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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 6:17pm On May 26, 2018
TheSuperNerd:
Lastly... Read up on what I mean by a league's impact factor. We even have that in medicine. wink

Is this not your own personal opinion? When did it become the general accepted theory?


And yeah... I misunderstood you a bit there on the stats you posted. My apologies. From those stats with Nacho's three assists now corrected to four as I said earlier pages ago we can see that Nach, Musa and Simy had it slightly better than Kayode. And when we bring in leagues involved... The impactth factor plays out. Nacho, Musa and Simy all did it in bigger and better leagues than the Ukrainian league.

Paul Ebere Onuachu outscored Nacho... Outscored Musa and even Simy. But we are not even talking about him. Perspective man. Have some perspective.
By the way, He plays in "Denmark" as you know.




As you have rightly said, doing it in a bigger and better league in the top leagues in Europe determine the impact factor of a player, right?

First of all, what is the impact factor of a player?

It is the impact a player exhibit in his team and in the league, right?

How do we estimate the impact of a player in these top leagues?

In most cases, the impact of a player is recognized and rewarded with an individual award, right?

Did Simy, Musa and Iheanacho win any recognized individual award in the EPL or Seria A that acknowledge their impact in the top leagues this season eg MOTM, TOTW, POTM etc? grin

Only Iheanacho won the TOTW. That's all. The rest nothing. Did they?

Of course, Ahmed Musa won 2 MOTM in the Russian league.

But Kayode who didn't only played in the Ukrainian league where he also won a MOTM and made Shakhtar Donetsk player of the month, won MOTM and POTM in the La Liga to show his impact at the best league in the world. grin

Based on your perspective, though Simy, Iheanacho and Musa outscored him this season but he did it in a bigger and better league.

At least, he has something to show for his impact in a bigger and better league like the La Liga which carries more weight than the POTM Iheanacho won in the EPL based on your perspective that 7-8 ratings are not the same in regards to the ranking of the Ukrainian league. As you rightly said, you fit get carry over because of 1 mark. grin Don't you think so?

Remember, a player may score many goals but another player will be recognized with an award to acknowledge and show that the player made more impact than the one that scored many goals.

Example Kante won the EPL player of the year ahead of Diego Costa. Ndidi won MOTM ahead of Mahrez in a match. Fact

Moreover, based on your perspective Paul Onuachu shouldn't be in the picture because there are many players in bigger and better leagues that outscored or equalled his goals tally this season, so why make him as a reference point if you are aware of that? grin

Ok let me clear myself. I don't have problem with Iheanacho, Musa and Simy making the list. Though, Simy came as a surprise to me but I am not against his inclusion. I am against the false informations, analyses etc given here in regards to Kayode which I will not swallow as you wouldn't for Iheanacho, and the inclusion of Lokosa(I have already moved on this . Simple.

Iheanacho and Musa(I can't remember) were among my sure bankers players to make the list 23 list even before Rohr released the 30 man list.

So, putting Iheanacho and Musa in the discussion is irrelevant.





And uhmmm.. Lol.. everyone on here... Okay... Let me say what I think I am certain of... "Almost" everyone on here knows the bolded is a big fat lie... I don't even have to speak for myself on that. Lol



I still remember our Martin's debate.

What did say to those brings players down? Why are you not fishing dem out? Or you don't see anything?

However, can you explain how one brings down a player let me see if you have not done that too? because I am not understanding.






And Fred and Taison picks were because they did it as major influential players in a top team like Shahktar and they also excelled in the UCL... The World's no.1 and biggest club competition.
Malcolm for instance is ligue 1 only but Fred and Taison were not just restricted to Ukraine. They played UCL football and excelled too against some of the best. They were picked for their impacts and major influences in Shahktar's successes this past season... Fine UCL campaign, league success and cup success. Kayode just came into Shahktar... He is not responsible for Shahktar's triumph. So his case is different compared to Fred's and Taison's.



