AbuadStudent:


But i showed you proof that johesu is asking for the same pay as doctors.

If they were asking for a simple raise, it wouldnt cause his much problem.

Your presentation of "proof" is twisted.

Entry point for a graduate of medicine with NYSC is Grade Level 12 while other health professionals is at Grade Level 10 and below and the implication is that it will take other health professionals at least four years to reach where that entry point is.

The starting point of doctors Salary scale starts from the equivalent of GRADE LEVEL TEN while other health workers salary scale start from equivalent of GRADE LEVEL TWO. Can. you call that parity?

MrBigiman:


It's already that way dude. Moreover a nurse cannot be specialist in Oncology, she makes no single decision the specialist does. Even if she has spent 20years, a Senior registrar who has spent 3 yrs in oncology should earn more. A Doctor trumps every other person in the hospital, the hospital was built for him and patients troop in to see him. All other thrashy workers should do his bidding or resign. If they want to be doctors they should have passed Jamb. 90% of Lab scientist filled in Medicine at one time or the other for God sake, so also 98% of male BSC Nurses, the non graduate nurses went to nursing school because they were too dumb to pass Jamb, today they want to be on the same salary scale as Doctor. Pure stupidity!

And who told you they want to be on the same salary scale as doctors ...you must be a big fool.Educated illiterate like you.

bornolowu:
lolz.... heart surgeries are done in Nigerian my dear, (also neurosurgery) a pivate hospital in abuja, lagos . However, the fact that they are not done doesn't mean that they will done by non doctors and that is a very unbrilliant analogy . Your second analogy is more intelligent but as you have said, I refer to senior colleagues, they are colleagues, you are not colleague my dear.. ophthalmologist will never refer any case to you and I hope you know what that means..

Heart Surgeries lol. Can you make common Arthemeter/lumefantrine can you make it, do you understand the process. That’s only one 1. The Syringes and everything you use, they fall from the sky right. You people just argue without basics, are you a baby ���. Your fathers farm will always be the largest until you see other people’s farm.
Their are machines available that can take over surgery and have already done soo. You people are becoming jobless, more of the reason why you are more protective.
Share your salary here, let’s see if it’s underpayment

Nigeria is a mess,...

Everyone has his or her own role to play! No one should lord over the other. Pay parity should exist but everyone is important.
As a Nigerian youth, reading about comment from Nigerian doctors here is so hilarious. It takes a hospital 'community' to ensure operations. Don't belittle anyone.

I am presently in an 100% Engineering school, I have seen medical doctors/biochemists/bioengineers/medical and device engineers/materials scientists,..(any science inclined field you can think of) working together to propel ground breaking research to promote human lives.. Everyone is important for progress.

I am amazed at the reasoning of the obviously young Nigerian doctors on this forum!... Ignorance .... O ma she oh!

The only period in the history of labour unrest and agitations in Nigeria with some relative peace was when Prof. Eyitayo Lambo (Health Economist & Administrator) was the Minister of Health. He was able to administer the health sector from the view of an Economist Administrator with a balanced approach to issues as it affects each health care profession within the health sector. However, prior to that period especially when Prof Olikoye Ransom-Kuti was minister for almost eight years under the Gen Babangida "Maradona" junta, the health sector witnessed a systematic consistent decimation and degrading of other health workers while deliberately elevating and empowering doctors as "special superior" species in total violation of the existing rules and regulations of the civil service as obtainable in the health sector then. Various circulars were released and released until doctors became the Alpha and Omega of the health sector sidelining all other health professionals into a box. The consequences of this atrocities is the downward decline in the health indices of Nigerians because the sector was poorly managed by doctors till date. Doctors are not trained in college to manage human resources and financial resources but patients who are medically sick or ill. Management of Sick persons is different from the management of Humans as resources. A look at all the Health parastatals and agencies headed by doctors today manifests decay and a shift from the intended act establishing such agencies. From NHIS to Primary Healthcare development Authorities to Teaching hospitals and Federal medical centre to National Blood Technicial Services to Expanded Programme on Immunizations to NAFDAC (during Dr Paul Orhii) tenure. They are simply poor managers who approach issues from egoistic point rather from administrative point. My submission is this. It took other health professionals to almost two decades to come together under one body as JOHESU to fight the ROT and favoritism of doctors in the health sector. It is obvious now that the present minister does not even understand the difference between EQUITY AND EQUALITY even as a Professor. The end of JOHESU strike when the goal of equity in emoluments and other issues should not be the end of health workers struggle. JOHESU as a body should impress it upon the Federal government and the Legislature that the head of the any Health institution is not a medical qualification but a pure Administrative position as Health Administrator which is NOT a medical position. That the present situation of doctors running the health facilities without adequate prerequisite management and administrative skills and knowledge has never helped the health sector in Nigeria UPTIL Date. A Health administrator (Non-medical) CEO will manage the health sector judiciously and fairly without placing one professional above another as it is now. Prof Albert Einstein said "All Professions are equal and non is superior or inferior to another..

