rottennaija:


You brought smoking into the issues, to support your argument. You see the Irony? You are faced with the fact the Bible says nothing against birthday celebration, Jesus never condemned it, the apostle never condemned it and not even Jehovah gave commands to his people against it.

So in order to get around the problem, you brought an idea about about the Bible not being a book for dos and don't. Using smoking as an example, you introduce the idea of it polluting the body, using 2 co 7:1 as support. Of course, you know the Bible says nothing of smoking, but in order to introduce your today's ban on smoking, since the Bible says nothing on it, you fall back to applications of Bible principles, shunning what defiles the flesh and spirit.

But that is where you run into a problem, smoking defiles the body, true. But does it defile the spirit? Smoking kills, true. But are they other things we eat and enjoy that doesn't kill more than smoking? Does this things not defile the body?

The irony of the whole things, when you want to make arbitrary rules against smoking, in this case, discussing shunning what defiles body, you don't cherry pick which to apply to and which to ignore.

I purposefully brought sugar, sugary food, drinks, bears, junk food into the issue. For all intent and purposes, these things, while we enjoy them defile our body. While true that our society does not frown on them, but these things defile our bodies. Studies shows that they kill and make us sick even more than smoking.


We will deal with the question one after another. But let's deal with them one at a time. First thing first, we deal with how you chose to shun one thing that defiles the body but ignore others (arbitrary choosing what to frown and makes laws against while ignoring another that is even worse than it.)

OneJ:


The celebration of birthdays is strictly a pagan custom,not associated with Christians or Christ (The Bible & secular history prove it beyond doubt).

YOU ARE OBSERVING SPECIAL DAYS, (birthdays), & MONTHS & SEASONS & YEARS ! (not approved by God). I fear for you,that some how I have wasted my efforts on you. "
Galatians 4:8-11.

The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. 1 Cor 3:19.

You adulterous people ( who cloak pagan customs with Christianity), don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God?" James 4:4

Your father tells you that your family avoids a particular stream that your family's enemies goes to or visit all the time. Have U not broken your family's code by going to that stream that is avoided by your family members?

Is king Pharaoh a pagan or a servant of God ? Also, is king Herod a pagan or a servant of God?

Emperor Constantine merged Christendom & paganism to bring forth Christmas

Make una dey look for all the excuses U need, Light & darkness can never be companions.

Na U dey cherry pick what pleases U,point one finger at JWs,your other four fingers points right back at U

Hairyrapunzel:


Is it by force to accept it is pagan?
You use Unverified Secular worldly sources to create your doctrines. Lol
Where did the bible say birthdays were not associated with Christians? You can't even bring out any bible verse. You even have to use unnamed unverified secular worldly source to back up your doctrine. Buhaha





God never said he doesn't approve of birthday celebrations watchtower organization did. Except you are trying to say watchtower is now God. Buhaha
You even had to assume it was birthdays and cunningly put it in bracket to make it look like it was what Paul was talking about. Lol.
You guys like to speculate sha. So Rutherford in 1926 assumed paul was talking about birthdays and someone later inserted birthday in bracket in your Bible? I don't get.
Is it that you are forcing birthday to be in the verse when it wasn't there? Well I know you are assuming as usual.



You can as well say internet is foolishness to God and stop using internet.

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You even have to assume adulterous means those who cloak pagan customs with Christianity. Lol. You even had to assume and add to the verse. It's alright.



That the enemy goes to the particular stream doesn't make the stream bad. It's the enemies that are bad and not the stream. Watchtower stupid and fallacious analogies. He did not break any family code.
What if the father later directs him to go to that stream because that's the only available stream? Be using kindergarten knowledge. No wonder those old men in new York say they should do your thinking for you. You have zero thinking skills.
What if the enemy had stopped using the well?
Black and white thinking at it's peak




You say pharaoh wasn't a servant of God yet he appointed a servant of God into a very good position courtesy his the cupbearer he saved on his birthday.


The best thing that ever happened to Christianity. At least the pagans became Christians.


You that has bee using unnamed unverified secular worldly sources whose writers are companions of darkness to make your doctrines nko? Abeg shift. Remove the log in your eye before you remove the spec


Cherry picking the pagan practices you will do. It's like your jehovah says you can't do this pagan practice but you can do the other pagan practices. I even forgot that its your leaders DAT do the cherry picking and lie on God's head

OneJ:




Until U come to this thread & prove beyond doubt that pre -christian men of God or first century believers of Christ celebrated their birthdays annually, everything U put up here na wash,only fit for the refuse dump.

