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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 11:43pm On Jun 07, 2018
Moneywomen17:
again see the guy that threaten u on nairaland coz how pained he is lol same pattern Yoruba bastard Yoruba demon that’s all they know they learnt it from their ibo master.
I saw him but inconsequential to the issue but always bottle up in anger,yet with nothing to show that his kingdom is relevant, simply because he has nothing to show. Beside, nothing do they have to show. People who lie to be relevant.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 11:46pm On Jun 07, 2018
Moneywomen17:
finally something to hold onto I don dey torture u no be small

Finally indeed lol. After 70 pages of damaging you and ur Yoruba brothers Na now u think u have something? U Yoruba are really slow sha.. no wonder we ruled ur ancestors for over 500yrs till u came up with the idea of selling yourselves so as to be free of Benin.
No worry, u never get anything on me yet, u have to wait 500yrs before u can think of something real to use against me..
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 11:49pm On Jun 07, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
Una dey move too fast.

Where are end-time ekaladherans? grin

You know what?

Ekaladheran is the first popular thing that doesnt end in "do" or begin in "ogi".

Mmmmmm......
He had gone to meet up with his ancestor Ogie n Oriso in Ughotan. Why bother? May be they have a. better version to inform us. Oviedo Davidedo or Davidnazee, come inform us ,where the dead body of Izoduwa/ Imaduwa or Ikeherladan is .
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 11:51pm On Jun 07, 2018
davidnazee:


Finally indeed lol. After 70 pages of damaging you and ur Yoruba brothers Na now u think u have something? U Yoruba are really slow sha.. no wonder we ruled ur ancestors for over 500yrs till u came up with the idea of selling yourselves so as to be free of Benin.
No worry, u never get anything on me yet, u have to wait 500yrs before u can think of something real to use against me..
e pain am well u Benin boys are very dumb that’s why yoruba dynasty rules u and if that’s not enough the Yoruba still came to ur village and it conquer and u had to beg instead. Despite u earlier advantage with Portuguese gun the ekiti who got it later whoop ur ass like a kid and today now the area occupy by actual Benin in Edo State is not as big as ondo State that’s what u called conquest. Till today u will kill for the Yoruba dynasty ruling ur village lol.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 11:54pm On Jun 07, 2018
davidnazee:


Finally indeed lol. After 70 pages of damaging you and ur Yoruba brothers Na now u think u have something? U Yoruba are really slow sha.. no wonder we ruled ur ancestors for over 500yrs till u came up with the idea of selling yourselves so as to be free of Benin.
No worry, u never get anything on me yet, u have to wait 500yrs before u can think of something real to use against me..
Bring evidence Mr man. In fact, do you know your ancestors were from Nok kingdom?There is a similarities between excavated necklace found in Edo and Attah of Igalas kingdom ........You are in historical account trouble. You don't know anything. The only option for you is run away,else new information will keep creeping up to dwarf your baby kingdom.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 11:55pm On Jun 07, 2018
Moneywomen17:
e pain am well u Benin boys are very dumb that’s why yoruba dynasty rules u and if that’s not enough the Yoruba still came to ur village and it conquer and u had to beg instead. Despite u earlier advantage with Portuguese gun the ekiti who got it later whoop ur ass like a kid and today now the area occupy by actual Benin in Edo State is not as big as ondo State that’s what u called conquest. Till today u will kill for the Yoruba dynasty ruling ur village lol.

History 102.. After ur Deji was captured, Benin put him on trial, found him guilty and sentenced to death by beheading..
kpele.. blame ur ancestors for that.

