We played against crotia what happened?

Icon4s:


No, we have to play.

isan:
We played against crotia what happened?

And so we rather not play against Iceland. When we need to fire from all cylinders to overturn our deficit?

Oga. I replied your post. That wasn’t the post. That was your reply to my first reply. That was the point you derailed. Even my first response to that your initial post had a “for now” context.

TheSuperNerd:
Actually it was. You are one trying to give it a different color. The point from the beginning on my end was you need both worlds. WC performance is never enough.

And glad fatherhood is a Joy. Keep at it.




Your first words below:




This was my reply:

The "most fortunate" actually. Ghana were "the best" at WC 2010 but have never conquered Africa with that Squad. The best in Africa are those who win the Afcon and can also try translate it on the world stage. It is unfortunate Cameroon were in our group in WC Qualifying.


See? It was always my stance throughout the discussion.

Here it is. Even Odunayaw ‘s post that you quoted had a “for now” context. Na u start to detail lol

TheSuperNerd:
Well said. Morocco have done well so far and they have shown why they are a top African side. It is just unfortunate they got this group. They are better than Senegal. They have played the best football of all African teams but will sadly have to go home early. They were my second favorite African team coming to this mundial and rightly so. The Atlas Lions will be a force at Afcon 2019.

Mister, I was never ever speaking "for now" context. That is the different color you are bringing in. I was simply addressing the simple point of "The Best" based on WC Performance and I reemphasize that having a decent WC performance better than than your fellow continental reps does not suddenly make you the best. A balance of your continental reputation and WC showing is key. WC performance is not and never enough. Finito.

Joebie:
Oga. I replied your post. That wasn’t the post. That was your reply to my first reply. That was the point you derailed. Even my first response to that your initial post had a “for now” context.

Hahaha u a laughable. I’m the one trying to give it a different color? Smh

TheSuperNerd:
Mister, I was never ever speaking "for now" context. That is the different color you are bringing in. I was simply addressing the simple point of "The Best" based on WC Performance and I reemphasize that having a decent WC performance better than than your fellow continental reps does not suddenly make you the best. A balance of your continental reputation and WC showing is key. WC performance is not and never enough. Finito.

Icon4s:


As if it is not the same Mikel that played AM during the qualifiers.

Note again that Iwobi is not being played as a winger but as a Left or Right Attacking Midfielder.

So if Rohr chooses to start Mikel as the Central AM where would you rather Iwobi plays?

oga icon...are we still in the qualifiers...?
sometimes you make me fear and see you as a very conservative and analog kind of coach....

you have tried something and it is not working....common sense expect you to make changes....
you can't keep doing somethin same way and expect an improved results.....
it seems you are still in the euphoria of the world cup qualifers..... where we played weaklings.
now is the gathering of world best teams..

we have played mikel as AM for something now...but still.no results...so let's try iwobi there while mikel provide support from the CM role....
etebo or musa can be deployed to wings.....

And I addressed his post differently from the way I addressed yours. You only didn't want to agree that WC performance is not enough to make an African team the best. You kept on harping on what one does on the world stage is to be more recognised than what one does on the continent. And I said nope, a balance of both is key. Simple point.

Joebie:
Here it is. Even Odunayaw ‘s post that you quoted had a “for now” context. Na u start to detail lol

Yes you are. It is that simple. A WC performance does not make a team Africa's best all of a sudden. You argued for lengths trying to prove that it is all that matters and that you will pick a WC semi over an AFCON. See? So your "for now" is you giving it another color again. I mentioned my stance in the discussion and stuck with it. You changed yours.

Joebie:
Hahaha u a laughable. I’m the one trying to give it a different color? Smh

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M7even:


Mumu pikin. Product of a burst CD

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Son of a goat.

After their defeat by Croatia, Nigeria Players were
so ashamed of their failure that they decided to
hide their identity so that they would not be
recognized.

Moses dressed like a monk. While walking on the
streets of Moscow in Russia, suddenly an old lady
walked up to him and said:

"Hi Moses!" Amazed and angry that an old lady
had recognized him, he went back and dressed
like a Muslim girl, covering his whole face leaving
only the eyes.
Again he bumped into the same old lady and she
said:

"Moses, nice meeting you again!"
Confused and puzzled he asked,"But how did you
recognize me ma'am?"

The old lady laughed out loud and said:
"Are you stupid or what? It's me Iwobi

I noticed same thing too Sir Tbaba. I found out only over 24 hours ago. I was initially shocked and tried to see if this was the same account I was following only to see that the pinned tweet and twitter @name is the same. It is just the person behind the acct that is different now.


Hmmmm.. na wa... and you did drop your concerns about his reporting shaa. Didn't even think it will have deeper repercussions. But Samm Audu has been in this Journalism business for some time now.... a good long time in fact. Haba. He should have known better and where to draw the lines in his reporting on the team. Sad but the change is necessary then.

tbaba1234:
Samm Audu has been banned from the training sessions for leaking the first 11 against Croatia. I always felt that he was giving too much info. Our news outlets are competing with each other to release team list first even to the detriment of the team. If your opponent know your line-up 2-3 days before the match, they can prepare for you.