SERIAL LIAR, see the level wey your IBERIBEISM & dishonesty done reach. Sotaay U come NL dey deny solid historical fact wey every well read educated people already knows, that Christmas/ birthday celebration has nothing to do with Christ.


Pagan customs has become your "christianity".

"You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God" James 4:4.

keep deluding yourself.

Hairyrapunzel:

Till you show me where the bible said celebrating birthday is bad and we should desist from the act till then your religion is a false one.
Don't come and quote unnamed unverified secular worldly source for me o. Quote the bible verse.

If it was possible you would have said Bible never said pharaoh pardoned the cupbearer on his birthday because your secular worldly source didn't state it.
You that you Cherry pick pagan customs to practice nko? I no fit laugh.

Friendship with the world yet you use internet created by worldly people. Christian that can't even use Bible to defend his doctrines.
I

OneJ:



Hahahahahahaaaaaa. !!!!!

U be like the man wey go market & request for half dozen loaves of bread. He saw only 6 loaves of bread available, yet he rejects it & insisted that either he gets the half dozen or nothing...

Hairyrapunzel, is paganism acceptable to your God ? yes or no, pls reply

Is Christmas a pagan custom ?Yes or no, pls reply.

Hairyrapunzel:

Define paganism Christmas is not a pagan custom. My answer is No.

OneJ:


Hairyrapunzel, is paganism acceptable to your God? Yes or no,pls reply.

asuustrike2009:
Unnecessary argument. That is one of the problem I have with Jehovah Witnesses, they always argue with other Christian faith.

CANTICLES:


Its a scriptural matter, the Beroans were commended because they search the scriptures to see if things were as they say .

The idea of giving priority to a person's day of birth didn't originate from the Bible . it even States that the day of death is better than day of birth - Eccl 7:1

CANTICLES:


Its a scriptural matter, the Beroans were commended because they search the scriptures to see if things were as they say .

The idea of giving priority to a person's day of birth didn't originate from the Bible . it even States that the day of death is better than day of birth - Eccl 7:1

CANTICLES:
The idea of giving priority to ones day of birth didn't originate from the Bible . FACT

The statement goes further and make an emphasis " it even states that the day of death is better than day of birth " .

Did it state that or not ?

Seems some people have comprehension problems.

Birthdays celebration is paganic as evidenced the fact that only pagan kings were mentioned as doing it , No single servant of GOd is found doing such ( This position is proved by various writings in the Early Christians view )

If its so Christian, why didn't any Servant of God also do it ? Why only Pagans were directly associated with it ?

CANTICLES:
The idea of giving priority to ones day of birth didn't originate from the Bible . FACT

The statement goes further and make an emphasis " it even states that the day of death is better than day of birth " .

Did it state that or not ?

Seems some people have comprehension problems.

Birthdays celebration is paganic as evidenced the fact that only pagan kings were mentioned as doing it , No single servant of GOd is found doing such ( This position is proved by various writings on the Early Christians view )

If its so Christian, why didn't any Servant of God also do it ? Why only Pagans were directly associated with it ?

CANTICLES:
The idea of giving priority to ones day of birth didn't originate from the Bible . FACT

The statement goes further and make an emphasis " it even states that the day of death is better than day of birth " .

Did it state that or not ?

Seems some people have comprehension problems.

Birthdays celebration is paganic as evidenced the fact that only pagan kings were mentioned as doing it , No single servant of GOd is found doing such ( This position is proved by various writings on the Early Christians view )

If its so Christian, why didn't any Servant of God also do it ? Why only Pagans were directly associated with it ?

CANTICLES:


Its a scriptural matter, the Beroans were commended because they search the scriptures to see if things were as they say .

The idea of giving priority to a person's day of birth didn't originate from the Bible . it even States that the day of death is better than day of birth - Eccl 7:1

asuustrike2009:

The person is not complaining why bother yourself?

Hairyrapunzel:


Since the Bible says that the day of death is better than the day of birth thats why birthdays are bad and God is against birthdays therefore, God is against laughter because he said frustration is better than laughter.


