budaatum:

All meat will have maggots if left long enough. Pigs reared in a well maintained farm don't have maggots! But that does not answer the question.

In the old days, pigs were not reared on farms and roamed around eating anything they could find including poo and dead bodies. For this reason they were prone to be diseased, and to protect people, the bits in the Bible were said to come from God forbidden the consumption of pork. Today however, with better animal husbandry, ebi ni o pa Ijesa ni o fi ni wipe o un ko ni jẹ ekọ Ọyọ.

imran147:



Forget it and stop using your faulse enjoyment to declined bible verse and Quran and however I do not think you know those pig were killed in a hardship way which it’s haram by eating it....Meanwhile let the truth be known to those who want to admit and others have chance of choosing positive or negative

No one is perfect

miftaudeen:
See how they are twisting the quoted verses because of their desires. Christians and false believe are like 5 and 6

Propene:

11) The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to humans. This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their carcase (Leviticus 11:8 )

Fariq:


Whichever the name is, I am less concerned. Isah is Jesus. The son of marry. One who was born without a father. He is a man neither the begotten son of god nor the god. He is a prophet and messenger of God. He is a Muslim who submit himself to Almighty God (even the Bible testify this). No Muslim is Muslim if did not believe that Jesus is a prophet and one of the messengers of God.



Jesus the Messiah. Son of Marry.

mojojesu94:


Don't get me wrong... He [b]may[/b]be a muslim if you say he is... but at least if you look at other names like Abraham, Moses, Jacob and co they look similar in Islam, my question is why is the name of Jesus different?

You believe that the God infinite in wisdom does not do anything without a reason (I assume), Now my second question is this.

What is the purpose for the birth of Jesus without a Father? What God just doing a public stunt or what?

Fariq:


The name are not different. Just because you had Abraham similar to Ibrahim doesn't mean Jesus must sound similar to Isa.

After all Jesus is not even Hebrew but English and the Bible was not reveal in English.

The meaning of Muhammad in English is Praiseworthy. It. And I did not say Jesus is a Muslim, Bible says so. I have the verse.



Jesus was born without a father but Adam was born without both father and mother. Was it also a public stunt?



Jesus coming to the world without a father of only shows u God is capable of Everything.

mojojesu94:



Is there any other similar name like that in both books that are at variance that much that much.

Can you drop the bible passage?

Fariq:



Which Bible passage? The one I said Jesus is a Muslim? If yes let me know and I will drop it.

Fariq:


I told you the way the name is not bases of comparison because these are different language. My argument won't be based on how name resembles. How ever I will respond to you but not because of this argument.


John - Yahya

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_in_both_the_Bible_and_the_Quran.

mojojesu94:


The marked is true, but am a yoruba guy and i know for you to adapt a word to your language it must carry same meaning or similar pronounciation.


And when you look at John and Yahya for instance you see wide variation....
And from my little knowledge of language we can't really say they are the same people (sorry if that sounds somehow).

mojojesu94:
Yes

Fariq:


First of all who is a Muslim. Muslim is an arabic word but who is a muslim. A muslim is a person who submit himself to the will of God.

Any body who submit his will to Almighty God is a Muslim. Lets take one of them (Muslim)

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists [Quran 3:67]

Here is Jesus seeking the will of God

"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. " [The Bible, John 5:30]

mojojesu94:


that scripture you quoted there showed Jesus calling God Father so if we are to believe that he is a Muslim can we believe he is also Son of God based on that scripture?

modik:


Meaning Christ resurrected on Monday morning ba?

ola12:

Quite possibly. The decision to make easter a sunday is possibly to prevent christians from having to attend church on both sunday and monday, coupled with the fact that a lot of Christians interpret that verse in diff ways. So makin it sunday is like a compromise.
Think about it, If Jesus died on a friday, den d 3rd day is actually monday, not sunday

Fariq:


According to Islam Bible which is also word of God has been altered and concocted. Some of the things might be right while others might be insertion by other people. Any verse that correspond and does not go against Quran is considered correct.

Fariq:


Now to your question.

There is no problem calling Jesus son of God because son of God according to Bible means a person that follows the commandments of God. Yes Jesus is a righteous person. And all those that follows the commandments of God are sons of God. Including you if you do so.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (Roman 8:14)

Now let's look at some of these children of God.


