Another serious problem with Christianity is this; Redemption through Jesus death on the cross cannot be actualised in the life of the Old Testament saints (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because this redemption work was yet to happen as at that time.Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconcilation back to God before they die (unless you can show me a biblical verse to prove that these old testament saints were in a state of damnation until Jesus crucifixion ). So if these old testament saints, who happened to be among the children of Adam, can gain eternal life without Jesus crucifixion, then there is alternative way also for other children of Adam to gain eternal life other than Jesus crucifixion. Therefore, there is no need for God to curse and condemn his beloved prophet almost unclad on the cross before we can earn our salvation.
But all these problems you pretend as if they do not exist and you are asking me to accept something that is totally foolish to my logical reasoning. Do you think God can just ask us to believe in anything? If someone ask you to believe that God of truth must commit an act of lying before we can earn our salvation, will you believe such a nonsense. But now you believe God of mercy must cursed his beloved prophet for the sins he had not committef before we can earn our salvation. Dont worry what cover your eyes from not seeing this truth will be removed when you enter the grave.

Another serious problem with Christianity is this; Redemption through Jesus death on the cross cannot be actualised in the life of the Old Testament saints (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because this redemption work was yet to happen as at that time.Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconcilation back to God before they die (unless you can show me a biblical verse to prove that these old testament saints were in a state of damnation until Jesus crucifixion ). So if these old testament saints, who happened to be among the children of Adam, can gain eternal life without Jesus crucifixion, then there is alternative way also for other children of Adam to gain eternal life other than Jesus crucifixion. Therefore, there is no need for God to curse and condemn his beloved prophet almost unclad on the cross before we can earn our salvation. But all these problems you pretend as if they do not exist and you are asking me to accept something that is totally foolish to my logical reasoning. Do you think God can just ask us to believe in anything? If someone ask you to believe that God of truth must commit an act of lying before we can earn our salvation, will you believe such a nonsense. But now you believe God of mercy must cursed his beloved prophet for the sins he had not committef before we can earn our salvation. Dont worry what cover your eyes from not seeing this truth will be removed when you enter the grave.

Another serious problem with Christianity is this; Redemption through Jesus death on the cross cannot be actualised in the life of the Old Testament saints (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because this redemption work was yet to happen as at that time.Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconcilation back to God before they die (unless you can show me a biblical verse to prove that these old testament saints were in a state of damnation until Jesus crucifixion ). So if these old testament saints, who happened to be among the children of Adam, can gain eternal life without Jesus crucifixion, then there is alternative way also for other children of Adam to gain eternal life other than Jesus crucifixion. Therefore, there is no need for God to curse and condemn his beloved prophet almost unclad on the cross before we can earn our salvation. But all these problems you pretend as if they do not exist and you are asking me to accept something that is totally foolish to my logical reasoning. Do you think God can just ask us to believe in anything? If someone ask you to believe that God of truth must commit an act of lying before we can earn our salvation, will you believe such a nonsense. But now you believe God of mercy must cursed his beloved prophet for the sins he had not committef before we can earn our salvation. Dont worry what cover your eyes from not seeing this truth will be removed when you enter the grave.

Abdulgaffar22:
The major problem with Christianity is explained below. Please ponder over it very well. This problem alone is enough for any wise person to discover that christianity is fake.

Condemnation of an innocent and righteous
soul for the sins he has never committed is
illogical and act of injustice that is clearly
forbidden in the Bible (Matthew 12:7, Proverb
17:15, Exodus 23:7, Psalm 34:22). Besides, Bible
make it clear that any one that is crucified is
accursed by God ( Galatians 3:13). How then are
we to conceive a merciful God putting His beloved
prophet under His curse when God of course knew
that Jesus never did anything wrong? A beloved
prophet of God under the curse of God? What a
contradiction ! God must have chosen a more
rational way to earn our salvation ( other than
cursing and condemning His beloved prophet) if
truly He is All-powerful and All-knowing creator
that planned everything from begining to end. Yes,
the rational way which God has chosen to earn
our salvation is sincere repentance: “Son of man,
say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying:
our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are
wasting away because of them. How then can we
live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the
sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of
the wicked, but rather that they turn from their
ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways!
Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son
of man say to your people… if someone, one who
is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former
wickedness will not bring condemnation… And if I
say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but
they then turn from their sins and do what is just
and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do
no evil--THAT PERSON WILL SURELY LIVE :THEY
WILL NOT DIE. NONE OF THE SINS that person
has committed will be remembered against
them.They have done what is just and right; they
will surely live(Ezekiel 33:10-16)" . You can see
that God did not ask the wicked sinners to believe
in Jesus crucifixion before their sins can be
forgiven (or before they can live) in all these
verses. What He actually wants from them is
sincere repentance from their sinful ways. Qur'an
also pass the same message: O you who believe!
Turn to Allah with sincere repentance! It may be
that your Lord will remit from you your sins, and
admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow
(Qur'an 66:

