gallivant:




You are killing me.

obaaderemi:
See yourself here below:


Are you still denying the fact I once dealt with you on your disgraceful prejudicial comments? There you have it in black, white and green complete with date.

Well clearly, it meant a lot to you. I have never given it a thought. I'm not sure what your point is and who you thought you "dealt" with. I stated a fact that 4icu and Webometric rankings have little credibility. Times Higher Education and QS university rankings are the credible rankings with parameters that matter in determining the quality of education at an institution. 4icu and Webometric rankings are regularly gamed by low-ranked institutions. The fact remains that in Times Higher Education rankings, only one institution from Kenya and Nigeria were ranked, tied at the same spot for last year. And University of Nairobi has done better in previous rankings. I don't really care to rehash an old argument because of your gloating, so let's stick to what is relevant.

And I don't know how you can compare Hong Kong/Taiwan with enclaves such as Catalonia, Chechnya and even Scotland which just got its Parliament in 1999.. Heck, those countries don't even have their own national currencies. Meanwhile Taiwan and Hong Kong are economic giants. Taiwan on its part until recently preferred to be called Republic of China and today, many of its young people prefer to leave Taiwan to go and seek employment in China. And yet according to you Hong Kong and Taiwan want nothing to do with China. Like I enlightened you earlier, the stumbling block is a case of history. Those guys who run Taiwan are Chinese but would tell you otherwise out of pride. Sooner or later they would go back into China's warm embrace. Things are changing in the Orient, my brother.And your reason for saying "..it's impossible for any other country in the world to be more corrupt than Nigeria".. is both risible and silly in equal measures. I asked you how many other African countries have you experienced life in and then you typed a long winded narration about your experience with Nigerian police. Have you experienced Somali, Ugandan, Kenyan, Eritrean, Pakistani and Bangladeshi police--to name a few? It shows your deep rooted hatred for your own country. Anyway, that's your own brouhaha. Nigeria is in a mess but I repeat its not all gloom and chaos. There is progress and development as well. And the kind of opportunities that are hard to see in other African countries.

That's not the point, so stop moving the goal posts. Different political systems in different countries accord varying levels of autonomy to different states, regions, confederations etc within the sovereign nation. I haven't in any place stated that Hong Kong is exactly identical to Scotland or Palestinian territories or wherever. You were the one who said autonomy and independence are the same thing and I called bullshiit on the claim. Hong Kong is not a sovereign nation, so it is not independent at all. It retains its autonomy at the pleasure of the Chinese government who can revoke it if they please.
And there are a lot more Chinese nationals in Taiwan than there are Taiwanese nationals in China, despite Taiwan having a far more restrictive immigration policy towards Chinese people so I'm not sure what your point is. Read a few accounts of Chinese people here about the hostility of Taiwan towards Chinese immigrants:
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-democratic-Taiwan-not-a-popular-country-for-Chinese-migrants-would-be-to-emigrate-despite-similar-culture-and-language
China is a market of over a billion people and they are neighbors, so of course many Taiwanese businessmen go there to exploit the bigger, less developed market and make more money. Taiwanese don't care to be Chinese. That doesn't mean they are enemies of China. They are not at war, even though China are so obsessed with Taiwan that only the forceful backing of the US has stopped China invading Taiwan, and China has obstructed Taiwan being recognized as a sovereign nation at the UN and went on a crying tantrum when Trump spoke to the Taiwanese president.

And no, there is no progress in Nigeria that is hard to see in other countries. Nigeria if anything is a regressing country with regressing standards of living. The only thing that has ever improved in Nigeria in my 20-something years of life is technology. Which has nothing to do with Nigeria. In the 1990's, my father had a NITEL and a Multilinks landline which made him a celebrity on my street as neighbors came to our house to make calls. A few years later, everyone was carrying GSM handsets around. In my first year in University, I was a celebrity in class cos I had a second hand, Pentium 3 Dell Inspiron and many people did assignments on my system. By my 3rd year, everyone was carrying Core2Duo HP laptops. As far as real welfare goes, poverty rate has massively increased, inflation and cost of living has far exceeded the growth in income, every doctor I know that graduates school goes abroad for greener pastures. So what "progress" are you talking about?

Hbuyosh:


1. because our tourism sector was devasted by waves of terror attacks by the Somalia's Al shabaab militants. But Kenya's tourism prior to the terror attacks was among the big 4 in Africa.