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 11:58pm On Jun 07, 2018
davidnazee:


History 102.. After ur Deji was captured, Benin put him on trial, found him guilty and sentenced to death by beheading..
kpele.. blame ur ancestors for that.
history 103 after ogedengbe came to ur land and conquer it he beheaded and killed most of ur chief and took their wife and ur oba had to beg him with wealth and hundreds of Benin sweet sex slaves which shows that no be today Benin don dey love-vendor. Only ur oba was spared from ogedengbe. Okun omode ee blame ur ancestor for that.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:00am On Jun 08, 2018
Olu317:
Bring evidence Mr man. In fact, do you know your ancestors were from Nok kingdom?There is a similarities between excavated necklace found in Edo and Attah of Igalas kingdom ........You are in historical account trouble. You don't know anything. The only option for you is run away,else new information will keep creeping up to dwarf your baby kingdom.
in this thread alone we already found out Benin attack some few kingdom in ekiti who later came back for revenge and took their land and women and also their ogiso is dumb and elkhadaren is a fraud let’s see what davidnaze will expose to us next

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:07am On Jun 08, 2018
Moneywomen17:
in this thread alone we already found out Benin attack some few kingdom in ekiti who later came back for revenge and took their land and women and also their ogiso is dumb and elkhadaren is a fraud let’s see what davidnaze will expose to us next

History 103.. The Yoruba princes were also found guilty of complicity in the riots against Edos and were sentenced to prison in Benin with hard labor cutting grass along Benin city streets.
Your ancestors weak sha..

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:12am On Jun 08, 2018
davidnazee:


History 103.. The Yoruba princes were also found guilty of complicity in the riots against Edos and were sentenced to prison in Benin with hard labor cutting grass along Benin city streets.
Your ancestors weak sha..
history 104 the edo chief in akure and the citizen along with Benin weakling warriors living there were all killed in akure and offer to the gods as sacrifice to cleanse the land chai no be today people don dey suyanized edo boys soon after they came to ur land and the male slaves taking were use on yam plantation why the female edo slaves were use for pleasure after eating strong pounded yam. Ur ancestor don suffer no be small chai
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:19am On Jun 08, 2018
Moneywomen17:
history 104 the edo chief in akure and the citizen along with Benin weakling warriors living there were all killed in akure and offer to the gods as sacrifice to cleanse the land chai no be today people don dey suyanized edo boys soon after they came to ur land and the male slaves taking were use on yam plantation why the female edo slaves were use for pleasure after eating strong pounded yam. Ur ancestor don suffer no be small chai

History 104.. Benin sent a punitive expedition to Akure to punish the city for the killing of the Benin administrator of Akure and Edo citizens.. Result was the crushing of the Akure people, part of the city burnt, ur traditional ruler tried and executed and it princes jailed in Oko prisons in Benin.

History 105.. Your Oluyin of Uyin was killed in his fight against Benin. His dead body paraded along the streets of Uyin and later burnt.
Yoruba una weak ooo.

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:30am On Jun 08, 2018
davidnazee:


History 104.. Benin sent a punitive expedition to Akure to punish the city for the killing of the Benin administrator of Akure and Edo citizens.. Result was the crushing of the Akure people, part of the city burnt, ur traditional ruler tried and executed and it princes jailed in Oko prisons in Benin.

History 105.. Your Oluyin of Uyin was killed in his fight against Benin. His dead body paraded along the streets of Uyin and later burnt.
Yoruba una weak ooo.
history 105 after the Benin were easily defeated by the owo and every Benin chased from akure back to Benin an army led by ogedengbe conquered into the heart of Benin village and conquer their way through Benin murdering every chief and community leader along the way and parading their dead body around to show who the new ruler of their land his and also taking numerous slave as price. In the capital Benin the king quickly came out to beg the warrior ogedengbe and offered him numerous wealth and female slave to appease him which he took along with one of the king wife. Chai Benin boys cowardice no be here begging instead of fighting smh
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 12:36am On Jun 08, 2018
This thread sweet die Chai
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Obalufon: 1:32am On Jun 08, 2018
AxxeMan:


Thunder fire your Asha.WO mama , yorobberr bastard

ibo boy
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Obalufon: 1:36am On Jun 08, 2018
davidnazee:


Marched on Benin lol.
Between 1830 and 1897 Benin executed your Deji, killed your Oluyins, mudered ur Baales, hanged many Obas, beheaded your Ewis, imprisoned your crown princes and took thousands of your people into captivity.. and u are here celebrating like a slowpoke..
your weak uprisings was suppressed easily.. una no reach. Continue thanking the British they are your liberators..


were you there na that beheaded part sweet pass for your mouth..and i can tell you are fucking lowlife coward na only mouth edo people get nothing more false pride on nothing Fulani herds man dey your back yard go tackle them
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Obalufon: 1:43am On Jun 08, 2018
steveosaz:


Guy, if you are using a smart phone to type all these crap, Google dictionary is just one click away. Stop shaming yo-ROBBER people now haba!

