kayfra:
I hate the reverse engineering of Yoruba culture to fit some judeo-christian narrative. It is downright shameful

kayfra:
I hate the reverse engineering of Yoruba culture to fit some judeo-christian narrative. It is downright shameful

Olu317:
No one is engineering Judeo-christian narrative to fit into Yoruba culture but ancient Hebrew that existed before Judaism existed. Do you even know Mossa was also eaten in ancient Hebrew Land as a form of unleavened Bread?
If you have problem with seeing from people's opinion who have been researching the claims by some western scholars in the past,then pick interest in reading ancient Hebrew's history. So that you will have evidence to counter some of us that have dug deeper than you people.
And if you can't do such strenuous research,then read through to add to your own knowledge.

absoluteSuccess:




Thanks, may whatever you believe in bless you.

Only a fool takes instruction from people without the slightest iota of knowledge, insight or idea of history or knowledge of the subject they dabble into.

Stop perusing what your brain capacity cannot process.

kayfra:


Mossa? That is useless info. Anecdotal at best

kayfra:


My brain tells me you are going on a fool's errand. Concocting trash all over the place, hijacking Jewish history like it's some gold standard probably because they documented their myths well and sold it to us

RedboneSmith:
Sorry to bring this here but I don't know where else to take it. Absolutesuccess, what does the Yoruba name Ogbori mean, and do the Itsekiri people also have that name or a name similar to it?

kayfra:
I hate the reverse engineering of Yoruba culture to fit some judeo-christian narrative. It is downright shameful

HajimeSaito:


It's obvious the person you're dealing with swims in the most shallow end of the intelligence pool. Your observations are completely lost on him.

absoluteSuccess:


hmm,

To see someone from this angle means you are swimming in the very full end of the intelligent pool. What a lofty post void of wisdom.

A man can swim in intelligence and still lack wisdom, knowledge and understanding, and will fail to see it even if anyone else has it.

You can't comprehend anything beyond your intelligence quotient. Wise men swim at the shallow ends, but fools drown with pride.

Can you start swimming from the deepest end?

bibi ire kosee f'owo ra.

absoluteSuccess:


hmm,

To see someone from this angle means you are swimming in the very full end of the intelligent pool. What a lofty post void of wisdom.

A man can swim in intelligence and still lack wisdom, knowledge and understanding, and will fail to see it even if anyone else has it.

You can't comprehend anything beyond your intelligence quotient. Wise men swim at the shallow ends, but fools drown with pride.

Can you start swimming from the deepest end?

bibi ire kosee f'owo ra.

HajimeSaito:




Wisdom, intelligence and knowledge are not strangers, they are all part of the same deal. It is impossible for an intelligent man to lack wisdom and knowledge. Indeed intelligence is the physical manifestation of both those qualities (wisdom and knowledge) and the more intelligent a man is, the better he is at applying wisdom and knowledge to the difficult task of navigating his way through life.

You may wallow in self pity for as much as you want, but no honest person will ever accept plagiarism and reinvention as signs of true intelligence in much the same way as a clever conman will never be regarded as a genius.

Olu317:
It is impossible for some people to understand because they eyes but can't see.They have ears but can't hear. I remember vividly your advice and I want you to use it because,these group of antagonists can't decipher nothing but feign . Òrò yì rì bì, Àì fì ènì p’ènì àì f’ènìyàn p’eniyan, l’àrà oko fìn sàn bàntè wò'lu
Orìsìrìsì èdà lo wà nì NL. I hope you will not loose sight of it.


Cheers

absoluteSuccess:


My brother,

If we refuse to do the brain work, someone else will do it better, its thus better to be on the job and get better on it, everyone has what they believe in and excel at.

I am black and shine, I'm not black and dull, so let's shine in whatsoever we do.

absoluteSuccess:
'blackman-blackmind'. Always playing the race card to a fault.