Where was this perspective when some people here rated Onyekuru who was only restricted to Belgium pro league last season ahead of Kayode who was the best influencer in the Austrian league and also excelled in the world's no 2 and second club competition, with impacts against some of the best in the Europa League last season?

Why you no analysis am this way then? Why now?

If Kayode didn't make impacts for Shakhtar Donetsk in the triumph, how come he was recognize with MOTM and also made player of the month in the same month they won the Cup and the league?

Besides, Williams Jose also played in Europe too.





Even in the use of stats... You sometimes choose to be selective. You did this in a very wrong way in the Solanke-Nacho debate where I had to dig out their time stats and goals stats to show you that a point you made to rubbish Nacho was false. I am a stats god... And I always insist on full analyses and proper breakdown of stats. I don't do selective stats talk.


How many other apart from these two I admitted immediately I was corrected?

Abi, you wan claim you didn't make wrong stats here?

What about the one you claimed Martins played as a striker against Swaziland when stats and those who watched the match confirmed he played as an attacking midfielder?

What about the one you said Kayode didn't perform when given the chance?




But it is well... After all is said and done, yes, let us move on. And move on we shall.... wink




Abeg, I don't tire for this matter. EOD

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by asha80(m): 6:17pm On May 26, 2018
Icon4s:


23 is adequate. 10-30% of those 23 players(depending on how far the team goes) will not even kick a ball.

And FIFA has said that making it 40 teams would not increase the number of matches to be played.
on your second paragraph maybe fifa wants 5 teams in a single group
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:19pm On May 26, 2018
Icon4s:


So what number would you want fans of France, Spain, England, Brazil, and Germany to say?

They would probably want the number to be increased to 50. Loz...
it just dey pain me na.at least we for fit accommodate two more players. dont be surprised if one day it is increased. shebi it was in 1998 that they increased it to 32 teams. now there are looking at 48 abi wetin be the number again. it can happen oo
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 6:19pm On May 26, 2018
tbaba1234:


Moses will join the team in London
OK but report from camp

Iheanacho is in top shape with hat tricks today.

Ighalo with a goal and remain the deadliest

Simy making statement in camp had assist today and looking lively

Awaziem had a knock on his knee couldn't finished training

Eze doing well

Mikel remain himself

Lokosa and Simy starting against Congo

Joel Obi need to raise his game cos feelers from camp said his performance not good enough.

tbaba1234 since you refused to updates me I just need to get this,still waiting for your comprehensive report

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 6:20pm On May 26, 2018
Mikel Agu: My World Cup Dream And Why I Wont Go Back To Bursaspor
May 26, 2018 4:45 pm


Mikel Ndubuisi Agu’s robust style of play has not endeared him to some Nigerian fans but the FC Porto player who’s currently on loan at Turkish Super Lig side Bursaspor has defined his kind of game as he prepares for Nigeria’s sixth World Cup appearance at the team’s training camp in Uyo. In this exclusive interview with KAYODE OGUNDARE , Agu opens up on his World Cup expectations and harrowing experience in Turkey and vows not to go back to the Turkish club….


How did you receive the news of your inclusion in the 30-man World Cup list?

Actually it wasn’t a big surprise for me. Remember I was a part of this team during the qualifiers, I played a couple of games and so I expected to be called up but yet it was a very humbling moment for me to be included in the 30-man list. I didn’t take it for granted that I will be there. It could have gone either way so I think happy was the expression I felt rather than surprise.


You still have to cross the last hurdle to be in the final 23-man list. What must you do to make it to the World Cup?

For sure, I must work harder than I have ever worked. I must show the coach that he wasn’t mistaken for giving me this chance so whether in training or in our friendly games I must put on 200% whenever I’m given the chance to play. I have these remaining few days before the final list is out to work like an animal and do everything possible to make the team. It’s not going to be easy because we have a midfield loaded with quality players but I’m happy to be in this kind of situation because it will motivate me to want to push myself more and this can only make me better


Some fans of the Super Eagles do not fancy your kind of game, preferring a less robust style with dribbles and so on which you don’t do. What exactly is your style, if I may ask?