So at your age, you don't know the meaning of 'marched on'? No Yorubastard tribe could have ever marched on the great Benin, not possible, never recorded in history.

Yoruba has effectively suffered colonization twice at least on official records. The Edos first colonized Yoruba which lasted several centuries while at the same time, maintaining diplomatic and trade relations with the whites(Portuguese). And with Portuguese guns, Bini established its dominion and chokehold on Yoruba people. The evidence of this colonization is clearly seen in the cultures, customs and dressing patterns of the people of Owo who share striking similarities with their Edo lords and masters.
Second colonization of Yoruba came from the British. You already know that story.

We were suzerains over you and your territory for ages. Bow to your kings!!!


don't assumed it could be other way round .
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Obalufon: 1:47am On Jun 08, 2018
Moneywomen17:
history 105 after the Benin were easily defeated by the owo and every Benin chased from akure back to Benin an army led by ogedengbe conquered into the heart of Benin village and conquer their way through Benin murdering every chief and community leader along the way and parading their dead body around to show who the new ruler of their land his and also taking numerous slave as price. In the capital Benin the king quickly came out to beg the warrior ogedengbe and offered him numerous wealth and female slave to appease him which he took along with one of the king wife. Chai Benin boys cowardice no be here begging instead of fighting smh


Your chiefs and oba was stripped naked in the street flogged dehumanized by ijaws askari soldiers that fought along the brits and the chiefs were later hung openly like the dogs left to rot hanging without proper burial ..

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Obalufon: 1:48am On Jun 08, 2018
davidnazee:


History 104.. Benin sent a punitive expedition to Akure to punish the city for the killing of the Benin administrator of Akure and Edo citizens.. Result was the crushing of the Akure people, part of the city burnt, ur traditional ruler tried and executed and it princes jailed in Oko prisons in Benin.

History 105.. Your Oluyin of Uyin was killed in his fight against Benin. His dead body paraded along the streets of Uyin and later burnt.
Yoruba una weak ooo.


Your chiefs and oba were stripped naked in the street flogged dehumanized by ijaws askari soldiers that fought along the brits and the chiefs were later hung openly like the dogs left to rot hanging without proper burial ..

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Obalufon: 2:06am On Jun 08, 2018
davidnazee:


The British governed us directly becos they know if the tried the Egba deal with us we will arm ourselves and bring war to them if given the opportunity. They knew we are warriors and don’t relent in our fight.. unlike the cowardly Yoruba tribe.


You people are animals you can't be ruled indirectly you need to be ruled directly with brutal force . The north was also ruled indirectly because they have a good system of governance likewise south west too ..Also they were very sensitive about ruling us direct they knew the implication you can't rule an empire directly or caliphate directly there will be uprising ..but a little kingdom you can rule
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MayorofLagos(m): 2:20am On Jun 08, 2018
I give salute and respect to all my Yoruba brothers in here. I acknowledge your good works and output. You have done impressively well and gained the upper hand in this matter. How you guys pulled that ekhaladeran stunt off beats me! That was a major beat down in my opinion. Kudos guys! grin

Baba I thank you oo! grin I have actually been on and off as guest since page 10 and observed things from the side. Im coming in because I felt we should set some truths on both sides about this whole drama.


I address this to my people.

