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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 2:07pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
rvp2018:An the dimwits keep on praising him here.The dude is the Kim of Africa an the followers just brainwashed crazies too lazy to power the remaining neurons for their betterment. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 2:12pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Kazikazi: Intelligent people understand the ranking but hey I wouldnt tell if ya one if them. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Obi1kenobi(m): 3:15pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
obaaderemi: 1) So autonomy and independence are no more the same thing - as you claimed before and spent several comments since then on tangential ramblings trying to defend. Is that why Taiwan being independent is suddenly wrong to you? I thought independence and autonomy were the same thing? If Taiwan were autonomous, isn't it independent? ![]() 2) Keep pretending you don't know what "sovereignty" means. Taiwan is a sovereign nation with complete control of all its affairs. When you were hilariously trying to tell me what "for all intents and purposes" means, I've said Taiwan is the nation the term applies to. Because despite only being recognized by 20-something nations, it functions "for all intents and purposes" as a sovereign, independent state. Taiwan maintains its own military for starters. Hong Kong does not. Taiwan maintains diplomatic posts all over the world. Hong Kong doesn't. Taiwan is not subject to the same influence that China's National People's Congress has on Hong Kong's domestic politics. Nor is its media suppressed by China's government. Your Olympics point is irrelevant (as always). Scotland whose autonomy you derided present a team in pretty much every international sport: football, rugby, cricket etc. I guess it's "independent" too, eh? You are so all over the place with disjointed logic, it's genuinely exhausting arguing with you. All this tangents about Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc arose because you couldn't accept that plenty of nations are not driven by vain, nationalistic egos to attach themselves to something bigger. It's impossible for nationalistic Nigerians like you to comprehend that merely being a "big" country arouses no "envy" from anyone. It's a pointless vanity trip to brag about your size, when you can't brag about the welfare of your citizens. The size only came about because the British, for easier adminstration lumped a bunch of people together in a large, dysfunctional union. And then you beat your chests about it like it's an achievement. If I came from a country like Gabon or Botswana, why the fucck would I "envy" Nigeria, which would just look to me like a good-for-nothing "giant"?
Irrelevant rationalizations there. No period in the history of human civilization has experienced anything like the economic boom of the 20th century. Plenty of 1st world world advanced nations today built their wealth in the 20th century. If Nigeria kept pace with its rapid development heading into the Civil War, it would be an advanced nation today. India in 1960 was a shiithole no better off than Nigeria was at the time. Nigeria slipping behind those countries has nothing to do with its precolonial ancient history, but with its profound post-colonial failures. If you don't like India, you can use Indonesia. I compare Nigeria to these countries because of their populations and how they've managed to drag hundreds of millions of their citizens out of poverty while Nigeria's continues to rise. And no, Kenya is not faring badly. If you know how to read data, you'd understand Kenya are well poised to reap massive boons from changes in demography (they are living 10 years longer than Nigerians, and have a lower fertility rate than Nigerians who breed like rats - resulting in a more productive working population), ambitious infrastructural investment (with a budget almost equal to Nigeria's despite a quarter of the population) and policies targeted at the low-income working class (urban housing schemes, heath insurance) which would continue to improve the lives of poorer citizens. They have already reaped these boons (with a 10% slash in poverty rate over the last decade according to World Bank, while Nigeria's poverty rate has grown) and are poised to keep reaping it. They are poised to be competing with the likes of Botswana in the near future. Nigeria isn't. Them's the facts "my boy". Deal with it. 6 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 4:45pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi:So you now agree Taiwan and Hong Kong really want to associate with China? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() And in Africa with the way countries were formed and handled by the Europeans, large countries would more likely than not have problems because of their politics and low level manufacturing. Look at Ghana and Kenya for instance. They are small and should be compared to countries like Argentina and Vietnam. So,mister ,explain why they are not like those countries if their policies are really working. Or are the former backward because they are black countries ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 4:56pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
obaaderemi:Case close? ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 5:06pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
obaaderemi: For "all intents and purposes" you are an idiot. ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 6:03pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Obi1kenobi(m): 6:18pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
obaaderemi: No. I agreed no such thing. It seems you've now evolved from misrepresenting positions, to outright fabricating them. All because you don't know the difference between autonomy and independence.
