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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by doyinbaby(f): 1:49am On Aug 11, 2018 |
blueAgent:thanks 1 Like |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by MuttleyLaff: 2:19am On Aug 11, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Gggg102: blueAgent:There must be a reason(s) for your strong opposition to Mary and obvious dislike of her being called the mother of God. Is it because to your understanding Jesus isnt God? Ubenedictus: blueAgent: blueAgent:Are you sure of the emboldened that the bible never called Mary Jesus' mother? Exaltation of Mary to "celebrity" status was not invented by the church Exaltation of Mary to "celebrity" status, is 110% scriptural In fact, the exaltation of Mary to "celebrity" status isnt a church invention. The "celebrity" status originated from angel Gabriel's Day 1 visitation. Not just that, Mary, even, with her song, in Luke 1:48, predicted the "celebrity" status Concerning the exaltation of Mary to "godlike" status, you will have to go into detail what you mean by this and thereafter let's see what Ubenedictus and all make of it And it came to pass, as he spoke these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said to him, Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts which you have sucked. (i.e. woman, in effect, is saying to Jesus, blessed is your mother) - Luke 11:27 Jesus would have witnessed this "celebrity" status too, so many times, all over and that's why, for posterity sake, one of Jesus' firsthand experiences of the exaltation of Mary to "celebrity & godlike" status is historically recorded, as read in Luke 11:27 above Ubenedictus: blueAgent: Ubenedictus: blueAgent:blueAgent, will: 1/ Showing you, where, in the bible, Mary is called mother of Jesus 2/ and show you, with scripture again, that, if same Jesus, is God, then, Mary is mother of God, appease you? |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by MuttleyLaff: 2:19am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Ubenedictus:Concerning the exaltation of Mary to "godlike" status blueAgent criticism, let's look forward to the detail blueAgent will go into that explains what he means with that "godlike" status stamp and thereafter see what you Ubenedictus and all make of his so-called stated "godlike" status of Mary Ubenedictus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAQ2-L5JrY Seems you didnt, as a kid, grow up, watch Dick Dastardly and his sidekick, Muttley, known best for his mischievous wheezing laughs. If you did Ubenedictus, you would find the username, MuttleyLaff, not at all pretty confusing. 1 Like |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by UbiPetrus: 6:57am On Aug 11, 2018 |
blueAgent:Same truth. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by UbiPetrus: 6:58am On Aug 11, 2018 |
johnhood:Wrong in your opinion. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by johnhood(m): 8:03am On Aug 11, 2018 |
UbiPetrus:Not just in my opinion the evidence are there. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by sonmvayina(m): 10:10am On Aug 11, 2018 |
Aizenosa: And the truth is that Mary is lucifer., the light bearer.. Since jesus is the light... Ask your parish priest.. Tomorrow after Mass, I know, because I am a legionary... Took my vows in 1997, Health of the sick: pray for us Morning star: pray for us.. Etc |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by sonmvayina(m): 10:18am On Aug 11, 2018 |
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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by orisa37: 11:01am On Aug 11, 2018 |
You are entitled to your opinion. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by sonmvayina(m): 3:28pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
orisa37: Not my opinion... Just stating a fact.. Just as I know Buhari is the president of Nigeria |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 6:08pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Big lie , no Apostle ever called Mary mother of God or ever worshiped or pray to Mary. Luke 1 never said we should worship Mary rather Mary was expressing her Joy for God's favour. If that verse tells us to pray or worship Mary why are you not praying to Rebecca Isaac 's wife since she was also called mother of nations and kings? |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 6:10pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb: I Agree 100% |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 6:16pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Jesus is not the Same person as the Father. God is the Father while Jesus is his son, Jesus is God by nature(as being born by God) and not in personality. Jesus and his Father are not equal neither are they the same person. Jesus always did the will of his Father. John 14:28 “You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.” |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 6:48pm On Aug 11, 2018 |
UbiPetrus: Your point contracdicts your argument the bible verse says mother of my Lord even David is called Lord, so the word Lord cannot be translated to mean God. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by UbiPetrus: 3:58am On Aug 12, 2018 |
blueAgent:My point only contradicts your understanding of the flow of conversation. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Aizenosa(m): 6:47am On Aug 12, 2018 |
sonmvayina: This one requires eccles 12:12 |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by sonmvayina(m): 10:49am On Aug 12, 2018 |