A foreign journalist, Annette Braun is now covering the Nigerian team training for FIFA.

CC:thesupernerd

The best in this WC which has been my point from the start, will be determined by who goes farthest. I bet you Morocco will not be the team of the year when the verdict is out for the best team in Africa for the year 2018.

It would be stupid of me to say by Senegal reaching the final they are the best African football nation of all time. That one na yeye discussion sef

TheSuperNerd:
And I addressed his post differently from the way I addressed yours. You only didn't want to agree that WC performance is not enough to make an African team the best. You kept on harping on what one does on the world stage is to be more recognised than what one does on the continent. And I said nope, a balance of both is key. Simple point.

Icon4s:


As if it is not the same Mikel that played AM during the qualifiers.

Note again that Iwobi is not being played as a winger but as a Left or Right Attacking Midfielder.

So if Rohr chooses to start Mikel as the Central AM where would you rather Iwobi plays?

opkay ooo. let mikel play as AM. you are the only one suggesting this even on this thread. i visit other football forums. sir you are the only who i have i read suggesting mikel as AM. this is not the WCQ. its the WC, the real thing, baba.

Not of all time... But you did hint it that it will make them the best in Africa going forward.

Also, I said who goes farthest is to be termed the "most fortunate" not the best. And I already explained why in my several posts on this.

All I wanted to drive home is simple. WC performance is not indicative of Africa's Best. It is never enough. Afcon 2019 is just next year. We will know who is indeed Africa's Best.

Simple point: The best of both Worlds is what crowns one the best. Do well at the WC or at least have a decent showing and cap it up with Strong success on the African continent.

Joebie:
The best in this WC which has been my point from the start, will be determined by who goes farthest. I bet you Morocco will not be the team of the year when the verdict is out for the best team in Africa for the year 2018.

It would be stupid of me to say by Senegal reaching the final they are the best African football nation of all time. That one na yeye discussion sef

Mujtahida:

opkay ooo. let mikel play as AM. you are the only one suggesting this even on this thread. i visit other football forums. sir you are the only who i have i read suggesting mikel as AM. this is not the WCQ. its the WC, the real thing, baba.

I also agree with chief Icon4s. I saw somewhere that the slow Mikel had a higher average speed than over half the team, including Iwobi. Even the slow balogun was surprisingly on the fast side.

Okay Oga Morocco are the reigning African champs and they would be the national team of the year 2018 for their fine showing at the mundial as well. Hence they are the best. Satisfied now?

TheSuperNerd:
Yes you are. It is that simple. A WC performance does not make a team Africa's best all of a sudden. You argued for lengths trying to prove that it is all that matters and that you will pick a WC semi over an AFCON. See? So your "for now" is you giving it another color again. I mentioned my stance in the discussion and stuck with it. You changed yours.

TheSuperNerd:

I noticed same thing too Sir Tbaba. I found out only over 24 hours ago. I was initially shocked and tried to see if this was the same account I was following only to see that the pinned tweet and twitter @name is the same. It is just the person behind the acct that is different now.


Hmmmm.. na wa... and you did drop your concerns about his reporting shaa. Didn't even think it will have deeper repercussions. But Samm Audi has been in thus Journalism business for some time now. Haba. He should have known better and where to draw the lines in his reporting on the team. Sad but the change is necessary then.

the guy did not leal anything the opposition wouldn't have seen coming from conservative Rohr

He kuku did not pull any shock moves. Tomorrow, Ann Braun will predict first XI and she sef will be spot on.

Oh yes I still stand by that. Whoever wins the AFCON 2019 will have the bragging rights then. But before the next AFCON, the country that goes farthest in this WC will.

TheSuperNerd:

Not of all time... But you did hint it that it will make them the best in Africa going forward.

Also, I said who goes farthest is to be termed the "most fortunate" not the best. And I already explained why in my several posts on this.

All I wanted to drive home is simple. WC performance is not indicative of Africa's Best. It is never enough. Afcon 2019 is just next year. We will know who is indeed Africa's Best.

Simple point: The best of both Worlds is what crowns one the best. Do well at the WC or at least have a decent showing and cap it up with Strong success on the African continent.

Certitude:

I also agree with chief Icon4s. I saw somewhere that the slow Mikel had a higher average speed than over half the team, including Iwobi. Even the slow balogun was surprisingly on the fast side.

did you see the comparison between mikel and modric? iwobi should be the one playing behind the strikers not Mikel

safarigirl:
the guy did not leal anything the opposition wouldn't have seen coming from conservative Rohr

He kuku did not pull any shock moves. Tomorrow, Ann Braun will predict first XI and she sef will be spot on.

That what I was saying. How hard can it be to predict Nigeria's lineup?

BascoVanVeli:


That what I was saying. How hard can it be to predict Nigeria's lineup?

you no see say even bet companies no dey ask people to predict our line-up again?