1) That was not the argument. The argument was originally about the fact that smaller nations are not driven by the same vain ambitions as big nations, and have no reason to "envy" them as you claim. Everything else about Taiwan, Hong Kong etc were tangential to that central point. 2) I harboured an erroneous notion about Hong Kong before researching polling data about independence support, and didn't even recall I typed that wrong notion in my post. It was an oversight, rather than a "lie" - it would make no sense to lie about something when your post on it remains in plain sight for all to see. You have abandoned trying to make sense with cogent arguments and kept on trying to score points with that oversight in your desperation. An oversight that is hardly central to the point I was making. You instead go on wild tangents that have no relevance to a point, all to misdirect from the simple fact you were wrong about a point. This is why several posts later, you can't concede that your earlier dismissive, smug claim that independence and autonomy are the same thing was wrong. 3) Taiwan hasn't declared independence because China has explicitly threatened military force if it does so: http://en.people.cn/200503/14/eng20050314_176746.html Taiwan, a country of 1.6% of China's population has zero hope of defeating China in a military conflict. So Taiwan has learnt to go about its business without needlessly provoking China. This point has no relevance to the fact that Taiwan is independent "for all intents and purposes" and Hong Kong isn't. And has no relevance to the fact Taiwan rejects any union with China. And yes, Taiwan fears China. That doesn't mean it "envies" China. I feared the big bully in class when I was small. Doesn't mean I "envied" the half-wit.
India has over 2,000 ethnic groups with Hindis (about 40%) being the biggest (all the rest are less than 10% like Bengalis, Punjabis, Gujaratis, Tamils etc). It's a very complex society and they've had a lot of internal strife and military conflicts, and still have tensions with Pakistan today. They're ahead of us because of better governance. Has nothing to do with the Europeans. We are the architects of our failures. Funny enough, the amount of aid Kenya and Ghana receive has a lot to do with how progressive they are. Ever wonder why Obama visited both countries, but not Nigeria, the "giant"? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Obi1kenobi(m): 6:28pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
nemesis8u: I'm Nigerian. And Nigeria is a shiithole. Are you offended at my choice of language or are you offended because you believe I'm factually inaccurate? The advancement of India and Pakistan's nuclear programs have no relevance to the welfare of its citizens. I have praised India's rapid poverty alleviation through the 90's to today. Before that, India was a shiithole for hundreds of millions of people who don't get to enjoy the perks of working in nuclear labs. I wouldn't refer to India today as a shiithole, seeing its progressive strides. I would decades ago though. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 6:37pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
obaaderemi:Nigeria is the largest receiver of foreign aid in West Africa When foreign aid is withdrawn from Nigeria, just like it has been withdrawn from Ghana the entire health and education sector in Nigeria will collapse the aid is the only thing keep health care and education afloat in Nigeria they are pretty much in a bad state 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Daejoyoung: 6:39pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Just30:Can you provide proof of this? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:15pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by wizzzmike: 7:23pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Daejoyoung: Top 10 United States Aid Recipients In Africa 1. Egypt - 1.2 Billion 2. Ethiopia – 1.1 Billion 3. Kenya - 1.1 Billion Dollars Kenya is the second highest receiver of United States Aid in East Africa and most of the money is used For curbing the menace of HIV/AIDS, Peace, conflict and security, Emergency response. 4. Uganda - 741 Million Dollars 5. Ghana -724 Million Used mostly for General Budget support, which included Energy Agriculture, Basic Health. 6. Nigeria - 718 Million Dollars Africa's largest economy is ranked 6th highest receiver of United states Aid in Africa.. and most of the money received is used in curbing HIV/AIDS, Emergency Response, Basic Health, Maternal and Child Health, Family Planning 7. Tanzania – 629 Million Dollars 8. South Africa - 597 Million Dollars 9. Mozambique - 514 Million Dollars 10. Liberia - 574 Million Dollars 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Shaytun: 7:24pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Daejoyoung:
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 7:28pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Daejoyoung: This is a well known fact. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Shaytun: 7:30pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi: No..Nigeria is not a shithole. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Shaytun: 7:31pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
NairobiWalker:Yes it is..
