RealAdewole:


even when you have arthritis or pregnant?

and hope you know that the woman in question is pregnant
a church setting should be built and centred around love

stop arguing blindly, the OP has no form of deformity

RealAdewole:


even when you have arthritis or pregnant?

and hope you know that the woman in question is pregnant
a church setting should be built and centred around love

That is the problem you find when someone unqualified to even arrange chairs at family prayer meetings wakes up one day and brands himself pastor without ordination. You can never find me in any church where the pastor feels he can not be corrected and that he is chosen but others can't be and never will, even when it's clear he was not called or ordained.

Now know this, any church or gathering where the minister thinks he has grown too big to listen to his followers, any church or gathering where the people perpetually remain sheep and are not in anyway encouraged to grow beyond sheep to become one who can inspire others, is not of God. Even Jesus allowed His disciples to preach when he was sure they were ready. A gathering that does not prepare you spiritually to enlighten others is not a church.

When members do not attend church on sundays because of God and the Word of God but because of fear of being flogged by the pastor, you have lost the faith of your followership, people should be led to come to church because they understand the love God has for them and they want to truly worship God not because Pastor David will embarass you in front of the congregation or Sister Bola will gossip about it to your co-workers.

I never stopped attending my denomination (Catholic), and that is the only place I have never been judged but encouraged. Most of these new one man churches are dangerous to your faith, and this is because they are mostly formed for economic gain and to increase followership, not entirely to grow you spiritually. When members attend your church because all their friends are there, their livelihood depends on their connections with the churchgoers, and leaving would cause a socially awkward situation for them, it is no longer a church but a cult.

A hospital is a place where the sick go to get healthy, and the healthy go to help the sick,
A church should be a place where........ complete it yourself.

When churches now fill their sits using punishment, embarrasment, bullying and victimization techniques instead of showing them the truth of God's love, we have a real problem.

May God help us serve Him in spirit and in truth.

UPDATE ON THE EXPECTED JUDGEMENT.


SO IT RAINED YESTERDAY AND SO MANY PEOLE BOYCOTTED THE REHEARSALS, I DIDN'T GO AS WELL COS I KNEW IT WOULD BE POSTPONED TILL NEXT WEEK..SO ILL FILL THE HOUSE ON WHAT GOES DOWN NEXT WEEK...


WAITING PATIENTLY.....

RandyX:


If only you or your husband knew the origin of the Church of England (aka Anglican). The Nigerian branch has broken off cos their head church in England has accepted Gays. The founder of the Anglican Church, King Henry VIII, broke out from Catholic because they didn't allow him divorce his wife who couldn't bear him a son, to marry another. He eventually married 5 more wives, bringing the total to 6 wives and beheaded two including the one he married after divorcing the first. I am not against any church as long as you believe in God, but some things about your history should be clear so you understand why some issues are existing in the first place.

As for inviting mushroom ministers, that's how they invited one black American pastor from another denomination to the Royal wedding that almost turned the celebration upside down talking about Martin Luther King and Black Slavery at a wedding for that matter.

I only know one church and that is the Catholic Church. Never will any mushroom unordained minister be allowed to speak from the pulpit. If such a behaviour from the church members come up, you can always join another parish and you don't miss any thing. As for your disposition towards Christianity in general, I think it's important you speak to your husband about your concerns. If he is a loving and caring husband, God says love your wife like Christ loves the Church. He would talk to you and encourage you to become a better christian instead of joining them to judge you.

Tomorrow if you are called upon by the choir and you are told they don't want you to be a chorister anymore, do not argue with them. Go quietly to see the head pastor of the church, and have a meeting with him. Tell him the truth about what happened that day and that you prefer to pray in a quiet manner in reverence to God and that style of shaking head and turning like a possessed lion isn't respectful in your opinion. Allow him share his views, then encourage him that not everyone is an extrovert and that God created extroverts and introverts and you believe God accepts both. Tell him this style the guest minister brought didn't appeal to your faith and conscience and that's why you didn't follow.

Get a grip brother. I don't think you're a Christian

You for sit with non ministers as you dey pregnant. Madam, it's not by force to go to Church. Kindly practice your religion make we hear word

RealAdewole:


even when you have arthritis or pregnant?

and hope you know that the woman in question is pregnant
a church setting should be built and centred around love

Oga see ehn, the lady in question sat down because she felt they were praying the wrong way.
Remember the man asked if she was pregnant or having cold?? why didn't she reply or tell anyone (not even her pastor who came to her)
She felt they were praying the wrong way and she didn't believe so there was no need to stand up..
Even in the catholic church, there are times the rev. father will ask the members to stands and if for any reason you can't stand you simple say it when asked not snub everyone...
It time people stopped bring behaviours that aren't accepted outside to the church because it's a church.