Aizenosa: What does the passage say? I don't have a Bible handy and I don't have space for such things.. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Amadaz(m): 12:00pm On Aug 12, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb:Who said Jesus is not at times referred to as the son of David? |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Nobody: 2:59pm On Aug 12, 2018 |
With respect to this issue, the catholic have it more right than other denominations within Christianity. But in actuality, Mary is not the mother of God. She is a representation of the Mother - God in the Christian system. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 10:10pm On Aug 12, 2018 |
UbiPetrus: This meaningless. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 10:13pm On Aug 12, 2018 |
LoJ: What rights? |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by freeradical(m): 7:30am On Aug 13, 2018 |
What a display of ignorance by the OP and his band of Catholic bashers. I love the church because it is the source and pillar of truth. See how the Catholics have responded with scriptural and traditional (based on the apostles) evidence on this topic rather they have kept lying to themselves that Mary is not the mother of God. Let me lay the facts again for you all so you can read again but no Catholic here can make you understand. Only the holy spirit can....especial those of you who claim to be altar servers and born in catholic home. 1. The term Mother of God "Theotokos" as ascribed to Mary is a title. It doesn't mean she is the Mother of the Godhead which is the Father, son and holy spirit. 2. Jesus Christ from the moment of his incarnation(immediately Mary said those words to Angel Gabriel "I am the handmaid of the Lord let it be unto me according to your word", is both man and God the son. That is why none of you can answer to Ubens question that at what point did the God part join the man part that Mary bore 3. St Elizabeth was the first to use this title to describe Mary when she said mother of my Lord. Note the L in Capital...she was at the time carrying John the Baptist so was filled with the Holy spirit when she made this pronunciation. What is filling you guys to come here and dispute that? Definitely not the same Holy spirit. 4. The early church has been through this debacle. There were those who argue for "Christotokos" which means mother of Christ, and these are the Nestorians. We all know how Nestorianism ended....it is a false teaching that the early church fathers dealt with. 5. This is the way the Trinity works. God the father is God, God the son is God, God the holy spirit is God. They are not three Gods but one God because they coexist in perfect harmony. So if Mary is the Mother of God the Son, how does the title Mother of God not fit since God the son is God. 6. Whatever version of Christianity you practise it is folly to keep bashing the Catholic Church. This is because one way or the other there is an element of Catholicism you practise. It is not called the Mother church for nothing. That bible you r quick to brandish was given to you by the church. The church is guided by the holy spirit and all you lot have is the bible, which is a dangerous tool in the hands of someone who lacks the wisdom to correctly interprete its contents. Those books didnt just band themselves together over the centuries, people actually sat down under the guidance of the Holy spirit to piece those books together. You guys do not even know the validity of the version you are carrying now because the original texts were in different languages and before the reformation they were all in Latin. How sure are you the reformers translated every word accurately as the original Latin text they copied from (I'm not talking of the original texts of the books which would have been in Greek or aramaic). Yet if the church comes up with a doctrine you all are quick to argue brandishing your bibles as only evidence. Mary is the Mother of God. That you dont like the sound of it means a different spirit from the spirit of God who chose her to birth the Redeemer is driving you. Be wary of whatever anti Catholic write ups you see online and don't jump to start bashing Catholics. Even Christ said it that the enemy will plant weeds amongst the good seeds. Pray for the Holy spirit to guide you to properly discern the truth. You do not have to be Catholic or agree with the pope. Your salvation is in your hands. You are not going to save any Catholic by dispelling lies and blaspheming against the Mother of God....how dare you call Mary a vessel. Even me never call my mama vessel. Is that what we want to reduce our Mothers to now. Worship the Lord in spirit and truth and stop this hypocrisy! 5 Likes |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Nobody: 8:08am On Aug 13, 2018 |
blueAgent:Perhaps my command of English is wanting, but what I mean is that the catholics are more correct on the issue of Mary than other Christian denominations. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 4:59am On Aug 14, 2018 |
LoJ: Thats totally false, Their view on Mary is totally unscriptural. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Nobody: 5:00am On Aug 14, 2018 |
blueAgent:You are not in a good position to know better than the catholics about scriptures. They are the ones that compiled what you call the scriptures. 4 Likes |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 5:02am On Aug 14, 2018 |
freeradical: Keep decieving yourself. can you prove any of your points from the Bible? |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by MuttleyLaff: 5:36am On Aug 14, 2018 |