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:45pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Obi1kenobi(m): 7:51pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
nemesis8u: Of course. I've said it on this very thread that Nigeria's failure of leadership is a product of its dysfunctional culture. Did you see anyone here disputing that? 4 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:56pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 9:45am On Aug 25, 2018 |
Daejoyoung:https://borgenproject.org/top-10-recipients-of-u-s-foreign-aid/ 12 Biggest African Recipients Of Foreign Aid From The United States Written by Peter Pedroncelli May 12, 2017 49 SHARES Share Tweet Share U.S. foreign aid helps to light up Nigeria through sustainable means. Image: usaid.gov Nigeria – $592 million Heathcare-related activities were top of the pile for Nigeria in terms of foreign aid, with projects to combat AIDS and malaria, as well as improve maternal and child survival rates in Nigeria received the most funding for the U.S. Other key initiatives include basic education and sustainable energy. https://moguldom.com/139167/12-biggest-african-recipients-of-foreign-aid-from-the-united-states/8/ According to the OECD report, Nigeria received a total of 2.5 billion dollars in aid in the year 2016 and it increased to 2.7 billion in 2017
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 12:12pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
Just30:No,Kofi. Your brother wizimike already proved Ghana is by far the largest receiver of aid in west Africa per capita. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 12:23pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
gallivant:Hahahaha,Is that hard to see?. ![]()
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by lennymutai(m): 1:33pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
Nigerian men causing trouble in Eastlands NaiNotepad By Nairobian team 1 day ago Share this Story by Taboola In April this year, a city court ordered for the immediate deportation of Nigerian national, Okeke Patrick Godwin Chukwudu. The court determined that the 56-year-old man had lived in the country without valid documents, and preyed on hundreds of Kenyan women, often dumping them for others, as a cruel means of survival. Image One of the aggrieved women went to court, pouring out her tribulations suffered in the hands of Okeke. Chief magistrate Francis Andayi ordered police and immigration officers last April to immediately extradite him. In the court, the Nigerian was portrayed as an illegal immigrant who feasted on gullible women by first promising them the good things in life. Meanwhile, he emptied their bank accounts and had sex with them before fleeing once the cash taps dry, leaving behind heartbroken and bankrupt Kenyan ladies. Okeke is the epitome of a typical Nigerian con artist who when not enslaving a woman with love, is scheming how to make quick money without breaking a sweat. Welcome to the wild world of some Nigerian men who have made Nairobi home until recently, most Nigerians preferred living in city’s upmarket addresses. But now, they are all over and have taken Eastland’s by storm, leaving Kenyan Eastlanders a worried lot thanks to the foreigners’ love charm, bottomless pockets and partying addition. The influx is manifest in Umoja, Savana, Tena, Utawala, Mihango, Kasarani, Roysambu, Zimmerman, Mlolongo, Athi River and Kitengela where some locals have been forced to adjust lifestyles in order to compete with Oga men. In some estates, the cost of sex has gone up, same as rent because Nigerians pay more. Security wise, there are reports of a surge in crime as a result of the Oga men accused of recruiting gullible youth into pornography and drugs. Locals also complain the foreigners are fond of infringing on their right to privacy by turning rowdy during odd hours of the night. So what makes Kenya, a country with less employment opportunities, an attractive destiny for our Oga brothers? Corruption was a constant response from residents we interviewed about their views about Nigerians perceived to be fraudsters and drug traffickers. Henry Ochieng, CEO, Kenya Alliance of Residents Association (Kara), says the influx is as a result of weak immigration rules, adding that the Nigerians are pulled into the country to tap into illegal opportunities thriving as a result of corruption. “These people are able to play dirty by dealing in fake money (wash wash), money laundering or drugs knowing very well they will not be caught or punishment is lenient. They are actually exploiting loopholes in our weak laws,” observes Ochieng. The Nigerians allegedly pay double normal house rents and run away with women who fall for their generosity. A spot check by The Nairobian found out that a one bedroomed house, which went for Sh15,000 two years ago, is now trading at Sh25, 000 in Roysambu. “These guys never bargain. They dish out whatever you ask or even more, if there are competitors. Wakipenda nyumba wanachukua . This is why landlords have raised rents for most of the apartments,” says caretaker John Kiango.” “A Landlord in Umoja once got into trouble when he tried to question the Nigerians on what they exactly did for a living after tenants complained of an extravagant lifestyle, completely contrasting their idling nature. “You nigger, don’t you have something else to do, why do you keep snooping into our private lives yet we are paying you rent?” this was the response Paul Chege got from one of Oga. He would politely request the aliens to vacate his building but they refused even after giving them a two-month notice. They purported to import hair weaves. Chege sought the assistance of police who conducted a search, netting bundles of notes and a money printing machine in the house. According to Cleophas Okumu, chairman, Umoja Residents Association, little is known about most of the Nigerians in the area who lead decent lifestyles. “I don’t understand how they are living in nice houses yet most of them do not do any known job,” he says. They make their presence felt when partying at night in social joints or in their private residences. During such times, they loosen the purses for women to join their company. “You can’t figure out what is going around but there are lots of movements at nights. They are rude even to property owners. They smoke marijuana openly in our apartment but we have no say,” says Duncan, a resident who shares an apartment with them behind Thika Road Mall. The same phenomenon is replicated in Roysambu and Zimmerman where, apart from being spendthrifts, they are accused of engaging in ‘wash wash’ business. Amid the drama, some are students at United States International University Africa (USIU). John Kabuu, a