You're mixing everything together without arriving at a point! God promised that Israelites would continue to live before HIM as long as they're doing what is right before HIM,but they're still dying both righteous and unrighteous together! So that brings US back to the point raise in the garden of Eden that Adam will live forever if he didn't eat of the forbidden fruit. Adam ate anyway and that's why we're all dying till today both good and evil,God's promise to the Israelites was not to live forever as Adam would have lived. Therefore Jesus' ransom sacrifice is to return obedient mankind back to that perfect condition lost by Adam, that's the significance of the promise of a Messiah! Genesis 3:15,17:19-21,21:12 Throughout their generation Israelites were expecting the Messiah. John 4:25 So if you don't understand why Jesus must die for our sin, all you need to do is humbly demand for a reason and wait patiently for response. I've told you that Jehovah's witnesses are ready to show all the scriptures that prophesied what will happen to the Messiah and how He will be killed for our sins in the Old Testament before everything came to fulfilment in the New Testament! So don't be too hasty because of what that Arabian who ran away when his own followers were dying for him taught you because Jesus is far far different from Muhammad!

Abdulgaffar22:
Another serious problem with Christianity is this;
Redemption through Jesus death on the cross
cannot be actualised in the life of the Old
Testament saints (like Abraham, Isaac,
Jacob,Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because this
redemption work was yet to happen as at that
time.Yet these people manage to earn their
salvation and reconcilation back to God before
they die (unless you can show me a biblical verse
to prove that these old testament saints were in a
state of damnation until Jesus crucifixion ). So if
these old testament saints, who happened to be
among the children of Adam, can gain eternal life
without Jesus crucifixion, then there is alternative
way also for other children of Adam to gain
eternal life other than Jesus crucifixion. Therefore,
there is no need for God to curse and condemn
his beloved prophet almost unclad on the cross
before we can earn our salvation.
But all these problems you pretend as if they do
not exist and you are asking me to accept
something that is totally foolish to my logical
reasoning. Do you think God can just ask us to
believe in anything? If someone ask you to
believe that God of truth must commit an act of
lying before we can earn our salvation, will you
believe such a nonsense. But now you believe
God of mercy must cursed his beloved prophet for
the sins he had not committef before we can earn
our salvation. Dont worry what cover your eyes
from not seeing this truth will be removed when
you enter the grave.

If they're qualified for everlasting life then what is the purpose of God promising a Messiah? Well you're determined to stick to Islam but let me just tell you that there's no activity after death. The dead are conscious of nothing, they can't see, smell, hear, touch or feel anything because they're DEAD! Ecclesiastes 3:19,20,9:5,6,10 Jehovah has no program for the dead but the living so no matter what anybody does now the overall punishment is death (nonexistence) and such a person will not have the chance again to cause others pain anymore! Jeremiah 7:31Therefore if you're been forced to keep using your head to touch the ground often just for the fear of further suffering after death, it's a big lie oooo God has no business with the dead instead HE is planning to raise them for a better life and that is those who merit it. Remember before God made Adam from clay there was nothing like Adam so at death Adam return to nonexistence!

Abdulgaffar22:
Another serious problem with .......

Islam:
You Moslems today believe a person must say the 'Shahada' to be moslem. Did any of these old patriarchs you claim are Moslems say it? Did they know Mohamed? How then was Islam actualized in their lives?

If you accept that they gained eternal life without Mohamed and the quran then it means Islam is not necessarily the route to gain life. If so, why are you hung up on it?

