Even the news article I posted which you quoted said similar thing. Many more media outlets who followed the game were objective enough to say it also in different terms.... that.. We WERE better than England in that second half. The English did well defending deeply.




And you know what..... yes, I agree... I think you did watch a different game.

Joebie:
Kai we “bossed possession” and they “matched our dominance”

Maybe Na only me watch different match.

The one with Sane and Reus does not match naa... absolute mismatch. Reus has the pedigree while Sane is still a young super talent. It was always gonna be an in-form and fit Reus over Sane. Reus has been very unlucky to miss big tournaments due to injuries. We all know the story naa. Man City fans should just take heart. Their boy still has 2022 WC and even before that, Euro 2020.

asha80:
hehehe this stats of a thing is important but does not tell a whole story.. same way I saw someone on Twitter saying now that sane's starts at club level this season is better than reus (which is true) and so sane is better qualified than reus to be in this German team

We were not significantly better. You say we were better. Okay then

TheSuperNerd:
Even the news article I posted which you quoted said similar thing. Many more media outlets who followed the game were objective enough to say it also in different terms.... that.. We WERE better than England in that second half. The English did well defending deeply.




And you know what..... yes, I agree... I think you did watch a different game.

Abeg, I go drop mic here. Make we apply "more significant" attention to next friendly bikonu. The Wembley friendly don pass and it obviously was a game that told a tale of two halves. England had one and Nigeria had the other. Chikena.

June 6 don near finish.

Joebie:
We were not significantly better. You say we were better. Okay then

Okay, Sane's omission made me go around Facebook and I came to understand/see reasons why Coach's decisions should be respected.

Sane has played 10 or more matches for Germany with no goal to show for it even when a lot of chance was
created for it.

He plays selfishly like he is a Messi some of the time, makes unnessary dribbles and lose the ball. The German philosphy is team work.

Joachim has players more experienced than him who contribute more in the German team than he does. Club form is different from National team form.

in conclusions, he doesn't fit in to Joachim's team at the moment, maybe a Pep Guardiola's team.
These coaches know what they want most of the time, respect their decisions and only fault it when it is ineficient.

optimist25:

Colin udoh- The fickle nature of Nigeria football fans. You’re like kids, always looking to discard the old toy once a shiny new one pops into view.
And always so comically predictable.
Each time the cadet teams (U17, U20) Do well at the world stage, the immediate refrain is, yup, you guessed it “keep them together”. As if it’s possible for a national federation to keep and maintain players like a clubside.

When national team players have a bad day at work (like Onazi Ogenyi Eddy and Joel Obi at Wembley), they are instantly declared “finished” and a posse of new names trotted out in their stead as the savior.

The same Onazi that was once hailed by these same folks as the savior. Yes, I remember when NIGERIA failed to qualify for the 2012 Nations Cup, these people savaged the entire team, and the coach for not calling up Onazi, stopping just short of saying he could not only qualify for the Nations Cup all by himself, but could possibly win the whole damn thing too, then bring the trophy home by walking on water!

Today, the same Player has become their villain of the piece. Joel was hailed as the next best thing since sliced bread. There were even whispers of how he could bench everyone in that midfield, including Mikel kpakpa. Today, he should not go to the World Cup.

Now there’s a shiny new toy to sink those grubby fingers into. His name? Kelechi Nwakali.

Just like Onazi in 2011, Nwakali has barely two seasons of senior club football under his belt, but after watching him in one excellent game, against an arguably jaded team, folks want him to take over the world.

Deja vu anyone?

All of a sudden Gernot Rohr, who has watched the player over and over again, has tapes of him, and even invited him to come play the game where our Royal Ficklenesses saw him, does not know enough to leave the Player out of a WC squad he thinks neither Nwakali is ready for.

But all of our Royal Ficklenesses, majority of whom have never been 100 feet of the Nwakalis, feel they know more and better than a man who put them in that spotlight in the first place!

Yes, Onazi had a bad game. Yes, Joel had a bad game. And yes, both deserved to be subbed and need to work extra hard to prove themselves again.

But that knee-jerk reaction of throwing them under the bus, is just not the right way to go. Not any more.

Nigerian football fans must learn to be wiser and think a little deeper than just skin deep.

Players will have bad games. Including the shiny new Nwakalis. Feel free to criticize them. On the basis of that bad performance and let them know they have to improve. But don’t be too quick to cast players away.

We must learn to get behind the players when they fall down and support them to get back up.

They will give you more and lay down more in good times when they see you have their backs in bad times.



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It was as though I was reading my own post.

mazimee:
Okay, Sane's omission made me go around Facebook and I came to understand/see reasons why Coach's decisions should be respected.

Sane has played 10 or more matches for England with no goal to show for it even when a lot of chance was
created for it.

He plays selfishly like he is a Messi some of the time, makes unnessary dribbles and lose the ball. The German philosphy is team work.

