NairobiWalker2:

So how does this cra.p you posted explain the pros of annual rent pay if I may ask?

In Kenya, there is a 3 months eviction notice so no. That's still not a pro, at least not worth it and it does not help poor people get housing either. Somebody who can raise KES 15K per month but can't raise KES 180K at once won't manage to raise 180K at once just because some 3 month immunity is offered.


That's a question I should be asking you. You're straight out of college on your first job. Your salary is 100K Naira which is about the average salary for a fresh graduate in Nigeria. Annual rent in Sulurele is 700,000 Naira. How are you going to pay and you have nothing and you're straight from the University?
www.nairaland.com/attachments/5268042_vllkyt19tgdgoda0j_f7c289ca_jpeg3652ec4a9ef8c663d68f7d22c67c10f1
https://www.naij.com/1103088-this-graduates-earn-nigeria-starting-salary.html


Dude, you're not saying anything. Just accept annual rent is too expensive for low class people. Even here in Kenya people delay with rent, monthly rent, and it can go for several months depending on how linient your landlord is. But when you rent a house for the first time you must pay rent in full plus a deposit amount which is a percentage of the rent or a full months rent.


I have already confirmed to you several things. There is no way the house you posted can cost an equivalent of 8K per month and definitely no way it's a low class housing (with a Pathfinder parked outside). If that's 8K per month then what is the rent of this which represent what most of Lagos looks like?

3 months eviction notice in Kenya for someone who pays only 1 month rent? Who do you think you are talking to?

In many Nigerian houses, the landlords live in the same compound with the tenants. It is very common to find a rich or high middleclass Nigerian build his beautiful house with his pathfinder parked inside the compound, while he has other 1 bedroom, 2 bedrooms or even 3 bedrooms appartments for rent in the same compound.

So you can find a single bedroom for rent in a beautiful mansion at a cheap price in Nigeria.
Now I see the reasons why you have been arguing fruitlessly with me and disbelieving all my pictures of houses. Jeez! This is why I say we have more constructive debates to learn more from each other rather than this bitter and insultive childish arguments.


Nigeria and Kenya have very different systems.

In Kenya, all houses within a city are built by estate developers hence people of the same social class live in the same estates or neighborhoods.
In Nigeria, it is not like that! Except for Abuja city which is dominated by estate developers, Private individuals have the right to acquire lands and build their choice houses almost anywhere in the city they want to. And most of the private houses are being built by the owners with other smaller appartments available for rent.

This is why housing is relatively cheaper in Nigeria. Estate developers are usually greedy and would want to make maximum profits from their estates WHILE Individuals vary and some landlords being owners of their own houses may not be bothered or eager to make much profit on rent.

From this video I showed you earlier of Warri city, try to picture the finest house in this video below. That finest house will most likely have a one-room appartment for rent which will cost almost the same or even cheaper with other one-room appartments available elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3IUhortNLg

In my father's compound, he has a Range rover parked in the compound and my mother's highlander packed in the same compound and they have tenants who pay 200k annually for a modern 2 bedroom flat

Village Market-Kenya

Rents in lekki may be as high as 2m for a 2 bedroom apartment and as low as 300k in Ikorodu.
1..... lekki
2..... Ikorodu.

Jayceon:
You guys listen to Cassper over there? and who did the mural btw?

Yeah hes popular here, 'Baby Girl' was such a big radio hit last year. The mural was done by CreatVille.

Whats the message in this song?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d59ADlwvJQY

Westgate Mall-Kenya

NairobiWalker2:


No, I am not in a position to prove your love for history but one thing I can prove is, you don't know history. For one, if you knew, you wouldn't come up with your ridiculous assertion that no colonized country with over 80M people is doing better than Nigeria. You've probably googled this s**t about Ethiopia after I schooled you. Once more I school you, Ethiopia was not colonized. It was briefly occupied by Italians in 1936 - Occupation is not colonization. See? You don't know much history. You can google but it's easy to poke holes in someone who depends on google.


Wow! You're really a special case aren't you? Now you're changing goal posts again like you always do. Now it's no longer about population and colonization but age of a country right? Anyway, most of the countries I mentioned are more progressed than Nigeria and the worst ones (India, Bangladesh, Pakistan et al) are at the same level with Nigeria. Let me name them for you - USA, Brazil, Germany, China, Mexico, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Vietnam - they are all more economically progressed than Nigeria.

I didn't say the ratios are exactly the same. I said the Sudan ratios aren't equal between Christian and Muslims like you claimed.