One pagan king that celebrated birthday in the Bible saved the life of the CUPBEARER and eventually made God's servant Joseph the governor of the land. Wow!
What a pagan king who even took care of God's servant. Interesting.

ChristianFreedo:
SHOULD TRUE CHRISTIANS CELEBRATE BIRTHDAYS, CHRISTMAS:
SHOULD THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH PAGANISM?

NOTE TO READERS: What is here presented is based on the personal opinion and conviction of the writer. The conclusion drawn is based on my experience, interaction, observations and reading outside the publications of the Watchtower Organization. I have been a member of the Religious Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses for more than 20 years, and if this debate for/against Christmas/Birthday was held years ago, I would vehemently argue against birthday/Christmas celebration. This could only have been as a result of having one source of information without the opportunity to have a different view of matters. However, when I decided to investigate the teachings I held for many years, I came to one conclusion, ‘listening to one side of the story can only lead to a narrow view of life, things and definitely, a narrow conclusion’. If you are a Jehovah’s witness going through this, though against your training, I pray and wish you go through this with an open mind, for you can never tell what you will learn and how much you can discover.

Jehovah’s witnesses, (claim to be True Christians) do not celebrate birthdays or Christmas. The argument given for not celebrating birthdays and Christmas, are slightly different but basically the same. They are

• Pagan origin
• Not celebrated by Jew/early Christians, nor did Jesus command his disciples to celebrate them
• Day of death better than birth – undue honor (idolizing oneself)
• People died at the two birthdays mentioned in the Bible


More recently, the argument against Birthday/Christmas is more of pagan origin, the early Christians not celebrating them. This article is in response to post appearing in Nairaland front page on the 25th of December, 2016. Here are the links to the two post:

1. https://www.nairaland.com/3537790/origin-christmas-santa-claus-christmas
2. https://www.nairaland.com/3538010/why-dont-jehovahs-witnesses-celebrate

Both post is obviously from Jehovah’s witnesses, as their religion is strictly against the celebration of birthdays and Christmas. However, what is not said is that Jehovah’s Witnesses celebrated Christmas and birthday up until 1927 and 1950, respectively. So, if celebrations don’t make one a ‘true Christian’ and worthy of God’s disfavor and destruction in Armageddon, one wonders if the older witnesses that died before these period, with their pagan celebration of Christmas and birthday will ever make it? After all, they were never ‘true Christians’, they practiced Idolatry, unless it had to be explained away that the light was getting brighter. If Birthday/Christmas is idolatry, then Idolatry is idolatry and God has never condoned idolatory.

NOTE: It is not just Jehovah’s witnesses that do not celebrate Christmas, birthdays. Religious Organization, like Continued Christian Church of God (CCOG), Seventh-day Adventists, Christadelphian (left to individual conscience, but not organizationally), Worldwide church of God etc. frown upon Christmas, birthday and some other celebrations done today. This religious organization all have the same root as Jehovah’s Witnesses, all started in the 1800s, preach narrow salvation for its members only, shun its former member (exception is Seventh-Day Adventist) etc.

I will be approaching this topic from the birthday point of view, since basically, they are both the same. The argument used by Jehovah’s witnesses (‘True Christians’) against the celebration of both are basically the same.

Hairyrapunzel:


Define paganism. I am not sure you know what paganism is. I don't think you know what God likes.
It's like you people don't think before answering questions. Define paganism

OneJ:


Can't U see how crooked your response ? U dey talk say "define paganism" but U already know the definition of "pagan custom".
Besides, U already know "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday"
(Yet,Hairyranpuzel no know the definition of "paganism". U BE SERIAL LIAR .)

U crookedly ignore " the day of death is better than the day of birth" ,Eccl7:1. , U come dey twist "sorrow is better than laughter" in verse 2.

Eccl 7:2 " it is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, for death is the destiny of every man, the living should take this to heart.
verse3) Sorrow is better than laughter, because a sad face is good for the heart.
verse 4) The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure"..


The scripture ,Eccl7:2-4, U are twisting advised U to do sober reflection at a place of mourning than focus on a life of indulgence & pleasures

U BE CORRECT WAYO MAN, very dishonest

OneJ:


Can't U see how crooked your response ? U dey talk say "define paganism" but U already know the definition of "pagan custom".
Besides, U already know "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday"
(Yet,Hairyranpuzel no know the definition of "paganism". U BE SERIAL LIAR .)