Holymann:

Oga see ehn, the lady in question sat down because she felt they were praying the wrong way.
Remember the man asked if she was pregnant or having cold?? why didn't she reply or tell anyone (not even her pastor who came to her)
She felt they were praying the wrong way and she didn't believe so there was no need to stand up..
Even in the catholic church, there are times the rev. father will ask the members to stands and if for any reason you can't stand you simple say it when asked not snub everyone...
It time people stopped bring behaviours that aren't accepted outside to the church because it's a church.

..... Don't mind her my bro.From her right up,you will notice she doesn't even have regard for her husband talk more of the church. If she was in a function organized by military men,will she not obey all the instructions given? I still find it difficult to understand why most people take God for granted but will remove their slippers once an iffa priest or native Dr ask them to.If she has respect for her husband,she should ve given her reasons to her pastor when asked and not keeping mute.

RandyX, did you read the post at all Cos your story isn't even similar to the situation at hand.
Even in the catholic church, there are times when the priest will ask the members to stand up right?? if any member doesn't stand and the priest asks him/her why they aren't standing, aren't the suppose to tell him?? i'm sure the are. In her case, she kept mute when asked if she was pregnant or not well(because she felt he was praying the wrong way by standing up) and even when her own pastor came to ask her to stand up, she snubbed him. THIS IS A CLEAR CASE OF PRIDE
Moreover, she was proud to say she rebelled and refuse to stand (this is someone who only attended the church to please her husband)
It's high time we stopped taking God for granted by bringing in behaviours that aren't acceptable outside (workplace or government event) into the church.
If she had done as little as telling the preacher, her pastor or any other person that she wasn't well, no one would have been angry with her.

UnknownQueen:


I wouldn't have been noticed, I don't like to be noticed in church but given that I am or was a member of the choir, everyone noticed.

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Just Because You Sat Down!
I Wonder What That Pastor Will Do If He meets me

walex2:
The guest minister was right, you are not suppose to be a minister because you are not yet born again
you went to church just only to please your hubby
you joined the choir because you felt you have a good voice.

be sober and ammend your ways

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My Friend Be Quiet There!


Those Who Were Standing Are Bornagain Right?

UnknownQueen:


This is what I love to do but my hubby I'm scared of his decisions afterwards.....

Please come to my aid...I'm a hot soup...

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Why Are You Bothered? They Dont Pay You. Its A Church, so Expect Worse...

UnknownQueen:
Hi everyone, Goodafternoon .......
I hope someone gives me a listening ear here...
I'm a lady of diverse views and beliefs about religion, let's just say I'm a Christian because I'm married to a Christian, I have a child and I'm expectant of the next...I follow my hubby to church just to make him happy...I'm a member of the choir because I've got a great voice and I love to sing.....
Something happened recently to me....
I went for a vigil and the preacher (invited guest), started prayers, even as a regular Christian, I ain't a fan of shaking body and head vigorously when praying, so the preacher insisted EVERYONE stands, but I rebelled and refused to do as he says, and because he noticed that I was a member of the choir, he said right from the altar that I ain't supposed to be a minister, immediately my heart sank, the following day, The issues generated lots of controversies in the church, and the group has decided to punish me, I don't know what the punishment will be, but I guess it will either be an indefinite suspension or I'm being asked to apologize to the whole church....
Normally, if I weren't married, I would leave the church with immediate effect, as I do not think I should be forced to pray in a way and manner I do not believe in...
But I'm married, my husband would not have himself and the kid go to another church, while I stay at home...Or have us go to separate churches...
I'm also thinking of what effect this would have on my kid and my home (marriage) in general

Wow! Madam , how did you get yourself into this kind of marriage. I guess its love its usually women who allow pastors run their home from the pulpit. In this case it seems your husband is allowing another man run his home through Jesus Christ our Lord Amen.

You not attending a church but a cult. A reverend King sort of cult camouflaged as a church. Na wetin u do? So Just because u no shake body and stamp ur feet during praying session so dem wan come punish u. I think its best u and ur husband leave dat church/cult. Convince ur husband. Don't allow yourself to be maltreated.