What are you trying to explain to me seriously? I prove to you stuff that you had no idea about and now you turn around and start lecturing me on the knowledge that I just gave you?


Like I told you before:-
The only reasons why countries develop are:-

1. Harmonious living amongst their people.

2. Culture of Discipline

3. Good management with low corruption.

4. Better resource management

You're simply telling me that your country has failed at all those.

You are a lost case

Look at your second paragraph, you mentioned Germany and Malaysia among your progressive countries that were colonized and above 80 million people and you claim to know anything?

Who colonized Germany? Kikuyus?

And since when did Malaysia a country of less than 35 million people become a country of 80 million people?

Can you see where your desperation has landed you?

Mexico is progressive only on paper, the inequality in that country is sickening. A country where drug gangs and cartels control the govt of many cities and are even challenging the govt? Go and learn more about Mexico.

Same with Brazil, a very racist unequal country with some of the largest slums in the world. Recently the whole country stood still and people could not move for almost a week as drivers were on strike due to high Diesel prices. I have a pen friend from Brazil and she cries to me how she wishes to leave the country.

Save for USA and Malaysia which is now a high income economy based on PPP per capital, the rest are shitty middle income and low income countries who citizens are also leaving in droves.
No Nigerian middleclass citizen like myself will accept a visa to any of those countries you listed except for USA.

Two Rivers-Kenya

Nowenuse:
@NairobiWalker. Enough of the bad blood between us ok?
Like, don't you Kenyans ever get tired of arguing and bragging? Jeeez! I give up.
Let us rather focus on complementing Africa.

I am currently enjoying a Kenyan song on my playlist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfohX9VTP2w

These ladies are really very good singers.
Do you know this song? What language are they singing in? Swahili?

So are you going to answer the question I asked you yesterday or you rather prefer bitter arguments?

Are you a troll that feeds on bitter arguments and negativity?

The Carnivore Resturant,don't salivate!-Kenya

frer8:
Two Rivers-Kenya

The largest shopping and retail mall in sub Sahara Africa excluding south Africa.

Nowenuse:



You are a lost case

Look at your second paragraph, you mentioned Germany and Malaysia among your progressive countries that were colonized and above 80 million people and you claim to know anything? And since when did Malaysia a country of less than 35 million people become a country of 80 million people?

Lost case for educating you on things you have no idea about? Lol.............aren't you the one who said no country with over 80 million people that was colonized is more progressive than Nigeria? The problem with stupid people is, you educate them, they grow horns and think they're better than you lol. I intended to type Philippines - For some weird reason I always tend to confuse Philipines with Malaysia, I don't know why. You can look at my initial post when I was listing those countries though - I mentioned Philipines. Anyway, in your typical evasive techniques, you ignore all the things I corrected you (Ethiopia not being colonized but occupied and proving to you that all countries with over 80M people that were once colonized are equal or more advanced than Nigeria) you choose one simple error to focus on.

Who colonized Germany? Kikuyus?

See? You know no history my friend. FYI I happen to be a history enthusiast. Don't go their with me. Germany was colonized by the Roman Empire. Seems you read to respond and not to understand. I already mentioned that to you before.

Can you see where your desperation has landed you?

The only desperate person here is you. No wonder you keep mentioning it.

Mexico is progressive only on paper, the inequality in that country is sickening. A country where drug gangs and cartels control the govt of many cities and are even challenging the govt? Go and learn more about Mexico.

The only person who should learn about Mexico is you. Give me one, just one area that Nigeria beats Mexico. Just because you hear Americans ridiculing Mexico in their movies doesn't mean Mexico is crap my friend. Mexico is better than even South Africa, leave alone Nigeria. The HDI of Mexico is 0.76. I am definitely talking to a shallow thinket who can't reason beyond women's fashion and handbags. lol. What kind of fool thinks Nigeria can minutely compare to Mexico?

Same with Brazil, a very racist unequal country with some of the largest slums in the world. Recently the whole country stood still and people could not move for almost a week as drivers were on strike due to high Diesel prices. I have a pen friend from Brazil and she cries to me how she wishes to leave the country.

There you go again my lord. FYI, let me show you what that 'one of the largest slum in the world' looks like then you can come here and talk to me about Nigeria comparing with Brazil. See that? Yeah - that's Brazil's largest slum in Rio de Janeiro. Look at the roads - you can barely find roads that clean in Nigeria even in upper middle class neighborhoods. The Rio Favela is where Michael Jackson did that 'the don't really care about us' song. In Nigeria it could pass for a high end neighborhood considering you don't even consider those dumpshits in Ibadan as slums.

