komekn:


I know this is a faceless forum.

Unless you know Moses personally and he expressed his lack of commitment you can not make that prejudiced unsubstantiated statement about him in bold. The idea that everybody knows, is either a reflection of you lack of life experience or you simply just not very wise. Because I certainly DON'T KNOW.

Then you go on to say, "Whatever was causing him discomfort - - - is none of our business". Consider what you are saying , does that make any sense to you. That's a very callous and uncaring thing to say. We are concerned that's why this matter is being discussed.

It is a VERY BIG DEAL without doubt he has been a star performer for the SE over many years.

Then out of the blue he resigns at such a very young age. And the response to many is good riddance that's simply very poor.

We should all be concerned, It tells us that all is not well in the SE. Which is not necessarily breaking news, the NFF has never been far from controversy of one issue or the other.

NFF is not the only FA with controversy, stop shifting the fault to to them. And yes, some of Vicmo's behavior implied lack of commitment

Joebie:
Well u know how it is. You have to respect what other people claim as their identity. I think he said something like “they may be related” in one of his posts.

Talking of respecting what other people claim as their Identity.
Will you also respect a particular region of the country's claim of Secessionists identity?

Why not?

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As long as they are not trying to dispute others’ identity just to meet their political end. Mutual respect please.

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Talking of respecting what other people claim as their Identity.
Will you also respect a particular region of the country's claim of Secessionists identity?

Joebie:
Why not?

I am Pro-Nigeria and an advocate of Unity.

Just like I will not take some Igbo dialects dissociating themselves from the rest of the Igbo ethnic group I am also against the Secessionist moves by the Igbo ethnic group.

Well, lets not derail this thread. Let's discuss football.

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Icon4s:


I am Pro-Nigeria and an advocate of Unity.

Just like I will not take some Igbo dialects dissociating themselves from the rest of the Igbo ethnic group I am also against the Secessionist moves by the Igbo ethnic group.

Well, lets not derail this thread. Let's discuss football.

There are arguments on Nairaland and Facebook where people 'reject' claims that they are part of larger ethnic groups. Most of us outside of these ethnic groups do not know the history behind their claims so we do not know if these claims have some historical proof or if they are emotional reactions to events that occurred in the past.
For example I used to follow a lady on Facebook who used to say she is Ika and not Igbo and people would keep arguing over this, some other people would also make similar statements. A man once said he is Okun not Yoruba during one of these arguments, another said he's Ikwerre and not Igbo.
In any case, my point is that these people have the right to associate with whoever/whatever makes them feel comfortable and you cannot blame 'outsiders' who come away believing that Ikas and Ikwerres are not Igbos.
It is the same way I don't appreciate being called Hausa when I introduce myself to people. I know how annoying it is so I try not to do it to other people. I think Komekn is coming from a similar place. If people say they're from village A it's annoying and sometimes rude to insist they are from village B.

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Talking of respecting what other people claim as their Identity.
Will you also respect a particular region of the country's claim of Secessionists identity?

This conversation will slowly devolve into something nasty and contentious which nairaland is rife with. It has always been simmering under the surface in many discussions and this is bringing it right into the open. Let's close this can of worms. Vicmo resignation should not kill this thread

Chrismario:



NFF is not the only FA with controversy, stop shifting the fault to to them. And yes, some of Vicmo's behavior implied lack of commitment

Exactly what I was telling him..

Salah is currently having a fight with the Egyptian FA but he played and even scored in their last game. Ozil and Nainggolan retired from international football due to issue with their coaches and FA...

Such things are quite common. Moses didn't say anything about an issue with the NFF and there's no evidence anywhere to suggest that there's one. Komekn just wanted to throw insults at the NFF as usual... This is d same man who has been telling us that the foreign born(queen boys precisely) are yet to play for us cus they haven't paid egunje to the NFF

rabzy:


This conversation will slowly devolve into something nasty and contentious which nairaland is rife with. It has always been simmering under the surface in many discussions and this is bringing it right into the open. Let's close this can of worms. Vicmo resignation should not kill this thread

Bros, I have rested my case.

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Nops, he is clearly supporting there claim.

You saw how he jumped to claim people of Igbanke are closer to Esan than to the Igbos but when I gave him a link he mellowed.

I have a science/engineering back ground but I also developed very keen interest in History, Geography and Economics.