Let us be mindful and stay consistent on what we know to be truthful. Has anyone ever thought about the etymology of Bini? How about the etymology of Edo? Both of these words have origin in Yoruba. Bini is corrupted from Ibinu and Edo is corrupted from Ado. The etymology of Bini is the Yoruba word for vexation. If it was possible to own rights to the name Bini, Oranmiyan would hold the right. Oramiyan coined the name in his native Yoruba language. The name was then donated to a new found-land. How about Edo, how did it come about? This one will need a bit explanation. The root word is "do". "Do", as in sex is a living application of the root word. The etymology of the word is "coupling". I am not a linguist nor an ethnographer but the few things Im learning in Yoruba has helped to expand my curiosities and spheres of knowledge. Yoruba philosophy teaches the duality and opposite forces of nature. Anytime you "couple" the opposite you yield a result. We don't know what result will come out, so we proactively approach Ifa to give us guidance. To settle a place our ancestors used the Ifa geo-matrix to "Te Do". Where Ifa says settle, they named it "A do". They will perform "etutu" (sacrifice) and "irubo" (offering) and placate all the forces of nature and element to couple on that spot and bring about a sacredness. This is the knowledge behind the sacredness of the many ADO towns in Yorubaland.

The party that left with Oranmiyan from Ife did not go to Bini or Edo, these names did not exist then. They first settled at a land that geo-matrix picked. On this land they performed ritual of sacred coupling and named it Ado. It later became known as Udo. The foreigners from lfe settled Udo.

Udo was not the land of the Ogisos. The Ogiso land was Igodomigodo and this is where Oranmiyan renamed to Ile Ibinu. With time culture and civilization of the foreigners became the mainstream social order and Ogiso went into disuse, likewise Igodomigodo. The ruler is no longer Ogiso but is now Omo N'Oba N'Udo. With time the two capitals, Udo and Bini, became one after the Oba relocated from Udo to Bini. At that point Edo had become the preferred use. So Bini and Edo were imports that replaced Igodomigodo. Bini represents political power, Edo represent the spiritual energy.

So it makes sense as some of you have done to separate and acknowledge ownership of Bini and shield it from denigration. The opponents we are debating against are descendants of Igodomigodo, not Bini or Edo, but we will concede Edo for them because they are the indigenous owners of the land, Oranmiyan did not bring land from Ife. Therefore let's be mindful, Yoruba insults ourselves when we insult Bini. We do justice when we insult Edo and igodomigodo.



The other point I want to make is I am very proud of the way you guys don't engage them in the caustic use of vulgar and abusive language. You are capable of returning the favor, no doubt....but they showed sign they were falling apart and had no logical and superior points left to argue on beside repetition. The emptiness could not be concealed they bursted out with name calling and shooting below the belt. They collapsed under the weight of your pressure.


Oodua A Gbe wa!

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by AxxeMan: 2:25am On Jun 08, 2018
Obalufon:


ibo boy

Far far better than been a Yoruba .... Stupid stinky bastard born of an who.re
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:33am On Jun 08, 2018
Obalufon:



You people are animals you can't be ruled indirectly you need to be ruled directly with brutal force . The north was also ruled indirectly because they have a good system of governance likewise south west too ..Also they were very sensitive about ruling us direct they knew the implication you can't rule an empire directly or caliphate directly there will be uprising ..but a little kingdom you can rule

Of course u must praise and follow behind your Northern masters.. before nko?
Yorubas always a slave..
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:35am On Jun 08, 2018
Moneywomen17:
This thread sweet die Chai

why e no go sweet you.. U still never identify ur gender or try correct the impression ur useless brother Olu don give us about u..
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:37am On Jun 08, 2018
Obalufon:


were you there na that beheaded part sweet pass for your mouth..and i can tell you are fucking lowlife coward na only mouth edo people get nothing more false pride on nothing Fulani herds man dey your back yard go tackle them

na me say make ur ancestors no fit fight bravely? A coward always have his head taken off.. Same fate befell ur forefathers..

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:54am On Jun 08, 2018
MayorofLagos:
I give salute and respect to all my Yoruba brothers in here. I acknowledge your good works and output. You have done impressively well and gained the upper hand in this matter. How you guys pulled that ekhaladeran stunt off beats me! That was a major beat down in my opinion. Kudos guys! grin

Baba I thank you oo! grin I have actually been on and off as guest since page 10 and observed things from the side. Im coming in because I felt we should set some truths on both sides about this whole drama.


I address this to my people.