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One more fact - The GDP of Brazil's largest city - Sao Paulo is bigger than the GDP of Nigeria. The GDP of Rio de Janeiro is almost equal to Nigeria's GDP. So educate me now smart ass. FYI even South Africa can't compare to Brazil development wise. Educate me on how shitty Brazil is.

Save for USA and Malaysia which is now a high income economy based on PPP per capital, the rest are shitty middle income and low income countries who citizens are also leaving in droves.

It's Philipines, not Malaysia. And non of those countries is shitty lol. Show me a city in those countries that looks like Onitsha or Kano or Ibadan.

No Nigerian middleclass citizen like myself will accept a visa to any of those countries you listed except for USA.

That I doubt..............Nigerians die on a daily basis trying to get to other countries. One thing I'm sure of though, nobody from those countries would Fancy living in any Nigerian city.

Nowenuse:


So are you going to answer the question I asked you yesterday or you rather prefer bitter arguments?

Are you a troll that feeds on bitter arguments and negativity?

When someone is educating you it's not bitterness nor trolling lol. You should thank me for all this education I give you. Now you know there aren't many countries with over 80M people and those that exist, all of them are better than Nigeria economically other than India and Pakistan which are similar to Nigeria and Ethiopia and Bangladesh which are a little bit worse of than Nigeria. At least you know Mexico and Brazil are not Nigeria's pals when it comes to economy.

It's good you try to refocus on shallow things which is more like you. The Song is Ugandan and the language is Luganda mixed with Swahili.

Nowenuse:



Yeah, I am proud to be from Jos (central Nigeria).
I currently live in Warri city in South-south Nigeria.

Both cities have a large urban area of over 1.5 million people. By the next census next year, they would have both clocked 2 million people each. Their economies are growing too.
I visit Lagos occasionally and know the city quite well.

You see, I am happy that Nigeria is not like Kenya where everyone has to live in Nairobi.
The majority of Nigeria's middleclass population do not live in Lagos unlike your one-city country.
I can bet my balls here that all of you Kenyans on this thread live in Nairobi where you are heavily congested in those concentration camp houses that dominate Nairobi

Look at Warri city view below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3IUhortNLg

Then see my current location from google map and the view of the area I live. Can you see that here in Nigeria we do not live in concentration camp houses and slums?
When will Kenya ever get to this level?

Share some more photos of Warri, specifically that hood. And that Lake or Golf Course.

I had come across this photo of Warri maybe you can confirm

Nowenuse:


Anyone can settle anywhere. Natives tend to live in older houses more often cos those are their ancestral houses.
Some poorer non-natives also live in those native areas and many natives build and live in the modern houses as well.

So the local govt has no biz determining who lives where as you previously insinuated.

obaaderemi:
The preconditions to being an American president are 1.Being born in America. 2.Having at least one of your parents born in America. 3.Good education.
If Mr. Obama sn. had been in that boy's life, he would have messed it up like those of his other kids no one knows. Thank God for Obamas mother and her people. And yes, you mentioned destiny, is it your own destiny to be stuck on this Nigerian forum? Just joking.

There is an extra condition if you are to be a Black American president. The condition is that your roots must be from Kenya

Nowenuse:


NairobiWalker is a lost case. I give up on him.

If it was TayserMahiri, he would have kept quiet out of shame and flee, just like I dealt with him in the past when he argued that Nigeria had more slums than Kenya.

These little Indians are just shameless.

You can imagine the dozens of houses I have been showing him from different sources with their price tags. See the rubbish he showed me. He did not even look at the price well. The post does not even say if the house was for sale or rent or how many bedrooms it had.

I would go back and check where you actually beat me in such an argument but I feel like a dinosaur doing so. You have never beaten me in anything and you know that my dear punching bag

obaaderemi:
Lol @Tayser keeping quiet. He knows when he is whipped. I rather like the guy. No matter what he feels, he never shows anger unlike the kibera walking thug. I pity those around him. He is a volcano.

Man, you don have to support ur darling even when he says untruths. Hes still urs

NairobiWalker:


Well let's see,

Nairobi's population (City, not Metro) - 4M people = 9% of Kenya's population
Lagos' population = 21M = 12% of Nigeria's population. Indeed many middle class Nigerians don't love living in Lagos.