And to further prove his support, he said that he has spoken to some prominent citizens of Agbor and they all denied being Igbos. is his purpose for speaking to those prominent citizens simply to find out if they are lgbos? How can someone who claim to be connected to almost foreign born players and prominent citizens be bent to a tribal arguments on nairaland. Something must be wrong somewhere.

That’s it!!!


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My paternal cousins claim they are from Village A because it was a village our grandpa founded after migrating from Village B. However, we still claim Village B. They are mad that we claim Village B. What nonsense?! We respect that you claim Village A, respect ours. True story.

DrLikita12:
There are arguments on Nairaland and Facebook where people 'reject' claims that they are part of larger ethnic groups. Most of us outside of these ethnic groups do not know the history behind their claims so we do not know if these claims have some historical proof or if they are emotional reactions to events that occurred in the past.
For example I used to follow a lady on Facebook who used to say she is Ika and not Igbo and people would keep arguing over this, some other people would also and make similar statements. A man once said he is Okun not Yoruba during one of these arguments, another said he's Ikwerre and not Igbo.
In any case, my point is that these people have the right to associate with whoever/whatever makes them feel comfortable and you cannot blame 'outsiders' who come away believing that Ikas and Ikwerres are not Igbos.
It is the same way I don't appreciate being called Hausa when I introduce myself to people. I know how annoying it is so I try not to do it to other people. I think Komekn is coming from a similar place. If people say their from village A it's annoying and sometimes rude to insist they are from village B.

DrLikita12:
There are arguments on Nairaland and Facebook where people 'reject' claims that they are part of larger ethnic groups. Most of us outside of these ethnic groups do not know the history behind their claims so we do not know if these claims have some historical proof or if they are emotional reactions to events that occurred in the past.
For example I used to follow a lady on Facebook who used to say she is Ika and not Igbo and people would keep arguing over this, some other people would also and make similar statements. A man once said he is Okun not Yoruba during one of these arguments, another said he's Ikwerre and not Igbo.
In any case, my point is that these people have the right to associate with whoever/whatever makes them feel comfortable and you cannot blame 'outsiders' who come away believing that Ikas and Ikwerres are not Igbos.
It is the same way I don't appreciate being called Hausa when I introduce myself to people. I know how annoying it is so I try not to do it to other people. I think Komekn is coming from a similar place. If people say their from village A it's annoying and sometimes rude to insist they are from village B.

Very simple answer to that.

Divide and rule.

Separate Lagos from the South West Region and in 40years time see if an Isale-Eko man's children will not denounce being Yoruba. For instance, The Ikwerre's didn't know they were not Igbos until Rivers state was carved out of the Former Eastern Region.

Nigeria should forever remain thankful to Gen. Yakubu Gowon. He was really a man of foresight.


I finally rest my case.

That egunje talk na generalization abeg

Some players are called up by merit. it depends largely on the coach than the NFF.

Danielnino00:




Exactly what I was telling him..

Salah is currently having a fight with the Egyptian FA but he played and even scored in their last game. Ozil and Nainggolan retired from international football due to issue with their coaches and FA...

Such things are quite common. Moses didn't say anything about an issue with the NFF and there's no evidence anywhere to suggest that there's one. Komekn just wanted to throw insults at the NFF as usual... This is d same man who has been telling us that the foreign born(queen boys precisely) are yet to play for us cus they haven't paid egunje to the NFF

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Very simple answer to that.

Divide and rule.

Separate Lagos from the South West Region and in 40years time see if an Isale-Eko man's children will not denounce being Yoruba. For instance, The Ikwerre's didn't know they were not Igbos until Rivers state was carved out of the Former Eastern Region.

Nigeria should forever remain thankful to Gen. Yakubu Gowon. He was really a man of foresight.


I finally rest my case.

I wonder if you can, statements like your last sentence will make people come for you, they will sting and draw you out. Your firewood has ants and the lizards will come for them.

rabzy:


I wonder if you can, statements like your last sentence will make people come for you, they will sting and draw you out. Your firewood has ants and the lizards will come for them.

Hahahaha. Bros like I said . I am done, back to football.

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Very simple answer to that.

Divide and rule.