2. And isnt Kenya among the top four biggest investors in Tanzania? Kenya and South Africa have invested in sectors such as retail, banking, insurance, hotels, manufacturing etc, unlike the the Uk, China and Canada who are only there to exploit your mineral and gas. A huge bulk of fdi ic concentrated in the mining sector, which u have in very big quantities, second only to the DRC, yet you are listed among the world's poorest and least developed countries.

So glad you're back ma dude! Muafrika left

You forgot to mention that the reason we are investing in Tanzania is so that they contribute to our debt servicing program.

TayserMahiri:
#FreeBobiWine

Seriously, I heard this great singer was arrested by Museveni. I loved his song KYARENGA.

Why should he really be arrested? What crime did he really commit? I saw the news on Aljazeera and was surprised. Was he a vocal opposition activist?

gallivant:


Ha ha ha

What were they thinking? You can't go to a gunfight with a stick!

We gon crush them for showing up uninvited

TADA!

TayserMahiri:


They are blessed with sportsmen like everyone else but the problem is that in Tanzania the govt has to say; Ok, now go and play! for them to engage in any sport.

What about using common sense, it must be by government decree?

TayserMahiri:


You are actually one of the smartest Nigerians on this thread. Smarter than most including the one arguing against your obvious truths. Btw, you are several orders of magnitude smarter than that guy.

Thats why am sad that anyone in Nigeria would dare try to become Obi2Kenobi via impersonation

Can't you see how Obi1kenobi is now smart to you when he says what you want to hear?
But when he said that the Igbos were the most progressive tribe in Africa the other time, you never thought of that right? Instead you were attacking him and hurling words at him.

Why can't you grow up from these deceptive characters of yours? Sometimes you Kenyans think you are smart, I hope you know that your smartness is like foolishness before Nigerians? We can never be outsmarted by other Africans so easily.

TayserMahiri:


At 32 yrs, Okoye should be married but look at him stupidly swagging like a monkey, chained around his neck like a German Shepherd, in a foreign country. Nigerian parents should start by choosing better names for their kids. Christian Okoye is definitely Irony for a scammer. Unless he needs Christ for his scamming success. If they are short of names they can start using explosive element names in the periodic table!

The Igbos (well, some part) have a culture that encourages people to make wealth before you think of getting married or having children.

This culture of theirs I can't deny has made them somewhat richer on per capital than other Nigerians, but you can see the outcome here. Making money through any means necessary.

In my part of Nigeria, such a person must have been married with a family.

Obi1kenobi:


Well clearly, it meant a lot to you. I have never given it a thought. I'm not sure what your point is and who you thought you "dealt" with. I stated a fact that 4icu and Webometric rankings have little credibility. Times Higher Education and QS university rankings are the credible rankings with parameters that matter in determining the quality of education at an institution. 4icu and Webometric rankings are regularly gamed by low-ranked institutions. The fact remains that in Times Higher Education rankings, only one institution from Kenya and Nigeria were ranked, tied at the same spot for last year. And University of Nairobi has done better in previous rankings. I don't really care to rehash an old argument because of your gloating, so let's stick to what is relevant.



That's not the point, so stop moving the goal posts. Different political systems in different countries accord varying levels of autonomy to different states, regions, confederations etc within the sovereign nation. I haven't in any place stated that Hong Kong is exactly identical to Scotland or Palestinian territories or wherever. You were the one who said autonomy and independence are the same thing and I called bullshiit on the claim. Hong Kong is not a sovereign nation, so it is not independent at all. It retains its autonomy at the pleasure of the Chinese government who can revoke it if they please.
And there are a lot more Chinese nationals in Taiwan than there are Taiwanese nationals in China, despite Taiwan having a far more restrictive immigration policy towards Chinese people so I'm not sure what your point is. Read a few accounts of Chinese people here about the hostility of Taiwan towards Chinese immigrants:
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-democratic-Taiwan-not-a-popular-country-for-Chinese-migrants-would-be-to-emigrate-despite-similar-culture-and-language
China is a market of over a billion people and they are neighbors, so of course many Taiwanese businessmen go there to exploit the bigger, less developed market and make more money. Taiwanese don't care to be Chinese. That doesn't mean they are enemies of China. They are not at war, even though China are so obsessed with Taiwan that only the forceful backing of the US has stopped China invading Taiwan, and China has obstructed Taiwan being recognized as a sovereign nation at the UN and went on a crying tantrum when Trump spoke to the Taiwanese president.

