Why do you think President Buhari had to travel for medical check up outside. It's crystal clear that Nigerian doctors are not worth it at all. I have first hand experience of how doctors in teaching hospitals managed my mom's health almost to death. Just one visit to a Turkish hospital, all their wrong diagnosis were revealed. And today my mom is alive and strong. I rather die than submit myself to be treated by a Nigerian doctor

And who do you think is treating your president oversees?. You should blame the system and not the doctors. Statistics has shown that 4% of medical doctors in the U.S are Nigerians so stop castigating and stop hating!!!!

tflourish9:
We can see how these unions are holding the nation to ransom because of their selfish demands.They get paid even while on strike,so the only people that suffers are the patients.Weakening the powers of these unions is the only way forward.

Why should the patients suffer, when doctors can do it all alone?

maestroferddi:
The veneer of contempt is misplaced...

In the final analysis, doctors should desist their luck too far because if they continue with the prevailing avarice, then something is wont give soon.

They are relying on their political connection to further inequity and insensitivity.

But some day, a government will call their bluff and then the little respect still remaining them will go with wind.

The fact that other health professionals give deference to doctors ought not be abused by doctors to the point of seeing themselves as gods while their co-workers are sub-humans.

You think if governments can call their 'bluff' they wouldn't have already.

It's not the choice of other health care professionals to accord doctors respect. It's a mandatory requirement. Very very mandatory in every hospital setting. Doctors don't come to pharmacies or drug development firms to tussle power with pharmacists.
The other SUB-MEDICAL disciplines are by default subjected to the oversight of doctors. So it's not as if anyone is doing doctors any favors.
Like I've been saying all over the thread. They're not mates.

If Doctors, Nurses, and Med lab scientists are paid the same and with same prestige can someone sincerely tell me what will happen to the number of doctors Nigeria will produce yearly? Well in my opinion... My answers (1) The way people are now choosing to study nursing over physics, 80% of potential doctors will rather study nursing or medical lab tech (2) People will only study medicine for easy migration to greener pastures (3) 80% of present doctors below the age of 55 will migrate to other countries where pay is the ultimate, and most consultant will rather work for multinationals instead of teaching hospitals... Before you transfer your aggression or pour your venom on doctors think of possible eventualities

dammiecool:
And d doctor also produced d drugs abi[size=8pt][/size]

and u think they produce the drug in the hospital right.. mtcheew..
let the go and shine up in the manufacturing industry not hospital.

In all these noise all over nobody talked about how much nurses and doctors are paid...whats the biggie in 220 K for a register doctor? pauper fighting pauper abeg. Several of my friends with MBBS refused to practice, why earn 200K working 24hrs/7 in the name of calls while someone with same brain earn 1.5 million working with consulting firms and multinationals? I don't see any a common sense why the best student in a high school should struggle to earn 200k after some rigorous years in college when he/she can excel easily sitting for ICAN or ACCA. I pity Nigeria in few years there will be very few lawyers and doctors in our space...pay really horrible, while people are doing everything possible to strip them of the little ego and prestige they have left.

source:Age and Ageing 2004; 33: 327–328 Age and Ageing Vol. 33 No. 4 British Geriatrics Society 2004; all rights reserved DOI: 10.1093/ageing/afh143 327 EDITORIALS

[Consultant Nurses: changing the future?