Thank you very much for that. What drives my game, principally is strict adherence to the coaches’ instruction. Once the coach gives me an instruction, I carry it out to the letter. Of course, the fans watching may not know what my instructions are so they may complain that Mikel Agu is not stylish like other players but that is what the coach asked me to do on the pitch. My game basically is to serve as the destroyer who breaks up the opposition play. I sense where danger may come from and step in to nip it in the bud before it becomes a crisis. I’m not loved by the opposition either because I do the dirty job of truncating their moves. In my club, I have the liberty to advance a little bit upfront and that’s why I score couple of goals and make assists as well but in the national team I have specific instructions which I try to keep to in order to help the team win.


How was last season for you in Bursaspor?

Yeah, last season for me in Bursaspor was interesting. The season started well for me with some great performances and a couple of goals but then we hit a rough
patch when things were not going our way. We lost some games, especially in the Cup competition. We lost to Gençlerbirliği 2-2 on aggregate. We lost 1-0 away and won 2-1 at home and I even scored our first goal but they went through on goals aggregate. That was where the problem started and the manager was finally sacked in April after we lost a few games. His sack affected me because he was one of the major reasons I went to Bursa on loan in the first place and he always gave me the support I needed to be a better player. The new coach came in with his own ideas and his preferred players so I didn’t get much playing time under him. This happened at a time the World Cup list was being compiled and I agonized on the fact that it may cost me a World Cup place if I don’t get to play but luckily I made the cut for the first list. So I have to pay coach Rorh back by giving my all to justify his confidence in me.


After the World Cup, what will be your targets for the next season?

For one, I’m still a player of FC Porto under contract until 2021 and it is up to them to decide what they want to do with me but I must return there for pre-season training first. If any good opportunity comes for me to be sold, I’m sure we’ll all sit down to talk about it and weigh my options. But seriously I don’t want to go out on loan from FC Porto at least for the next one season because I have already done three loan spells. I was at Club Brugge in Belgium where I won the league with them and then Vitoria Setubal in Portugal before going to Bursaspor. I don’t want another loan deal next season. The way clubs treat you as a loan player sometimes is different from the way they treat their own players. My experience this past season has made me conclude that I would rather go back to FC Porto and be second-choice in my position and fight for my place rather than go out on loan again. I would prefer an outright sale but preferably to a Portuguese team.

What if Bursaspor wants to make your deal permanent?

No! I will be honest with you I don’t want to stay there any longer. The way they treated me this past season was totally unacceptable and showed a lack of respect. I was one of their top performers and the stats are there to bear me witness. I gave all my best. I fought for the club and for me to be treated the way I was treated when things were not going well for the team, I cannot stay in the club again no matter how much they offer to pay me.

[CSN checks confirmed Agu is one of his team’s leaders in tackles, clearances, interceptions and blocks per game even though he played fewer games. However he also led in fouls per game ].


Now you have played in Portugal, Belgium and Turkey, which other league do you have in mind to play in. England?

I don’t have the required number of international games to make me eligible for a work permit in England but that’s one league I really want to play in. I believe Nigerians watch the Premier League than any other league and it would afford them the opportunity to see me in action more often if I played in England. Though I had some offers from some Championship teams in England last season but I couldn’t go because of this work permit consideration.

As a matter of fact, that is why I want to play in Portugal in the coming season. I need to play there for one more season so that I can be eligible for my European Union passport which will make it possible for me to then play anywhere else.


https://www.completesportsnigeria.com/mikel-agu-my-world-cup-dream-and-why-i-wont-go-back-to-bursaspor/
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by CaptainStephen(m): 6:22pm On May 26, 2018
Met Oduamadi at Unilag today, very fit and skillful guy.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:23pm On May 26, 2018
Icon4s:


You are asking for any goal Iwobi scored when played from the wings?