And no, there is no progress in Nigeria that is hard to see in other countries. Nigeria if anything is a regressing country with regressing standards of living. The only thing that has ever improved in Nigeria in my 20-something years of life is technology. Which has nothing to do with Nigeria. In the 1990's, my father had a NITEL and a Multilinks landline which made him a celebrity on my street as neighbors came to our house to make calls. A few years later, everyone was carrying GSM handsets around. In my first year in University, I was a celebrity in class cos I had a second hand, Pentium 3 Dell Inspiron and many people did assignments on my system. By my 3rd year, everyone was carrying Core2Duo HP laptops. As far as real welfare goes, poverty rate has massively increased, inflation and cost of living has far exceeded the growth in income, every doctor I know that graduates school goes abroad for greener pastures. So what "progress" are you talking about?

Your opponent has a habit of proclaiming he "Dealt with somebody" even when to the world he has been smacked on all fronts. Classic loser's tale. Actually, any time he says he 'dealt with you' just know he lost that argument. Dont let him derail your Einsteinian thought process with his bravado intros and proclamations. He has a very weak logical acumen

Nowenuse:


Seriously, I heard this great singer was arrested by Museveni. I loved his song KYARENGA.

Why should he really be arrested? What crime did he really commit? I saw the news on Aljazeera and was surprised. Was he a vocal opposition activist?

Man, the guy has been literally deformed by the police and security apparatus. His crime, ofcos, is that he opposes Museveni removing the age cap limit for the presidency. He is a Member of Parliament.

gallivant:


What about using common sense, it must be by government decree?

Definitely. Their govt has a common sense department, which is the reason they make no sense here. Only when Magufuli declares its Common Sense Day will they make sense

Nowenuse:


Can't you see how Obi1kenobi is now smart to you when he says what you want to hear?
But when he said that the Igbos were the most progressive tribe in Africa the other time, you never thought of that right? Instead you were attacking him and hurling words at him.

Why can't you grow up from these deceptive characters of yours? Sometimes you Kenyans think you are smart, I hope you know that your smartness is like foolishness before Nigerians? We can never be outsmarted by other Africans so easily.

The problem is your short memory. The guy who said Egbos are the smartest folks was Omanbala. Obi2Kenobi is just fine

Nowenuse:


The Igbos (well, some part) have a culture that encourages people to make wealth before you think of getting married or having children.

This culture of theirs I can't deny has made them somewhat richer on per capital than other Nigerians, but you can see the outcome here. Making money through any means necessary.

In my part of Nigeria, such a person must have been married with a family.

Well, no problem with making mulla before you marry but they should cut down on the scamming and illegal ways. We will be shooting them here and they wont do shiet. Toe the line or go back where you came from!
It could be that they need morals pushed down their throats.

Nowenuse:


You are correct, but your analogy is very weak.
The kind of autonomy which Hong Kong boasts of is greatly different from that of your afore-mentioned.

Hong Kong is practically independent of Mainland China except in name and military (which I'm not sure of).

Mainland chinese citizens do not have the right to free entry and exit from HK without first going through strict immigration procedures. Chinese citizenship does not qualify anyone for permanent residence within HK.
This is unlike Tibet where waves of migrations of Han chinese into Tibet have rendered native Tibetans a minority within their own so called 'Autonomous region'.

The communist party of China is not allowed in HK politics. There is no single form of judiciary or legislative bond binding Mainland China and HK. They practically function as independent countries unlike the examples of Autonomous provinces within countries you mentioned above!

Pro-Beijing political groups have 42/70 legislatve council seats and 327/458 district council seats in Hong Kong.
That's an asss-whooping majority.
Why would the people of HK favour pro-Beijing parties in a majority if they strongly want to dissociate from Mainland China?

China is not obsessed with Taiwan in the sense that you put it. China just doesn't want Taiwan to be a puppet and 'parking lot' of the west, with which the west can easily penetrate or intimidate China.

This is a bit of a wasted history, geography and politics lesson. What's your point? Where have I stated that every autonomous entity has the exact same level of autonomy? Where was that ever my argument? The only thing I sought to refute was his claim that autonomy and independence were somehow the same thing. Which is wrong. That is all.
Oh, and you come to my point. Hong Kong citizens only support Chinese unification as long as they retain the immense privileges of autonomy they enjoy which makes them almost a sovereign entity. China is very important to Hong Kong's economy and they need to milk the wealth of the richest Chinese who reside and run businesses in Hong Kong. The day the Chinese government look to upend the liberties of Hong Kong citizens is the day they sharply lose support. Even now, a plurality of Hong Kong youth below 25 favour complete independence from China.

