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Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 9:31pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
vaxx:I sincerely do not know as that's difficult to ascertain but it's so sure that humans like every other organisms will evolve by adapting to changing environmental conditions or go into extinction like some other organisms have done. |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Butterflyleo: 9:34pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
SoundLock: I don't think its coincidence either. Besides ancient discoveries have been made (can't recall the tribes now) but they were a mountain people I think somewhere in Australia who had very clear drawings of spacecraft and people they called gods who came down and taught them many things and even genetically modified them (as it were). Now the link you posted shows that all attention has been shifted to Australia . There must be some correlation because such talk does not just originate out of the blue. They must have witnessed something of the sort that prompted the very beginning of such stories in all cultures worldwide even in cultures without access to internet or external information, same is applicable. |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 9:34pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
SoundLock:you didn't state any proof to support creation sir, I can't see anything, kindly repost proof here. If you think humans were created distinctly, can you explain why we share 96% DNA similarities with chimpanzees? |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by vaxx: 9:40pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:This is not a thread open to mock religious idea but to educate each other while creationist and evolutionist may both be right. which made me stick to the thread. ''No room to received pleasure while bashing religion... their many army on ground''.. although the op find it as a challenge to decipher it in the beginning. but now he is gradually relaxing. The op wanted to educate creationist but he end up being educated. do u see the benefit of this thread to the op himself and to all those who may think creationist idea suck. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Butterflyleo: 9:43pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
vaxx: Well you and I know that I am always up for a little mental stimulation. However I wanted to cut to the chase real quick by asking for his alleged "updated ideas" so as to save us the long ride. Yes he is receiving quite some schooling. Hope he learns though. I chose not to be too involved with the thread as you noticed otherwise my usual aggressive drilling would have been evident all over the place 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by SoundLock: 9:44pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: Since I've debated on this thread I've consistently said that my opinion on the subject of the emergence of humans on this earth is that either the evolution of humans from primates was accelerated by genetic engineering or they were created anew. If their evolution was accelerated, they of course they'd still share DNA with other species close to them on the evolutionary tree. If they were created anew, then they were probably created using the DNA of other primates and mixing them with the DNA of the beings that created them or some other intelligent beings. Hence the phrase common among ancient religions and cultures of the creator Gods creating humans in their likeness. |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by SoundLock: 9:52pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: The scientists can shift their attentions anywhere and it still would leave them confounded simply because their initial suppositions are wrong. If you ask me, I don't think human civilization started at a particular place and then people began to spread out. I think the creator of humans specifically created different human races in different locations at the same time. The Australian aboriginals you made mention of say exactly the same thing the Sumerians and the ancient Indians say. The Sumerians for instance tell stories of Gods who came to earth and created them from less intelligent life forms. The Indians in their vedic texts also have images of all sorts of space crafts. All these stories are scattered across ancient civilizations, but told differently. 2 Likes |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 9:54pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
SoundLock:now I get your point, I'm sure you agree with me that humans were pregnated by apes irrespective of whether it was engineered by a super being or via gradual evolution. Now question is, what proof do you have to support the claim that this genetic engineer was done by a super being? science is based of facts and not emotional belief. Scientists has provided fossil evidence, done radiocarbon dating to determine the ages of these fossils and created models to actually determine the evolutionary line which made sense to you until it got to the point of how humans evolved. Are you saying the result gotten from the radiocarbon datings of fossils are inaccurate? 