MrBigiman:


It's a shame. But Nigerian Medicine will surely enter a state of emergency, trust me. The new push at which Doctors are running out, the remaining doctors would be "Johesu Doctors" who would treat typhoid and malara from morning till night.

dokxavi:

I know this already.
We can now agree that pharmacists with fellowship with the required knowledge can be called "consultants". It does not weaken my practice,it strengthens it as I can seek superior advice from a colleague pharmacist,if necessary. I make recommendations based on that advice.

Please don't misunderstand medical doctors, they are,in the most, liberal and allow outside input.They just want that input to be superior and of utility. Doctors are already trained to seek second or third opinions for the good of the client and in the Hippocratic oath,it says seek knowledge. I know all doctors refer patients beyond their limits of knowledge (no man knows or has it all) to better qualified or equipped colleagues.That input must be advanced for the good of the patients, I am certain that's the position of the NMA.

In fact,that is one of the bedrocks of the medical doctors' field.

aribisala0:

You take things personal unnecessarily. WHat do you know about me? Talk like someone who actually went to university. Who am I competing with? If anyone is competing with another lt the market decide.All thiis noise is pointless. Some prostitutes earn more than doctors that is the market for you.

You keep parrotting "go to medcal school" on a faceless forum. How do you know who went and did not go. Do you know who went to medical school before even you were born?
Do all doctors share these supremacist ideas?

The reality is in places where doctors have been unmasked and neutered it has been led byy doctors

jaychubi:
Consultant gini

In hospital only a doctor should be a consultant doesn't make sense for other health care workers.

We go soon get consultant cleaner nonsense, NMA should stop this B4 it's too late

Consultant pharmacist cant take order from doctors ooo n with dt there will be choas in d hospital

zizirecords:


My question to you is this: how does the West African Pharmacy College issue its consultancy and specialist qualifications? I ask because a pharmacy colleague here in the NGO sector did a distant programme from the college, did an exam and was awarded fellowship shortly after. No training, no sessions, she never left her job here which is not even related to pharmacy. How does such a person now sit down with , say an ENT Surgeon and say I am a fellow specialist. I am not here to argue, I just want to learn. Thank you.

aribisala0:


Actually the word consultant should not apply to anyone collecting a salary . It is a misnomer.
Originally in the UK they used to be self employed but after 1948 were absorbed ito the NHS and retaiined the title but it is not correct

People on salaries strictly speaking are not consultants and you do not find that term among doctors commonly in the US it does not diminish them

dokxavi:
Agreeable but the medical field as a regulated profession is based on verifiable knowledge not just because of years in practice.This is not Nigerian,it's worldwide.

dokxavi:
See you that's not taking things personal.

I have to say you seem to have a deep seated hatred for medical doctors, no matter the view I expound. No,I was not born a doctor and I respect your view,even when I take exception and don't agree.You sound like you can not understand what I wrote up there.

I repeat, the medical doctors' field is well regulated, will continue to be,other health professionals,consultant or not, should urgently establish means of regulating their own respected professions.

If you don't feel respected, you can never feel respected. Not a doctors' problem.

dokxavi:

I know this already.
We can now agree that pharmacists with fellowship with the required knowledge can be called "consultants". It does not weaken my practice,it strengthens it as I can seek superior advice from a colleague pharmacist,if necessary. I make recommendations based on that advice.

Please don't misunderstand medical doctors, they are,in the most, liberal and allow outside input.They just want that input to be superior and of utility. Doctors are already trained to seek second or third opinions for the good of the client and in the Hippocratic oath,it says seek knowledge. I know all doctors refer patients beyond their limits of knowledge (no man knows or has it all) to better qualified or equipped colleagues.That input must be advanced for the good of the patients, I am certain that's the position of the NMA.

In fact,that is one of the bedrocks of the medical doctors' field.

dokxavi:

You hang on to the word "consultant" like it's your lifeblood.

To be in a regulated profession, you get a fellowship from a college that determines who is fit to practise.


That's where the medical doctors' field will keep advancing, all the consultants have fellowship in the specialties.You can never even practise independently as a medical doctor or specialist in the US if you have not gained a fellowship in a specialty.

