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Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by OneJ: 4:01pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
rottennaija: The celebration of birthdays is strictly a pagan custom,not associated with Christians or Christ (The Bible & secular history prove it beyond doubt). Or U give us just one proof from your Bible or secular history that birthdays was practiced by first century believers of Christ. "YOU ARE OBSERVING SPECIAL DAYS, (birthdays), & MONTHS & SEASONS & YEARS ! (not approved by God). I fear for you,that some how I have wasted my efforts on you. " Galatians 4:8-11. The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. 1 Cor 3:19. "You adulterous people ( who cloak pagan customs with Christianity), don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God?" James 4:4.. Your father tells you that your family avoids a particular stream that your family's enemies goes to or visits all the time. Have U not broken your family's code by going to that stream that is avoided by your family members? Is king Pharaoh a pagan or a servant of God ? Also, is king Herod a pagan or a servant of God? Gen40:20-22. Matt14:6-10. Emperor Constantine merged Christendom & paganism to bring forth Christmas. Make una dey look for all the excuses Una need, Light & darkness can never be companions. Na U dey cherry pick what pleases U,point one finger at JWs,your other four fingers points right back at U. Whatever defiles your flesh & spirit includes, but not limited to junk food, smoking& drunkenness. Negative thicking ,jealousy ,bitterness, murderous rage, drug abuse, porn addiction ,lusts. etc all join. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 6:44pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
OneJ: Is it by force to accept it is pagan? You use Unverified Secular worldly sources to create your doctrines. Lol Where did the bible say birthdays were not associated with Christians? You can't even bring out any bible verse. You even have to use unnamed unverified secular worldly source to back up your doctrine. Buhaha YOU ARE OBSERVING SPECIAL DAYS, (birthdays), & MONTHS & SEASONS & YEARS ! (not approved by God). I fear for you,that some how I have wasted my efforts on you. " God never said he doesn't approve of birthday celebrations watchtower organization did. Except you are trying to say watchtower is now God. Buhaha You even had to assume it was birthdays and cunningly put it in bracket to make it look like it was what Paul was talking about. Lol. You guys like to speculate sha. So Rutherford in 1926 assumed paul was talking about birthdays and someone later inserted birthday in bracket in your Bible? I don't get. Is it that you are forcing birthday to be in the verse when it wasn't there? Well I know you are assuming as usual. The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. 1 Cor 3:19. You can as well say internet is foolishness to God and stop using internet. You adulterous people ( who cloak pagan customs with Christianity), don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God?" James 4:4. You even have to assume adulterous means those who cloak pagan customs with Christianity. Lol. You even had to assume and add to the verse. It's alright. Your father tells you that your family avoids a particular stream that your family's enemies goes to or visit all the time. Have U not broken your family's code by going to that stream that is avoided by your family members? That the enemy goes to the particular stream doesn't make the stream bad. It's the enemies that are bad and not the stream. Watchtower stupid and fallacious analogies. He did not break any family code. What if the father later directs him to go to that stream because that's the only available stream? Be using kindergarten knowledge. No wonder those old men in new York say they should do your thinking for you. You have zero thinking skills. What if the enemy had stopped using the well? Black and white thinking at it's peak Is king Pharaoh a pagan or a servant of God ? Also, is king Herod a pagan or a servant of God? You say pharaoh wasn't a servant of God yet he appointed a servant of God into a very good position courtesy his the cupbearer he saved on his birthday. Emperor Constantine merged Christendom & paganism to bring forth ChristmasThe best thing that ever happened to Christianity. At least the pagans became Christians. Make una dey look for all the excuses U need, Light & darkness can never be companions.You that has bee using unnamed unverified secular worldly sources whose writers are companions of darkness to make your doctrines nko? Abeg shift. Remove the log in your eye before you remove the spec Na U dey cherry pick what pleases U,point one finger at JWs,your other four fingers points right back at UCherry picking the pagan practices you will do. It's like your jehovah says you can't do this pagan practice but you can do the other pagan practices. I even forgot that its your leaders DAT do the cherry picking and lie on God's head |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Nobody: 7:29pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
Unnecessary argument. That is one of the problem I have with Jehovah Witnesses, they always argue with other Christian faith. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by OneJ: 8:58pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel: Until U come to this thread & prove beyond doubt that pre -christian men of God or first century believers of Christ celebrated their birthdays annually, everything U put up here na wash,only fit for the refuse dump. SERIAL LIAR, see the level wey your IBERIBEISM & dishonesty done reach. Sotaay U come NL dey deny solid historical fact wey every well read educated people already knows, that Christmas/ birthday celebration has nothing to do with Christ. Pagan customs has become your "christianity". "You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God" James 4:4. keep deluding yourself. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 9:46pm On Aug 07, 2018 |