Mujtahida:

did you see the comparison between mikel and modric? iwobi should be the one playing behind the strikers not Mikel

Why sir?

CHAN is home based. Crowning them the best for that is only focusing on one side. I speak of the Whole national team. You know what I am saying. Even The FIFA rankings will tell you another story. I think Tunisia is no.1. Lol... see? Cameroon are African Champs but are not number 1.

My point is simple. Very simple. WC performance is not and will never be the sole decider for an African team being the best team on the Continent for a large part of a period/timeline. It may fetch you an award in a year of the CAF awards, but flunking at the AFCON by failing to conquer Africa like Ghana have failed to do all this time, even after being crowned "CAF Team of the year" in 2010 just shows that being the best in Africa is more than just about reaching the QF or Round of 16 at the mundial.

A level of success on the world stage combined with Continental success gives you claim to being called Africa's BEST.

Even based on the qualifiers, Nigeria came out of the toughest group and even defeated the African champions massively. On the back of their WCQs performance alone, many referred to Nigeria as Africa's finest and most-in-form team at the moment but nothing is certain yet until we show some good stuffs at the mundial and at Afcon 2019.


For now the best team in Africa is still Cameroon because they are the Champions of Africa. Senegal is not. Nigeria is not. Not even Tunisia.

Joebie:
Okay Oga Morocco are the reigning African champs and they would be the national team of the year 2018 for their fine showing at the mundial as well. Hence they are the best. Satisfied now?

Honestly, I remember saying Samm was only making general talks on what he feels Nigeria can approach Croatia with. He was only making his own deductions and cooking up his own analytical lineups. But well, it seems it has landed him in this palava. Well shaa... back to Focus on the team for me. The sight of that new female Journalist really took me by surprise.

safarigirl:
the guy did not leal anything the opposition wouldn't have seen coming from conservative Rohr

He kuku did not pull any shock moves. Tomorrow, Ann Braun will predict first XI and she sef will be spot on.

Uruguay has just qualified for the round of 16

Do you still remember Marcus the Mystic pig? It prediction is still on course.

safarigirl:
na so.....who no get better players pass us? The whole world has better players than Nigeria.

Ahn ahn...na lie? How many of our players fit enter their first 11?

Lol... okay so that is just your personal projection now. Okay I understand. Lol... I suppose Both Nigeria and Algeria were Joint-Best in Africa then for their Brazil 2014 Finish abi.
Mind you, Nigeria had conquered Africa in 2013 and went in there as African Kings and still did well reaching the round of 16. Now that is what you call Africa's Best.

Joebie:
Oh yes I still stand by that. Whoever wins the AFCON 2019 will have the bragging rights then. But before the next AFCON, the country that goes farthest in this WC will.

Icon4s:


As if it is not the same Mikel that played AM during the qualifiers.

Note again that Iwobi is not being played as a winger but as a Left or Right Attacking Midfielder.

So if Rohr chooses to start Mikel as the Central AM where would you rather Iwobi plays?

Well we can now see that the African game is different from the big stage.
Even during the WCQ, I wanted Mikel playing deeper.

Joebie:
We should stop comparing our players to theirs. Iceland don’t have the best players. Lets focus on their fighting spirit as a unit.

True. But let's not write off their quality. It's crazy when the media see their win over Poland as an "upset"

Which is why I said the best and African champs a are two different things.

African champs is not open to debate. The best is subjective. Even what you just said is an opinion. Among us Africans if you asked “who is the best” after this WC, many would respond with the WC in view. Cameroon won’t even be on he lips of many non Africans especially looking at it from a global perspective since their presence want felt in Russia.

African champs is a title not open to debate, however the best is subjective especially in non AFCON years. At the CAF awards the verdict will be out for 2018 — this is where my opinion lies.

TheSuperNerd:
CHAN is home based. Crowning them the best for that is only focusing one side. I speak of the Whole national team. You know what I am saying. Even The FIFA rankings will tell you another story. I think Tunisia is no.1. Lol... see? Cameroon are African Champs but are not number 1.

My point is simple. Very simple. WC performance is not and will never be the sole decider for an African team being the best team on the Continent for a large part of a period/timeline. It may fetch you an award in a year of the CAF awards, but flunking at the AFCON by failing to conquer Africa like Ghana have failed to do all this time, even after being crowned "CAF Team of the year" in 2010 just shows that being the best in Africa is more than just about reaching the QF or Round of 16 at the mundial.

A level of success on the world stage combined with Continental success gives you claim to being called Africa's BEST.

Even based on the qualifiers, Nigeria came out of the toughest group and even defeated the African champions massively. On the back of their WCQs performance alone, many referred to Nigeria as Africa's finest and most-in-form team at the moment but nothing is certain yet until we show some good stuffs at the mundial and at Afcon 2019.


For now the best team in Africa is still Cameroon because they are the Champions of Africa. Senegal is not. Nigeria is not. Not even Tunisia.

I pity Spain in this tournament. Every team wants to defend against them. It's not easy playing against a team that has 11 players behind the ball #IranVsSpain