UnknownQueen:


I sat all through the vigil cos I had no strength to pray and shake my head like every other person was doing, at some point in the vigil I was having stomach cramps, and I was just managing hoping the vigil will come to an end fast, so when he asked everyone to stand and face another direction, i turned but was sitted and then he said ( who is that one sitted dere, can't u hear that I said stand, so I reluctantly stood and bent my head towards the chair arm, and then he started with, is she pregnant, or ure having cold, this one is not supposed to be among the choir, amongst other things he said, at that point I was angry and I didn't bulge, my pastor came to me and started hitting me at the back I still didn't say anything until the vigil ended...The following day the choir coordinator called me and I apologized, only for me to come for rehearsals the day after and she said she spoke with the members but they said they're dissatisfied with my apologies ...So she said every one will meet tomorrow and all decide what the outcome of my punishment will be, so I'm thinking two things, it's either an indefinite suspension or apologies to the whole big church.....

I've been thinking of doing a recap of what happened right before and just tell everyone of them to remove the beam in their own eyes before removing the moth in mine, but after due consultation from some people they said I should just apologize for the sake of my family (husband, kid and expectant child).

Yes I do not like the church, but overtime I've been able to adjust to their settings because of my family....I attended the church due to marriage..

My husband is very understanding and also a very committed member of the church, it will almost be impossible for him to leave the church cos of my plights and problems....I'm sure he will not also have me attend a different church while he attends his...and I'm sure if this happens , it will take a huge toll on our children...

Sincerely I'm in a big dilemma, I actually do know myself, if I'm forced to apologize in front of the church I'll make things worse....I'll be pushed to say unwarranted things no matter how had I try....

traits of a cult like church where u have an egocentric religious leader. Talk to to ur husband and convince him u guys should break away from that church.

RandyX:


If only you or your husband knew the origin of the Church of England (aka Anglican). The Nigerian branch has broken off cos their head church in England has accepted Gays. The founder of the Anglican Church, King Henry VIII, broke out from Catholic because they didn't allow him divorce his wife who couldn't bear him a son, to marry another. He eventually married 5 more wives, bringing the total to 6 wives and beheaded two including the one he married after divorcing the first. I am not against any church as long as you believe in God, but some things about your history should be clear so you understand why some issues are existing in the first place.

As for inviting mushroom ministers, that's how they invited one black American pastor from another denomination to the Royal wedding that almost turned the celebration upside down talking about Martin Luther King and Black Slavery at a wedding for that matter.

I only know one church and that is the Catholic Church. Never will any mushroom unordained minister be allowed to speak from the pulpit. If such a behaviour from the church members come up, you can always join another parish and you don't miss any thing. As for your disposition towards Christianity in general, I think it's important you speak to your husband about your concerns. If he is a loving and caring husband, God says love your wife like Christ loves the Church. He would talk to you and encourage you to become a better christian instead of joining them to judge you.

Tomorrow if you are called upon by the choir and you are told they don't want you to be a chorister anymore, do not argue with them. Go quietly to see the head pastor of the church, and have a meeting with him. Tell him the truth about what happened that day and that you prefer to pray in a quiet manner in reverence to God and that style of shaking head and turning like a possessed lion isn't respectful in your opinion. Allow him share his views, then encourage him that not everyone is an extrovert and that God created extroverts and introverts and you believe God accepts both. Tell him this style the guest minister brought didn't appeal to your faith and conscience and that's why you didn't follow.

if she goes to see the pastor privately and tell him she doesn't adhere to their style of praying don't be surprised if he uses her as a subject of discussion in his next Sunday preaching.

lefulefu:
traits of a cult like church where u have an egocentric religious leader. Talk to to ur husband and convince him u guys should break away from that church.

B4 you conclude issues like this, try and read everything the Op wrote.
I'm sure she wrote somewhere that the man in question was from another denomination and was only came for that virgil.

Netanyahu1:
Wow! Madam , how did you get yourself into this kind of marriage. I guess its love its usually women who allow pastors run their home from the pulpit. In this case it seems your husband is allowing another man run his home through Jesus Christ our Lord Amen.

If you had carefully read everything the op wrote on this thread, you'd have realized that
1. her husband wasn't in church
2. she hasn't told her husband what happened.

lefulefu:
if she goes to see the pastor privately and tell him she doesn't adhere to their style of praying don't be surprised if he uses her as a subject of discussion in his next Sunday preaching.

Is it that you'll didn't see the part where she said the man in question was from another church

balaclava:
This setting called church denomination is silently becoming a CULT

Members no longer have free will.

Even God gave us free will. Nothing is by force with God.

Church denomination is gradually becoming a problem rather than a blessing.