Anyway, Cities and towns outside Nairobi in Kenya are far better than cities and towns outside Lagos in Nigeria. Anyone would choose to live in Nakuru below rather than Onitsha below anytime.



Onitsha



Nakuru
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch166ydWwAA1oDp.jpg:large[/img]

Mehn, compare Naksvegas to Onitsha and laugh. How can a city be that old?

TayserMahiri:


I would go back and check where you actually beat me in such an argument but I feel like a dinosaur doing so. You have never beaten me over anything and you know that my dear punching bag

Like I told him before, he's the kind of guy that can be knocked out completely yet still claim he beat you. Another one, you could cripple him, burn his house, rape his wife but he'll still claim he won.

NairobiWalker2:

Like I told him before, he's the kind of guy that can be knocked out completely yet still claim he beat you. Another one, you could cripple him, burn his house, rape his wife but he'll still claim he won.

Manze! I see that kind of behavior with Palestines. They get a real ass kicking from Israel and then celebrate that they won yet dozens of them have been killed and only one Israeli was killed. Its a coping mechanism when the opposition is just too sophisticated and unbeatable

Danielnino00:
I can see that another south African troll has joined the thread lol.. ever since I read Trevor Noah's autobiography "born a crime" I started feeling so much pity for the black south Africans..




Meanwhile, this beauty just dropped from the Nike store ..part of the Nike mercurial family..100% naija inspired.

You Kenyans should cheer us up at the world cup,okay? .we are Africans after all

Personally I will support Nigeria. No bad blood in the international arena. My beef with you is strictly here on NL

Am sure most other Kenyans will.

But I might reconsider my stand if you embarrass tonight

Danielnino00:



We already have a few indigenous sportswear companies like Owu,cone sport and Haggai.. about 90% of clubs in our league are sponsored by them.. our basketball team is also sponsored by AFA sports,another indigenous company... they are still at their infancy stage,but they will grow...we will soon see the Kenyan football team being kitted by one of them soon

As for our super eagles, I don't think we have a shortage of strikers.. we got Ighalo,Iheanacho and this new boy Simmy Nwankwo.. overall, the team looks good.. we just need the right balance...

the friendly against England today will reveal a lot...

I saw ur 94'-inspired jersey sold out in minutes in the UK. This might be your WC but ur striking power is very low. You will need the entire team to be well oiled like the German machine to go far with those strikers you mention.

TayserMahiri:


Manze! I see that kind of behavior with Palestines. They get a real ass kicking from Israel and then celebrate that they won yet dozens of them have been killed and only one Israeli was killed. Its a coping mechanism when the opposition is just too sophisticated and unbeatable

Exactly.................there's one thing about such kind of people though - they have sycophantic cheerleaders. See, for the Palestines, practically the whole politically correct world and Muslim world is behind them and supports them in whatever move they make. Here, Nowenuse has some idiot called Obaboon. The fool follows him him around cheering him even when he makes the most absurd comments. That's why in his head he is a winner but to any functioning mind he's a fool.

nwoke37:


You realize New York is also a megacity, being one of the largest cities in the world. At the moment Jo'burg might be at an elevated status in Africa, not the New York of Africa yet, but I'm placing my bet that in the next 20 years Joburg's importance will have rapidly declined with emerging, mega cities like Lagos and Cairo toppling Joburg. This of course means these two cities will improve rapidly in infrastructure and sustain growth over the years. These two cities currently are moving in those directions. Africa is about to get a whole more interesting

This is what is going to happen from now onwards in Johannesburg , You must kiss my ass Useless Giant

https://businesstech.co.za/news/business/248469/construction-starts-on-sandtons-new-r3-billion-smart-eco-city/

nwoke37:


You realize New York is also a megacity, being one of the largest cities in the world. At the moment Jo'burg might be at an elevated status in Africa, not the New York of Africa yet, but I'm placing my bet that in the next 20 years Joburg's importance will have rapidly declined with emerging, mega cities like Lagos and Cairo toppling Joburg. This of course means these two cities will improve rapidly in infrastructure and sustain growth over the years. These two cities currently are moving in those directions. Africa is about to get a whole more interesting

Watch This video, this is the real picture of Johannesburg in the next 20 years, The time Eko it has 6 buildings, All this new projects will be finished , I hope your question is answered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TInt48QMr8U

NairobiWalker2:


What are you even going on about? City v City, Metro v Metro, whichever way you want Nairobi still thrashes Lagos. lol.