PharmAlfred:


Thank you for your question. This is why we should talk less, ask more questions and learn more. First, your observation about your pharmacist colleague is not true. He must have done a whole a lot in a space of 5-7years to earn that fellowship.

There are different specialties in the college. Your pharmacist colleague could have done the administrative programme. Pharmacists who work in the hospital, will do the clinical programme. And within the clinical programme, there are sub -specialties. So you see, not every consultant pharmacist will work in the hospital. My friend, just be a bit more open minded, you will be dazed by the quality of work some pharmacists are doing in our hospitals.

Again, to become a consultant means to know more in a given field or specialty. It requires acquiring advanced skills and competence. So anybody can be a consultant.
The argument becomes flawed when physicians lay claim to the sole right of being called consultants.

You can ask any other questions or concerns that you may have.

dokxavi:

You hang on to the word "consultant" like it's your lifeblood.

To be in a regulated profession, you get a fellowship from a college that determines who is fit to practise.


That's where the medical doctors' field will keep advancing, all the consultants have fellowship in the specialties.You can never even practise independently as a medical doctor or specialist in the US if you have not gained a fellowship in a specialty.

Eldorado14:


docxavi...let me educate you.
pharmacists have a postgraduate programme..WEST AFRICA POSTGRADUATE COLLEGE OF PHARMACIST...the programme is for a minimum of five years. When one is through with the programme,one is awarded a fellow in his chosen field of specialty. Stop being ignorant!! I thought docs are wide readers but urs is a pathetic one.

Eldorado14:


docxavi...let me educate you.
pharmacists have a postgraduate programme..WEST AFRICA POSTGRADUATE COLLEGE OF PHARMACIST...the programme is for a minimum of five years. When one is through with the programme,one is awarded a fellow in his chosen field of specialty. Stop being ignorant!! I thought docs are wide readers but urs is a pathetic one.

aribisala0:


Getting a qualification is not what being regulated means.


Regulation of doctors in Nigeria is not the fucnton of colleges but the MDCN. You do not understand what regulation is because you have not experienced it.

Regulation involves CPD, It involves appraisal and it involves 360 degree feedback from these other professionals that Nigeria doctors so much like to put down
Fitness to practise is not about "qualifications". It is about updating knowledge, rsponsible and ethical behaviour and capacity for team working that is MEASURED annually ,recorded and appraised


You have an obvious psychological need to put people down so you can feel better.

transparent and pathetic.

Do not make assumptions.

The only person you know here is yourself

dokxavi:

I believe this is the NMA position as well - rigorous training in a postgraduate college, you can then be called whatever by whoever.

That's the only way or else,you become a laughingstock as an intern medical doctor ridicules your abysmal,archaic knowledge of prescription.Don't seat at Pharm.D or D.Pharm,no advancement in knowledge and then a baby doctor mocks your dullness.

aribisala0:

Even if there is no postgraduate qualification it does not matter one jot as long as one has risen to the top of his profession whether it be security IT Estate Management etc within the organizationn then such a person is eligible to be considered as CEO in that orgnization. The idea that one profession is superior to othere is outdated.What we have are areas of competence. Pharmacists or drivers want to be called consultants that is no business of doctors

omojeesu:
YOU ARE CORRECT

WHERE PRACTITIONERS ARE SANE AND ARE WORKING TOGETHER AS A TEAM FOR THE GOOD OF THE PATIENT.

dokxavi:

You're only know yourself too.

Accusing me of making assumptions is putting people down.

If you read what I wrote there,you won't have come up with this but people don't read in Nigeria and turn around to scream " doctor".
Oga,the doctor is not your problem. Read and improve your knowledge,the regulations of your profession,then your self esteem will shine through.

There are levels of regulations. The licences to practice are issued by MDCN after gaining fellowships from postgraduate schools.I agree more needs to be done by MDCN in terms of CPD,just as other health professionals need to even begin regulating their professions now.

aribisala0:

This is nonsense.

Doctors have no say in what others must do to be called what they like.Absolutely no say whatsoever.

"Abysmal archic knowledge" Where does that come from Must you put others down?