3 Likes |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by vaxx: 10:01pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:i like Ur honest, but i assume Most likely? we may end into Dumber humans. why? There is compelling evidence our brains have grown smaller in the last 10,000 years, and despite attempts to paint this news in optimism, the most sensible explanation is that since the rise of agriculture and division of labor, intelligence simply no longer has the individual survival value it had for our more distant ancestors. if we do not intervene by taking control of our genetic destiny (a most dangerous and unsettling path) or destroy ourselves in one way or another, we can expect that auto-domestication to continue until we are barely able to maintain the technology handed down by our enlightenment ancestors. Then, eventually, life will throw us a curve ball we can’t handle, and like any dumb brute, we’ll go extinct. That will be an ignoble end for the only species ever to arise with the capacity to envision a better one, and it’s a theme often explored in my writing. in all honest, i assume that the early men who propound creationist idea are smarter than us, while our generation will likely be smarter than the next generation |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by SoundLock: 10:04pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: What do you mean by humans were pregnated by apes? My proof is the fact that evidence points to our evolution being accelerated or our emergence on earth having been a result of some divine transformation. I also have proof that "super beings" have been involved in our ancient past. So if they exist, and have been involved in our past, then it only reinforces my argument. I've explained countlessly why the evolutionary narrative concerning the evolution of homo sapiens doesn't make sense to me. The result gotten from carbon dating is exactly the result that renders their claims regarding man's evolution as preposterous. 2 Likes |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by vaxx: 10:07pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:i just like the way the thread keep off those who find solace and pleasure in religious bashing. good thread i must say |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 10:10pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
SoundLock:where is this super being located and how can we verify him/her? You agreed that humans must have been engineered from apes hence why we share 96% DNA and you said it was done by a super being. You have not provided any scientific acceptable proof to this. You can't just come here and tell us that a super being removed genes from apes and made humans while he haven't seen the being before. Your claims are a contradictory and doesn't make any scientific sense, how can you support fact that evolution is still occruing and then claim humans are not involved in the process? You sound like you barely understand life at the molecular level 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by SoundLock: 10:22pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: I don't think any human completely understands life at the molecular level. I never said humans aren't involved in the process of evolution. I said that the process of our creation ie our evolution, must l have been accelerated and I provided evidence why. All you have to do is read my earlier arguments which you've since failed to refute convincingly. On the issue of the existence of this super being, I can't tell you the name or nature of the being that could have been involved in our creation or acceleration of our evolution, but I can provide evidence for existence of beings of higher intelligence that have been involved in our ancient past. 2 Likes |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 10:26pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
SoundLock:if this was how Michael Faraday provided evidences when he discovered electromagnetic field, you think you would be able to get a mobile device, connect to the internet and send me messages at the speed of light? You have not provided any thing meaningful to back your claims, all I see is "super being" 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 10:57pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
SoundLock: you keep using the word "BEING" how are you sure it is a "BEING" ,if at all there is anything responsible for human evolution of which science has not deciphered 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by edicied: 11:42pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:The opposite of Atheism is not Creationism....... |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by budaatum: 1:18am On Jun 05, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:You are doing a wonderful job indeed and are appreciated for it. 2 Likes |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Maamin(m): 7:19am On Jun 05, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: You don't get my point, better built in body systems is far from it because humans are also OK when it comes to intestine, kidney or liver. Except for cases where disease is involved. What I am saying is that why are these other life forms lacking intellectually and mentally regardless there better physical ability? Could it be that natural selection picked humans alone out of millions of other life forms to be exceptionally developed mentally? Why is there no other animal that measure up to humans even slightly? 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 7:49am On Jun 05, 2018 |
Maamin:there's no fundamental difference between other mammals and human, the difference in intelligence between animals and humans is just in few degrees. Animal brains are also capable of cognitive abilities: memory, curiosity, ability to reason and to imitate others. The only reasons why humans could be more intelligent is the enlarged brain to body index and bigger neocortex portion of our brain which is responsible for higher order brain function If animals had the same brain/body index as humans, they maybe equally or even more intelligent than we are. |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Maamin(m): 8:09am On Jun 05, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: It's not about the brain to body index mass. If it were to be so, then shouldn't an obese human being live like one of these animals due to large body mass and small brain? Shouldn't at least a cow be more intelligent due to it bigger brain to that of a human. |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 8:35am On Jun 05, 2018 |