U crookedly ignore " the day of death is better than the day of birth" ,Eccl7:1. , U come dey twist "sorrow is better than laughter" in verse 2.

Eccl 7:2 " it is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, for death is the destiny of every man, the living should take this to heart.
verse3) Sorrow is better than laughter, because a sad face is good for the heart.
verse 4) The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure"..


The scripture ,Eccl7:2-4, U are twisting advised U to do sober reflection at a place of mourning than focus on a life of indulgence & pleasures

U BE CORRECT WAYO MAN, very dishonest

OneJ:


Can't U see how crooked your response ? U dey talk say "define paganism" but U already know the definition of "pagan custom".
Besides, U already know "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday"
(Yet,Hairyranpuzel no know the definition of "paganism". U BE SERIAL LIAR .)

U crookedly ignore " the day of death is better than the day of birth" ,Eccl7:1. , U come dey twist "sorrow is better than laughter" in verse 2.

Eccl 7:2 " it is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, for death is the destiny of every man, the living should take this to heart.
verse3) Sorrow is better than laughter, because a sad face is good for the heart.
verse 4) The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure"..


The scripture ,Eccl7:2-4, U are twisting advised U to do sober reflection at a place of mourning than focus on a life of indulgence & pleasures

U BE CORRECT WAYO MAN, very dishonest

Hairyrapunzel:


Define paganism
Christmas is not a pagan custom. My answer is No.

OneJ:


".. During the first two centuries of Christianity, there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus.
Numerous Church Fathers offered sarcastic comments about the pagan custom of celebrating birthdays..... the early Church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs & practices..."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas .

The Encyclopedia Britannica agreed with the holy scriptures

"Gen 40:20 "Now the third day was Pharaoh's birthday & he gave a feast for all his officials."

Mark 6:21 "Finally the opportune time came. On his birthday,He rod gave a banquet for his high. officials. & military commanders & all the leading men of Galilee"

Infact, Hairyrapunzel knows "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday"

SERIAL LIAR speaking with both sides of his mouth.

Christmas/ birthday celebrations are strictly pagan customs & beliefs with NO CONNECTION to Christianity or any follower of Christ.

When we were kids, Our parents often do not say "don't do this or don't do that"..... their eyes convey a stern look of disapproval when we dey misbehave back then. In like manner, God's word affirmed that birthdays was strictly a pagan practice. That's God's stern warning for followers of Christ to shun it because light & darkness no get fellowship.

OneJ:


".. During the first two centuries of Christianity, there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus.
Numerous Church Fathers offered sarcastic comments about the pagan custom of celebrating birthdays..... the early Church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs & practices..."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas .

The Encyclopedia Britannica agreed with the holy scriptures

"Gen 40:20 "Now the third day was Pharaoh's birthday & he gave a feast for all his officials."

Mark 6:21 "Finally the opportune time came. On his birthday,He rod gave a banquet for his high. officials. & military commanders & all the leading men of Galilee"

Infact, Hairyrapunzel knows "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday"

SERIAL LIAR speaking with both sides of his mouth.

Christmas/ birthday celebrations are strictly pagan customs & beliefs with NO CONNECTION to Christianity or any follower of Christ.

When we were kids, Our parents often do not say "don't do this or don't do that"..... their eyes convey a stern look of disapproval when we dey misbehave back then. In like manner, God's word affirmed that birthdays was strictly a pagan practice. That's God's stern warning for followers of Christ to shun it because light & darkness no get fellowship.

OneJ:


".. During the first two centuries of Christianity, there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus.
Numerous Church Fathers offered sarcastic comments about the pagan custom of celebrating birthdays..... the early Church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs & practices..."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas .

The Encyclopedia Britannica agreed with the holy scriptures

"Gen 40:20 "Now the third day was Pharaoh's birthday & he gave a feast for all his officials."

Mark 6:21 "Finally the opportune time came. On his birthday,He rod gave a banquet for his high. officials. & military commanders & all the leading men of Galilee"

Infact, Hairyrapunzel knows "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday"

SERIAL LIAR speaking with both sides of his mouth.

Christmas/ birthday celebrations are strictly pagan customs & beliefs with NO CONNECTION to Christianity or any follower of Christ.