These doctors are funny oooo. So Nigerian doctors want to be heading all department in the hospital. Really !!!!!!!. Nigeria doctors plz face what you are trained to do. I stopped reading the memo after reading section 4 of the memo. I simply concluded that doctors " ise o ka awon doctors lara"

Mofpearl:
Reading a lot of comments here about nurses not being able to work independently without the doctor makes me wonder if a nurse practitioner program exists in Nigeria.

I wonder if most of them even knows what a nurses job specification is. who told them a Nurse cannot work independently. well I don't blame them sha when majority of their people employ quacks and auxiliary for service how won't they be yarning rubbish..

In my few months of practice as a community Pharmacist I have come to a conclusion that Nigerian doctors are synonymous with prescription/medication errors. 3 out of every 5 Prescription comes with significant errors. If Pharmacies keeps records of all prescriptions received and shows them(errors) to the public I'd believe patients will be scared of visiting doctors here

Babybush:
In my few months of practice as a community Pharmacist I have come to a conclusion that Nigerian doctors are synonymous with prescription/medication errors. 3 out of every 5 Prescription comes with significant errors. If Pharmacies keeps records of all prescriptions received and shows them(errors) to the public I'd believe patients will be scared of visiting doctors here

The things I see eh...
We cover up for them but they don't realise it.

Is it the inappropriate dosage or non-existent strengths that they prescribe or the mixing up of brand and generic names? Or prescribing two agents in the same pharmacological class without any rationale?

Abeg no open their nyash for public

frankpro27:


I tell u. They knw nothing. If only pharmacists will start documenting their medication errors, all these problems wud be put to rest.

my brother, don't say it all. the nurses even teach them how to perform some procedures. I saw it first hand.

eleojo23:


Yup...
We are still very backward...

Can't you see the kind of thing we are still fighting over in this century?

More than backward.
It is so bad that for a graduate Nurse. the entry point is even lower than pharmacist and medical lab scientist.
It Is even worst that in most private health facility,.what they offer A Nursing graduate is 20k.

Chai you lack basic knowledge ooo. Ignorance is a diseaseoooo Please type the"meaning of consultant in google" and thank for your ignorance laterr

bornolowu:
there are many consultants my dear even politics, music, environment. Just like the word doctor is used freely, if you go to the university, you will hear lecturers bearing the name doctor in all fields.they are borrowed words.

portable4real:


I wonder if most of them even knows what a nurses job specification is. who told them a Nurse cannot work independently. well I don't blame them sha when majority of their people employ quacks and auxiliary for service how won't they be yarning rubbish..

pls u self retaliate by employing auxiliary doctor if ur opportune to have a hospital..

lol..

am a medic and the only people I ll love to employ in my hospital are the med lab or rather microbiologist.. other sector na trained ordinary sales boy who can dispense drug in place of a pharmacist, a trained lady as nurse,

employ professional nurse and pharmacist say wetin wen I can actually train cheap ones myself.. hian ,


Just thesame thing my brother do in his hospital.

Thanks for your concern, luckily and unluckily one the colleague revealed the error while blaming his colleague without knowing I am the son. They were lucky that I did not record it, hence I took no legal action as advised by our family lawyer.