I'm black, I don't make anything out of it, it never stops me from shining ever so bright and rocking my generation, it never shall stop me from teaching the world what is never known to her. I'm not into "I'm black and proud", its 'inferiority complex' lingo. I am to shine as black. 'I'm black and so be it'. It is not my strength or my weakness. It never stop me from shining as a star, its a opportunity to excel at a course.

The world is not about whiteness/blackness all the time. There is no black race, white race, pink race and so on and so forth, from the onset. Its all 'human race'. All mankind shares common experience and inter-connectivity from the onset of time. But people fixed in 'the racist bloc' cannot come out of the bloc or shall ever think out of the box, its a fixed context. Race-mongers are often racists and hatists in their own race itself, and self-conscious individuals who does not want to mix with anyone in the first place. This becomes a worldview in them, they are only comfortable in their skin.

To this folks, the race surpass everything humanity have in common. The class struggle dialectics is all they want to see or hear about, arguments like 'black is better than white', 'white populate the world', 'black phenotype is the origin of man' and so on. People fixed in this box are waiting earnestly for where and when the next stunning scientific discovery that will stupefy their opponent will come from, meaning, they are not making ingenious mental progress of their own, they are waiting for one 'expert' with magic wand to 'fix it' and supply 'the missing link'. So, you earn their wrath if you are not colour conscious.

The world was not started by any race, but one race or the other will dominate at one time or the other. Scientists didn't create the world but scientists came and did their studies of nature. Linguist did not create language, but they did their studies on it. Historians did not invent history, they are students of their studies, religion not left out. There shall be no holds barred, all men shall be free to study any aspect of peculiar interest.

When men tell you that you do not have the qualification to make conclusions, they are projecting their innate weakness or excuses for lack of perception to you. Nature did not wait for linguists to teach you how to speak and use your cognitive ability. If the Wright brothers were to wait for what the experts have to say, the Aeroplane wont have been flying in the sky. The experts are specialists, you are a generic user in their area of specialty, you are not a dummy. Nothing stops you from being smarter than specialists given the tools and expertise borne out experience.

specialists will always consult men of experience from all walks of life and generic orientation. Have you seen a man diligent in his works? Before king he shall stand, he will not stand before mere men.

Prov. 22:29.

OlaoChi:


In all this long epistle not one thing is evidence of your claims.

Do you see something is wrong with your claims?

As to the Proverbs quote, quite nice but you are not deligent in your work, if you were we would know your contribution to the world of knowledge but unfortunately nairaland is where it all comes to rest

I know you Hebrew people dread challenges and questions but you can't run away from it

Since you all do not have any form of training (acedemic or traditional) I urge you to take this claims up to a university department of anthropology or history or any of the main social science and humanities faculty
That is where such "academical revolutionary ideas" belongs

absoluteSuccess:
Do you see something is wrong with such claims?

Thank God you acknowledge my capacity for long epistle: I can produce volumes of incredible works on a given topic in my field of experience, but how about you and scanty points? You will ever wait unto people to learn and have nothing tangible to offer once no one produce any masterpiece in the academia for you.


Not at all, a diligent man is supposed to share his findings with kings, not mean men. I'm a christian, and the bible says, 'Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Since you have been hunting for claims trailing me, had I ever earn one good compliment from you? I'm not good enough for you because there is no good in you to offer anyone than mudfight. Only swines does that.

No, as early as 2007, I've been writing and self-publishing books in my 20s. My first book was produced 2007 and my second title was on Yoruba, 'Yorubas Glorious Secrets' (2009). But I only discover as a young writer in a country of people who do not really fancy reading that much, I must create alternative source to survive. I'd want to survive as an author or publisher.

At a spot in Ikeja in 2007 I was selling my book and a man made a comment, 'aa saa jeun' meaning, 'we must eat' I felt terribly bad to think that all I'm doing was reduced to a mussel of bread by a stranger. There are people whose utmost idea of whatever you might be doing is trash, they have no excellence in them, so they can't see how what you are doing is of any excellence.