Like icon79 would say: "O Pari".
seriously baba icon. no be say i just want argue. just point am out to me cos i cant recall any. he has scored four goals so far and in my estimation all were scored from the middle even though in some of the matches he operated from the wings abi wingers no dey score from wings?
okay forget goals, what of assists from the wings?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:23pm On May 26, 2018
Mujtahida:


the facts on respect of the NFF sacking rohr is almost none existent as per now so the situations that prompted our debates are different. you mentioned tow players: Victor moses and Iwobi. why did i pick Iwobi and leave out Victor Moses? it is because in Vicmo's case one can be very sure. in Iwobi's case one has to speak with some measure pf circumspection.

Barring any injury or loss of form, i think Iwobi, right now will start ahead of Simon. Why? Iwobi has shown particularly in recent games that his quality is miles ahead of S.Moses.

A year ago, i would agree with you but Iwobi has lifted his game for Nigeria and is getting into the untouchable ranks.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:24pm On May 26, 2018
MetalJigsaw:
That's not true. The 30 man list had nothing to do with the standbys.
okay. joebie has corrected my earlier position.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:25pm On May 26, 2018
Mujtahida:

sir, this is precisely what you did in saying iwobi is a starter na. na im make me put mouth

They are two different scenarios.

Based on games played thus far Iwobi is first choice.That is a conclusion based on past activities.

But saying that Iwobi will be coming in for Mikel in the second half of every game when you don't even know how the dynamics of the game will go is way way off it bro.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by EmmGee: 6:25pm On May 26, 2018
asha80:
still not convinced about ndidi played as the defensive midfielder just in front of the defence line
for me, the idea won't be for him to sit. he should win the ball back and give it to either of them.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 6:25pm On May 26, 2018
Did anyone attend the liquor night yesterday? Bad bad girl just scatter everywhere I swear... that Don Simon drink sef almost dilute my blood naso I dey see tripple chai!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:26pm On May 26, 2018
Kog45:
OK but report from camp

Iheanacho is in top shape with hat tricks today.

Ighalo with a goal and remain the deadliest

Simy making statement in camp had assist today and looking lively

Awaziem had a knock on his knee couldn't finished training

Eze doing well

Mikel remain himself

Lokosa and Simy starting against Congo

Joel Obi need to raise his game cos feelers from camp said his performance not good enough.

tbaba1234 since you refused to updates me I just need to get this

Sorry bros, i already posted most of that information on this thread..

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 6:26pm On May 26, 2018
CaptainStephen:
Met Oduamadi at Unilag today, very fit and skillful guy.
Super skillful guy. What club is he playing for now?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:27pm On May 26, 2018
tbaba1234:


Barring any injury or loss of form, i think Iwobi, right now will start ahead of Simon. Why? Iwobi has shown particularly in recent games that his quality is miles ahead of S.Moses.

A year ago, i would agree with you but Iwobi has lifted his game for Nigeria and is getting into the untouchable ranks.

Some people just like dey argue
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 6:28pm On May 26, 2018
asha80:
still not convinced about ndidi played as the defensive midfielder just in front of the defence line
Mikel could do that. Ndidi will buzz around doing the dirty work while Iwobi does damage in the final 3rd
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 6:28pm On May 26, 2018
tbaba1234:


Sorry bros, i already posted most of that information on this thread..
Pls your comprehensive report is important,so am waiting
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:29pm On May 26, 2018
tbaba1234:


Barring any injury or loss of form, i think Iwobi, right now will start ahead of Simon. Why? Iwobi has shown particularly in recent games that his quality is miles ahead of S.Moses.

A year ago, i would agree with you but Iwobi has lifted his game for Nigeria and is getting into the untouchable ranks.
thank you. you think: i cant argue with that. i agree with you. going forward he might become a starter based on his performance but in the last two friendlies especially in the serbia game he was flat ooo not until he moved to the middle where he gave some good flashes(i call them flashes cos his overall game left alot to be desired).let us talk true oo
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 6:29pm On May 26, 2018
edi287:

Mikel could do that. Ndidi will buzz around doing the dirty work while Iwobi does damage in the final 3rd
Mikel as DM or what
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:29pm On May 26, 2018
Mujtahida:

seriously baba icon. no be say i just want argue. just point am out to me cos i cant recall any. he has scored four goals so far and in my estimation all were scored from the middle even though in some of the matches he operated from the wings abi wingers no dey score from wings?
okay forget goals, what of assists from the wings?