Joachim the coach has players more experienced than him who contribute more in the German team than he does. Club form is different from National team form.

in conclusions, he doesn't fit to Joachim's team at the moment, he can only function in a Pep Guardiola's team.
These coaches know what they want most of the time, respect their decisions and only blame when it is ineficient.

for Germany though not England in your second paragraph z

Joebie:
We were not significantly better. You say we were better. Okay then

Yes,we were not significantly better but we looked like the team that could get the next goal.

asha80:
for Germany though not England in your second paragraph z

Isn't Germany's Sane the case study here?

lexyman:



this your fantasy formation look deadly , so many people must have looked at it and moved on .... combining the 2 speed master on the right can be very productive ....

lexyman:



this your fantasy formation look deadly , so many people must have looked at it and moved on .... combining the 2 speed master on the right can be very productive ....

There is enough quality in this team to brush teams aside. Na Rohr day fucck up. I see him digging his own pit to fall into.

Yes but we seldom threatened still. Did Pickford ever pull a nice save all match long?

Modified
We make it seem like we did to them what they did to us in the first half -- remove goals.. that's what I find appalling. The second half was for the most part even.

Icon4s:


Yes,we were not significantly better but we looked like the team that could get the next goal.

mazimee:



Isn't Germany's Sane the case study here?

you wrote 10 caps for England instead of Germany

I have not seem VicMo play LWB for Chelsea, even when Marcos Alonso was serving suspension. But I might be wrong.


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LieDetector:
he's been tried at LWB a coupla times when Chelsea are chasing a game.

Bolowolowo:
I am in awe of our training camp in Austria. The scenery is completely breathtaking and beautiful. Great hospitality for our boys.

Even if na for paradise. The result is what we want. Someone has to tell Rohr.

I watched the match again this morning and I was so enraged as an English player was clutching on Uzoho and leaning on him to unsettle him when England was about to take a corner and no single defender from our team reacted. Even Uzoho set stand like mumu, didn't even react. It still happened in the next kick.

forgiveness:


You are right, he made a dogs dinner out of the chances given to him on the 'LB' but not on the RB.

Aina is a RB player. It is a fact and not controversial opinion except you watched all him matches and convince me that the stats is not correct then I can understand.

People came here and deceived us that he played mostly as a LB in his club and meself swallow the lies hook line and sinker because I was not following Players nowadays.

It was after your comment that I went to see his stats and it was then that I realised we have been sold a lie to believe that the coach was just to play him on the left because of the false information that he played mostly as a LB this season, when he actually played all the matches as RB (save twice he played as LM and LB) since February till the day he came to World cup camp which amount to 3 good months.

Initially, I thought it good that he should be dropped for Echiejile and I felt indifference when he was dropped but after making research after your comment, I realised Rohr had already planned to drop him even before he kicked a ball else he wouldn't have played him out of position and make him contend with 'I will never forget my boys' player Echiejile who Rohr can never drop because he was part of those who helped him qualify for the world cup.

If a coach doesn't want you he will play you out of position, so that you fail and he will be vindicated if he drops you but if he wants you, he will play you in your natural position or try as much as possible to get you a better position that will accommodate you in the team.

Rohr has done that too.

I say play the boy in his natural position and let us see how good he is but if he is not good enough drop him.

What is the problem?

Let Mohammed Musa, Ebuehi, Shehu etc be given equal chances to prove themselves. That's all.

Gone are the days you play players out of position.

True! Aina was played out of position just to keep Shehu from getting dropped, I guess. I feel bad for him.

Sainty92:
Germany leaves out Leroy Sane from final 23man squad..... Na wa oo. U sure say Joachim Low no smoke weed?

Sane doesn't fit into his style of play. Took Brandt instead. No way Reus was going to get dropped if he's fit

Nna, I couldn't have said it any better myself.


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Icon4s:


It was as though I was reading my own post.

Bolowolowo:


I beg to differ. The boys need a calm and isolated place to concentrate and train properly. The camp in Austria provides a place to carry out necessary preparations without the distractions of an urban area.

Na for inside market dem been dey train before? They've never lack facilities or privacy in the past so whats the fuss

OMANBALA1:



True! Aina was played out of position just to keep Shehu from getting dropped, I guess. I feel bad for him.

Not true.

The LB was the weakest link, hence Idowu and Aina were deployed to that position.

nelszx:

Yeah I noticed omeruos improvement also never in a hurry to give out passes but calculates his passes and when to clear his line

Thanks to the competition in the team

Concerning the England Friendly, I think the main aim of playing friendly matches was achieved.
The aim is to see how prepared you are, but it has been crystal clear that we still have so much work to do.
In spite of the defeat what gladdens my heart is the midfield combo of Joel-Onazi; how the duo have been exposed. It is evident that we cannot depend on the duo and this will inform Rohr's decision going forward. See how much playing time Rohr has given Joel since rejoining the team hoping he can get it right.
Another puzzle that this match solved is IWOBI's Midfield role which many people have advocated for on this thread. In as much as he does well as a winger, I think he will do even better in the midfield.... His creativity is top notch. Apart from Mikel, I think Iwobi is next in terms of creativity (I stand to be corrected)

Bottom line:
Joel - Onazi combination is bullshit
Iwobi more essential in midfield

Joebie:
Yes but we seldom threatened still. Did Pickford ever pull a nice save all match long?