Out there, they think you are doing it for piecemeal, here they think you don't have the right to do this or do that: it is left to you to choose if your passion is their passion or their passion is your passion. Albeit, their passion is to stop you from actualizing what you have passion for. When you quit, you actualize their passion, they succeeded in making you quit. Well, don't give up.

But to late Prof. Akinwunmi Ishola, he said he has been reading Yoruba history in the past but none has been written in my style. I said sir, is it a good work? and he said, 'yes, very well'. He has excellence, so your aspiration to something excellent cannot be a threat to him. Well, that's not an achievement to me, it simply means I have a unique contribution to make to the body corpus of knowledge.

The word hebrew transliterate to iberu, or Eberu in Yoruba: If you have a sense of history, I'll remind you of Ojo-'beru, its the name of an icon in Yoruba that may be an hebrew. He is so called because he is fearless. Hebrew means eberu and its the word for courageous or fearlessness in Yoruba. iberu is the dread, and the dread is on you.

"Hebrew " from old French Ebreu, From Latin Hebraeus, From Greek Hebraios, from Aramaic Ebrai, from Hebrew Ibri meaning "one from the other side(of the Euphrates)

www.etymonline.com/word/hebrew

If you have a product and you don't know your target audience, that product has already failed. Never mind, you have no product, so you have nothing to lose. Plato started the academia and wrote the republic and other works, his students became philosophers and today philosophy is a branch of knowledge in the university. Plato was originally a student of Socrates. Both were not products of any university.

When you have valid knowledge or contributions that can add value or new insight to human development in any sphere of life, patent it and keep the copyright. The University will come to learn from you. That's how its suppose to be. But if you have no clue as to why you are here, the University will teach you what you can do to add meaningful contributions to further human development.

When you produce a good work, launch it, and your readers will become great teachers and recommend your contributions to the ministry of education, and you might be awarded a doctorate degree, honorary caucus. I'm joking, work and improve on your job, many have no content but context, but only few have both content and context. When you do, create a platform to embrace your idea and the academia may take note of your contribution if need be. You are serving humanity, not the academy.

Take away is, there are people that goes to the university, and there are people that the university goes to, hence the university is a school to fan the embers of knowledge in custody of man, not where human knowledge is reduced to trash.

I want to hope you are learning?

OlaoChi:
this is just too funny. How is this about me?
At least you know very well that I state facts established and published by recognized institutions and researchers.

Anybody can claim Yoruba came from anywhere, some claim Arab some claim Sudan, some claim Egypt, you can olu claim Hebrew
I like to think we came from the Japanese

[b]Mizu - Omi - water
Otsuki - Osupa/Osukpa - Moon
Shogun - Ogun - relating to war and military[/b]And many more

So don't say I can't reinvent, I engage in writing adventure fiction and gain inspiration from many cultures and historical events so I know history and I know how to spot fact from fiction, evidence from imagination. I know when I see another fictional imaginative narration

There is nothing wrong in relying on historians to learn history, stop trying to be what you are not trained to be.
With this you have already invalidated yourself and your claims establishing yourself to be a fraud, because you do not rely on historians, you just admitted to reinventing history to suit your need for relevance in life

Lmao how am I mean? This is not a big issue, you say Yoruba are Hebrews, I have asked for proof to no end what else do you expect to be called then if not funny clowns? It is not being mean, again if you are diligent we would know by the time you start dropping evidence left and right, even I will join your Hebrew squad

Also if you intend to share your findings with "kings" *(quite poetic) why are you posting the claims without the evidence and expect sane people to take you seriously?
Since we are dogs on nairaland

Your religion has done you more harm than good, driven you to worshipping the people who started the religion


Trailing you?? Lmao. You wish

Are you hungry for compliments? I don't understand

I just ask for evidence all this emotional outburst is unnecessary

while your experience is sad it is has nothing to do with your lack of scholarship and expertise, that is something you chose, it takes nothing to study and build yourself on the subject, you are not better than those who studied history and Linguistics for years

