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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by semid4lyfe(m): 1:14pm On Jun 27, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Simply not good enough does not work. You need to explain why. I told you, watch Nacho's off-the-ball Contribution yesterday and tell me such a hard working player has no place in the National team.

1. Nacho is not a natural fit in any position from midfield to attack. He's quite inept as a 10, 8 or 9.

2. His skill set is very limited & poor. Poor first touch, poor ball control, no dribbling skills etc

3. No pace at all.

4. No aerial threat, poor hold up play ability etc etc

Going forward, the dead weights & players who add no value to the team must be dropped. I consider Nacho to be one of them. We have better & suitable replacements out there.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:35pm On Jun 27, 2018
Lovely! What happened to Iwobi who has a psychological advantage in this match up?

Kog45:
Sir,before the match I posted recent performance of Ighalo and Iheanacho which wasn't good enough but some turned it to Ighalo vs Iheanacho

Imagine our two strikers went goal drought in the last 5 matches before WC and failed to get ordinary assist prior to Argentina match,both were blunt and abysmal against Croatia and Iceland.And what happened against Argentina they failed woefully.

Ighalo and Iheanacho failed us when it matter most though Ighalo miss hurt and i think this is the time for him to quit with the likes of Daniel Akpeyi,Ekene Ezenwa,Ogenyi Onazi,Echiejile Elderson and Joel Obi.

Iheanacho was rated the worst player yesterday.

Ighalo and Iheanacho are the worst Nigeria player at 2018 WC,no sentiment and my candid opinion.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:38pm On Jun 27, 2018
The question is was he in the air when he nodded the ball? If yes, I must say it’s not easy to keep the hands down while attempting to head the ball in the air.

Loogan:

When you want to defend a cross one of the basics is for your arms not to be lifted, the head is what is needed, rojos arms were so high, he nodded the ball and it hits his arm, how can you say that is not a penalty? This is not ball to hand, he attempted a header he didn’t get the hit and it took a deflection of his hand.
If the rules cannot be applied to other wc matches like the Iran potugal match, you cannot justify them enough.
The kick on nacho head in the box was without doubt a penalty
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:41pm On Jun 27, 2018
I agree.

edi287:
Rohr practically used this WC as a learning experience. The guy was not joking when he said he was preparing for 2022. The only problem I have with that is he'll be like 68 and I doubt he has it in him to reinvent himself. Never been an attacking coach and won't start now.
At least he has learned to play Mikel deeper thanks to Okocha and José Mourinho
Well he has the AFCON qualifiers and AFCON to prove himself. If he fails at both - he gets the boot. Personally I'd fire him right away but let's have "continuity".
Yes this was a tough group and yes we were underdogs from the start, but that should never absolve Rohr of some big mistakes he made in this tourney.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by OMANBALA1: 1:48pm On Jun 27, 2018
TheLoneCitizen:



No I don't, please could you enlighten me.

Why are you using the word if you don't know what it means. What did Rohr revolutionize in the Super Eagles? Is there something new he brought to the team ?
Keep quiet if you don't know what to write and don't use Rohr and revolution in the same sentence. A man without vision, ideology nor plan.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:54pm On Jun 27, 2018
semid4lyfe:


1. Nacho is not a natural fit in any position from midfield to attack. He's quite inept as a 10, 8 or 9.

2. His skill set is very limited & poor. Poor first touch, poor ball control, no dribbling skills etc

3. No pace at all.

4. No aerial threat, poor hold up play ability etc etc

Going forward, the dead weights & players who add no value to the team must be dropped. I consider Nacho to be one of them. We have better & suitable replacements out there.


You are really not explaining anything. What is Nacho is not fit to play. That is a joke.

I told you, take your time and watch his off the ball performance, he was good. On the ball, it was difficult for Nacho due to the pace of the Argentines. If Moses and Musa who I rate as our best when it comes to moving the ball with pace found it difficult. Musa later had freedom when we scored and the Argentines were in search of the goal, if not the whole team found it difficult keeping the ball.

That is down to the brilliant way Sampaoli had conditioned their team to play unlike our team groomed in a conservative manner.

My point is so simple. Nacho can not be categorised as poor in that game if you look at the amount of work he put in to battle the Argentines from having comfort. Not exonerating him but demanding balanced analysis.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 1:56pm On Jun 27, 2018
Joebie:
Lovely! What happened to Iwobi who has a psychological advantage in this match up?