Let us be mindful and stay consistent on what we know to be truthful. Has anyone ever thought about the etymology of Bini? How about the etymology of Edo? Both of these words have origin in Yoruba. Bini is corrupted from Ibinu and Edo is corrupted from Ado. The etymology of Bini is the Yoruba word for vexation. If it was possible to own rights to the name Bini, Oranmiyan would hold the right. Oramiyan coined the name in his native Yoruba language. The name was then donated to a new found-land. How about Edo, how did it come about? This one will need a bit explanation. The root word is "do". "Do", as in sex is a living application of the root word. The etymology of the word is "coupling". I am not a linguist nor an ethnographer but the few things Im learning in Yoruba has helped to expand my curiosities and spheres of knowledge. Yoruba philosophy teaches the duality and opposite forces of nature. Anytime you "couple" the opposite you yield a result. We don't know what result will come out, so we proactively approach Ifa to give us guidance. To settle a place our ancestors used the Ifa geo-matrix to "Te Do". Where Ifa says settle, they named it "A do". They will perform "etutu" (sacrifice) and "irubo" (offering) and placate all the forces of nature and element to couple on that spot and bring about a sacredness. This is the knowledge behind the sacredness of the many ADO towns in Yorubaland.

The party that left with Oranmiyan from Ife did not go to Bini or Edo, these names did not exist then. They first settled at a land that geo-matrix picked. On this land they performed ritual of sacred coupling and named it Ado. It later became known as Udo. The foreigners from lfe settled Udo.

Udo was not the land of the Ogisos. The Ogiso land was Igodomigodo and this is where Oranmiyan renamed to Ile Ibinu. With time culture and civilization of the foreigners became the mainstream social order and Ogiso went into disuse, likewise Igodomigodo. The ruler is no longer Ogiso but is now Omo N'Oba N'Udo. With time the two capitals, Udo and Bini, became one after the Oba relocated from Udo to Bini. At that point Edo had become the preferred use. So Bini and Edo were imports that replaced Igodomigodo. Bini represents political power, Edo represent the spiritual energy.

So it makes sense as some of you have done to separate and acknowledge ownership of Bini and shield it from denigration. The opponents we are debating against are descendants of Igodomigodo, not Bini or Edo, but we will concede Edo for them because they are the indigenous owners of the land, Oranmiyan did not bring land from Ife. Therefore let's be mindful, Yoruba insults ourselves when we insult Bini. We do justice when we insult Edo and igodomigodo.



The other point I want to make is I am very proud of the way you guys don't engage them in the caustic use of vulgar and abusive language. You are capable of returning the favor, no doubt....but they showed sign they were falling apart and had no logical and superior points left to argue on beside repetition. The emptiness could not be concealed they bursted out with name calling and shooting below the belt. They collapsed under the weight of your pressure.


Oodua A Gbe wa!



This your last comment in bold just proved u jumped into the fight from page 10 like you rightly said.. Who started the vulgar and abusive language if not your useless brothers..
As for your own interpretation of the origin of the word "Edo" I will take it as another rant of a Yoruba man trying to promote his failed race..

Why is it that if Yoruba want to claim historical achievements they quickly point Benin Monarchy and kingdom as theirs yet your own Yoruba lands there is nothing for u to be proud of.. Yet this Same Benin Monarch led his Edo people to conquer and rule much of Yoruba lands for over 500yrs.

Please if you cannot prove that Benin Kingdom didn't conquer and rule all of Eastern Yoruba then go back to where U coming from or u go collect fire tire.. And as for your name MayorofLagos, don't forget Benin owned Lagos till British helped Akintoye to take it away..

If You say Oranmiyan should own the rights to the name Bini, then it will be right to say the Hausas should own the rights to the name Yoruba since they named you Yoruba, a name which you have generally accepted to be known as. (mind you, Edos do not accept the name Bini, we prefer to be called Edo).

You say Ado means people have sex.. You are a sick and depraved person.. Where did that come out from?? Well its ur people that are called Ados anyways..