OneJ:Till you show me where the bible said celebrating birthday is bad and we should desist from the act till then your religion is a false one. Don't come and quote unnamed unverified secular worldly source for me o. Quote the bible verse. If it was possible you would have said Bible never said pharaoh pardoned the cupbearer on his birthday because your secular worldly source didn't state it. You that you Cherry pick pagan customs to practice nko? I no fit laugh. Friendship with the world yet you use internet created by worldly people. Christian that can't even use Bible to defend his doctrines. I |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by OneJ: 10:28am On Aug 08, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel: Hahahahahahaaaaaa. !!!!! U be like the man wey go market & request for half dozen loaves of bread. He saw only 6 loaves of bread available, yet he rejects it & insisted that either he gets the half dozen or nothing... Hairyrapunzel, is paganism acceptable to your God ? yes or no, pls reply Is Christmas a pagan custom ?Yes or no, pls reply. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 11:59am On Aug 08, 2018 |
OneJ: Define paganism Christmas is not a pagan custom. My answer is No. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by OneJ: 3:47pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel:Hairyrapunzel, is paganism acceptable to your God? Yes or no,pls reply. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 3:56pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
OneJ: Define paganism. I am not sure you know what paganism is. I don't think you know what God likes. It's like you people don't think before answering questions. Define paganism |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by CANTICLES: 4:57pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
asuustrike2009: Its a scriptural matter, the Beroans were commended because they search the scriptures to see if things were as they say . The idea of giving priority to a person's day of birth didn't originate from the Bible . it even States that the day of death is better than day of birth - Eccl 7:1 |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 5:15pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
CANTICLES: A good name is better than fine perfume, and the day of death better than the day of birth. 2 It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, for death is the destiny of everyone; the living should take this to heart. 3 Frustration is better than laughter, because a sad face is good for the heart. 4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure. Frustration is better than laughter so laughter is bad... Show us where God condemned celebrating birthdays in the Bible. I still dey wait |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 5:16pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
CANTICLES: Your colleague said is from secular worldly sources and not the Bible. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by CANTICLES: 5:24pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
The idea of giving priority to ones day of birth didn't originate from the Bible . FACT The statement goes further and make an emphasis " it even states that the day of death is better than day of birth " . Did it state that or not ? Seems some people have comprehension problems. Birthdays celebration is paganic as evidenced the fact that only pagan kings were mentioned as doing it , No single servant of GOd is found doing such ( This position is proved by various writings on the Early Christians view ) If its so Christian, why didn't any Servant of God also do it ? Why only Pagans were directly associated with it ? |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 5:30pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
CANTICLES: Since the Bible says that the day of death is better than the day of birth thats why birthdays are bad and God is against birthdays therefore, God is against laughter because he said frustration is better than laughter. One pagan king that celebrated birthday in the Bible saved the life of the CUPBEARER and eventually made God's servant Joseph the governor of the land. Wow! What a pagan king who even took care of God's servant. Interesting. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 5:32pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
CANTICLES: Bible said frustration is better than laughter why do you laugh? Don't you know God hates laughter? Your God loves cherry picking o. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 5:34pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
CANTICLES: Did Bible say frustration is better than laughter or not? |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Nobody: 6:07pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
CANTICLES:The person is not complaining why bother yourself? |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by CANTICLES: 10:19pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
asuustrike2009:Calm yourself down Wonder why you fail to realize. The thread is a question. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by CANTICLES: 10:21pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel: |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Nobody: 11:57pm On Aug 08, 2018 |