MrEgghead:
Sorry for the loss. But you could have easily sued the defaulting Doctor who had committed that grievous error which lead to his death. Autopy though comes with much financial responsibilities but It would have helped you to fight your just course.
In as much as you've chosen to let it go, harbouring hatred and contempt for the future against life savers not necessarily the "defiant" seems childish and ridiculous to me.
No man is infallible; I'm in no way justifying his actions or inactions but you might have made the same mistake if you were in his shoes.
Doctors only treats and hope for the best, meanwhile, it's only God and maybe fate that determines who survive or not.

Amarabae:

My happiness is that the heat is on them now and johesu are not backing off.
When I gave birth to my baby abroad, you need to see a professional chemistry that exist between doctors there and health workers.
Everybody is happy,
Drs there don't try to stop other profession from advancing in their career despite though their salaries are different but there is equity and not equality.
But in Nigeria, there is no equity.
I am done!
I always laugh at their "jamb stopped you from reading medicine " bla bla bla.
Am sure Florence nightingale was stopped by jamb and she is jealous of doctors.
That means that the late brainy prof akunyili who was a pharm was also stopped by jamb.
So empty are the ego filled local champions in NMA.
.

Johesu war lord is hear again reminding us on how she wanna leave Nigeria after her baby clock 1�.. lol
plz go, plenty nurse are waiting to replace u sharp sharp .. nobody is gonna cry foul unlike the doctor to patient statistics as how doctors are leaving the country.

wen u go please let us know, so we can replace u biko, no stress

danilmo:


pls u self retaliate by employing auxiliary doctor if ur opportune to have a hospital..

lol..

am a medic and the only people I ll love to employ in my hospital are the med lab or rather microbiologist.. other sector na trained ordinary sales boy who can dispense drug in place of a pharmacist, a trained lady as nurse,

employ professional nurse and pharmacist say wetin wen I can actually train cheap ones myself.. hian,


Just thesame thing my brother do in his hospital.

You can only do that because of regulatory lapses and pharmacist are still few and most are not so interested in hospital practice.
But that will soon change with more regulatory strictness and more pharmacists in the system.

hydeka:

You can only do that because of regulatory lapses and pharmacist are still few and most are not so interested in hospital practice.
But that will soon change with more regulatory strictness and more pharmacists in the system.

in the next century u mean. lol

hydeka:


So you've never heard of OTC medications?
You've not seen people walk into a pharmacy to make a complaint to the pharmacist? A good number of people who visit hospitals went to the Pharmacy first.

gbam

MrBigiman:


It's already that way dude. Moreover a nurse cannot be specialist in Oncology, she makes no single decision the specialist does. Even if she has spent 20years, a Senior registrar who has spent 3 yrs in oncology should earn more. A Doctor trumps every other person in the hospital, the hospital was built for him and patients troop in to see him. All other thrashy workers should do his bidding or resign. If they want to be doctors they should have passed Jamb. 90% of Lab scientist filled in Medicine at one time or the other for God sake, so also 98% of male BSC Nurses, the non graduate nurses went to nursing school because they were too dumb to pass Jamb, today they want to be on the same salary scale as Doctor. Pure stupidity!

"All other trashy workers"

The nma are wicked evil and selfish set of people that have no value for life because most of them have their private hospital they don't want the health system to work in Nigeria and without these health workers the doctors can not do anything they useless without them our law has to be review Nigerians people's are dying and NMA said government should not answer these God will require the blood of innocent people from you all

MrBigiman:


It's already that way dude. Moreover a nurse cannot be specialist in Oncology, she makes no single decision the specialist does. Even if she has spent 20years, a Senior registrar who has spent 3 yrs in oncology should earn more. A Doctor trumps every other person in the hospital, the hospital was built for him and patients troop in to see him. All other thrashy workers should do his bidding or resign. If they want to be doctors they should have passed Jamb. 90% of Lab scientist filled in Medicine at one time or the other for God sake, so also 98% of male BSC Nurses, the non graduate nurses went to nursing school because they were too dumb to pass Jamb, today they want to be on the same salary scale as Doctor. Pure stupidity!