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 3:20am On Jun 08, 2018
Moneywomen17:
he is just repeating thesame pattern of the way ibo argue on nairaland. For example if u bring fact to counter ibo or say anything they don’t like instead of them to disprove it u will see things like ewedu amala gbegiri coward tiger clawed face oduduwa fallen demon and so many more. If u read davidnaze comment well u will see he is following thesame pattern that’s how u know how pained they are lol

Good that you know these adjectives are used to describe your people. That's because that's actually what you are.

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 3:22am On Jun 08, 2018
Moneywomen17:
bla bla e pain am ogedengbe lead warrior went into the heart of Benin kingdom conquer ur land and ruled ur people before ur king begged for mercy true history

You are particularly one dumb pig for a woman. you clearly should be in the motor park.

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 3:36am On Jun 08, 2018
Moneywomen17:
the only tribe ever conquered by ibo in history is Benin people fact and they did it in under 24 hours damn. Now Benin was actually the one Bleep igala defeat u several Yoruba sub tribe took their town and subjugated Benin for years and ruled over u. Ogedengbe took their turn freely in the heart of ur kingdom took ur land and ur women as sex slave. Btw how do u feel being the only tribe in history ibo ever conquered shame don dey catch me small small for Benin villages same ibo that 500 Yoruba sent packing in ore conquered ur whole benin village chai


See confirmed coward talking. Which Yoruba sent Igbo parking at ore? It was Nig army(mainly northern officers) your Fulani overlords that came to your rescue. The Igbo's who actually hate you people like shit are a more sensible people that the ever lying and ridiculously insane Yoruba. That the Igbo withstood mortar and heavy battle for 3 years is enough to show they ain't your equal. Yoruba was basically peeing in their pants all the while.

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 3:42am On Jun 08, 2018
MayorofLagos:
I give salute and respect to all my Yoruba brothers in here. I acknowledge your good works and output. You have done impressively well and gained the upper hand in this matter. How you guys pulled that ekhaladeran stunt off beats me! That was a major beat down in my opinion. Kudos guys! grin

Baba I thank you oo! grin I have actually been on and off as guest since page 10 and observed things from the side. Im coming in because I felt we should set some truths on both sides about this whole drama.


I address this to my people.

Let us be mindful and stay consistent on what we know to be truthful. Has anyone ever thought about the etymology of Bini? How about the etymology of Edo? Both of these words have origin in Yoruba. Bini is corrupted from Ibinu and Edo is corrupted from Ado. The etymology of Bini is the Yoruba word for vexation. If it was possible to own rights to the name Bini, Oranmiyan would hold the right. Oramiyan coined the name in his native Yoruba language. The name was then donated to a new found-land. How about Edo, how did it come about? This one will need a bit explanation. The root word is "do". "Do", as in sex is a living application of the root word. The etymology of the word is "coupling". I am not a linguist nor an ethnographer but the few things Im learning in Yoruba has helped to expand my curiosities and spheres of knowledge. Yoruba philosophy teaches the duality and opposite forces of nature. Anytime you "couple" the opposite you yield a result. We don't know what result will come out, so we proactively approach Ifa to give us guidance. To settle a place our ancestors used the Ifa geo-matrix to "Te Do". Where Ifa says settle, they named it "A do". They will perform "etutu" (sacrifice) and "irubo" (offering) and placate all the forces of nature and element to couple on that spot and bring about a sacredness. This is the knowledge behind the sacredness of the many ADO towns in Yorubaland.

The party that left with Oranmiyan from Ife did not go to Bini or Edo, these names did not exist then. They first settled at a land that geo-matrix picked. On this land they performed ritual of sacred coupling and named it Ado. It later became known as Udo. The foreigners from lfe settled Udo.

Udo was not the land of the Ogisos. The Ogiso land was Igodomigodo and this is where Oranmiyan renamed to Ile Ibinu. With time culture and civilization of the foreigners became the mainstream social order and Ogiso went into disuse, likewise Igodomigodo. The ruler is no longer Ogiso but is now Omo N'Oba N'Udo. With time the two capitals, Udo and Bini, became one after the Oba relocated from Udo to Bini. At that point Edo had become the preferred use. So Bini and Edo were imports that replaced Igodomigodo. Bini represents political power, Edo represent the spiritual energy.