There are lots of prophecies showing that none of Adam's offspring is qualified to gain everlasting life but the mentality of Ishmael (impatience) is in Islam that's why you're too hasty to conclude without thorough meditation of the scriptures. Right from the time Adam and Eve were driven out of Eden God promised obedient children of Adam that there is going to be a release from the curse Adam brought on them.That is why God kept talking about a SEED and all faithful servants of God we're expecting that SEED until the arrival of Jesus. Psalms 110:1-4 Isaiah 9:6,7 Jeremiah 31:31-34 Daniel 2:44 just to mention different few prophecies pointing to the activities of the coming Messiah! This is what the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob inspired the prophets all of whom we're children of Jacob (Israel) to pen down. So you can't expect a descendant of Ishmael with whom God said "my covenant is not to be established with him" (Genesis 17:19-21) to understand all these sacred secrets because he can't just grasp due to impatience(Genesis 16:11,12) Instead he'll be too hasty to conclude and that's why all those following his fabrications are terrorists today! You can check all those scriptures,i quoted them in response to your question "show me where God said faithful ones of old aren't having salvation until Jesus' ransom sacrifice" The Bible is clear that they're all dead and it's until God's Kingdom under Jesus begin ruling for a thousand years that Jesus will raise all of them for the final test! Your impatience is the result of Islam running in your veins and that's the reason why Muslims often resort to killing people as they're too hasty to force others to conform to their religion. So it's either you humble yourself to learn or stick to your Quran and stop thinking that everyone will just abandon their beliefs only to follow a confused descendant of Ishmael!

Abdulgaffar22:
Another serious problem with Christianity is this;
Redemption through Jesus death on the cross

Look at some problems with Islam & the Quran:
1. A religion of peace ......... Strive hard against unbelievers & do not be friends of Jews and Christians and pagans

2. We worship only one god ...... We believe in both Allah and Mohamed

3. Allah is the way to Paradise ....... You must believe both Allah and Mohamed to enter Paradise

4. You must not associate anything with Allah ....... We must pray also to Mohamed everyday, kiss a black stone in Mecca, run between two hills and go around Kabba

5. We give you instructions ........ We abrogate the instructions

“Those who can make you believe
absurdities can make you commit atrocities”. - Voltaire

plainbibletruth:

Islam:
You Moslems today believe a person must say the 'Shahada' to be moslem. Did any of these old patriarchs you claim are Moslems say it? Did they know Mohamed? How then was Islam actualized in their lives?

If you accept that they gained eternal life without Mohamed and the quran then it means Islam is not necessarily the route to gain life. If so, why are you hung up on it?

He thought everyone will be that stupid to conclude hastily because Muhammad claims to be a prophet and instructed his slaves to pen down some fabricated stories so what God has spoken through so many prophets of old is no more relevant! Thanks for making his stupidity obvious, of course if he doesn't agree that Christ's ransom sacrifice will benefit ancient faithful men then Islam brought by Muhammad in the 6th century about 570 years after Jesus should be a total fallacy!

Seun this sort of posts should not be allowed on this section the same way I will not bellowed to make posts on the islamic section without pledging allegiance to a paedophile

plainbibletruth:

Look at some problems with Islam & the Quran:
1. A religion of peace ......... Strive hard against unbelievers & do not be friends of Jews and Christians and pagans

2. We worship only one god ...... We believe in both Allah and Mohamed

3. Allah is the way to Paradise ....... You must believe both Allah and Mohamed to enter Paradise

4. You must not associate anything with Allah ....... We must pray also to Mohamed everyday, kiss a black stone in Mecca, run between two hills and go around Kabba

5. We give you instructions ........ We abrogate the instructions

“Those who can make you believe
absurdities can make you commit atrocities”. - Voltaire

Just ask him to narrate the biography,life and activities of Muhammad after all charity should begin at home. So let us know the story of the person who claims to be a prophet of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob that the true God inspired to write the Quran! Certainly God will not expect honesthearted people to agree,follow and be taught by someone with no virtuous lifestyle or character.

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PaChukwudi44:
Seun this sort of posts should not be allowed on this section the same way I will not bellowed to make posts on the islamic section without pledging allegiance to a paedophile

Please don't bring up that one because the religion knows no bounds so there's nothing like pedophilia in their dictionary as a man of 40 years can decide to marry a girl as little as 12 or 13 years and since their 6th century prophet didn't understand the word pedophilia nor say anything pertaining to it it's OK by them!