ChristianFreedo: Christianity is a pagan religion. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by OneJ: 7:53pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel: Can't U see how crooked your response ? U dey talk say "define paganism" but U already know the definition of "pagan custom". Besides, U already know "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday" (Yet,Hairyranpuzel no know the definition of "paganism". U BE SERIAL LIAR .) U crookedly ignore " the day of death is better than the day of birth" ,Eccl7:1. , U come dey twist "sorrow is better than laughter" in verse 2. Eccl 7:2 " it is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, for death is the destiny of every man, the living should take this to heart. verse3) Sorrow is better than laughter, because a sad face is good for the heart. verse 4) The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure".. The scripture ,Eccl7:2-4, U are twisting advised U to do sober reflection at a place of mourning than focus on a life of indulgence & pleasures U BE CORRECT WAYO MAN, very dishonest |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 11:16pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
OneJ: Be going to only houses where they mourn. You are also twisting as the day of death is better than the day of birth as meaning celebrating birthdays are bad. You take this verse as literal why you force verse 3 to be figurative. Lol see frustration. As you said that the day of ones death is better than the persons death so frustration is better than laughter. It's only frustration Jehovah allows. If you ever laugh again your Jehovah will slaughter you. You preach that people should celebrate the death of a day old child rather than celebrating the life of a 100yr old man who is still alive because of a poetic verse said to be written by Solomon who had 800 wives and 300 concubines and had all the wealth in his own time. You people even have to twist and assume verses to make your doctrines look true. Show us where God gave us command not to celebrate birthdays? Till today no answer. Coming here to say we should be celebrating only deaths and never celebrate births or the life lived on earth. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 11:22pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
OneJ: Pharoah that made Joseph 2nd in command is now a pagan king. I will soon ask you just one question show me the Bible verse where they said the pharoah that killed the baker and spared the CUPBEARER was a pagan king. Also show me where Herod is addressed as a pagan in the Bible? |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 11:26pm On Aug 09, 2018 |
OneJ: See somebody that says he is honest he can't pinpoint a bible verse that says Jehovah hates people celebrating birthdays or Christmas. He has been telling me that it's from secular sources. Lol ORIGINAL WAYO MASTER. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by OneJ: 1:22pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel: ".. During the first two centuries of Christianity, there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus. Numerous Church Fathers offered sarcastic comments about the pagan custom of celebrating birthdays..... the early Church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs & practices..." https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas . The Encyclopedia Britannica agreed with the holy scriptures "Gen 40:20 "Now the third day was Pharaoh's birthday & he gave a feast for all his officials." Mark 6:21 "Finally the opportune time came. On his birthday,He rod gave a banquet for his high. officials. & military commanders & all the leading men of Galilee" Pharaoh & King Herod were pagans, not followers of Christ. Infact, Hairyrapunzel knows "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday" SERIAL LIAR speaking with both sides of his mouth. Christmas/ birthday celebrations are strictly pagan customs & beliefs with NO CONNECTION to Christianity or any follower of Christ. When we were kids, Our parents often do not say "don't do this or don't do that"..... their eyes convey a stern look of disapproval when we dey misbehave back then. In like manner, God's word expressed disapproval on servants of God/ followers of Christ having fellowship with pagan practices,beliefs & customs which includes annual celebration of birthdays "What harmony is there between Christ & Belial? What agreement is there between the temple of God & idols?" 2 Cor 6:14-18,. 7:1. . "Does Jehovah take as much pleasure in burnt offerings & sacrifices as in obeying the voice of Jehovah?" Rebelliousness & disobedience is the same as the sin of paganism/idolatry.. 1 Sam 15:22-24. Anything connected to idols &pagans, God's word forbids it from followers of Christ, ( by principle & in verbal pronouncement.) |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 3:08pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