So it makes sense as some of you have done to separate and acknowledge ownership of Bini and shield it from denigration. The opponents we are debating against are descendants of Igodomigodo, not Bini or Edo, but we will concede Edo for them because they are the indigenous owners of the land, Oranmiyan did not bring land from Ife. Therefore let's be mindful, Yoruba insults ourselves when we insult Bini. We do justice when we insult Edo and igodomigodo.



The other point I want to make is I am very proud of the way you guys don't engage them in the caustic use of vulgar and abusive language. You are capable of returning the favor, no doubt....but they showed sign they were falling apart and had no logical and superior points left to argue on beside repetition. The emptiness could not be concealed they bursted out with name calling and shooting below the belt. They collapsed under the weight of your pressure.


Oodua A Gbe wa!



Here's another ragtag idiot with no sense of direction. Clearly drunk on fraudulent information prepared and cooked by Y0ruba and his likes. After reading through this drivel, couldn't find a shred of sense on there.

Anyway, you are a lesser evil.

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Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 3:47am On Jun 08, 2018
Obalufon:



You people are animals you can't be ruled indirectly you need to be ruled directly with brutal force . The north was also ruled indirectly because they have a good system of governance likewise south west too ..Also they were very sensitive about ruling us direct they knew the implication you can't rule an empire directly or caliphate directly there will be uprising ..but a little kingdom you can rule

You mean Oyo which hand gone under the river as early as the 1820s? Stop being stupid OK. The British never had any preference for you. The Hausa Fulani, your overlords have always been the beautiful bride. They were selected as successors of the British while your people were busy as usual making noise.
Funny enough, you were being ruled directly yourselves because you were animals fighting internecine wars and the British had to actually in to save you from yourselves. Spinners of history.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 3:50am On Jun 08, 2018
Obalufon:



Your chiefs and oba were stripped naked in the street flogged dehumanized by ijaws askari soldiers that fought along the brits and the chiefs were later hung openly like the dogs left to rot hanging without proper burial ..

Hahahaha... Don't worry, no matter the amount of lies you peddle, it wouldn't change the fact that the Oba had your coward Deji of Akure beheaded openly before his subjects in the market square. That was raw hard justice.
Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MayorofLagos(m): 3:53am On Jun 08, 2018
This address is to Edos.

From written records the first people and Kingdom the sea merchants traded with was Itsekiri. After that the Bini Kingdom.

We are in 2000s, Europeans have been coming to your land since 1400s, if not earlier. You should pay attention to the way Europeans write about you, against their style when writing about others. When they write about Itsekiri they just say Itsekiri, they never qualify it as Itsekiri Kingdom. When they write about Ijo, they just say Ijo. When they write about Yoruba they never say Yoruba Kingdom. So why do they always, without exception, write about you in the context of your Kingdom? This is so because they recognize a blend, an homogeneity between Itsekiri King and his people, Ijo King and his people, Yoruba King and his people. In your case they see a heterogeneous society - the foreigner aristocrat King that maintains a distinct separation in class and status from the indigenous class of chiefs.

Go to any museum or library abroad and say you are looking for materials on Edo people. They will remark and say 'Aahh, that's the Bini Kingdom!" Why can't Edo be recognized for what it is without reference to Bini Kingdom? If you ask for material on Yoruba they will respond and say we have on Ife, Oyo, Ketu, Ijesha, Egba, Ekiti, Owo, Ijebu, Lagos, Popo, Ilorin, and so on....no one ever says "Oooh, the Oyo Empire".