Remember i said if I have my way it's Musa/Iwobi cos they have psychological advantage over Argentina but you know that Rohr will not.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Certitude(m): 1:57pm On Jun 27, 2018
I don't see why anyone thinks Idowu was bad yesterday. I feel he has made that left spot his. If Ebuehi was to come in, it should have been for Iheanacho, with Moses moved upfront.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 1:57pm On Jun 27, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


No way. Rojo had Zero intention to head the ball to his hand. Accidental in every way and no penalty.

Finito.
It is very clear you are not abrest with laws governing the game. Someone posted screenshot of the law, please read it in full.
By the way, what was the difference between this incident and that of Portugal? Do you think the Iranian deliberately handled the ball?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:59pm On Jun 27, 2018
forgiveness:



Why are you being mischievous, huh?

Did you read the last sentence that said whether it is intentionally or unintentionally?

Oya! show it full.

The outstretched part of the write up is when trying to judge if it accidental or not. If a player outstretches his arm and an opponent plays the ball, it is taken that the player stretched his arms intentionally to deny the opposition a scoring opportunity.

In this case Rojo's arms were not totally outstretched. He jumped to nod the ball, nodded it and accidentally it hit his hand. Never intentional and purely accidental. No way a penalty.

Finito.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:01pm On Jun 27, 2018
Certitude:
I don't see why anyone thinks Idowu was bad yesterday. I feel he has made that left spot his. If Ebuehi was to come in, it should have been for Iheanacho, with Moses moved upfront.

So simple. How Rohr missed it beat my intention. We were lucky we got the penalty if not it would have been even worse. Rohr just showed us down with that move.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 2:01pm On Jun 27, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


You are really not explaining anything. What is Nacho is not fit to play. That is a joke.

I told you, take your time and watch his off the ball performance, he was good. On the ball, it was difficult for Nacho due to the pace of the Argentines. If Moses and Musa who I rate as our best when it comes to moving the ball with pace found it difficult. Musa later had freedom when we scored and the Argentines were in search of the goal, if not the whole team found it difficult keeping the ball.

That is down to the brilliant way Sampaoli had conditioned their team to play unlike our team groomed in a conservative manner.

My point is so simple. Nacho can not be categorised as poor in that game if you look at the amount of work he put in to battle the Argentines from having comfort. Not exonerating him but demanding balanced analysis.
This write up is one hell of a poor excuse for the rubbish kelechi played. Very weak defense.
I find it odd you have never seen iheanacho play badly either for club or country.
If the guy is not paying you to do this online PR then you should stop.
Your image is at stake here.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:02pm On Jun 27, 2018
goldfish80:

It is very clear you are abrest with laws governing the game. Someone posted screenshot of the law, please read it in full.
By the way, what was the difference between this incident and that of Portugal? Do you think the Iranian deliberately handled the ball?

All the other part of the rule does not change the introduction. Was it an accident or not? It was purely accidental. No penalty.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:08pm On Jun 27, 2018
goldfish80:

This write up is one hell of a poor excuse for the rubbish kelechi played. Very weak defense.
I find it odd you have never seen iheanacho play badly either for club or country.
If the guy is not paying you to do this online PR then you should stop.
Your image is at stake here.

I am not making an excuse for nobody. I also hammered that Iheanacho was the one I would have taken off because he could not cause the Argentines harm due to their pace. If we went in half time 0-0, I would have wanted Nacho on a bit more because of his defensive input. Nacho was a Warrior in that game when we were not with the ball. It is funny trying to write that off. No one, I repeat no one could offer much on the ball. We barely held the ball but handed it back to Argentina repeatedly.

Players are judged by their overall contributions.

That is why people like you did not want us to hear with big striker.

Kah.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 2:09pm On Jun 27, 2018
goldfish80:

This write up is one hell of a poor excuse for the rubbish kelechi played. Very weak defense.
I find it odd you have never seen iheanacho play badly either for club or country.
If the guy is not paying you to do this online PR then you should stop.
Your image is at stake here.
goldfish80 baba,Kilode

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:11pm On Jun 27, 2018
goldfish80:

This write up is one hell of a poor excuse for the rubbish kelechi played. Very weak defense.
I find it odd you have never seen iheanacho play badly either for club or country.
If the guy is not paying you to do this online PR then you should stop.
Your image is at stake here.