Mujtahida's moniker has been hacked into.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 6:29pm On May 26, 2018
MetalJigsaw:
Did anyone attend the liquor night yesterday? Bad bad girl just scatter everywhere I swear... that Don Simon drink sef almost dilute my blood naso I dey see tripple chai!
u don make am grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 6:29pm On May 26, 2018
tbaba1234:


The bolded is not true. They play different positions in Gent and are not in direct competition.

Simon Moses plays mainly on the left, Kalu plays mainly on the right.

And Simon Moses has been fit several times and started on the bench. The Gent coach likes to rotate his team.

Coach hardly rotate moses simon,when he was back injure he occupied the left and kalu occupied the right, And samuel kalu didnt start the last 3 games of the season that means he was rotated.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by asha80(m): 6:30pm On May 26, 2018
edi287:

Mikel could do that. Ndidi will buzz around doing the dirty work while Iwobi does damage in the final 3rd
Mikel as defensive midfielder in its present set up? please Mikel is playing his best football at that AM position now and he seems happy with it
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 6:31pm On May 26, 2018
Abeg who knows the time for the Nigeria VS Congo in porthhacourt?

I hope the match crew makes the stadium and pitch conducive for the eyes.. Make we no come dey see Yellow pitches..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:31pm On May 26, 2018
Icon4s:


Mujtahida's moniker has been hacked into.
hahahahahahahahahahha. i swear you don finish me with laughter here.okay lets move away from iwobi and simon talk. i enjoyed the argument. respect sir

they say joel obi is not impressing in camp. in any case some have said the battle is between him and simy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 6:32pm On May 26, 2018
Kog45:
Mikel as DM or what
As a Regista.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:32pm On May 26, 2018
CaptainStephen:
Met Oduamadi at Unilag today, very fit and skillful guy.

How him no go shine against amerture guys?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:32pm On May 26, 2018
andrew444:


Coach hardly rotate moses simon,when he was back injure he occupied the left and kalu occupied the right, And samuel kalu didnt start the last 3 games of the season that means he was rotated.

Not exactly true, Simon was rotated several times during the season.

Also, Kalu had injury issues at the end of the season and was not fully fit.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 6:33pm On May 26, 2018
Oasis007:


grin

The Key Words are; at the crucial moment for Gent....... kindly check the whoscored Stats below Sir. Why did Kalu, a fit and in form Player relegated to the Bench for a Player just returning from Injury to be accommodated in the Lineup?!


https://www.whoscored.com/Players/202185/Show/Moses-Simon


https://www.whoscored.com/Players/312705/Show/Samuel-Kalu


It's apparent the Manager believed he gets lots to offer the Team at the moment than his Nigerian Brother, hence he did the needful to accommodate him in the Lineup.




Kalu and moses simon shared different wings,if kalu is on the bench someone else bench him okay,simon is left and kalu is right,and gent coach normally rotate some players.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by minfelix(m): 6:34pm On May 26, 2018
MetalJigsaw:
link pls

https://m./1078695852144818?view=permalink&id=2164827846864941
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:34pm On May 26, 2018
krattoss:
Abeg who knows the time for the Nigeria VS Congo in porthhacourt?

I hope the match crew makes the stadium and pitch conducive for the eyes.. Make we no come dey see Yellow pitches..

I don't even know why they moved it to PH.

Uyo should have been more befitting. Asides the quality of the Uyo pitch at least to say farewell and thank you to the Uyo fans for their support during the WCQ.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 6:35pm On May 26, 2018
asha80:
Mikel as defensive midfielder in its present set up? please Mikel is playing his best football at that AM position now and he seems happy with it
We need him more for our build up play. Iwobi can play as an AM. None of our CM can help with building up play. Mikel can beat the press, hold up play and distribute.
This 2 destroyers thing is going to backfire sooner or later.

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