Maamin:brain to body mass index is not what you are defining it to be. Brian/body mass index is actually the percentage of the mass of your body that your brain occupies and that of a cow is just 0.1% compare to humans that have 2%. And aside brain index, the neocortex like I said is quite bigger in human brain compared to other part of our brain. For example, a rat has a Brain/body percentage of 3% but has a smaller neocortex portion, it has dedicated most portion of its brain to those parts controlling other senses other than the neocortex (this portion is meant for higher order brain function), that's why a rat typically has better smell, reflex, nocturnal sight, they can hear ultrasound waves than humans. So, major reason for higher intelligence, is the bigger neocortex and then the brain/body index. I hope you understand now 3 Likes |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by tintingz(m): 8:48am On Jun 05, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:Alright, thanks. |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by TheEminentLaity: 10:02am On Jun 05, 2018 |
SoundLock:Please provide such evidence 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by TheEminentLaity: 10:20am On Jun 05, 2018 |
nwabekeyi: Sorry for striking you out but there's a world of difference between mammals and humans even though humans are mammals. Bats, dolphins, whales, dogs etc are also mammals. My question: Can evolution be induced by say genetic engineering or does it have to occur naturally? You mentioned introduction of specific genes from plasmids into DNA or something like that. So, can controlled mutation like that lead to a new breed of organism? What do you think of cloning and designing and growing 'superhumans' from scratch, possible or futuristic? ignore the ethical barriers |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by budaatum: 11:10am On Jun 05, 2018 |
vaxx:It can I guess. Nwabekeyi, what do you think? |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 11:22am On Jun 05, 2018 |
TheEminentLaity:I thought you would understand what I meant by there's no fundamental differences between humans and other mammals. I still strongly suggest that the fundamental features of mammals are quite the same considering our basic anatomy and biochemistry and comparing them to other forms of animals, all we see are just little genetic variations that lead to striking physical differences and these physical differences still maintain a fundamental structure amongst all mammals irrespective of their habitat. Evolution occurs by natural selection while artificial genetic engineering is trying to bypass evolution. Even if we try to manipulate genes artificially, overtime if those genes cannot stand the environmental changes, organism translating those genes will go into extinctions, so it's basically though natural selection. Introduction of plasmids is basically dine with bacteria and can only lead to same kind of bacteria that has differentiate function like a gene for resistance of a certain drug, increased production of a certain chemical etc, it doesn't lead to another organism. Growing "super humans" genetically is possible but the aftermath is dicey hence the strict laws. 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 11:34am On Jun 05, 2018 |
budaatum:yes, addition but evolution mustn't necessarily be as a result of addition of an exon (translated gene), lose of exons and rearrangement of exons also leads to evolution. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by budaatum: 12:50pm On Jun 05, 2018 |
nwabekeyi:I think "insertion, deletion and duplication" can be synonyms for gene "rearrangement, lose and addition", though not in specific order. Both phrases can sum up to one another. If so, the only disagreement with vaxx would be in the specifics of terms used, wouldn't you think? |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by johnydon22(m): 1:09pm On Jun 05, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: Create a new thread for this, I have discussed the possibilities countless times on this board. Let's discuss every creation theory. God theory Ancient astronauts theory Evolution Migration theory.. I'm very much in need of a sound discussion if you all are game.. Vaxx, Nwabekeyi, badaatum. |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 1:09pm On Jun 05, 2018 |
budaatum:yes insertion, deletion and duplication are all rearrangements. This is how it works, we have two forms of genes, the introns(non-expressed genes) and exons (the expressive gene), only the exons can be translated into proteins. Some times, exons added by exonization process ( I.e. converting introns to exons). And sometimes, exons are converted to introns or an already existing exon will be rearranged. So what vaxx could have said was the addition addition, rearrangement or removal of exons in a DNA and not addition of a new set to genes to the DNA. 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by Nobody: 1:13pm On Jun 05, 2018 |
johnydon22:tag me when you open the thread |
Re: I Want To Take Questions From Creationists And Educate Them On Evolution. by johnydon22(m): 1:14pm On Jun 05, 2018 |
SoundLock: Curious position. I think this deserves to be given adequate consideration. and the penitent question we must ask is; What accelerated this process? How was this process accelerated? Maybe a new thread will be good for this |
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