I thought it is called the health system, so everyone has a role to play. The ego trip of some doctors like you are not helping matters.

Everyone has his own calling, yours does not give u the right to rough shoulder other professionals in the system

danilmo:


Johesu war lord is hear again reminding us on how she wanna leave Nigeria after her baby clock 1�.. lol
plz go, plenty nurse are waiting to replace u sharp sharp .. nobody is gonna cry foul unlike the doctor to patient statistics as how doctors are leaving the country.

wen u go please let us know, so we can replace u biko, no stress

The same way plenty doctors are replacing the ones going abroad.
So whats ur point, dear

hydeka:


The things I see eh...
We cover up for them but they don't realise it.
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Is it the inappropriate dosage or non-existent strengths that they prescribe or the mixing up of brand and generic names? Or prescribing two agents in the same pharmacological class without any rationale?

Abeg no open their nyash for public

Funny enough, those doctors know more of the indications of drugs than u do... A doctor prescribes a drug for it side effect for the therapeutic benefit of the patient u claim it's a wrong prescription. Who then do we say know much about drug the doctor that knows the clinical aspect of the patient & what he/she should benefit from or the pharmacist that do not know the pathological basis of the prescription hence rushed into saying, it's a wrong prescription

Amarabae:

The same way plenty doctors are replacing the ones going abroad.
So whats ur point, dear

the same way teaching hospital are louding it how the are loosing their consultant bah, how many wey u Don see for nurse. show me patient to nurse statistic . wen overnurse self dey worry Nigeria... we need to shield some of them off work self..

u know how many graduate nurse Nigeria produce in a year ni..

bornolowu:
lolz.... heart surgeries are done in Nigerian my dear, (also neurosurgery) a pivate hospital in abuja, lagos . However, the fact that they are not done doesn't mean that they will done by non doctors and that is a very unbrilliant analogy . Your second analogy is more intelligent but as you have said, I refer to senior colleagues, they are colleagues, you are not colleague my dear.. ophthalmologist will never refer any case to you and I hope you know what that means.. I don't have a problem with others beaing Word consultant sha because it's in some parts of the world however not those other demands fo chist sake.... salaries should also be increased for everyone and that's very important considering Nigeria's present economic state and this tallies with what NMA wrote

d question was specifically to u. since u are a med, u shld b able to provide all d services a pt dt comes to see u needs na. u re d alpha nd omega as u knw it all or didnt dey teach u evritin in your 6yrs med schooling? just to enlighten u a bit: an ophthalmologist wld refer to an optometrist. it's just plain ignorance i see in ur submission. i bet there re ophthalmology specialty in orthoptics, low vision, contact lenses or u dnt knw some pt need these specialized services provided by consultant optometrist in those areas nd dt sm pts visual functionality depends on dem? let ophthalmologist agree to a separate optometry dept in d hospital since we re nt colleagues. why do dey wat us wrk in same department if it's not an attempt to suppress the practice of optometry in nigeria. i dont knw wht dey feed u guys in med schl dt mks u see oda professionals as nt good enough in carrying out their services in which dey re trained nd backed by backed by law to perform. pls take tym to find out abt d training of other professionals, educate urself on wht dey re trained to do bfr u start disseminating wrong info to d public.

Drama, I don't know why Nigerians doctor's are so selfish, this guy's does the bulk of the job. While the doctors only sit and prescribed medication based on assumption

Freddonance:


Funny enough, those doctors know more of the indications of drugs than u do... A doctor prescribes a drug for it side effect for the therapeutic benefit of the patient u claim it's a wrong prescription. Who then do we say know much about drug the doctor that knows the clinical aspect of the patient & what he/she should benefit from or the pharmacist that do not know the pathological basis of the prescription hence rushed into saying, it's a wrong prescription

The issue here is not only about therapeutic indications. Didn't you see the other things I stated or you think those ones don't constitute wrong prescription?

shullamite:
At least its clear where the problem in the health sector is coming from now. The doctors don't want other staff to enjoy a little increament of salary even after government has increased their slararies more than Three times in in four years. This is just a case of wickedness and man's inhumanity to man. The doctors are not the employer of labour but they are telling government what to do. It's a case of eating alone and wanting other people to die of hunger even though there is excess food to serve everybody. Let the world see how wicked the doctors are in Nigeria.