blueAgent:1/ Will showing you, where, in the bible, Mary is called mother of Jesus appease you? 2/ Will showing you, with scripture again, that, if same Jesus, is God, then, Mary is mother of God, appease you? Why are you finding it difficult to answer back to the two above earlier questions Reply to those two questions and get a reality check blueAgent:God is the Father while Jesus is his Son, Jesus is God by nature (as being begotten by God) and is God, in personality too Evidences are there, in the bible, that Jesus is God in personality too blueAgent:Jesus and his Father are not equal yet they are the same person. Jesus always did the will of his Father PMB and ordinary Buhari, are not equal, yet they are the same person Buhari always does the will of PMB PMB can do everything ordinary Buhari can do, but ordinary Buhari cant do everything PMB can do I hope you get the gist blueAgent:Do you, at all, really understand this verse you have quoted? You should take a look at Isaiah 55:11 to get some understanding 1 Like |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by jnrbayano(m): 10:07am On Aug 14, 2018 |
https://www.nairaland.com/2347973/catholic-church-celebrates-solemnity-most This will help you Op and allies |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by donpy(m): 10:53am On Aug 14, 2018 |
UbiPetrus: Trust me you need a level of wisdom and understanding to conceive this concept because it transcends beyond logical reasoning. John 1:30- this is he of whom I said "After me comes a man who is preferred before me, for he was before me" If you can understand this statement you will get the point in my last message. John said after me comes a man, who actually was before me. Logically this is wrong english because how will he be after him and still before him? Now you see why I said his spirit and soul eternal but his flesh mortal,and man comprises of Spirit,Soul and Body. John 1:45- we found him of whom Moses in the law and also the prophets wrote- Jesus of Nazareth- the son of Joseph. Now Jesus was referred as the son of Joseph, then why isn't Joseph also seen as the Father of God? Since the Bible declared Jesus as his son. Jesus birth ddnt obey biology rules, thus it is wrong statement to call Mary the mother of God. The reality is that Jesus has been expressed thousands of times even in the Old Testament from the beginning. No woman can conceive without obeying the laws of biology, even with the power of God Sarah conceived but not without Abraham bcus that's a principle. Mary Conceived Jesus by the word of God, she was only a vessel and in no way a mother of God. Before you react to this using your logical reasoning explain how someone will come after someone and still be before someone. (John 1:30) break it down then we can start talking from there, if u can't do that, then don't bother replying. Finally even this my explanation will never be comprehendable to him who has not transcended beyond logical reason. Stay blessed. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by UbiPetrus: 1:14pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
donpy:You keep trying so hard to deny Mary's motherhood, yet Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit confessed Mary as the mother of her Lord(Jesus), contrary to your opinion. "And why is this granted to me, that the MOTHER of my LORD should come to me?" Luke 1:43. She did not say "Why is this granted to me, that the VESSEL of my LORD should come to me." Do you not see what your CERTAIN LEVEL OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING has done to you? Whether Jesus' conception and birth obeyed any biological rule is inconsequential. Mary conceived and gave birth to Jesus and that makes her His mother. "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and give birth to a son" Isaiah 7:14. Even the Holy man, Simeon, under the influence of the Holy Spirit, disagrees with you. Hear him: "Simeon blessed them and said to MARY, his(Jesus') MOTHER: "This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against..." Luke 2:34. Let out the bitterness in your heart, brother, and allow the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth. Pax vobiscum. 2 Likes |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by UbiPetrus: 1:35pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
blueAgent:It is indeed meaningless to the one without understanding. |
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by donpy(m): 4:10pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
UbiPetrus: John 1:45 Jesus of Nazareth- Son of Joseph, Luke being the the son Luke 1:43 why is it granted to me that the mother of my lord should come to me. Wrong Logical Reasoning: With this two verses Mary is the mother of Jesus and since Jesus is the son of God then Mary is the mother of God. Joseph is the father of Jesus and since Jesus is the son of God then Joseph is the Father of God. If you lay your points this way then you making a point clear and good point but simply ignorant point. Sincerely there is no point if you cannot explain what John says in John 1:30 that "After me a man comes a man who is before me" Being able to explain this statement will justify the level of discernment in the things of the spirit because even if you type that statement it's wrong in English or on any logical scale. "After me one will come who was before me" (Who was means been in a state of being before him, reason logically you may never tell or be able to know that Jesus was the Lamb that was substituted for Isaac, was the mountain in the wilderness, and hundreds of situations in the old testament that he expressed himself, logical thinking will just tell u it's a ram � that appeared there, and u pick a scripture and naively explain it using ur intellect which in itself is a limiting factor. |
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