That was how one G.O said if u don't pay tithe you won't make heaven. Full stop!

from the way she described the church it sounds like a cult.A denomination that you don't have freedom and where the pastor is looked on as a small god. Like the Reverend king type of cult and the David koresh type of cult in Waco,texas.

Holymann:

Is it that you'll didn't see the part where she said the man in question was from another church

for the choir to make the decision to punish the op because of the displeasure of the invited pastor shows the pastor has a sort of influence in the church. I didn't read any part it was said he was from another denomination. If his action could spur the choir to make d decision to punish d op then it could be the invited pastor could be their G.O or a senior member. Either way op should talk to her husband about her discomfort in the church and attend a church that connects to her heart. A pastor or any religious leader has no right striking a member. Is he the one feeding her?

balaclava:
This setting called church denomination is silently becoming a CULT

Members no longer have free will.

Even God gave us free will. Nothing is by force with God.

Church denomination is gradually becoming a problem rather than a blessing.

That was how one G.O said if u don't pay tithe you won't make heaven. Full stop!

I will get crucified for saying this, but majority of these so called churches are cults masked as places of worship.

Places where they worship their pastors instead of worshipping God.

Brainwashed church members

#ENDTIMECHURCHES

#ENDTIMEPASTORS

Holymann:
RandyX, did you read the post at all Cos your story isn't even similar to the situation at hand.
Even in the catholic church, there are times when the priest will ask the members to stand up right?? if any member doesn't stand and the priest asks him/her why they aren't standing, aren't the suppose to tell him?? i'm sure the are. In her case, she kept mute when asked if she was pregnant or not well(because she felt he was praying the wrong way by standing up) and even when her own pastor came to ask her to stand up, she snubbed him. THIS IS A CLEAR CASE OF PRIDE
Moreover, she was proud to say she rebelled and refuse to stand (this is someone who only attended the church to please her husband)
It's high time we stopped taking God for granted by bringing in behaviours that aren't acceptable outside (workplace or government event) into the church.
If she had done as little as telling the preacher, her pastor or any other person that she wasn't well, no one would have been angry with her.

Brother I will let you know, Even in the Catholic Church when people stand they don't force anyone to stand, the priest doesn't go hitting or flogging you on the back. There are church wardens to handle the situation in a way that it doesnt bring about embarrassment in the house of God. During ceremonies where people are required to stand for extended periods of time, the officiating priest usually says those that are ill, weak or old can remain sitted. They don't judge you and make a spectacle of you from the pulpit.

I understand there are traditions in different churches where people may be required to stand. But in this case, the pastor was just in the heat of the moment and wanted everyone to start shaking and stamping their feet on the ground. For someone that is weak, that is an almost impossible task to do. He should have silently asked the aides to get her to leave if he didn't find her in good enough state to participate without making a spectacle of her in public. He should have reprimanded her in private or tried to understand what problems she had with her faith not judging and making mockery of a soul you should be trying to bring closer to God in front of the entire congregation. Even if her faith is still at the initial stages, How is she supposed to feel comfortable to come to church next time to grow that faith? When everyone there are wearing judge wigs with a hammer ready to pass sentence on her every move?

His manner of approach was already set to place her in a defensive mood in the first place. How can he say, look at this one is she pregnant or what? Is that how to address someone who came to pray? He was already biased and judged her as not suitable for ministry before getting her own part of the story. Trust me I know how mushroom pastors behave, it won't be the first time.

There is a reason random people do not just wake up in the morning and turn leader of a flock without having served first. It takes a lot of spiritual maturity to lead people of God, or you risk putting the spiritual lives of your flock in danger.

This my comment

lefulefu:
if she goes to see the pastor privately and tell him she doesn't adhere to their style of praying don't be surprised if he uses her as a subject of discussion in his next Sunday preaching.

She doesn't adhere to the guest preacher's (C.A.C. pastor) style of praying not the church pastors style. However, I am not happy they actually went physical on her. The Op said she is still trying to understand Christianity. They should spend more time enlightening her about God than resorting to abuse and punishment.

If the church pastor turns her statements into a sermon, he had better make it a constructive sermon meant to unite and not a way to ridicule her. This sort of behaviour among the pastor and members of her choir has nothing to do with the church of God but with a very bad Nigerian mentality.

They feel when they help you achieve something they own your life, if her husband was dangote, would they have the guts to hit her like that? But a faithful member of their church, look how they treat his wife, simply because they can claim they made her husband what he is today.