Let me tell you the truth early this year the government of Canada increased doctors salary but the doctors refused the increament and told the government to use the money to pay other health workers and improve the facilities in the hospitals for patients to enjoy. But in Nigeria the case is opposite.

You want to place a Nurse/Porter on the same salary scale as a Doctor?

Have you ever heard a Constable/Private (Rank and File) earn the same salary as a Superintendent/Lieutenant (officer corps)

Or craftsmen/technicians earn more than degree holding engineers?

JOHESU's demand is simply absurd, and borne out of out greed and jealousy. It takes years and huge capital to become a Doctor, even far more than most professionals. And they are given far more responsibilities. Yet some folks from Nursing school want to earn same pay just because they learnt how to use injection. Nonsense.

bornolowu:
the fault with this is that a laboratory scientist cannot make a diagnosis (trust me there are serious conditions that require the expertise of a doctor to diagnose ) a lab scientist is not trained enough to make diagnosis ...same for a radiographer etc.. for example optometrist own stores everywhere where they claim to treat eye conditions, but unfortunately, they can only cut you glass for refractive errors . They direct the patient tto go meet the ophthalmologist . There is no need duplicating profession. As it is everwhere in the world, if you want to make diagnosis, lead a department o hospital, go to the university, study medicine and surgery as same goes everywhere in the world, nigeria will not be different.

you are just mixing up issues here perhaps just to suit your ego as a doctor,there is no were I wrote anything about diagnosis,diagnosis itself is a process even the doctors still needs laboratory inputs to certify their diagnosis!,I'm only saying let every professional in the health sector have the opportunity of practicing up their peak without the unnecessary domineering n hinderances from you doctors.

dokiOloye:
Hehehehe.
Nurse in d same union with cleaners etc.
All in a bid to fight doctors.

we Nurses love it like that.
Johesu is fighting fg, you malaria and typhoid specialists carry una busy body enter.
That cleaner you are seeing as nobody is somebody and deserves respect which you people are not taught about in the medical school.

stonemasonn:
a registered nurse of over 20 years experience who is a specialist in say oncology should earn much more than a fresh medical graduate.

Moreover before government sign any agreement with JOHESU, government should include licenses and examinations every two years for all JOHESU members. No exam no license, no license no job and no salary review.

20 year veteran Army Sargent still takes orders from a 2nd Lt. fresh from the Academy.

Having taken time to read virtually all the comments, I am prone to say that Nigerian medical Drs are not only wicked, they are also evil, egocentric, and barbaric.

Like many Nigerians have said it here, how does a pay rise for JOHESU affect medical Drs wellbeing if not that they are barbaric and evil.

Permit me to say that a junior registrar (first appointment after NYSC) in tertiary health care such as teaching hospitals earns a minimum of #400,000 per month. At the same time, a registered nurse with first appointment as Nursing officer 2 (NO 2) earns about #85,000. At the same time, a Chief Nursing Officer (CNO) with over twenty five years of cognate experience doesn't earns salary close to a medical Dr with first appointment as Junior registrar. Yet, the so called egocentric group of individuals are threatening federal government if it reviews the salary structure of JOHESU.

One of them here in an attempt to buttress their selfish agenda, likened JOHESU and NMA to ASUU and NASU. I wish I can tell him that his reasoning is shallow. First, disparity in take home amongst ASUU and NASU is infinitesimal. In some instances in Universities, a non-teaching staff earns relatively higher then a teaching staff. This will never be allowed by the so called evil group called medical Drs in Nigeria who can't do anything in hospitals without the presence of JOHESU members.

Why on earth will he b making reference to ASUU. If he's told what a professor takes home monthly, I am sure he will say "God forbid". Nigerian lecturers are not as greedy as medical Drs. The former are after humanity while the latter are after their self-centered pockets.

Before I am mistaken to be a member of JOHESU, I am not one and will never pray to work in a sector where some evil being see themselves as gods.