When we were kids, Our parents often do not say "don't do this or don't do that"..... their eyes convey a stern look of disapproval when we dey misbehave back then. In like manner, God's word affirmed that birthdays was strictly a pagan practice. That's God's stern warning for followers of Christ to shun it because light & darkness no get fellowship.

OneJ:


".. During the first two centuries of Christianity, there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus.
Numerous Church Fathers offered sarcastic comments about the pagan custom of celebrating birthdays..... the early Church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs & practices..."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas .

The Encyclopedia Britannica agreed with the holy scriptures

"Gen 40:20 "Now the third day was Pharaoh's birthday & he gave a feast for all his officials."

Mark 6:21 "Finally the opportune time came. On his birthday,He rod gave a banquet for his high. officials. & military commanders & all the leading men of Galilee"

Infact, Hairyrapunzel knows "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday"

SERIAL LIAR speaking with both sides of his mouth.

Christmas/ birthday celebrations are strictly pagan customs & beliefs with NO CONNECTION to Christianity or any follower of Christ.

When we were kids, Our parents often do not say "don't do this or don't do that"..... their eyes convey a stern look of disapproval when we dey misbehave back then. In like manner, God's word affirmed that birthdays was strictly a pagan practice. That's God's stern warning for followers of Christ to shun it because light & darkness no get fellowship.

Hairyrapunzel:


Another assumption based on hearsay from an unverified unnamed worldly secular source. Wow so much for one religion that calls itself the only one true religion using only unnamed unverified secular worldly source to create it's man made doctrines.

Show us a Bible verse where God says we shouldn't celebrate birthdays? you are busy talking past point. E no dey.

At least pharoah Pardoned the life of the cupbearer who later told him about Joseph. If it's the birthday that killed the baker then the birthday also saved the cupbearer.

Hero's killed john the Baptist on his birthday and Jesus didn't condemn the birthday neither did he condemn herod. Still no passage in the Bible of Jesus or jehovah condemning birthday or the men who killed on their birthdays.

It's only watchtower that condemns birthday celebrations forgetting to even condemn the people who committed crimes on their birthdays and doesn't even recognize the person who spared a life on his birthday. They are ashamed to say a good act was done on pharaohs birthday. They hide the fact because they want to make birthday celebrations look evil.

YOU CALL ME A SERIAL LIAR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE FACT THAT BIBLE SAID PHARAOH PARDONED THE CUPBEARER ON HIS BIRTHDAY. AND JESUS OR JEHOVAH NEITHER CONDEMNED BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION OR THE PEOPLE THAT EVEN COMMITTED MURDER ON THEIR BIRTHDAYS.

I KNOW HOW IT FEELS SEEING THAT THE ONLY REFERENCE YOU HAVE FOR NOT CELEBRATING BIRTHDAYS IS FROM AN UNNAMED UNVERIFIED SECULAR WORLDLY SOURCE AUTHOURED BY PEOPLE YOU CONSIDER SATAN WORSHIPPERS. HOW PATHETIC

Hairyrapunzel:


Your brain should tell you if you actually think for yourself that since and Egyptian and a roman king celebrated their birthdays, had calendars and it was their custom.
Celebrating birthday was probably not a Jewish custom. This is what my brain says to me.
Jehovah, Jesus or their followers never frowned on birthday celebrations as it isn't written in the Bible neither does it record any Jew celebrating birthday. Bible was silent on the matter.
Bible is enough for me as I don't need any worldly website to tell me what I should do or not do. I am Nigerian and I ain't Jewish. My beliefs are not based on non biblical doctrines made by paranoid people who thought and still think their jehovah is coming to slaughter people for not joining their publishing company called watctower

OneJ:


Can't U see how crooked your response ? U dey talk say "define paganism" but U already know the definition of "pagan custom".
Besides, U already know "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday"
(Yet,Hairyranpuzel no know the definition of "paganism". U BE SERIAL LIAR .)

U crookedly ignore " the day of death is better than the day of birth" ,Eccl7:1. , U come dey twist "sorrow is better than laughter" in verse 2.

Eccl 7:2 " it is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, for death is the destiny of every man, the living should take this to heart.
verse3) Sorrow is better than laughter, because a sad face is good for the heart.
verse 4) The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure"..


The scripture ,Eccl7:2-4, U are twisting advised U to do sober reflection at a place of mourning than focus on a life of indulgence & pleasures

U BE CORRECT WAYO MAN, very dishonest