Asyde mikel's straight shot and moses own during d 1st half period

D guy was on holiday throughout... Ever since I av been watching football,I av never witnessed a scenario whereby during d 1st 20mins,I wouldn't c d opponent KEEPERS JERSEY,it was DT bad in first half


This can only happen in PlayStation ,but he happen for Wembley yday.

lol let's say it as it is.
And if the keeper was not made to at least pull a nice save. How many times did we hit the side netting or at least just miss the post by whiskers?

elyte89:


Asyde mikel's straight shot and moses own during d 1st half period

D guy was on holiday throughout... Ever since I av been watching football,I av never witnessed a scenario whereby during d 1st 20mins,I wouldn't c d opponent KEEPERS JERSEY,it was DT bad in first half


This can only happen in PlayStation ,but he happen for Wembley yday.

Haha!!! comodo, I sure like your slangs, yo. It don tay since I hear persin yarn pidgin the way you just yarn am for hia

Weh don, sah


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comodo:

Haba self. Onazi & Aina dey drag Jersey. Since when did Aina become a MF. No be him and Echiejile & Idowu dey drag Jersey.
I tire oh.
Drop MF put Defender. We for comot all DM's carry defenders go.

Icon4s:


Not true.

The LB was the weakest link, hence Idowu and Aina were deployed to that position.

Aina is NOT a LB, he is handicapped when you play him there unlike Idowu who can manage

Everyone is just going emotional. Iwobi played centrally due to change in tactics. Even while in the wing, he drifted often to the centre. Iwobi would still play from the wings if Rohr ever plays the 4-2-3-1.
I felt bad Aina was dropped but why all the complaints? Aina was never convincing and was rightly dropped. As for Joel, I would have preferred Agu making the final squad instead.

OMANBALA1:


Aina is NOT a LB, he is handicapped when you play him there unlike Idowu who can manage

The national team coaches assign a player position based on areas they think they need the player.

Nna, you definitely gotta text me your addy because I owe you a drink whenever we jam. Reading your opinions here, most of the time, is like a breath of fresh air.


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Icon4s:


Aina didn't do enough to displace Echiejile. Simple and short.

On Shehu and Ebuehi, who starts has lot to do with which strategy Rohr chooses to adopt. Very obviously Ebuehi is a better modern RB considering his ability to join in the attack from the wings. Rohr has the final say on this.

On Joel, I don't agree that his making the team is based on Sentiment. Could Agu and Agbo, who were dropped, have performed any better?

Also on Onazi, he obviously had a very bad game. You may say he is not good enough for a starter. But I don't agree he is not good enough for the WC. He deserved his place in the 23 man list

Icon4s:


Aina didn't do enough to displace Echiejile. Simple and short.

On Shehu and Ebuehi, who starts has lot to do with which strategy Rohr chooses to adopt. Very obviously Ebuehi is a better modern RB considering his ability to join in the attack from the wings. Rohr has the final say on this.

On Joel, I don't agree that his making the team is based on Sentiment. Could Agu and Agbo, who were dropped, have performed any better?

Also on Onazi, he obviously had a very bad game. You may say he is not good enough for a starter. But I don't agree he is not good enough for the WC. He deserved his place in the 23 man list

That Joel is a joke.

Certitude:
Everyone is just going emotional. Iwobi played centrally due to change in tactics. Even while in the wing, he drifted often to the centre. Iwobi would still play from the wings if Rohr ever plays the 4-2-3-1.
I felt bad Aina was dropped but why all the complaints? Aina was never convincing and was rightly dropped. As for Joel, I would have preferred Agu making the final squad instead.

Everything you said make sense. Am following you in fact, as a result.

princfred:
That Joel is a joke.

Are Agbo and Agu any better?

Eligreat247:
Concerning the England Friendly, I think the main aim of playing friendly matches was achieved.
The aim is to see how prepared you are, but it has been crystal clear that we still have so much work to do.
In spite of the defeat what gladdens my heart is the midfield combo of Joel-Onazi; how the duo have been exposed. It is evident that we cannot depend on the duo and this will inform Rohr's decision going forward. See how much playing time Rohr has given Joel since rejoining the team hoping he can get it right.
Another puzzle that this match solved is IWOBI's Midfield role which many people have advocated for on this thread. In as much as he does well as a winger, I think he will do even better in the midfield.... His creativity is top notch. Apart from Mikel, I think Iwobi is next in terms of creativity (I stand to be corrected)

Bottom line:
Joel - Onazi combination is bullshit
Iwobi more essential in midfield

All correct. Ndidi should replace Joel. That guy is -ve 1 to the team. No dribbling, can't press, average positioning sense, not renowned for slick or long passes, not a solid marker. What the hell is he very good at?