So distorting Yoruba history is suppose to be your meal ticket? Do not blame unemployment
Neither should you blame the Nigerian people for not purchasing your book when you are not affiliated with any institution. You can volunteer your services to a university department and publish your findings through them or even make use of their journals as your source and seek their support for publishing and distribution, that is what researchers do, you are no researcher if you are afraid of doing this, or maybe you have tried and were rejected

In summary, Reinventing history is not hustling it is wrong

And in that regard how well has it gone for you since 2007 or whenever it was that you started your Hebrew claims?
My advice to engage in academia should not be lost on you if you are really serious.

good for you then. But where is the evidence? We are still on that spot

You see why you need training? You don't know the very basics of the subject you want to teach nairaland but get angry when corrected or questioned

I know you will be pissed off and won't learn from this but here goes...



I guess you know more than linguists and actual Hebrew speakers

Ibẹru means Fear not fearlessness



anyone who doesn't know better would think you are one of those you say have content and context, but here's the thing you do not live in the 5th century BC you live in the 21st century AD so you cannot pioneer what already exists neither can you dismiss what actual historians say when you are no historian yourself. That is why I said go learn the basics which you obviously lack or if you feel you are above that you should goband challenge them to their face in the history department not nairaland where you cry and then you get pissed when asked for evidence as if you expect same people to take you seriously

Since you have targeted nairaland audience, why do you get angry when your audience ask for evidence to back up your claims?

0balufonlll:


Baba, e ku ishe.

Abeg, while you are doing your findings & discoveries, abeg, no distort the etymology & historical truth about the prefix of my surname & many other Ife aborigenes.

Olu is different from Elu & vice versa. Olu & Akinkanju are the same while Elu is an entirely different thing with a different meaing tied to history.

In summary, Elu is old Ife for village/quarters hence Ife Mefa, Elu Meje. Abeg baba, a good number of Omo Okunrin & Omo Obinrin Elu read NL and more will in the future, let us not confuse some of them who are not in tune with Ile-Ife cultural history.

Thanks baba.

God bless.

Addendum: ehen, I noticed your diacritics are not very correct. For example your:

‘Èmí òmò àrùgbò ìlè Àbìkà lòrùn’

Your Emi is do mi which gives it the meaning of emi as in life. Emi as in me/I is do re.

Your Omo is wrong. Omo as in child is re re.

Your arugbobis do do do, that has no meaning in Yoruba. Arugbo as in elderly one is ‘re mi mi’.

Your Ile is do do makes no sense either. Ile is re mi.

Your Abika is do do do which is wrong. Abika is re do do.

Now I see all your Yoruba accents are in dodo. Why do you do this?

I automatically thought you were versed in Yoruba when you said I tricked you by not outting accents on Baale (area chief) & Baale (compound head). Now looking at your posts, all of your Yoruba accents are totally wrong. I honestly do not understand sir - how do you talk about being tricked because I did not put accents on two different words but your own accents are totally wrong. Do you just use accents for aesthetics, to appear serious? Why use the diacritics at all if you don’t know how to? It is kind of fraudulent o.

This is bad for the reputation you are trying to build here as a Yoruba schoar.

Olu317:
Oh no no no no bro. I am ‘Olu' by real name and not just moniker. If you are damn versatile as you feel ,then don't distort. My research is strictly based on my finding. Olu is simply ‘Lord'. How on earth did Akinkanju became same as Olu ? Study Study and ask Elders. Olu was derived from the name of Lord God,Èl-èdumàrè. The Èl is a pefix to the name Èdùmàrè. So please dont paint ILEIFE as if you own it because it belonged to all bonafide YORUBAS. Have you not seen Èdumàre used severally without the ÈL ? Ìlù-,Élù,-Èlu is same everywhere but tongue changes but trust me,the same way you don't know the meaning of Adimula is the same way you can't understand what is greater than you. THIS ONE IS GREATER THAN YOU!
Seek answers from Èlèdümàrè, the maker of mankind and spend your money on research.


Cheers

0balufonlll:


I can go on & on with an appropriate response but man’s busy.

When are you going to address the false accents you are using on Yoruba words? .

Cheers.