One hell of a myopic point. If Nacho is paying me, will I be crying he was the one to go off? It is just that there are people like you when you can not make a point you flaunt baseless accusation.

I hope you are satisfied with your big striker.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:15pm On Jun 27, 2018
I hope the accusers can chill. Maybe FIFA is paying me. No, Mikel, No Osaze, oh I forgot Keshi. Maybe it is Ndidi. Maybe Amunike.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:17pm On Jun 27, 2018
Clearly an accident if the ball bounces of your body to your arm.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:22pm On Jun 27, 2018
rohr will be retained so its better you start searching for a transformer to hug
OMANBALA1:
Goodness, this coach is so clueless and anybody trying to keep him is crazy!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:23pm On Jun 27, 2018
Thank you
Certitude:
I don't see why anyone thinks Idowu was bad yesterday. I feel he has made that left spot his. If Ebuehi was to come in, it should have been for Iheanacho, with Moses moved upfront.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 2:26pm On Jun 27, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


One hell of a myopic point. If Nacho is paying me, will I be crying he was the one to go off? It is just that there are people like you when you can not make a point you flaunt baseless accusation.

I hope you are satisfied with your big striker.

Even with the miss, Ighalo was better rated than Kelechi in not less than 5 different websites, both foreign and local.
His physical presence turned the game when he came on. As a matter of fact, part of the reason you got an equalizer was due to his influence.

The fact that Kelechi was rated the poorest player for Ngr is a damning verdict on all your talks about his runs up and down chasing defenders.
Look, I will be very blunt, with the rate that guy is going, he could end up playing lower league football at the expiration of his contract with Leicester.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:29pm On Jun 27, 2018
His hands were in the natural position. Like I said earlier it’s difficult to jump in the air and keep your hands down by your side. If he headed the ball while standing, outstretched arms would be illegal. That wasn’t a penalty.

TheGoodJoe:


The outstretched part of the write up is when trying to judge if it accidental or not. If a player outstretches his arm and an opponent plays the ball, it is taken that the player stretched his arms intentionally to deny the opposition a scoring opportunity.

In this case Rojo's arms were not totally outstretched. He jumped to nod the ball, nodded it and accidentally it hit his hand. Never intentional and purely accidental. No way a penalty.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 2:32pm On Jun 27, 2018
charlesemeka85:
rohr will be retained so its better you start searching for a transformer to hug
Definitely he will be retained but he need tactically good assistants or else get sack in a disgraceful way.

No excuses at afcon 2019 and remember we already lost to South Africa at home.

Nigerians are not smiling right now o so no need for anyone to hug transformer.Rohr should just tell us he is the right man at afcon 2019 to lead us to Qatar 2022.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 2:32pm On Jun 27, 2018
Kog45:
goldfish80 baba,Kilode
Dont you find it a bit insulting to hear someone say Kelechi was good last night? The overindulgence of these type of talks made the younger posters loose guard of their expectations before the world cup.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 2:33pm On Jun 27, 2018
grin


It's so funny Ighalo was almost skinned Alive for the Misses, cos Nigeria Fans are/were looking for a Scapegoat. Yes, Ighalo missed the Chances (twice) but it ain't as bad as we are portraying it - in fact many Strikers would miss the Chances as well.

Are the Chances goal-begging types?! The first Chance was more a rebound, he ain't so free to calm and perfectly slot in the Ball into the Net.

The second Chance - he wriggled his way towards the Goal, but the Post was well covered by the Keeper. Did he make attempts at Goal - yes he did!

Iheanacho was completely lost in the first Half. He added nothing positive to the Team, cos I ain't buying off the Ball Ish! The Niggä is damn overrated on this Thread. I remembered he was described as Messi and Ronaldo in ONE - LOL!

Some of us on this Thread have no moral right to judge or castigate the Team and it's Handlers. We made many ghost Followers bought into Hypes. Many were attracted because of the Over-Hypes.

Can we blame them for ranting and wailing?! We can't, cos we package Gari for them as Corn-flakes. Sold Buns to them as Egg-Rolls. So what do you expect from them after finding out the Truth?!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:35pm On Jun 27, 2018
goldfish80:


Even with the miss, Ighalo was better rated than Kelechi in not less than 5 different websites, both foreign and local.
His physical presence turned the game when he came on. As a matter of fact, part of the reason you got an equalizer was due to his influence.

The fact that Kelechi was rated the poorest player for Ngr is a damning verdict on all your talks about his runs up and down chasing defenders.
Look, I will be very blunt, with the rate that guy is going, he could end up playing lower league football at the expiration of his contract with Leicester.

Why will Ighalo not be rated higher than Nacho when he played mostly when Argentina was looking for a winner. Argentina removed players to attack. It is simple.

Nacho will excel whether people like it or not his talent is undoubted if we continue deceiving ourselves and not do things the right way. He will find himself sooner or later in the right system and he will eplode. His work rate and determination yesterday is enough to show his quality.

Argentina controlled the first half to the F. Watching football tells you in such situations the attackers find it difficult.

Nacho will excel.

As for yesterday's game, his overall contributions was not poor because of the hard Work he put in. A Thousand sites writing negative review does not change that.

You can praise Ighalo but the fact is, Mikel has to do lots of the heavy lifting for him.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:36pm On Jun 27, 2018
Oasis007:
grin


It's so funny Ighalo was almost skinned Alive for the Misses, cos Nigeria Fans are looking for a Scapegoat. Yes, Ighalo missed the Chances (twice) but it ain't as bad as Yakubu Miss - in fact many Strikers would miss the Chances as well.

Are the Chances goal-begging types?! The first Chance was more a rebound, he ain't so free to calm and perfectly slot in the Ball into the Net.

The second Chance - he wriggled his way towards the Goal, but the Post was well covered by the Keeper. Did he make attempts at Goal - yes he did!

Iheanacho was completely lost in the first Half. He added nothing positive to the Team, cos I ain't buying off the Ball Ish! The Niggä is damn overrated on this Thread. I remembered he was described as Messi and Ronaldo in ONE - LOL!

Some of us on this Thread have no moral right to judge or castigate the Team and it's Handlers. We made many ghost Followers bought into Hypes. Many were attracted because if the Over-Hypes.

Can we blame them for ranting and wailing?! We can't, cos we package Gari for them as Corn-flakes. Sold Buns to them as Egg-Rolls. So what do you expect from them after finding out they've been misinformed?!

More like you did not watch and will not watch the off-the-ball movement but want to argue against it. Watch then decide for yourself.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 2:38pm On Jun 27, 2018
TheGoodJoe:
I hope the accusers can chill. Maybe FIFA is paying me. No, Mikel, No Osaze, oh I forgot Keshi. Maybe it is Ndidi. Maybe Amunike.
The ball didn't bounce off Rojo's head. He actually headed the ball, totally different scenario.
He had all the time to head the ball away but instead headed it straight to his arm.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 2:38pm On Jun 27, 2018
goldfish80:

Dont you find it a bit insulting to hear someone say Kelechi was good last night? The overindulgence of these type of talks made the younger posters loose guard of their expectations before the world cup.
Baba you know how e dey roll here na.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:39pm On Jun 27, 2018
goldfish80:

Dont you find it a bit insulting to hear someone say Kelechi was good last night? The overindulgence of these type of talks made the younger posters loose guard of their expectations before the world cup.

Simple point. Overall Contribution was not poor because of the other things he brought. How that turns to a good performance baffles me. I repeat. Nacho was my pick for substitution but Ighalo was not the one to come in. Ebuehi was to come in, Moses pushes front to help with the pace.

Na wa.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:41pm On Jun 27, 2018
goldfish80:

The ball didn't bounce off Rojo's head. He actually headed the ball, totally different scenario.
He had all the time to head the ball away but instead headed it straight to his arm.

When you head the ball, the ball still bounces. No debate. It was a clear accident.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Bunique: 2:45pm On Jun 27, 2018
I don't think we lose the game due to tactics. we should stop blaming Rohr and judge the game on it own. no matter the tactics we would have employed, we would have needed players no execute it and some players let us down yesterday.
we had chances to score goals, what tactics do you need for Ighalo to score that chance? what ever tactics Argentina used it was still down to how they utilized it. we had better chances, if Rojo could score, what stopped ighalo from scoring that chance. lastly why was Rojo standing alone inside our box and had the calmness to bury that cross. as players certain things are basic you don't need the coach to tell you to pick each opposing players.

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