I will be honest, Bini deserve credit for its wars and victories. Yoruba fought other Empires. For many years we trounced Dahomey but it came at last and won a victory over us. Nupe defeated us, we recovered and defeated them. Fulani defeated us, we recovered and defeated them. When the British came we defeated them twice in Lagos and by act of accident Britain was able to gain upper hand and seized the town from us. They went to Ijebu and fought them. Ijebu protected its waterways and toll gate stubbornly. At last Britain gained upper hand. Except in Lagos, no other dynasty in Yorubaland was ever exiled or deposed by Britain. In fact the case of Lagos, Kosoko showed them pepper, they ended up begging him for peace so they can focus on their trade with no distraction. There are only three ancient dynasties in Nigeria that never lost chain or throne to a foreign power. Yoruba is one, Borgu is second, Kanuri is third. None of the other two has spent as many years in war as Yoruba did, internally and externally. In fact Ibadan at one single time was fighting five directional wars, each with a different enemy force and it defeated every one of them. Successes of Nigeria over Biafra were secured in the camps that had Yoruba in command. Imagine if the people you call coward had not come forward to rescue MidWest, you would speaking Ibo by now. I know some of you like to refer to Ilorin. The game changer in Ilorin was Afonja. Even the Fulani feared Afonja, and when he laid dead they continued to shoot arrow into him so there won't be surprises. Take Afonja out of the picture and Fulani would never had entered into Yorubaland with warfare.....but thats all in hindsight now, Fulani rule Ilorin and there's no wishing it away.


How many of the enemies you ever fought and won were Empires? You can't go pick on small villages and hamlets to pay you tributary and you call that colonized.


Yes Bini defeated Eastern Yoruba communities, as narrated by Y0ruba, six of them, but these places got smart, recovered and defeated Bini in a rematch. This is the nature of war and conflicts. You will not be the first to defeat Yoruba towns or the only one we took reprisal against and collected our victory back.


When you speak of yourself in grandeur terms I want you to reflect and remember what history you are recalling. You are bragging on what was written about you and circulated around the world in publications. The earlier writers became reference for the historians, anthropologists and linguists that came behind. I want to show you the profile ozone of the early chroniclers of Bini history, named Olfert Dapper. This man's work is what became the manuscript of Bini history and was used as reference by other writers.



Olfert Dapper was born in early 1636 in the Jordaan in Amsterdam. On 6 January 1636, he was baptized in the Lutheran church in Amsterdam.

In 1663 wrote a book on the history of Amsterdam. His Description of Africa (1668) is a key text for African studies. His book "is one of the most authoritative 17th century accounts on Africa published in German. Translations appeared in English, French, and German. Dapper never traveled to Africa but used reports by Jesuit missionaries and other (Dutch) explorers. Within a few years he published about China, India, Persia, Georgia, and Arabia. His books became well known in his own time. The fine plates include views of Algiers, Benin, Cairo, Cape Town, La Valetta, Marrakech, St. Helena, Tangier, Tripoli, Tunis, as well as, animals and plants.

Dapper was buried on 29 December 1689 in Amsterdam.[1]



This man that has never set foot in Africa wrote this about Bini.

"The king's court is as large as the city of Haarlem, and ... divided into many magnificent palaces, houses and rooms of the courtiers, and ... galleries, about as large as the Exchange at Amsterdam," the Dutch geographer Olfert Dapper wrote in 1668


This and many more embellishments is what you Edos live on and call greatness. It has blinded you to the realities around you. While you are stuck in a fantasy land built on white man's imagination and hallucinations of 1600, time has passed by and in 2000s your city has been reduced to an enclave and your tributaries of old have shut you out of the sea that once heralded your greatness to the world. Democracy rule the world now, not dynasty. The currency of exchange today is politics, not ivory. Where is your politics?


Anyway, I will return to my guest status but before I do, let me share with you that there are long list of researchers and writers on Bini, indigenous and foreign. It will be hard to quote of works of indigenous without appearing biased, even when its the truth. Therefore I will from time to time sign in and go deep and unravel your mysteries and myths so the world can see that Edo is an empty land....your foreign Oba is who brought you into world attention. Oranmiyan did for you what a thousand Ogiso could not do.



Here is list of writers I will be quoting from....

Olfert Dapper
James Graham
Laurenco Pinto
R.H. Bacon
Capt. Alan Boisragon
D. Van Nyendael
R.E. Bradbury
Dmitri Bondarenko
Henry Roth
A.F. Mockler-Ferryman
A.C. Burns
C.R. Niven
Thomas Hodgkin
J.D. Fage
Barbot
Barros
Artus
Windham
Welsh
Donnan
Capt. Landolphe
Burton
Owen
Gallwey
William Smith
Fawckner


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