quality assurance officer at the university admits that a sizeable number of Nigerians study there. “Yes we have Nigerians in their hundreds, and we know many of them reside in Kasarani, which is close to the campus. But not all Nigerians who live along Thika Road are students,” he told The Nairobian. Kabuu, while distancing the institution from the bad behaviour of Nigerians, said the administration has no control over what students do while out of the institution. “However, we’ve had instances where some Nigerians registered for courses, studied for one semester then disappeared. That means they are around illegally because their student passes should be valid for a given period of time,” he revealed. Before admission, the official disclosed a background check is conducted on foreign students applying for admission. “Actually, as per the requirement of the Commission for University Education, and in order to avoid such instances, nowadays students from Nigeria are needed to issue certificates of good conduct from a police station in Nigeria, before being enrolled,” he explained. In Kitengela, police bust a drug ring whose supply chain was traced to Roysambu and Zimmerman. Security agents blamed landlords for failing to scrutinise foreigners before letting them in. Local AP boss Sergeant Juma Kioko advised home owners to be strict. “If residents could have been reporting these issues we would have tamed this menace. We are getting their concerns when it is late. Landlords focus on their deep pockets at the expense of security,” said Kioko. “I am aware of the influx and many according to reports we have are in drugs, cybercrime, wash wash and pornography making activities,” says Kitengela area Chief William Makui. Adding: “It is worrying that our girls are so desperate to make pornographic films with them. You find a house has five Nigerians and one local girl, but I assure you we are taking action.” Ikechukwu Arthur Anoke, a Nigerian businessman is unhappy that a stereotype has been created about his compatriots being bad people, who make money through fraudulent means. According to him, there is a sizeable number of students, clergy, expatriates and traders who are law abiding, save for a few individuals hell-bent on straying. “We agree some of them involve in fraud, but they constitute less than one per cent of the hardworking Nigerian community helping develop Kenya,” says Ikechukwu, group managing director, Play Communication Limited. He says by working closely with the Nigerian High Commission, they identity the ‘bad boys’ who are advised to return home. “We also would request to collaborate with local security in the best way forward because arresting them and deporting them has not been a solution. We need them to tell us their accomplices back home,” observes the businessman adding that some West African nationals pose as Nigerians when committing crimes. Emannuel Mike Ojo who lives in Fedha estate denies his compatriots are bad, challenging authorities to take action against those found contravening the law. He says most of them are straight forward. “If I was a conman, I wouldn’t be here. It is difficult to find yourself in Fedha Estate if you are a bad man. The government has the mechanism to know bad elements in the society and will remove them out. We are very good people and we work hard like any other person to earn a living. I don’t know why some people would come up with these derogatory remarks about Nigerians,” he told The Nairobian. For Godson Ojigbo, crime is not a preserve of certain people. “If all Kenyans were good, we would not have these vices or prisons. We the Nigerians are not unique in anyway, I cannot speak on behalf of all Nigerians but I can say I am a good man,” argues Ojigbo. But John Njoroge, the in charge of operations, Flying Squad says someNigerians “con victims by pretending they can multiply their money.” Nineteen Nigerians were recently seized in a police swoop targeting electronic skimming fraudsters hiding in Umoja, Kasarani and Roysambu. Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) boss George Kinoti said the suspects often lure victims through social media platforms. “The fraudsters start by befriending you on social media (Facebook) and once you accept the friend request they initiate a friendly chat that promises the victim goodies to be sent through DHL at the airport,” he explained. Hudson Gumbihi, James Mwangi, Chrispine Magak, Silas Nyamweya and Mireri Junior 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 3:29pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
obaaderemi:Hehehehe. kofi shot himself. ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by wizzzmike: 4:59pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
obaaderemi: oh true we receive more because we use them wisely. we've use them to eliminate polio, Ghana is polio free country and other 5 diseases. declared by WHO while big economy Nigeria struggling with common polio. Our politicians are not corrupt like ur politicians who steal billions to hide them on foreign countries. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 5:27pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
wizzzmike:Is that your excuse? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by OMANBALA1: 5:30pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi: I don't really like this Nigga because he rarely comes to the Anambra thread but he is ffuccking intelligent. Somehow I feel Igbos reason better than an average Nigeria, maybe its because of the war. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by wizzzmike: 5:39pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
jaycent: https://listwand.com/2017/10/nigeria-57-top-10-things-nigeria-has-achieved-since-independence/ Polio Thanks to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and our federal government of Nigeria., polio has nearly been eradicated from the country. Bill Gates don't give Ghana a cent to fight polio. So if we talking of who receive more donation in west Africa is disgrace Nigeria 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 6:29pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
wizzzmike:Your government is corrupt,Kofi.No African country is free of that menace. What killed your airline?; D.On health aid, The donors manage their money well.That makes it hard for anyone to steal it.And yes,polio has been curtailed in Nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 6:32pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
jaycent: ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 7:04pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
obaaderemi:Hehehehe. me sef con tire for the guy matter sef. 1 Like |
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