RandyX:


She doesn't adhere to the guest preacher's (C.A.C. pastor) style of praying not the church pastors style. However, I am not happy they actually went physical on her. The Op said she is still trying to understand Christianity. They should spend more time enlightening her about God than resorting to abuse and punishment.

If the church pastor turns her statements into a sermon, he had better make it a constructive sermon meant to unite and not a way to ridicule her. This sort of behaviour among the pastor and members of her choir has nothing to do with the church of God but with a very bad Nigerian mentality.

They feel when they help you achieve something they own your life, if her husband was dangote, would they have the guts to hit her like that? But a faithful member of their church, look how they treat his wife, simply because they can claim they made her husband what he is today.

If her husband was Dangote the pastor wouldn't dare touch her even if she misbehaved. Is it not our nigerian churches again that worship money and status. Na only poor man pickin dem fit oppress inside church but a rich man they will be bowing to him.

UnknownQueen:
Hi everyone, Goodafternoon .......
I hope someone gives me a listening ear here...
I'm a lady of diverse views and beliefs about religion, let's just say I'm a Christian because I'm married to a Christian, I have a child and I'm expectant of the next...I follow my hubby to church just to make him happy...I'm a member of the choir because I've got a great voice and I love to sing.....
Something happened recently to me....
I went for a vigil and the preacher (invited guest), started prayers, even as a regular Christian, I ain't a fan of shaking body and head vigorously when praying, so the preacher insisted EVERYONE stands, but I rebelled and refused to do as he says, and because he noticed that I was a member of the choir, he said right from the altar that I ain't supposed to be a minister, immediately my heart sank, the following day, The issues generated lots of controversies in the church, and the group has decided to punish me, I don't know what the punishment will be, but I guess it will either be an indefinite suspension or I'm being asked to apologize to the whole church....
Normally, if I weren't married, I would leave the church with immediate effect, as I do not think I should be forced to pray in a way and manner I do not believe in...
But I'm married, my husband would not have himself and the kid go to another church, while I stay at home...Or have us go to separate churches...
I'm also thinking of what effect this would have on my kid and my home (marriage) in general

All I can say is thank God for making me a man

lefulefu:
traits of a cult like church where u have an egocentric religious leader. Talk to to ur husband and convince him u guys should break away from that church.

If u check my responses well about those who asked same question, u"'ll see that my husband will rather choose the church over me, he has been committed to the church right from cradle and won't have me rebel against the church.....

UnknownQueen:
Hi everyone, Goodafternoon .......
I hope someone gives me a listening ear here...
I'm a lady of diverse views and beliefs about religion, let's just say I'm a Christian because I'm married to a Christian, I have a child and I'm expectant of the next...I follow my hubby to church just to make him happy...I'm a member of the choir because I've got a great voice and I love to sing.....
Something happened recently to me....
I went for a vigil and the preacher (invited guest), started prayers, even as a regular Christian, I ain't a fan of shaking body and head vigorously when praying, so the preacher insisted EVERYONE stands, but I rebelled and refused to do as he says, and because he noticed that I was a member of the choir, he said right from the altar that I ain't supposed to be a minister, immediately my heart sank, the following day, The issues generated lots of controversies in the church, and the group has decided to punish me, I don't know what the punishment will be, but I guess it will either be an indefinite suspension or I'm being asked to apologize to the whole church....
Normally, if I weren't married, I would leave the church with immediate effect, as I do not think I should be forced to pray in a way and manner I do not believe in...
But I'm married, my husband would not have himself and the kid go to another church, while I stay at home...Or have us go to separate churches...
I'm also thinking of what effect this would have on my kid and my home (marriage) in general

You are an adult, a mother and a wife... Yes you messed up by rebelling in such a childish manner, but regardless, do not let anyone humiliate you or treat you like a child.

Bidobado:


You are an adult, a mother and a wife... Yes you messed up by rebelling in such a childish manner, but regardless, do not let anyone humiliate you or treat you like a child.

How do I?
I need ur guidance...

Bidobado:


You are an adult, a mother and a wife... Yes you messed up by rebelling in such a childish manner, but regardless, do not let anyone humiliate you or treat you like a child.

. Nobody is humiliating her. Let her simply apologise for her childish and rebellious act. I doubt if she will behave the same way to a babalawo. People do any how in the house of God but scared to do it in a deity. If she was in the mosque,won't she have obeyed the imam. Let's stop covering the truth abeg. Simple apology she is here claiming right.

Which punishment do they want to give u, dey won cane u? No matter the punishment ..It can't kill u