Prime Minister Tony Blair first launched the concept of the
Consultant Nurse in 1998. This new ‘super nurse’ was
expected to have a similar status to that of medical consult-
ants and for the first time expert nurses would be enabled to
remain at the bedside and deliver improved services for
patients. The Nursing Strategy for England,
Making a Differ-
ence
[1], set out the template fo
r developing these posts and
outlined a range of new clinical career opportunities for
nurses where traditionally routes for development led into
management or education and out of clinical practice.
Four key areas of responsibility were defined for Con-
sultant Nurse posts: expert practice; professional leadership
and consultancy; education and development; and practice
and service development linked to research and evaluation.
Key too was the expectation that the post-holder spend
50% of their time in clinical practice [2]. Furthermore, Con-
sultant Nurses were to have
been educated to Masters or
Doctorate level and hold additional speciality-specific
professional qualifications [1].
The Government’s commitment to improving services
for older people led to the launch of the National Service
Framework (NSF) for Older People in March 2001 [3].
Maximising the contribution of all the professionals involved
in the health and social care of older people was recognised as
being fundamental to delivering the significant improvements
across health and social services that the NSF required. In
particular, nursing was recognised as having a significant con-
tribution to make in leading
change, as emphasised in this
excerpt from Standard 4 Gene
ral Hospital Care page 60:
‘. . . all general Hospitals will have developed a nursing
structure which clearly identifi
es leaders with
responsibility
for older people. Consideration will have been given to
Nurse Specialists, Nurse Consultants and Clinical Leaders
(Modern Matrons)’ (3) Nurses deliver 80% of clinical
care to patients (4) ‘2/3 of patients cared for in hospital
wards are over the age of 65.’
Consultant Nurses therefore
are well placed to help with
the transformational change
needed to truly modernise
services for older people. Through expert practice they can
deliver service improvements that directly benefit patients;
through professional leadership and consultancy they can
influence the strategic development of services; through
educating nurses and others they can raise awareness and
change practice on a wider scale; and finally they can demon-
strate their impact through research and evaluation.
Currently there are 54 Consultant Nurse for Older People
Posts in England: 23 posts in Acute Hospital Trusts, 21 posts
in Primary Care Trusts, 8 posts in Mental Health Trusts and
2 posts which span both Mental Health and Acute Trusts.
There are 2 Consultant Nurse
posts in Wales, 1 post in
Northern Ireland and 2 in Scot
land. In addition there are
11 Consultant Nurses in stroke services across England.
The variety in scope of existing Consultant Nurse posts
reflects both local need and the diversity and complexity of
the care that older people require. The impact of Consultant
Nurse posts can often prove challenging for both indi-
viduals and organisations. There has been tremendous vari-
ation in how these posts have been set up and supported.
For example, some organisations have handed over vast
agendas to a single post-holder with the expectation that
they can transform services on their own without support.
However research has shown [4] that Consultant Nurses
have the potential to become isolated and fragmented from
mainstream services unless the posts are well thought out,
there are realistic expectati
ons of what post-holders can
achieve and they have adequate resources at their disposal.
Organisational support is crucial to success both in terms of
ensuring parity of resource with other consultant posts and
in ensuring professional support from both nursing and
medical colleagues.
Consultant Nurses, although
faced with tough chal-
lenges, are already taking forward a raft of important service
improvements: leading on NSF ta
rgets; establishing nurse-led
clinics and services, in particular around continence, falls,
psychiatric liaison, early onset dementia, care home support,
intermediate care, and a plethora of initiatives related to
supporting and empowering vulner
able adults and their carers.
In addition many Consultant Nurses have teaching and
research commitments with loca
l universities, a number are
undertaking further postgradua
te study and most have com-
pleted or are in the process of
completing nurse prescribing
courses. Nevertheless the trem
endous potential of the Con-
sultant Nurse role with its scope to develop and lead new
services is yet to be fully realised.
An ageing population with ever more complex health
and social care needs, and the service delivery pressures
associated with sustaining the education and training of
medical staff and meeting the European Working Time
directives, are all likely to place a huge strain on the health
professional workforce. Working in new ways, and recog-
nising professional boundaries as boundaries rather than
barriers, will be fundamental in delivering high quality serv-
ices for older people in the future. The number of Consultant
Nurses for Older People must grow and post-holders must
be supported to take on an increasingly important role in
planning and delivering services for older people.
To this end, the Department of Health has facilitated
and supported the development of a national network for
Older People and Stroke Consultant nurses. The network
has been meeting for 3 years and during that time the Con-
sultant Nurses have made an active contribution to the
national policy agenda. They act as an expert reference
group for the National Nurse Lead for Older People and
provide ready challenge and expertise on relevant policy
issues and developments. In return they have been afforded
an opportunity to have a close working relationship with the
centre and access to debate with key national figures from
health and social care.
Maximising the impact of Consultant Nurses, however,
depends not only on them maintaining their place in the
national policy arena but also, and arguably most import-
antly, depends on them securing
support locally from medical
colleagues and managers. The many mutually supportive
and valuable working relationships, in place in many trusts
around the country is encouraging, but unfortunately such
relationships are not yet universal. One Consultant Nurse
won’t change the world but one Consultant Nurse sup-
ported by their colleagues just might

