OneJ:
@achorladey: Just like Jesus apostles, JWs are humble & meek to adjust their expectations & seek. clearer understanding about various issues.(Mark11:35-45.Matt24:3. Mark14:27-31,50) They were not perfect.. Yet, Jesus molded them because they were humble. Therefore, as we learn more about God's word ,the understanding & expectations of various scriptural issues becomes clearer.. Prov24:16. Prov4:5-7,13,18. Unlike Jesus followers& JW, the clergy & Church goers have stuck tight with their tithe gospel even though their scam doctrine has been scripturally proved to be false. JWs are on track despite their human frailty.

Riofidelio:
The guy called "Hairy" is DISFELLOWSHIPED so discussing with him is a total waste of time because he already knew the truth(light) and because it's too bright for him he returned to darkness with the determination to put off the lamp! That's why no matter how reasonable the scriptures quoted,he will say NO as if God should forget about HIS own programs because of him. That's his comment to confirm he is truly a "Disfellowshiped"

achorladey:

Egyptiana: If you believed it, why do you want to force others to believe what you believe?

Achorladey: go back and read the part I said it is my opinion and my point of view. It is not by force to accept or reject.

Egyptiana: Your comment is ambiguous and I can barely understand it. Your information is clustered.

Achorladey: you only need to remove the concept "organisation" from your mindset. Now go back to the book "COME BE MY FOLLOWER" published by Jehovah's witnesses. The explanation on John14:6 found in chapter 2 can never be ambiguous. Do well to read that if you cant comprehend mine.

If you have doubt still, bring it here lets analyse it.


Egyptiana: I see that you just go around looking for JW to engage in a debate. If you want to be witness of Jesus it is very simple.

Achorladey: I can converse with anyone on this platform. I have done so with many other religious denominations apart from the JWs.

Achorladey: Being a witness of Jesus christ is the right thing to do. The book I made mention emphasis that. Matthew 28:19,20 say so. Acts 1:8 states the same.


Egyptiana: JW chose to be witnesses of Jehovah just as Jesus is also and we follow his steps.


Achorladey: Jehovah God witness about Jesus, every other person wants to imitate Jehovah as beloved children by witnessing about Jesus.

Egyptiana: So, if you want to be called a witness of Jesus, go ahead!

Achorladey: many other religious denomination witness about Jesus. So, dont judge them when they do so.

Egyptiana: Meanwhile, your narrative does not fit your own doctrine. if I asked you the name of your church, I will not get Jesus witnesses.

Achorladey: that is if you understand the concept of what is in a "name".

Egyptiana: So,before you come here to force JW to be called Jesus witness, go and fix whatever title you are called and enjoy your life.

Achorladey: before you come here to force other religious denomination to be called Jehovah's witnesses, go and ask Charles Taze Russell will he be willing and ready to be known as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. Does he believe Isaiah 43:10 subscribed to that.

Hairyrapunzel:

[b]Watchtower teaches that ..........

Egyptiana:
You do not need to quote me. I do not bother reading all those epistles from you. They are all baseless. I do not want to be taught about JW. Jesus asked you to preach the word of God and not spend your entire life chasing after JW.
Try for a minute to click on your moniker and it is quite obvious that you have devoted your time and energy to destroy the JW. Get a life! If you want to teach your own doctrines go ahead, is there nothing better that you can teach in the Bible than Watchtower says etc? ? You are not achieving anything from the heap of waste that you are piling up on nairaland. No one cares. It depicts your frustration already. Bye!

Egyptiana:
You do not need to quote me. I do not bother reading all those epistles from you. They are all baseless. I do not want to be taught about JW. Jesus asked you to preach the word of God and not spend your entire life chasing after JW.
Try for a minute to click on your moniker and it is quite obvious that you have devoted your time and energy to destroy the JW. Get a life! If you want to teach your own doctrines go ahead, is there nothing better that you can teach in the Bible than Watchtower says etc? ? You are not achieving anything from the heap of waste that you are piling up on nairaland. No one cares. It depicts your frustration already. Bye!

Riofidelio:
It's the Spirit of Diotrephes that's tormenting the disfellowshiped,(2John 9,10) He has no specific mission but to keep disturbing and confusing those who loves orderliness.What he stands to gain? Nobody knows! What a pity Omaseo

Egyptiana:
You are here for this but it would be a waste of time engaging you in a debate.
Egyptiana: Meanwhile, your narrative does not fit your own doctrine. if I asked you the name of your church, I will not get Jesus witnesses.