Nakuru is a serene clean city that makes everyone who visits it fall in love with it.
......and what the hell do you mean by market city? lol. Some of the dumb excuses you people give. SMH. Are you trying to say the millions of people in Onitsha don't live in Onitsha but commute there on a daily basis?

Onitsha is a damn large city with over 1M people - whether it's a market city, mining city, school city, port city, toilet city, sex city or whatever dumb name you wish to give it, it doesn't deserve to be in the shape it is. That is a shame to the cities of Africa. You guys really need lessons in city planning - cities like Onitsha, Aba, Abeokuta, Ibadan, Kano et all are really depressing.

Enugu still has nothing on Nakuru other than size though it is a massive improvement from Onitsha.

Enugu
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3724655_enuguslum1_jpeg44135297e945c466606d6caef1eae590

My observation. The culture of urban planning and zoning was never inculcated into Nigerians (by the Britons). So they build cities anyhow. People just build where they want, whatever they want. The result is that Nigerian cities are uniform. You cannot pinpoint a zone and say this is where the sonkos live and this is where the paupers live. With a few exceptions. Same goes to CBD. Their cities dont really have that concept. You can decide to build a skyscraper at the extreme edge of the city and no one will ask you. The second pic of Enugu is a good example. The whole town is a sprawling thing, more like communal living, or an amalgamation of villages with no particular order. That is, purely random housing.

The opposite, Kenya has the zoning inculcated into the DNA so that you dont build anything anywhere. Both systems might have their advantages and disadvantages but as far as modernity goes, the Kenyan system is by far better. Its also more organized and civilized.

nwoke37:
Soweto, South Africa

[img]https://backpackerlee.files./2015/12/soweto2.jpg?w=1600&h=1200&crop=1[/img]

I can't argue with you since you are backward See how we solve problem like this in South Africa, We need difficult problem, but we end up with a solution, it will be difficult for you to accept this, but this is true, You can take any slums across the world, We will solve the problem of that slum


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMSHa-Rh8Fc

NairobiWalker2:


Exactly.................there's one thing about such kind of people though - they have sycophantic cheerleaders. See, for the Palestines, practically the whole politically correct world and Muslim world is behind them and supports them in whatever move they make. Here, Nowenuse has some idiot called Obaboon. The fool follows him him around cheering him even when he makes the most absurd comments. That's why in his head he is a winner but to any functioning mind he's a fool.

Even in the head he knows he did not win. You think Palestines dont know in real sense they get kicked? They know, only that accepting defeat to your opponent is humiliating.

theenchanter:
Rents in lekki may be as high as 2m for a 2 bedroom apartment and as low as 300k in Ikorodu.
1..... lekki
2..... Ikorodu.

300k?

That's even too high.

There are nice 2 bedroom apartment costing as low as 250k annually and that's even including the agreement and commission cost for the first year payment.

obaaderemi:
How can there be so much disparity in the same land? The whites eat the fat of the land and throws the bones to the blacks of south Africa. This thing has angered me since I was a child watching clips of white south African soldiers shooting blacks. The whole world fought to stop apartheid but it lives on. The only change is blacks having political power. The whites have structured the land in a way to keep the blacks beneath them always. I read the book "Kaffir Boy" years ago and shed tears.

I believe you must cry for the people of Makoko, and your Giant in general, In South Africa we always have a solution, We don't sit with problems like you guys, Tell me your plan about Makoko, You can see we are doing something about our problems, Tell me how are you going to solve Makoko problems But we have some bad contractor, But we end up completing the work perfectly Tell me something about Nigeria This is free of charge for the poor


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OI8oS1_5UE

Just before Nigerians show wat they got in London, Kenyans have been showcasing what they got over the better part of the day in Twickenham, London.

They grouped superpowers together in one group to see who is the real superpower between the USA, England, Kenya and France

obaaderemi:
How can there be so much disparity in the same land? The whites eat the fat of the land and throws the bones to the blacks of south Africa. This thing has angered me since I was a child watching clips of white south African soldiers shooting blacks. The whole world fought to stop apartheid but it lives on. The only change is blacks having political power. The whites have structured the land in a way to keep the blacks beneath them always. I read the book "Kaffir Boy" years ago and shed tears.

I believe you must cry for yourself, Truly speaking, We are doing something about our problem, We don't sit with problems like you guys Corruption is a problem but we are solving problems in South Africa, You don't even come close to South Africa, The best way is to Shut Up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAgacCghfog