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The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Vianna(f): 8:40pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
His name was Jim Jones. An American religious leader, he considered Jesus Christ as being in compliance with an overarching belief in socialism as the correct social order. He was a false Messiah who deceived people who were looking for enlightenment. Jones was responsible for a mass suicide involving more than nine hundred followers in Jonestown, Guyana, 1978. His organization, the peoples temple started out as a church. His weapon was his charisma and his unrivalled ability to convince people Jim Jones began his ministry as a Methodist, accepting a position as student pastor at Somerset Methodist Church in Indianapolis in June 1952. He remained in that denomination four years, even as he participated in the services of the Laurel Street Tabernacle – a Pentecostal Church – and eventually founded the church that would become Peoples Temple. In 1956, he became an ordained minister in the Independent Assemblies of God. https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=13778 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX1p5Xaz1BY 1 Like
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Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Vianna(f): 8:48pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
In a recorded tape, Jones urged Temple members to commit "revolutionary suicide". Such an act had been planned by the Temple before and, according to Jonestown defectors, its theory was "you can go down in history, saying you chose your own way to go, and it is your commitment to refuse capitalism and in support of socialism." This happened after US Congressman Leo Ryan traveled to Guyana to inspect the Peoples Temple’s activities and the Jonestown compound. Some members of the peoples temple attacked Ryan, killing him.in the process. This prompted Jones to order his members to march outside and drink a concoction of cyanide, Valium and chloral hydrate. Surprisingly and shockingly, they all did.
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Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by dominique(f): 8:49pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
I think that was the biggest mass suicide in history. 1 Like |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by RuthlessLeader(m): 8:52pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Religious fanatics. |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Blakjewelry(m): 8:56pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
that is 909 fools 1 Like |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by hopefulLandlord: 8:58pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
dominique: Yes it is |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by damtan(m): 9:00pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Blind followers. common sense could have saved them. |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Vianna(f): 9:04pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
November 1978, U.S. Congressman Leo Ryan traveled to Guyana to inspect the Peoples Temple’s activities and the Jonestown compound. During an air travel with the delegation, Jones was heard saying one of those people on that plane is gonna shoot the pilot, I know that. I didn't plan it but I know it's gonna happen. They're gonna shoot that pilot and down comes the plane into the jungle and we had better not have any of our children left when it's over, because they'll parachute in here on us. Temple members then launched an attack at the airstrip from which Ryan and his company were to depart. Five people, including Ryan and three members of the press, were shot and killed, and 11 others were wounded. This prompted Jones to order every single member to march outside and kill themselves with a concoction of Valium, chloral hydrate, cyanide and Phenergan.
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Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Butterflyleo: 9:05pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Vianna: OP you have your information wrong. Jim Jones was an atheist and was not a so called religious leader. This is from his wikipedia page. In a 1976 phone conversation with John Maher, Jones alternately stated that he was an agnostic and an atheist And also from reddit which happens to be an atheist forum, they confirmed it. Reverend Jones himself was an Agnostic Atheist, to be precise. I've heard a lot about the fictional deaths of Egyptian babies during the Exodus and how a god that doesn't exist is extremely evil. In 1978 at Jonestown, Jim Jones brutally poisoned and murdered 303 real children and their parents, for a grand total of 909 people. Next time do your research well before posting false information. He was a Marxist and Marxists are atheists. He had been influenced strongly by Communism and this brought about this very terrible case of a mass suicide. He was not a religious fanatic. He was an atheist fanatic. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Goodness4525: 9:06pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Religion 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by GavelSlam: 9:08pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
The Guyana Tragedy. Religion Kills more than anything . |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Butterflyleo: 9:13pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
GavelSlam: Religion had absolutely nothing to do with this. It was all about Atheism. Educate yourself here. https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=64856 Jim Jones was a Marxist and Marxists are atheists. His leaked FBI files which I chanced upon some period ago exposed it all. However a few extracts are mixed in with the link I just posted as the write up borrowed some authoritative information from there. Do not be deceived by the Reverend title he had, that was before he became an atheist and since he still had a congregation, the title stuck but he was dedicated to making his congregation atheists like he was and he succeeded and he even confessed to that when he said his congregation were 90% atheist. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by hopefulLandlord: 9:15pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
GavelSlam: You'll never know, those 900 people might be in an afterlife of socialist utopia enjoying forever and ever I think we should all kill ourselves to join them. what have we got to lose if they're wrong? nothing, but if they're right we get to enjoy forever Blaise Pascal (Pascal's wager 2 Likes |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Vianna(f): 9:30pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
GavelSlam:Thanks. Even in the link he provided, it was clearly written he was an ordained pastor. Whether he later converted to atheism, what is known is that he was a pastor and he established the peoples temple which he used to gather followers. However I've changed the topic from "man of God " to "religious leader". That should ease his vexation. Dominique lalasticlala |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Butterflyleo: 9:33pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Vianna: Yes he was before he now became an atheist. Check the dates. This suicide happened in 1978, he became an atheist 2 or 3 years before that and began so eloquently converting his members to his new Marxist/communist ideology for communal living. His ordination isn't the focus. With his own mouth he confessed to being an atheist/agnostic atheist. So what then are you trying to say? He was ordained in 1956 and with his own mouth confessed to becoming an atheist in 1975/1976 which was 2 years before this mass suicide. For close to 20years as a Christian he was good but within 2 years of becoming an atheist he orchestrated one of the worst mass suicides in history. Go figure. 3 Likes |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by GavelSlam: 9:37pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: There's nothing to study. I read the book by the name I called it when I was much younger. Seen so many documentaries and related articles . Don't you guys get tired of deflecting long established facts? Reverend Jones was an Apostolic preacher who gained a whole load of converts. He mover his commune to Guyana. The people were killed as a result of their reverence to him and their gross stupidity. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Butterflyleo: 9:41pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
GavelSlam: I am not deflecting. I am actually dropping facts. Long established facts. https://www.sixteensmallstones.org/dont-drink-the-kool-aid-jonestown-was-an-atheist-marxist-socialist-cult/amp/ 2 Likes
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Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by MrBrownJay1(m): 9:42pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
RELIGIOUS DONKEYS following a mad man in robe! lol |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Butterflyleo: 9:47pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
vianna read up Jim Jones used religion to foster his atheism. Read the link I posted where these screengrabs came from. Even his wife said the same thing I am saying. 2 Likes
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Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by hopefulLandlord: 9:49pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
GavelSlam: This is so true, whether he's an atheist/theist is beside the point The main point is that his movement was either religious from the onset or became one as it grew or moved from one idea of religion to another. he used the same tricks used in religions to brainwash his members into killing themselves. There's no way this can actually work on a critical thinker who questions religious claims like the average Nairaland atheist who's irreligious. Jones became their "Messiah" who would save them from the evils of capitalism if they believe in him hard enough. sounds like a certain character from the Jewish mythology, doesn't it? All he (probably) did was create a religion around the idea of socialism, systematically brainwash his already religious members into adopting his new religion and this lead to mass suicide Whether Jones is an atheist/theist, religion still gets all the blame as an atheist can in fact be religious and incidences like this are one extra reason to be an Antitheist who sees religious ideas and its uses as nonsensical, something that should be pushed back upon, fought tooth and nail and gotten rid of systematically. it fosters groupthink and inability to go against the grain 2 Likes |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Vianna(f): 9:51pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Are you minding that pastor of RCCG? You should know why he's so pained. 1 Like |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Butterflyleo: 9:54pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Vianna: You are clearly posting false information which is glaringly against nairaland rules and you say I am pained? Well what I have posted is evidence enough that you are clearly wrong but for sake of your leaning you are feeling obviously too proud or too ashamed to admit it and correct your error. I have corrected it regardless with the right information about him with proof as well. In 1977 his wife explained to the new York times " Jim used religion to get people out of the opiate of religion" Compare that to the full quote of Karl Marx who is the founder of Marxism " Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people". I told you earlier Jim Jones was a Marxist and everybody knows that Marxists are atheists. He was not religious but used religion to achieve his diabolic atheistic agenda. If he could confess to being an atheist in 1976 just 2 years before this incident with his own mouth and his wife confirmed it them who are you to say otherwise? Lying and being deceptive is clearly a trait atheists have so I understand why you want to lie about his atheism. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Vianna(f): 9:56pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:What is the false info here? Kiss the truth ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Vianna(f): 10:01pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Going through your topics, its easy to understand where you're coming from Leo Cc GavelSlam hopefullandlord had I known I wouldn't have bothered arguing with him. 