Achorladey: that is if you understand the concept of what is in a "name".
I was expecting to get a clear response on the boldened above but you dodged it. That wasn't too smart. What is the name of your Church?
I do not know how the topic about Russel got here if not that you have mastered the skill of throwing shades at the JW as your previous comments reveal. How did Russel get here just now? Just tell me. We are talking about God and you are calling names of an individual who died many years ago. That is very unethical. If you claim to converse with anyone on this forum why are you calling names now? You are conversing with me I suppose and you are calling Russel. For what really?
It is very petty of you to go down that lane.

Egyptiana:
You do not need to quote me. I do not bother reading all those epistles from you. They are all baseless. I do not want to be taught about JW. Jesus asked you to preach the word of God and not spend your entire life chasing after JW.
Try for a minute to click on your moniker and it is quite obvious that you have devoted your time and energy to destroy the JW. Get a life! If you want to teach your own doctrines go ahead, is there nothing better that you can teach in the Bible than Watchtower says etc? ? You are not achieving anything from the heap of waste that you are piling up on nairaland. No one cares. It depicts your frustration already. Bye!

Egyptiana:
You are here for this but it would be a waste of time engaging you in a debate.
Egyptiana: Meanwhile, your narrative does not fit your own doctrine. if I asked you the name of your church, I will not get Jesus witnesses.

Achorladey: that is if you understand the concept of what is in a "name".
I was expecting to get a clear response on the boldened above but you dodged it. That wasn't too smart. What is the name of your Church?
I do not know how the topic about Russel got here if not that you have mastered the skill of throwing shades at the JW as your previous comments reveal. How did Russel get here just now? Just tell me. We are talking about God and you are calling names of an individual who died many years ago. That is very unethical. If you claim to converse with anyone on this forum why are you calling names now? You are conversing with me I suppose and you are calling Russel. For what really?
It is very petty of you to go down that lane.

GEJfan1:
Religion is the opiom of the masses - Karl max
See dem fighting over what they don't even know about instead of fighting to remove that fulani man from Aso rock

Riofidelio:
There were so many problems politically facing Judea and Samaria when she asked Jesus about pure worship.John 4:20 So keep paying attention to what you believe can save you while others pay rapt attention to what they believe can save them,it's a free world and there is freedom of expression!

Riofidelio:
It's not coincidental if they know so much about pure worship,it's in fulfillment of Bible prophecies after all the city that's built on the mountain can not be hidden. Matthew 5:14 compared to Isaiah 2:1-4 and Micah 4:2-4 Jehovah's Holy mountain(pure worship) will be raised high above all others mountains and hills (false worships) that's Jehovah's promise regarding HIS worship, therefore don't bother to ask them about their place of worship because it's just too low besides Jehovah's mountain, even if they mention it it's of no significance since their God has been rendered speechless that's why they themselves are becoming dumb. Just say to them "i am one of Jehovah's witnesses" and start hearing so much that they've gathered as info regarding our beliefs whereas their own is FACELESS lacking UNIQUENESS.So regarding where they worship or the name of their religious group they'll become DUMB just like their speechless gods on lower grounds before Jehovah and HIS lofty mountain! Psalms 115:2-8 compared to Matthew 13:15

GEJfan1:
Religion is the opiom of the masses - Karl max
See dem fighting over what they don't even know about instead of fighting to remove that fulani man from Aso rock

Hairyrapunzel:

Religion is a scam and racket.

Egyptiana:
You do not need to quote me. I do not bother reading all those epistles from you. They are all baseless. I do not want to be taught about JW. Jesus asked you to preach the word of God and not spend your entire life chasing after JW.
Try for a minute to click on your moniker and it is quite obvious that you have devoted your time and energy to destroy the JW. Get a life! If you want to teach your own doctrines go ahead, is there nothing better that you can teach in the Bible than Watchtower says etc? ? You are not achieving anything from the heap of waste that you are piling up on nairaland. No one cares. It depicts your frustration already. Bye!