OneJ: Another assumption based on hearsay from an unverified unnamed worldly secular source. Wow so much for one religion that calls itself the only one true religion using only unnamed unverified secular worldly source to create it's man made doctrines. Show us a Bible verse where God says we shouldn't celebrate birthdays? you are busy talking past point. E no dey. At least pharoah Pardoned the life of the cupbearer who later told him about Joseph. If it's the birthday that killed the baker then the birthday also saved the cupbearer. Hero's killed john the Baptist on his birthday and Jesus didn't condemn the birthday neither did he condemn herod. Still no passage in the Bible of Jesus or jehovah condemning birthday or the men who killed on their birthdays. It's only watchtower that condemns birthday celebrations forgetting to even condemn the people who committed crimes on their birthdays and doesn't even recognize the person who spared a life on his birthday. They are ashamed to say a good act was done on pharaohs birthday. They hide the fact because they want to make birthday celebrations look evil. YOU CALL ME A SERIAL LIAR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE FACT THAT BIBLE SAID PHARAOH PARDONED THE CUPBEARER ON HIS BIRTHDAY. AND JESUS OR JEHOVAH NEITHER CONDEMNED BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION OR THE PEOPLE THAT EVEN COMMITTED MURDER ON THEIR BIRTHDAYS. I KNOW HOW IT FEELS SEEING THAT THE ONLY REFERENCE YOU HAVE FOR NOT CELEBRATING BIRTHDAYS IS FROM AN UNNAMED UNVERIFIED SECULAR WORLDLY SOURCE AUTHOURED BY PEOPLE YOU CONSIDER SATAN WORSHIPPERS. HOW PATHETIC |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 3:18pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
OneJ:Show us Bible passage of Jesus or jehovah condemning birthday celebrations? You still cannot show one. How pathetic Lol. You had to go to a worldly website whose source is unnamed, unverified, secular and worldly with Satan worshippers as authors. Very interesting. If Catholics use the same Britannica as the source of their beliefs or doctrines you will call them false religion while when you use only this site as the source of your doctrines you call your religion the true religion. Not even one bible passage to support your assumed doctrine. When God or Jesus didn't condemn birthdays or Christmas or the people who killed on their birthdays I will now condemn celebrating birthday because of a website. Mtchewww. I know it will take you another 3 days to cook up another defense supporting your manmade non biblical website doctrine. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 3:27pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
OneJ: Shame did not allow you quote your ecc 7:1 again because I caught your deceitful interpretation of the bible. Come and tell me verse one is literal as your God prefers celebrating the deaths of a day old newborns and he slaughters those who celebrates a man who has lived 100years and still living. Your religion even cherry picks the verses in a chapter that are literal and the ones that are figurative. Because your Leaders hate birthdays they say verse 1 is literal and because your leaders laugh and love feasts they say verse 2-4 is figurative. Your bible misinterpretation is based on a poetic verse a king said to be the wealthiest in the Bible and a man who had 800 wives and 300 concubines wrote. Someone who had feasts and celebrated to his God everyday. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by Hairyrapunzel: 3:35pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
OneJ: Your brain should tell you if you actually think for yourself that since and Egyptian and a roman king celebrated their birthdays, had calendars and it was their custom. Celebrating birthday was probably not a Jewish custom. This is what my brain says to me. Jehovah, Jesus or their followers never frowned on birthday celebrations as it isn't written in the Bible neither does it record any Jew celebrating birthday. Bible was silent on the matter. Bible is enough for me as I don't need any worldly website to tell me what I should do or not do. I am Nigerian and I ain't Jewish. My beliefs are not based on non biblical doctrines made by paranoid people who thought and still think their jehovah is coming to slaughter people for not joining their publishing company called watctower |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by OneJ: 3:44pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel: A serial liar who speaks with both sides of his mouth, your own family no get history? Let alone mankind in general? Until U bring incontrovertible evidence to this thread that Encyclopedia Britannica forged the history of Christmas, your own LIE go make Satan give U PhD... Hahahahahahaaaa !! Does the pagan custom of birthday celebration have any connection with servants of God or followers of Christ? that's the issue at stake. Because U be correct wayo man, U wan twist the matter upside down. Nobody here ask U whether pharaoh pardon him cup bearer or give donation to motherless baby orphanage. Don't get it twisted, wayo man. Wayo man, what fellowship does the temple of God have with idolatry & paganism? 2Cor 6:14-18. |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by OneJ: 4:06pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel: For God so loved the world that HE gave his only begotten son in order that whosoever believe in him will not be DESTROYED, but have everlasting life" John 3:16. Correct wayo man, Jesus says he would DESTROY unbelievers. Go & quarrel with him. Or make U write your own Bible na ! U wan dey claim say followers of Christ no dey do birthday because na Jewish custom, Kai !!!!!! In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek. Christianity is not Judaism. Gal3:28. Your IBERIBEISM in full mode. Hahahahahahaaaaa !!! |
Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by OneJ: 4:37pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
OneJ: After your lies have been exposed, your brain come remember say U be Nigerian, and as such U no dey follow Jewish custom wey dem no dey celebrate birthdays.. Issoryt. ! Hahahahahahaaaa. ! SERIAL LIAR, Jesus established Christianity not Judaism. Don't get it twisted. Christ followers, & the first century Christians stuck with their Master's footsteps to shun annual birthday celebrations . That's the proper way for believers of Christ. |
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