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by GavelSlam: 10:02pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: Sermon in Philadelphia (1976) Annotated Transcript Q162 Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you. To return to the Tape Index, click here. To return to the Annotated Sermons page, click here. To read the Tape Summary, click here. To listen to MP3, click here. (Note: This tape was one of the 53 tapes initially withheld from public disclosure.) Jones: (In full throat) (Excited) —He has to have these anniversaries, why does he have to have these $500 suits? Why does he have to have that Rolls Royce? Why does he have to have that Lincoln Continental? Why does he have to have that Cadillac? Congregation: Applause. Jones: (Calmer) You’re going to try to lie to yourself tomorrow. (Builds to full fervor) You’re going to try to set there, but I have bewitched you. I have bewitched you with the truth. I have come, and you cannot now turn away. You’re gonna try, but if I had not come, you would’ve had no sin. If I had not spoken in Philadelphia, you would’ve had no sin. But I have come, and I have spoken, and now, you’ve gotta walk in the light (Numerous references to walking in the light of Jesus, including John 8:12, Ephesians 5:8, 1 John 1:7, and Revelation 21:24.). Congregation: Applause. Jones: (Calmer) Oh, yes. Glory. Got my security people wandering around because there’s a preacher threatening, I’m gonna get killed, in Philadelphia. Well, I’ll tell you one thing. The last man that tried that run up the aisles. He had a gun. His name’s Alvin McFall. You go into San Francisco and s— you can find him these days. He ran up and he said, (Cries out) “I had my gun.” He looked for his gun, he like a man looking for something, he looked like he’d lost his drawers. His gun was gone. He said, “If I had my gun, I’d kill you.” But he didn’t have his gun, ’cause I done took his gun away from him. His preachings: Congregation: Applause. Jones: Hey! (unintelligible exclamation). (Pause) And I said, you’ve touched the ark. It’s no longer a wooden box, it’s no longer a paper Bible. Jeremiah said, get rid of the paper box, the talisman, the ark of the covenant (Jeremiah 3), and I said get a— rid of the letter, ’cause the letter killeth (2 Corinthians 3:6, “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.”). I’ve told you, as I did in the day of Jesus, go out without purse or script (Matthew 10:9-10, “Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves…” See also Mark 6:8, Luke 10:4, Luke 22:35-36.). (Pause) Don’t go out with anything but the Living Word. (Pause) [You] Say, “I don’t have it.” Well, then, get around me. You’ll get it. (Pause) You’ll get it. (Voice rises) I’ll make you fishers of men (Mark 1:17, “And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.” See also, Matthew 4:19.). I’ll give you power. I’ll cause you to go forth and lay hands on all these— these oppressive devils, all these oppressive spirits that’ve held us down in racism. You get around me, and I will send you out (Cries out) in my name, and you will set the people free (John 8, esp. John 8:32, “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”). .....continues https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=62874 |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Butterflyleo: 10:03pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Vianna: You are shooting yourself in the foot. In 1956 he was ordained. In 1976 he confessed with his own mouth that he is now an atheist/agnostic and atheist and his wife confirmed it in 1977. In 1978 he orchestrated a mass suicide. From 1956 to 1976 which is about 20 years he never had a record of such a thing but within 2 years of his becoming an atheist, he became nihilistic and made sure his members bought into his nihilism and committed mass suicide. Thank you for shooting yourself in the foot. 2 Likes |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Butterflyleo: 10:04pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
GavelSlam: Why not post a sermon from 1977 after he confessed with his own mouth of being an atheist in the same 1976. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Vianna(f): 10:09pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:My question is has he ever been a religious leader or not irrespective of whether he later converted to atheism according to your claims? The followers he tricked to their deaths where did he get them from? He got them from the peoples temple which was a christian movement itself and he was their spiritual leader. Abeg my bobo is calling me jare. Cc hopefullandlord gavelslam Dominique case closed. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by Butterflyleo: 10:15pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Vianna: Your question should be was he a religious leader or a man of God at the time of the mass suicide? It is on record that he confessed to being an atheist in 1976. That is the focus and that was his most current state. You are rather focusing on an ordination which happened in 1956 which is a clear 20year gap. He also with his own mouth confessed that his congregation were 90% atheist as at 1976/1977. Can you prove he never said those things he said? If you cannot and that confession from him stands, then that renders all you are saying void. The peoples temple was not a christian movement IT WAS A CULT. It was a political/communist movement orchestrated by Jim Jones under the shroud of religion despite him being an atheist. You clearly have no case to present and no facts other than the 1956 you are fixated on while I have thrown so many facts at you. 3 Likes |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by hopefulLandlord: 10:16pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
Vianna:exactly! He might as well be atheist,misotheist, dystehist or whatever theist he is. when all is said and done religion was used cuz it was available and he gathered his followers using religious methods This is the same way Hitler used the fact that the Germans believed their race is superior to carry out the Holocaust. if the Germans didn't believe that nonsense there's no way Hitler would've bee able to do it or would have to face stiff opposition from the populace but he played on their insecurities which lead to deaths of millions The south African church members who's pictures of them eating grass went viral were able to eat those grass under religious influence. Tell them to eat grass and they won't, let their pastor say they should or god told them they should and they would start munching at the grass like the grass were medium rare steak 4 Likes |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by malvisguy212: 10:26pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
GavelSlam:politics kill more, should we abandoned politics or find the right formula? ................ a good start to find the right way to God is the man Jesus, don't you think so? |
Re: The Religious Leader Who Convinced 909 People To Commit Suicide(photos, VIDEO) by hopefulLandlord: 10:28pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
malvisguy212: Politics is testable, verifiable and falsifiable. everything religious nonsense is not 1 Like |
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