@ganzagangan

@gurnam

Excellent points from you both

I do feel we should be careful however

Colonel nzeogwu’s jealousy and miscalculation should not lead us to hate our own fellow Afrikan peoples. This was the beginning of Nigerian troubles by the way

Post colonial Africa is built on Pan Africanism. Let us be mindful of this fact!

Moorish:
@ganzagangan

@gurnam

Excellent points from you both

I do feel we should be careful however

Colonel’s nzeogwu’s jealousy and miscalculation should not lead us to hate our own fellow African peoples

Post colonial Africa is built on Pan Africanism. Let us be mindful of this fact!

African people! "My people " are those in peace and convivial livelihood with me and like me.

The biafran element and elements in the igbos negates any chance at conviviality.

I love you to love me to love you.

Obijulius:
My good friend let me begin by saying thanks for brining this issue forward.

It takes a bold and wise person to stand by the truth even at the risk of offending popular opinion.

While Nigeria hates the Igbos, Nigeria cannot do well without them. The Igbos have exploited the one trait that is common to most Of Nigeria’s over 400 tribes- a lack on ingenuity and industry. In so doing they have upset the natural balance, becoming the prey that the parasite must eat and yet not devour.

No these other tribes are not lazy! The Igbo man just takes hard work to another level. He is the perfect candidate in this survivor series called life- and will, naturally, exploit the perceived failings of his competitors turned spectators.

He has studied nature to the point where he is at peace with his environment (erosion indeed), his family (usually monogamous) and his God - the supreme being who will always settle matters with fairness and not violence.

But, you must agree with me on this, he is yet to find a perfect way of dealing with his imposed teammates in this thing called Nigeria. He is boosterish to a fault, and lacks tact in dealing with his less fortunate fiends.

The 1966 massacres and the Sharia riots are the end results of a frustration and desperation. Worse still the 20 pound post civil war policy was meant to be a checkmate- to enable his aggrieved neighbours catch up.

These desperate measures by a people no less naturally endowed have been met with frustration time after time. As the Igbo continues to rise like the Phoenix from the ashes. And, show off, his reincarnation to his detractors.

Option 1 is a no go: Nigeria may never see an Igbo President, it will be suicidal for these other tribes.

Option 2 is another no go: With their strides in education, business, international affairs, human development, etc the Igbos have unwittingly offended their neighbours. These neighbours will only reconcile when the Igbos stop doing well or better than them.

Option 3 remains the best option. Ironically,how do we expect the parasite to let go of his prey willingly. The rest of Nigeria will do anything in their power (both earthly and heavenly) to retain the largely unappreciated services of the Igbo!

The Igbo nation must return home and make himself as autonomous as the Californians are in America. Igbos must think Igbo first!

According to MLK: A man can’t ride your back unless it’s bent! We did it in 1966-1970.

Let’s do it again now but without the bullet!

Gaspl according to saint obi!

Moorish:
@ganzagangan

@gurnam

Excellent points from you both

I do feel we should be careful however

Colonel nzeogwu’s jealousy and miscalculation should not lead us to hate our own fellow Afrikan peoples. This was the beginning of Nigerian troubles by the way

Post colonial Africa is built on Pan Africanism. Let us be mindful of this fact!

federal government recklessness and miscalculation should not lead some igbos to hate other tribes...you cannot blame Hausa's for Gowon action/inaction during civil war..you cannot blame Yoruba for awolowi action/action during civil war..why should you hate a child because of his father actions..if that is not pettiness and callous.. then what is it?

Ganzagangan:


The hate is actually mutual!

is that healthy ?

babyfaceafrica:
federal government recklessness and miscalculation should not lead some igbos to hate other tribes...you cannot blame Hausa's for Gowon action/inaction during civil war..you cannot blame Yoruba for awolowi action/action during civil war..why should you hate a child because of his father actions..if that is not pettiness and callous.. then what is it?

I agree with you

However their hate is more justified than ours

I did not lose 2 million of my kin

They did

Ganzagangan:


African people! "My people " are those in peace and convivial livelihood with me and like me.

The biafran element and elements in the igbos negates any chance at conviviality.

I love you to love me to love you.

Do you care for the great peace ?

If you do

Is there a role the federal govt and non Igboid Nigerians can play in achieving peace ?

Or we should continue docility and being stand off ish ?

Mr. Op you must understand that Igbos have made their choice which is Biafra or Biafra. They don't need an Igbo president rather a nation that will be for them in hard times, a nation where they can be free at last and that nation is not Nigeria but Biafra!
We all know Biafra is heterogenous but Igbos are ready to out even without their brothers which shows that they have no confidence in Nigeria. Have you heard about xenophobics attack on Igbos in Ghana and South Africa yet their so called leaders have done nothing about and you don't expect Igbos to support a country that is against them?
Conclusively Africans must know that their boundaries are european made and that a call for referendum is not a call for war, Biafrans have a right to self determination. They should not ask them to leave their lands, even after Biafra is restored they can still continue their businesses in foreign lands. Igbos have gone through hell only Biafra will compensate them, thanks..