Every healthcare worker should be paid whatever value they add to the medical team. Simple. However, for many of the doctors, it has become a matter of ego. Nurses and other Healthcare professionals in the U. S and U. K with Masters and PhD are already becoming consultants. Infact some nurses in some states now prescribe drugs in their area of speciality with various restrictions covering that (some states require that they be attached to a particular specialist). Let JOHESU fight for what they believe is their rightful pay and NMA also fight for their rightful pay. In reality we have to many Drs in Nigeria that don't specialize. What we need right now is more specialists.Nigeria, in fact the world generally is highly in need of highly specialized plus experienced doctors. That is where Drs are most needed and would shine. A Dr who is for example a general surgeon or urologist will always command value once he knows his job. Nurses, pharmacists, etc cant become surgeons.

frankpro27:


Nd a pharmacist got his on a platter of gold. Shut ur mouth already. Thr is no much difference bw a pharm.D holder Nd a medical doctor. A pharmacist can do all except surgery. Bt also, a doctor can't compound or produce drugs. What do doctors knw about drugs pls.

Oga, they don't produce drugs in hospitals... I don't know why ppl will study pharmacy in Nigeria and choose to dispense drugs as a living... Fight to contribute more in management of patients in nigeria

frankpro27:


That's the problem. U guys always think dat j knw it all Nd others ar dumb. Aside surgery, a hospital will run perfectly well without a doctor. Take that to the bank.

Are you for real? Can you pick and interpret heart murmurs? Oh, my gwad... U ppl are crazy.

You are the person saying trash here. Please study JOHESU AND NMA DEMANDs FIRST just I as have done, JOHESU has never requested to be equal with doctors, JOHESU is requesting to grow on their own different professions which is still and I quote not equal to doctors. NMA is greedy association who wants other health professionals to be treated like trash forgetting they also health care practitioners who also went to the university to be able to attain health care expertise and grow as the profession permits. A TYPICAL NIGERIAN DOCTOR IS FULL of UNNECESSARY EGO as if he or she does not get sick, please travel out this country and see how doctors and other health care workers and even gate men work in peace with mutual respect and a good sense responsibility.

Elueme:

I wish u could digest the NMA position before posting this crap..
NMA is not against pay rise for anybody but ask that relativity be sacrosanct according to international best practice.. A doctor with several academic battering and fellowship struggle cannot be on same salary scale with a nurse or pharmacist.. forget the age and all, the quality of service isn't same irrespective of how old one has been in service. We must learn to respect professionalism in this country.
Johesu was formed to hang up against the doctors in the health sector because they feel with their strength they can arm twist the government.. Some of it's demands ate briddled with ego, jealousy and desire to reap where one didn't sow. The door is wide open for any who wishes to study medicine. No following short cut, go back to school and be accorded same status.

hydeka:


We are not talking about surgery. No pharmacist want to do surgery.
They don't touch people's skin? Well you are only limited to the hospital setting. And you don't know the content of those books. What does assessment mean? Doesn't it involve some physical examination?
See, if you want to touch all the patient's body parts and do your surgeries, you can go ahead, nobody is dragging that with you but know that pharmacists also do examinations in the community setting.