Are we talking about West African and National PG that the examination papers are routinely leaked?

doctors should leave pharmacists and others alone and mind their business. They have no say in how consultancy titles are given.
In the UK that are procedue and portfolio based routes to specialism for doctors who cannot pass postgraduate exams. That is not the business of pharmacists either.


Let everyone mind their business

aribisala0:

I am not accusing you , You are making assumptions about me even here again

You said I should go to medical school.That is an assumption,

Stop talking about me and focus on the issue which is that pharmacists or any other group can call themsellves consultants and it is nothing to do wth doctors. The term CONSULTANT is not a registered trade mark of doctors.

There is nothing being done about CPD . NOTHING and without that there is no regulation. Regulation is about quality control that means CPD which is not monitored

dokxavi:


Good.You're putting yourself down because you can not stand a person you believe is a medical doctor, who you hate so much,talk.

I expect there will be those routes to specialization here too in pharmacy as they are already in medicine.As I said before, if you had bothered to read my opinion above, the medical field in Nigeria will get better with specialization in the subfields apart from medicine.I also affirmed that we must do that the right way.

aribisala0:

I am not accusing you , You are making assumptions about me even here again

You said I should go to medical school.That is an assumption,

Stop talking about me and focus on the issue which is that pharmacists or any other group can call themsellves consultants and it is nothing to do wth doctors. The term CONSULTANT is not a registered trade mark of doctors.

There is nothing being done about CPD . NOTHING and without that there is no regulation. Regulation is about quality control that means CPD which is not monitored

Does MBBS give a doctor the authority to perform surgery under anaesthesia without specialist oversight?

Yes or No?

aribisala0:


This is emotional nonsense.
You claim to be a doctor but it is irrelevant.
Can you discuss the issue here which is that pharmacists will be called consultants and it is not for doctors to interfere.

Whether I sell rat poison or agbo Jedi is not relevant

focus on issue and try to subdue your ego

dokxavi:

I will not issue a response to you because you don't know that the medical field should be different from just building a house or securing a website which is ridiculous.

Human medicine or pharmacy have higher standards of practice in regulations,not every medical doctor or pharmacists or nurse or driver can be called by whatever fancy or fantasy title in Nigeria or worldwide.There will be regulations.

dokxavi:

You're smart by half.

That issue is dead and buried, verdict is out.

Use your scroll up button.

aribisala0:
You are communicating to yourself alone

aribisala0:

do they have higher standards than veterinary medicine or pharmacy?

Please do not make me laugh.
EVERY profession is different from others just like the elements on the Periodic Table.
If there are regulatiions about titles Profession A will decide for itself without input from busybodies. So what has this got to do with doctors?

There are no standards in Nigeria, No regulation, No CPD , No appraisal , No audit of individual practice, No peer review, No patient feedback mechanism.

dokxavi:


Yes with all sense of responsibility.

The MBBS in Nigeria licenses a qualified medical doctor to perform whatever surgery without supervision.

Before you commence role of not understanding, notice that MBBS is acronym for Bachelor's in Medicine and Surgery. I hope you see there's Surgery.
Of course,I repeat, medical doctors in Nigeria who are respected, admired and envied,know their limits and can ask for supervision in complicated cases,if necessary or even refer to a specialist. This is Nigeria and it is legal and backed by law.

dokxavi:

I'm afraid if you're a pharmacist, try not be a consultant, you'll be disgraced by a first year medical student as you can't read and comprehend.

You, my friend, are evidence of the no standards in Nigeria,no appraisal, no comprehension,limited education but know-it-all.

aribisala0:


In your world beng important depends on putting other down.

This is not about me.

Let those who want to be consultants be it is not your problem or business

dokxavi:

I'm afraid if you're a pharmacist, try not be a consultant, you'll be disgraced by a first year medical student as you can't read and comprehend.

You, my friend, are evidence of the no standards in Nigeria,no appraisal, no comprehension,limited education but know-it-all.

Patient information: (posted on the wall of hospital pharmacy) - PLEASE GET THE DOCTORS' PRESCRIPTION.

It is never going to change.Doctors' prescription.