Obijulius:


At least three Igbo states are running on self-drive ( no reliance from FAAC). Economically, the Igbo states are thriving.

Please do list the 3 Igbo states without federal allocations

frankfrancis871:
Mr. Op you must understand that Igbos have made their choice which is Biafra or Biafra. They don't need an Igbo president rather a nation that will be for them in hard times, a nation where they can be free at last and that nation is not Nigeria but Biafra!
We all know Biafra is heterogenous but Igbos are ready to out even without their brothers which shows that they have no confidence in Nigeria. Have you heard about xenophobics attack on Igbos in Ghana and South Africa yet their so called leaders have done nothing about and you don't expect Igbos to support a country that is against them?
Conclusively Africans must know that their boundaries are european made and that a call for referendum is not a call for war, Biafrans have a right to self determination. They should not ask them to leave their lands, even after Biafra is restored they can still continue their businesses in foreign lands. Igbos have gone through hell only Biafra will compensate them, thanks..

I support a referendum for the south Eastern states

It seems Biafra is the general and most popular aspiration of the collective Igbo race

As sad as it will be to see you go

I think this fits best

Except something changes...

Moorish:

Do you care for the great peace ?

If you do

Is there a role the federal govt and non Igboid Nigerians can play in achieving peace ?

Or we should continue docility and being stand off ish ?

Sir/ Ma
Peace is conditional.
Peace is mutually accepted conviviality.
Can the igbos make peace with the rest of us, have they genuinely tried to make peace ever? Presently are they making peace

How do you live in peace with somebody that want your relationship with them in pieces. Please tell me, how?
Since we are not in pieces yet, we cant have peace as they want, so there's no peace.

I am a Nigerian and I love other peace loving Nigerians which includes igbos, the biafrans I have no love for as they have no love for me to love them for us.

Moorish:

is that healthy ?

Actually it is, it keeps you wary of enemies.

Ganzagangan:


Sir/ Ma
Peace is conditional.
Peace is mutually accepted conviviality.
Can the igbos make peace with the rest of us, have they genuinely tried to make peace ever? Presently are they making peace

How do you live in peace with somebody that want your relationship with them in pieces. Please tell me, how?
Since we are not in pieces yet, we cant have peace as they want, so there's no peace.

I am a Nigerian and I love other peace loving Nigerians which includes igbos, the biafrans I have no love for as they have no love for me to love them for us.

Well, if what you feel reflects the general Nigerian populace (non Igbo)

Then

Igbos in Nigeria is basically Oil in water

Separation should be the most mature solution

We should all seek it in earnest

I am tired of Igbo hatred personally

And

I am tired of all this s.hit

Moorish:

You cannot tell an angry, neglected, aggrieved and oppressed people what they should and should not do

They will constitute a contemptuous element within the Nation if you ignore their cry

This is very unhealthy for Nation building

Who has neglected you, and who has oppressed you? The Governors and other political office holders in the East, are they not Igbo's or where they imported from other region to rule over you?
Recently, Okorocha was seeing constructing Statures for other African President with Imo tax payers money, no Igbo man condemn him or call him to order.

In 2016 budgets, the allegations of budget padding came to the public's view and it was noticed that, the Northern Senators and Reps were the culprits. They introduced various projects to their Constituencies and communities while, your Igbo Senators and Reps couldn't introduce a single constituency project into the budget. They rather pocket the money.

Other Governors are doing quality projects in their respective States, Governors in the East are doing fake and substandard projects, as seeing recently. Yet, no single Igbo man has called them to order.

Untill Igbo's learn to hold their leaders accountable, you will continue to wail.

@almaigaa

I am not Igbo

And can you please remove those images

It makes the thread less easy on the eyes

I appeal to you to communicate with words only

Thanks

Moorish:

I support a referendum for the south Eastern states

It seems Biafra is the general and most popular aspiration of the collective Igbo race

As sad as it will be to see you go

I think this fits best

Except something changes...

why do you make it seem as Igbos are the only Biafrans, Igbos are Biafrans but not all Biafrans are Igbos. May I also remind that Igboland and Biafraland excedes 'south east' and that Igbos are only fore runners for Biafra restoration, hope you get me sir/ma?

Nigeria failed since the days after Lord Lugard returned to Britain. It is now time for us Igbos to rally and demand our exit from this failed British colonial contraption called "Nigeria"

frankfrancis871:
why do you make it seem as Igbos are the only Biafrans, Igbos are Biafrans but not all Biafrans are Igbos. May I also remind that Igboland and Biafraland excedes 'south east' and that Igbos are only fore runners for Biafra restoration, hope you get me sir/ma?