You guys should try to at least know the competencies of those you work with na, haba!

A teaching hospital is not "a community".. You can do all that in absence of a hospital pls... And refer patients ASAP

Most Nigerian doctors or so called devilish NMA is the worst on earth. I took my time to study both JOHESU AND NMA demand, honestly I read this their demands thoroughly and came to the conclusion that doctors are wicked and evil. My family doctor even agrees that doctors are full of unnecessary pride, thus affecting the healthcare system.

shullamite:
At least its clear where the problem in the health sector is coming from now. The doctors don't want other staff to enjoy a little increament of salary even after government has increased their slararies more than Three times in in four years. This is just a case of wickedness and man's inhumanity to man. The doctors are not the employer of labour but they are telling government what to do. It's a case of eating alone and wanting other people to die of hunger even though there is excess food to serve everybody. Let the world see how wicked the doctors are in Nigeria.

Let me tell you the truth early this year the government of Canada increased doctors salary but the doctors refused the increament and told the government to use the money to pay other health workers and improve the facilities in the hospitals for patients to enjoy. But in Nigeria the case is opposite.

frankpro27:


Nd a pharmacist got his on a platter of gold. Shut ur mouth already. Thr is no much difference bw a pharm.D holder Nd a medical doctor. A pharmacist can do all except surgery. Bt also, a doctor can't compound or produce drugs. What do doctors knw about drugs pls.

Ahh!!!

Nigeria is finished.

It is just like the senate president telling president not to increase the salary of his ministers. Doctor are talking like they employeed other healthcare workers.

CSTR1003:
lol

The guy above is yapping about the relativity theory.

What does a doctor know about relativity? More like bad -belle tivity.

I am not in the health sector o, before they pounce on me.

HaneefahRN:



No where in their demands was same pay as Drs mentioned.
All they seek is better pay, working conditions, ability to progress in their field without it been cut short and payment of their salary arrears.
Drs have had their salaries adjusted thrice in 4 years, no one batted an eye lid, the resident Drs went on about 6 months strike the last time no one said anything but placate them, but whenever the other health professionals try and make any request, they start brewing trouble and feel unnecessarily threatened like other health professionals earning better will affect their salary. Since they have smartly positioned themselves so well to occupy all top positions in the health sector they try and stifle others. You are either a Dr in the health sector or nothing.
It's called a Team for a reason but they feel they can do it alone. And before you say anything some fools will say you can go be a Dr, not everyone is interested in being a Dr, a Dr only can't effectively manage a pt.
And other health professionals refuse to be subdued by these Ego maniacs

Do you mind them? So much ego without the comnesurate competence. That is why people still embark on medical tourism that drains our Forex. Even the offshore doctors now decapitate a baby in the womb by pulling on a breach baby's leg during delivery only to conduct surgery just to remove the baby's detached head . What a shame!

My family doctor once told me, if you remove surgery doctor will become less relevant

mediclife1987:


Ahh!!!

Nigeria is finished.

norahs:


When you quote international best practice, I assume that you are either being mischievous or uninformed. In USA and Canada well known as standards for international best practice, an intern doctor or resident doctor (doctor in training) earns lower than a nurse, pharmacist and other health professionals. Yes, an attending (consultant) and general practitioner earns higher but NEVER an intern or resident doctor. So stop mis-quoting international best practice. Besides, medical practice in Nigeria is no where near local best practice let alone international best practice.

The Nurse that earns higher than an intern are those at the top of their careers. Like Matrons, CNOs etc. Not a fellow fresh Nurse.

Same thing occurs in Nigeria and it's even part of the relativity we're talking about. The Matrons in my ward that had BSc. Nursing certificate earn higher than Interns and even the Matrons who just passed through Nursing School.

Nigerians are just so full of deceit they always love to twist information to beguile and mislead the populace for their selfish and evil intentions.