And yes, China are obsessed with Taiwan. Hence the Chinese government throwing a tantrum because Trump even spoke the Taiwanese leader. Taiwan just want to be left in peace. China are the ones looking to impose their will on Taiwan, which Taiwan resists.

Do you know how much pride many Europeans take in the joint EU identity?
Why do many South Koreans act positively hypertensive over a thought of unity with the North in spite of how seemingly backwards the north is to them?
Why are East Africans working on a united East african federation?
There have been conceptions of a united Arab republic, just that the Arabs of today have given up on that cos they know it would hardly work.

Do not deceive yourself that people of smaller ethnicities or nationalities would not wish they were part of a bigger and more influential identity. They just wouldn't wish for a bigger identity with a union that opposes their core values, ways and fairness of existence.

As bitter as the division of Yugoslavians was, there are still many pro-unity Serbs, Bosnians and Croats today

The EU is an economic bloc. It's popularity is in its utility value to EU citizens who can get to freely trade and travel across borders. When you ask Europeans where they're from, they'd still tell you whether they are German, French, British, Italian, Spanish, Swiss, Danish, Greek etc. That is where their true pride lies: in their heritage. Nobody says, "I'm from the EU".
EVerything else you're talking about is economic blocs.
The most ridiculous part is the one about Yugoslavs. Those guys hated each other with a passion: they'd happily have slaughtered themselves if bigger powers didn't intervene. Croats, Albanians, Bosnians and Montenegrin absolutely despise Serbs. Till today, everytime they meet each other in football matches, massive security is deployed to forestall violence breaking out and violence still breaks out. When Xhaka and Shaqiri (both ethnic Albanians from Kosovo) scored for Switzerland against Serbia, both of them went to taunt the Serbian fans who booed them throughout.

There is no "self-deception" in saying people from small countries are happy to be who they are. Scandinavians have far more in common than many Nigerian tribes, but they are happy to be Swedes or Norwegians or Danes or Icelandic people. They don't care to be one big country to boost their egos. Swiss people are mostly ethnic Germans, but are more than happy to be little Switzerland. Belgium is made up of ethnic Dutch and French people, but they are happy to be Belgian. jInfact, the French part, Wallonia, have many citizens who wish to form their own republic separate from the Flemish people. Tiny countries like Leichtenstein, Faroe Islands and San Marino who have smaller populations than some universities in Nigeria don't care to join anyone. You find it difficult to understand that many people aren't driven by vain nationalism, but by patriotism. Nationalism and patriotism can seem synonymous, but they are entirely different concepts.

This point of yours reeks of utter myopia. Anyone reading through this will see how clearly Obaaderemi has made his point here while you keep regurgitating your pointless opinion.
No matter how wicked one's mother is to him, He can't conclude that she is the most wicked mother in the world cos there would always be a mother somewhere who has done something more wicked. Also, definition of wickedness could be objective.

You haven't experienced life in all other countries of the world nor in Africa or even west Africa alone. So, you have no basis on claiming Nigeria is the most corrupt country in Africa or anywhere. The best we can do is rely on statistics and even those statistics do not cite Nigeria as the most corrupt country. Period.

I know Nigeria is in a terrible state, but so are most African countries and even 3rd world countries at large.

The other day, I was watching some news of Fillipino prisoners. Gosh! Dozens of prisoners were stuffed in a metal cage (this was not even a room) and they have been awaiting trial for months locked in there.
Regularly, I see news, images and reports from other 3rd world countries (many who rank higher than Nigeria on income, human index and all manners of transparency reports), but these images send chills down my spines.
I am from northern Nigeria and I can say I've witnessed the highest form of 'Nigerian poverty and sufferings' first hand, but many atimes, it's not as bad as what I see from other countries that are ranked ahead of Nigeria.

I was formerly the type who thought many other African countries or 3rd world countries were far better than Nigeria.
My opinion largely changed over the years as I have come to the conclusion that no 3rd world country (especially African country) is worth me considering far better than Nigeria especially to the extent I wish to trade my Nigerian citizenship for.

I rather aspire to be among those who fix the terrible state of Nigeria and make it what I wish it becomes.
Every progress you see in any country was brought about by the sweat and blood of the predecessors of the inhabitants of the country. I rather make Nigeria better for my offsprings or I die trying.