I get your point

I do care if the south south and parts of the middle belt fall under the Biafran banner

Same way I do not wish to lose Igbo ingenuity in Nigeria

However, Oil is our mainstay. It is in the south south. Hence Your aspirations for south south will be opposed by all for now

However if that is the general consensus in those regions, south south especially, I will fully support total disintegration with adequate compensation to all the other federating units

And an agreed timeline for disintegration

And also terms of engagement post breakup

However, the south south do not want Biafra 100%

Are you also aware of that ?

Moorish:

I get your point

I do care if the south south and parts of the middle belt fall under the Biafran banner

Same way I do not wish to lose Igbo ingenuity in Nigeria

However, Oil is our mainstay. It is in the south south. Hence Your aspirations for south south will be opposed by all for now

However if that is the general consensus in those regions, south south especially, I will fully support total disintegration with adequate compensation to all the other federating units

And an agreed timeline for disintegration

And also terms of engagement post breakup

However, the south south do not want Biafra 100%

Are you also aware of that ?

your question should be "who are the south-south?" south south was once part of the eastern region. Moreover we can deny the fact there are large number of Igbos outside 'south east', so stop avoiding that part.
Like I asked before, do you know that Igboland excedes your so called 'south east' not to talk of Biafraland?

Moorish:

I get your point

I do care if the south south and parts of the middle belt fall under the Biafran banner

Same way I do not wish to lose Igbo ingenuity in Nigeria

However, Oil is our mainstay. It is in the south south. Hence Your aspirations for south south will be opposed by all for now

However if that is the general consensus in those regions, south south especially, I will fully support total disintegration with adequate compensation to all the other federating units

And an agreed timeline for disintegration

And also terms of engagement post breakup

However, the south south do not want Biafra 100%

Are you also aware of that ?

Do you think the Amaechi from Rivers State and Uchenna from Delta and Obinna from Akwa Ibom fringes and Ugo from Bonny and Opobo would leave their cousins and brothers whom they share a whole lot together to hug Muhammed from Sokoto or Idris from Ekiti ?


Just asking

Moorish:

Well, if what you feel reflects the general Nigerian populace (non Igbo)

Then

Igbos in Nigeria is basically Oil in water

Separation should be the most mature solution

We should all seek it in earnest

I am tired of Igbo hatred personally

And

I am tired of all this s.hit

Here's where true diplomacy should employed. Diplomacy to be tact and pragmatic about your mission. Devoid of threats, malady, malignment and toxic vituperations.
Biafrans are not seeking the needed support for their quest in as all their aspirations to Biafra niched from an established and recognised political contraption called Nigeria is not a parallel decision that can be taken by only the igbos. I bet nobody really wants to be tethered to a toxic partner forever.

Igbos should play the Biafran card politically without tribal or religious bigotry.

Also they should come to terms with the civil war episode as over for their own sake.

God bless Nigeria.

frankfrancis871:
Mr. Op you must understand that Igbos have made their choice which is Biafra or Biafra. They don't need an Igbo president rather a nation that will be for them in hard times, a nation where they can be free at last and that nation is not Nigeria but Biafra!
We all know Biafra is heterogenous but Igbos are ready to out even without their brothers which shows that they have no confidence in Nigeria. Have you heard about xenophobics attack on Igbos in Ghana and South Africa yet their so called leaders have done nothing about and you don't expect Igbos to support a country that is against them?
Conclusively Africans must know that their boundaries are european made and that a call for referendum is not a call for war, Biafrans have a right to self determination. They should not ask them to leave their lands, even after Biafra is restored they can still continue their businesses in foreign lands. Igbos have gone through hell only Biafra will compensate them, thanks..

I have no issue with Igbo having Biafra, but I definitely have SERIOUS ISSUES with them STICKING around in my country to do business.
The REASON they fought and got Biafra was because they HATE being in the same country with me, so what the heck will they be sticking around for?.
And please don't tell me they want to do business 'cause I believe that they can do their business elsewhere.

frankfrancis871:
your question should be "who are the south-south?" south south was once part of the eastern region. Moreover we can deny the fact there are large number of Igbos outside 'south east', so stop avoiding that part.
Like I asked before, do you know that Igboland excedes your so called 'south east' not to talk of Biafraland?

Ok, I will and do support the igbo nation and the geographical region known as the "south south" in your quest for justice, independence and true nationhood

However like I stated earlier we all should come to the round table as citizens, and agree on our terms for disintegration

I believe If the biafrans are willing to negotiate a fair deal, both parties would sign

I am generally tired of this false brother hood and the tension everywhere in Nigeria

I must warn my Nigerian compatriots here

When the annals of history are opened

Long after our demise

The igbo nation might be seen more honourable

Why?