Riofidelio:
Jehovah will deliver US from the hands of Satan's agents! Because if you're not vigilant,you won't know when Satan totally takes control of an individual. Please take note of this, first he was with Jehovah's organization then he couldn't maintain his stand due to arrogance,later he left the organization and started complaining bitterly outside against the organization,then ATHEISTS wanted him in their midst and finally he is demanding that nobody should worship God again! Matthew 12:43-45 Of course those deaf spiritually can't grasp his motives but if religion is evil totally then on what platform will people render sacred services to God as in worship? No weapon formed against me shall prosper and any tongue that rises against my determination to continue worshipping my God (no matter how highly intelligent the evil spirit using such tongue as Satan used a serpent to change Eve's decision from worshipping God) Jehovah will help me to silence! Isaiah 54:17 Just imagine the thoughts in the heart of a disfellowshiped! Luke 6:45

achorladey:

judgemental approach already.......not a good way to start a discussion.

Hebrews 10:24;25 do not insert the clause "the same mind" if you are including it on your own no problem.....

John 14:6 and John 4:24 did not prohibit people of different mind from gathering together.

does Galatians 6:10 restrict the doing of GOOD by JWs to only Jehovah's witnesses alone as captured in fulfilling law of the christ.

achorladey:

judgemental approach already.......not a good way to start a discussion.

let me allow you to expose your lack of knowledge yourself .

Hebrews 10:24;25 do not insert the clause "the same mind" if you are including it on your own no problem.....

John 14:6 and John 4:24 did not prohibit people of different mind from gathering together.

1. Am Glad you could not object that People should congregate together which calls for some level of organization .

2. Am also Glad you could not object the fact that Christ appoint some to take the lead among this Congregated ones.

Which defeat your first assumption that becoming a part of a worldwide brotherhood isn't neccesary for salvation . WE now clearly see it does.

When you could not defend yourself, your shifted position to SAME MIND / DIFFERENT MIND .

This also expose your lack of bible knowledge, Because according to scriptures . True Christians are to be united in the same mind and line of thought

" Now I urge you, brother's, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" - 1 Corinthians 1:10

Mr Different mind, Does this support you?

does Galatians 6:10 restrict the doing of GOOD by JWs to only Jehovah's witnesses alone as captured in fulfilling law of the christ.

Barristter07:


let me allow you to expose your lack of knowledge yourself .





1. Am Glad you could not object that People should congregate together which calls for some level of organization .

2. Am also Glad you could not object the fact that Christ appoint some to take the lead among this Congregated ones.

Which defeat your first assumption that becoming a part of a worldwide brotherhood isn't neccesary for salvation . WE now clearly see it does.

When you could not defend yourself, your shifted position to SAME MIND / DIFFERENT MIND .

This also expose your lack of bible knowledge, Because according to scriptures . True Christians are to be united in the same mind and line of thought

" Now I urge you, brother's, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" - 1 Corinthians 1:10

Mr Different mind, Does this support you?





How does this relate to having different mind in Worship ? o ma se o

Barristter07:


let me allow you to expose your lack of knowledge yourself .





1. Am Glad you could not object that People should congregate together which calls for some level of organization .

2. Am also Glad you could not object the fact that Christ appoint some to take the lead among this Congregated ones.

Which defeat your first assumption that becoming a part of a worldwide brotherhood isn't neccesary for salvation . WE now clearly see it does.

When you could not defend yourself, your shifted position to SAME MIND / DIFFERENT MIND .

This also expose your lack of bible knowledge, Because according to scriptures . True Christians are to be united in the same mind and line of thought

" Now I urge you, brother's, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" - 1 Corinthians 1:10

Mr Different mind, Does this support you?





How does this relate to having different mind in Worship ? o ma se o

Barristter07:


let me allow you to expose your lack of knowledge yourself .





1. Am Glad you could not object that People should congregate together which calls for some level of organization .

2. Am also Glad you could not object the fact that Christ appoint some to take the lead among this Congregated ones.

Which defeat your first assumption that becoming a part of a worldwide brotherhood isn't neccesary for salvation . WE now clearly see it does.

When you could not defend yourself, your shifted position to SAME MIND / DIFFERENT MIND .

This also expose your lack of bible knowledge, Because according to scriptures . True Christians are to be united in the same mind and line of thought

" Now I urge you, brother's, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" - 1 Corinthians 1:10

Mr Different mind, Does this support you?