Loool @ the emboldened. If the 13 states of the North East and North West of Nigeria were countries on its own, it'd be the poorest in the world. Bar none. I can think of a host of countries considered "3rd world" across Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America that I would easily trade for if I was to be reincarnated into this world. Anyone suggesting otherwise is in deep denial.

I don't see the relevance of the last paragraph. No one is arguing about what we need to do to fix the country. This is about those who wouldn't even concede how deep the problems of the country are.

Nowenuse:


Can't you see how Obi1kenobi is now smart to you when he says what you want to hear?
But when he said that the Igbos were the most progressive tribe in Africa the other time, you never thought of that right? Instead you were attacking him and hurling words at him.

Why can't you grow up from these deceptive characters of yours? Sometimes you Kenyans think you are smart, I hope you know that your smartness is like foolishness before Nigerians? We can never be outsmarted by other Africans so easily.

You're kidding right? I have never, ever made any kind of supremacist comments about Igbos here. Ever. If anything, it irritates me and I've called out many Igbos, especially fellow Anambrarians, who engage in that silly chest-beating nonsense. Abeg, never slander me like that again.

TayserMahiri:


Your opponent has a habit of proclaiming he "Dealt with somebody" even when to the world he has been smacked on all fronts. Classic loser's tale. Actually, any time he says he 'dealt with you' just know he lost that argument. Dont let him derail your Einsteinian thought process with his bravado intros and proclamations. He has a very weak logical acumen

Well said. People wonder why I don't like that fool, it's because he is an empty vessel and they make the most noise! I can't stand his B.S.!

TayserMahiri:


We gon crush them for showing up uninvited

TADA!

I have been waiting all day for them, they didnt show. They must be tired from last night's sleep.

TayserMahiri:


So glad you're back ma dude! Muafrika left

You forgot to mention that the reason we are investing in Tanzania is so that they contribute to our debt servicing program.

Good points.

gallivant:


Did you compare home ownership, single parent homes and prison populations between the two nations. Prosperous doesn't cut it, we don't take shortcuts to prosperity. Most educated, please, some of you can't construct a simple sentence!

Nigerians are the most educated immigrants in the U.S. You can do your research on that. So don't come here to spew your hardworking nonsense with nothing valuable to show for it.

TayserMahiri:


What are you saying my friend? The Billgates and Zuckerbergs of this world have none of that "most educated' tag bs. Thats for book slaves.

So are Kenyans producing the Bill gates and Zuckerbeg's of this world? you only said Kenyans are hardworking, what kind of hardwork? in what way have the Kenyan citizens stood out?

gallivant:


I don't think there is any city of the world without street beggars. When Dangotelanders claim Lagos is devoid of the the latter, I presume they are on manoeuvres. But that is just me.

Around the airport Lagos City or the highlands is not thesame as Lagos State, and even in Lagos State, there are no beggars everywhere like he said.
There is no need for manoeuvres when discussing with Kenyans since you also have giant issues.

Daejoyoung:

Nigerians are the most educated immigrants in the U.S. You can do your research on that. So don't come here to spew your hardworking nonsense with nothing valuable to show for it.

Kenyans, Ugandans and Rwandese...Real Muthaphuckkin G's...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuapp9SORA

sufferNsmiling:


I have told you many times I am not igbo

You are either a Kenyan or a wannabe biafran.

gallivant:


Did you compare home ownership, single parent homes and prison populations between the two nations. Prosperous doesn't cut it, we don't take shortcuts to prosperity. Most educated, please, some of you can't construct a simple sentence!

So you mean your pride in speaking the language of the colonial masters is how you measure education?

Daejoyoung:

So you mean your pride in speaking the language of the colonial masters is how you measure education?

Colonial or Global, Nature vs Nurture, David vs Goliath, Is Heaven Real etc... am a Realest! So, are you asking for my opinion on the English language or are you questioning the Pride of my African Heritage? Be clearer, your question is a dilettante!

gallivant:


Colonial or Global, Nature vs Nurture, David vs Goliath, Is Heaven Real etc... am a Realest! So, are you asking for my opinion on the English language or are you questioning the Pride of my African Heritage? Be clearer, your question is a dilettante!

The Germans and Chinese, are they mostly illiterates because they don't speak English?? Even among Germans who speak their language, not all speak it the proper way but this has never been a measure of their education, rather they stand out by their works and qualifications.