They killed 5 or so Nigerian Leaders

Then in return we employed genocide

We did take it too far

That was not justice

In my muslim eyes at least

gurnam:


If any Yoruba man have the chance today to kick them to their Biafra, , they will all be gone already, but the problem is THEY don’t really want to go, they’ve only turned the Biafra noise as a tool of blackmail and Nigerians know that already now.

please shut up. Everyday the yorubas keep showing why they have been labelled the problem with nigeria by all. Just look at these people. Which tribe attacked nnamdi kanu the most? Which tribe was against anything biafra the most? Which id1ots opened threads here daily just to antagonise biafra and igbos? Which tribe kept going on about how biafra would not work? No yoruba person can do jack. You people are pathetic, two faced and untrustworthy. You people applauded the operation python dance. You want the igbos out of nigeria but when they demonstrate for biafra you label them terrorists. I know and you know it and the rest of nigeria knows that the only reason an igbo man cannot be elected president is the fear that the igbo president will divide nigeria sharp sharp and give igbos biafra.
If you think the igbos don't really want to go then conduct a referendum. Go sidon jo.

izombie:
[s]please shut up. Everyday the yorubas keep showing why they have been labelled the problem with nigeria by all. Just look at these people. Which tribe attacked nnamdi kanu the most? Which tribe was against anything biafra the most? Which id1ots opened threads here daily just to antagonise biafra and igbos? Which tribe kept going on about how biafra would not work? No yoruba person can do jack. You people are pathetic, two faced and untrustworthy. You people applauded the operation python dance. You want the igbos out of nigeria but when they demonstrate for biafra you label them terrorists. I know and you know it and the rest of nigeria knows that the only reason an igbo man cannot be elected president is the fear that the igbo president will divide nigeria sharp sharp and give igbos biafra.
If you think the igbos don't really want to go then conduct a referendum. Go sidon jo.[/s]

Your anger and tantrum can’t stop the obvious facts!

Yorubas are very few in Igboland,
There are more igbos living in Lagos than igbos living in Ebonyi
There are more Ibos living in the SW than igbos living in Ebonyi and Enugu combined.

Now, you tell me who is forming over familiarity with the other

Foolish people that barks and barks daily on the SM but are hopelessly powerless in real life

izombie:
please shut up. Everyday the yorubas keep showing why they have been labelled the problem with nigeria by all. Just look at these people. Which tribe attacked nnamdi kanu the most? Which tribe was against anything biafra the most? Which id1ots opened threads here daily just to antagonise biafra and igbos? Which tribe kept going on about how biafra would not work? No yoruba person can do jack. You people are pathetic, two faced and untrustworthy. You people applauded the operation python dance. You want the igbos out of nigeria but when they demonstrate for biafra you label them terrorists. I know and you know it and the rest of nigeria knows that the only reason an igbo man cannot be elected president is the fear that the igbo president will divide nigeria sharp sharp and give igbos biafra.
If you think the igbos don't really want to go then conduct a referendum. Go sidon jo.

Do not derail this thread

You are the first to insult a commenter here

I have reported your post to the mods

Thanks

gurnam:


Your anger and tantrum can’t stop the obvious facts!

Yorubas are very few in Igboland,
There are more igbos living in Lagos than igbos living in Ebonyi
There are more Ibos living in the SW than igbos living in Ebonyi and Enugu combined.

Now, you tell me who is forming over familiarity with the other

Foolish people that barks and barks daily on the SM but are hopelessly powerless in real life

I have also reported your post (The last paragraph) to the moderators

Thanks

Moorish:

I have also reported your post (The last paragraph) to the moderators

Thanks

I didnt insult anyone in particular. My reference is general to those that goes about disturbing Nigerians on SM with their wailings

Obviously you don’t know how the rules work here

kids have invaded the thread...cannot have a simple discuss without insults

gurnam:


Your anger and tantrum can’t stop the obvious facts!

Yorubas are very few in Igboland,
There are more igbos living in Lagos than igbos living in Ebonyi
There are more Ibos living in the SW than igbos living in Ebonyi and Enugu combined.

Now, you tell me who is forming over familiarity with the other

Foolish people that barks and barks daily on the SM but are hopelessly powerless in real life

it's not your business where any nigerian chooses to reside in nigeria. After all it's one nigeria right? My issue with your earlier post that i replied to is that you said igbos don't really want to go. And i made it clear to you that yorubas who claim they want us out of nigeria are always the first ones to antagonise anything biafra or igbo. You can call us chestbeating all you like but the fact remains that igbos have always backed up our words with actions.

Moorish:

Do not derail this thread

You are the first to insult a commenter here

I have reported your post to the mods

Thanks

you can report me to UN but that guy insulted my people.