1. Exodus 4:22 "And you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus said the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

2. Jeremiah 31:9 "They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.


The problem is not son of God rather the begotten son of god

Even at that it's wrong but for now I won't say anything until I heard your response. Because I don't know if you take Jesus peace be upon him as begotten son of god or even god. Which one is your stand among:

a. Begotten Son of God
b. God
c. Both

Fariq:


There is no problem calling Jesus son of God because son of God according to Bible means a person that follows the commandments of God. Yes Jesus is a righteous person. And all those that follows the commandments of God are sons of God. Including you if you do so.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (Roman 8:14)

Now let's look at some of these children of God.


1. Exodus 4:22 "And you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus said the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

2. Jeremiah 31:9 "They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

mojojesu94:


The bolded is a definition of a servant, all primates are monkeys but not all monkeys are primates. if Sonship is based on obedience then what is servanthood?

Sonship is about relationship either by birth or by adoption.

mojojesu94:


Let me first react to this, if the bible was altered and it is the word of God or 'corrupted word of God' it means God did not preserve it. And if Muslims are to consult it, then there is a problem with them living in fullness of obedience to God.

Now The issue of any verse going against the Quran, why not any verse going against the bible and mind you the word God, is it Jehovah or Allah?

I think the truth of the bible should be based on other evidences like historical and co, not because the Quran validates it or it does not.

mojojesu94:
I stand with both.

Begotten Son Of god

Is Jesus God ?

Fariq:



Ofcourse you are right God did not preserve Bible because it was meant for a certain people and for a particular period of time. Muslim must believe that God is the original author of those books. Muslim are not bound to consult those books to learn Islam knowing it is corrupted. Quran has covered everything and that is what a muslim should follow. And Quran is the only book that has not been been changed even with 1 alphabet for thr past 1400+ years.

God says in the holy Quran he will preserve it. God also throw a challenge to All creatures to produce 1 verse of the Quran that can stand the test of time. Till today none was able to.


Because Bible is not 100% word of God but an altered word of God. Even Christians believe it is altered. Coming to the second part of the question concerning the word God.

Quran chapter 112 Say: 'He is God, One. God, the Everlasting Refuge. who has not begotten, and has not been begotten. and equal to Him is not any one.'

The above is God. Regardless of the name. In Islam God have over 100 names. But to be God you must satisfy the above requirement of the verse above.

Fariq:


Then you are confused. You cannot be the father and at the sametime be the son.

Fariq:



Gospel of John, Chap 3 verse 16:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Let me show you another begotten son.

Psalms, 2 v. 7: "…the LORD hath said unto me, (David) ‘Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee.’"

Meaning of the word ‘begotten’
When asked the meaning of the word ‘begotten’ the Christian will rarely be able to explain. Begetting is an animal act belonging to the animal function of sex. ‘Begotten’ means "sired".

mojojesu94:


So if i may ask which part of the bible was altered the old testament or the new testament? I don't want to add issues of bible versions for the sake of this discussion let us stick to KJV because if we are to go there its a long way.

And concerning the issue you raised when in the line of History was the bible corrupted.

Lets not drag that, too much because there is a God that is the Father and their is a God that is the Son and they are one. To bring that home you have a soul, spirit and body but yet you are one, if a Son of the dust like you can be that complex how do you think of God's own nature.

budaatum:

lol! I don't need the approval of your Quran or Bible or your gods to live my life! If they don't like it, they are welcome to come and remove pork off my plate or out my mouth if and when I decide to eat it! Thankfully, they got better things to do, it would seem, than to concern themselves with your petty opinion. But just for you, and in case you actually matter, I will have pork ribs with pasta tonight so you know where to direct your god

(Now I know why this thread became another "my god is bigger than your god thread" smh.)

imran147:





We know your type
So enjoy your freaking life with maggot meat pork mitchew pple

budaatum:

Yummy. Some nice pork meat!

imran147:


Yes can’t blamed you
Cuz your are Buddhism
We have different life to live and what to believe so it’s up to you man
Enjoy

Fariq:


Both the two. One of Moses and that Of Jesus. After Jesus disappear that's when the alteration begins.

Talking of Alteration I have show you 1. The verse of begotten has been removed in the revised standard version by Christian Scholars of the highest order.





1 + 1 is not = 2. There is no verse in the Bible that says God the Father, God the son. Show me the verse.

As far as the word "begotten" it has been removed as fabrication. God have many sons and Jesus wasn't an exception.

And you have not address the issue of Jesus being God because Jesus is a man as says by the Bible. And you cannot be man and God at sametime. Even the Bible says so.

ibkkk:
PORK!

SO SWEET.

ESPECIALLY WHEN FRIED AND GARNISHED WITH SOME "yaji"