How does this relate to having different mind in Worship ? o ma se o

OneJ:
@achorladey: Just like Jesus apostles, JWs are humble & meek to adjust their expectations & seek. clearer understanding about various issues.(Mark11:35-45.Matt24:3. Mark14:27-31,50) They were not perfect.. Yet, Jesus molded them because they were humble. Therefore, as we learn more about God's word ,the understanding & expectations of various scriptural issues becomes clearer.. Prov24:16. Prov4:5-7,13,18. Unlike Jesus followers& JW, the clergy & Church goers have stuck tight with their tithe scam even though it has been scripturally proved to be false. Besides ,they hide under the toga of grace & "robust reply" to perpetrate licentiousness & iniquity. JWs are on track despite their human frailty.

achorladey:


OneJ: @achorladey : Just like Jesus apostles, JWs are humble & meek to adjust their expectations & seek. clearer understanding about various issues.(Mark11:35-45.Matt24:3. Mark14:27-31,50)

Achorladey: That is if you are looking from your own point of view. Other religious denominations might not view the Jws that way. Bringing humility and meekness down to individual level of members within religious denominations, you will agree that this varies from one denominations to another. Galatians 6:4 comes to mind: But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have a cause for rejoicing alone, and not in comparison with the the other person.

OneJ: They were not perfect.. Yet, Jesus molded them because they were humble. Therefore, as we learn more about God's word ,the understanding & expectations of various scriptural issues becomes clearer.. Prov24:16. Prov4:5-7,13,18.

Achorladey: I am not against one being humble and accepting needed adjustments scripturally. That the disciples and apostles did not understand some issues scripturally make them false Christians?

Or that the disciples inability to grasp all what Jesus said while he was still with them make their discipleship invalid? View the Christian community that way. That they do not agree or accept what the Jws believe do not render their christianship invalid.

OneJ: Unlike Jesus followers& JW, the clergy & Church goers have stuck tight with their tithe scam even though it has been scripturally proved to be false. Besides ,they hide under the toga of grace & "robust reply" to perpetrate licentiousness & iniquity. JWs are on track despite their human frailty.

Achorladey: Unlike the clergy and church goers, the JWs and their clergy have stuck tight with their "Jehovah's organisation" concept even though it has been scripturally proved to be false. Besides, they hide under the toga of "Jehovah's organization" and "robust reply" to perpetrate licentiousness & iniquity. The church and the clergy are on track despite their human frailty.

It is just to let you see how your concluding statement applies the other way round. Judgemental approach counts for nothing. Romans 14:4.

Riofidelio:
Seeing things from another perspective is good but the truth can't be more than ONE so if you're still welcoming every contradicting doctrines and conflicting theories certainly you're not ready for the TRUTH! James 4:7,8 You must be working zealously to distinguish between right and wrong(Hebrews 5:14) or else you'll condone all sought of ideologies just to become friends with everyone.James 4:4

Riofidelio:
Satan can be really deceptive walahi! OK, Paul wrote a letter to the Christians in Corinth that they shouldn't be divided as in some following Peter's theory,still some Paul's theory,some Apollo's theory,but they should all be following the ideology of Jesus(Christ). If Satan is not a deceiver please from where did Churches today got their contradicting doctrines and conflicting theories? Why are they having different GOs with different teachings? Why do we have different Churches in one street to the extent that they're becoming competitive? What's the reason behind various camps along Lagos ~ Ibadan expressway with different labels? Are they not saying i belong to Pastor A while another will say i belong to Pastor B? Well Jehovah's witnesses are also guilty of the same offence but there's one fact that distinguished US from them! We're always asking "who's doctrines and teachings truly match that of the Christ?" because we're sure that without knowing the true teachings of Jesus (Christ) any religious group no matter the name of their GO is heading towards destruction! They pretends before the public that they're not quarreling but their competitive buildings,adverts and theories clearly expose their hypocrisy! 1Christians 1:10-17, Philippians 2:2 An undeniable evidence is what happened last year. One young man threw a question to the Churches about tithing and it was obvious that while some Pastors agreed that it's a fraud most Pastors insisted on collecting it anyway! If it's thrown to JWs it would have been easily solved "Jesus didn't collect tithe neither did His Apostles for any reason whatsoever" period!

achorladey:


according to "Riofidelio" Jehovah's witnesses is also guilty of the offence. Now you are talking.

As regards adverts, buildings and other theories they are all( the jws not an exception) also guilty of the offence.