Separate Lagos from the South West Region and in 40years time see if an Isale-Eko man's children will not denounce being Yoruba. For instance, The Ikwerre's didn't know they were not Igbos until Rivers state was carved out of the Former Eastern Region.

Nigeria should forever remain thankful to Gen. Yakubu Gowon. He was really a man of foresight.


I finally rest my case.

I understand that because I am interested in history -I am a reader and history interests me so I know a little about Nigerian history, the history of what is today known as Portharcourt, etc.
The problem is not everyone is interested in history and not everyone who is interested has access to resources that would be helpful in studying such things. As a result, outsiders are more likely to believe what 'natives' of a region say.
I agree with you on Gowon.

wow

Three pages for discussion of player tribes and state of origin.

On a sports thread.

Whether they are from Mars or deep within the waters of Neptune, inasmuch as they player for Nigeria, we expect their best and nothing less.

So who is guilty of dividing the people in the North? Why are many people still calling all of them Hausa? The whites in America still know their different origins in terms of European nationalities. It’s simple teach it as a subject so people will have the knowledge. However, they still have the right to claim whatever they want to claim.

Icon4s:


Very simple answer to that.

Divide and rule.

Separate Lagos from the South West Region and in 40years time see if an Isale-Eko man's children will not denounce being Yoruba. For instance, The Ikwerre's didn't know they were not Igbos until Rivers state was carved out of the Former Eastern Region.

Nigeria should forever remain thankful to Gen. Yakubu Gowon. He was really a man of foresight.


I finally rest my case.

komekn:


Across Nigeria there is great belief by many in the efficacy of "Juju" African science and if they do not believe there is a general fear and or reverence, i.e. it's not something to play with.

However, I find in Benin City and environs there is a greater widespread belief in these practices. Or maybe I could say open acceptance, fear, belief, etc Again these practices are not unique to Benin City and environs, it happens a lot in Delta too, it may just be they in Benin are more open about it.

I was involved with a Christian out reach group that engaged with people primarily from Benin, Edo state which took me across Europe and back to Benin City, where I lived for a period. The stories I was told as well as the things I witnessed personally would give some of you nightmares.

I could say a lot more but to what purpose. One thing I will say it's given me more courage, fearlessness, conviction as a Christian.

I could talk about former SE players who expressed thier misgivings and suspicions about certain players. But I will not.

However, to buttress my point I have been told about some Senegalese players in the EPL and some strange practices and rituals they have carried out. These reports were given by white players who have no idea whats going on. I know what those practices and or beliefs are.

Do I believe in them, NOT AT ALL, however that doesn't mean I'm ignorant to those who do.

Nothing you said here justifies what you stated about "people from that part of the country"



However, doesn't Moses have ties to that part of the country? Shouldn't the team be more wary of Moses who allegedly has some contact with Benin? Or does his being UK-bred make him unAfrican?


The rest of your statement is laced with ignorance as well. Why do Africans always find the negative in their cultural and religious practices? So, because Senegalese players were practicing certain rituals that white people are exposed to, it is obviously juju and that is so bad? What is the difference between African Traditional Religion and the white man's Christianity? Why do black people look upon their own religious practices as evil and negative while the rituals done by the whites is not evil? The consecration of the body of Christ in the Catholic Church is a ritual, but nobody looks upon it as evil, the pouring of anointing oil on heads is a ritual, but nobody calls it 'diabolic', but an African man takes out some powder and a calabash and boom! He is diabolical.


I am sorry for you people and this warped sense of thinking. It is one of the great reasons why the black man will forever remain in the shadows, because h has no sense of self and has adopted that his ways and his culture are evil and whatever the white man does must be right.

Once in a while we digress. Sanity will return — that’s what is unique about this thread.

darkelf:
wow

Three pages for discussion of player tribes and state of origin.

On a sports thread.

Whether they are from Mars or deep within the waters of Neptune, inasmuch as they player for Nigeria, we expect their best and nothing less.

Joebie:
That’s it!!!


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My paternal cousins claim they are from Village A because it was a village our grandpa founded after migrating from Village B. However, we still claim Village B. They are mad that we claim Village B. What nonsense?! We respect that you claim Village A, respect ours. True story.

Thank you, it can be so disrespectful. I personally try to respect people's claims whether I agree or disagree with them.

Whites are very spirtistic as well. Occultism is a form of it.

safarigirl:
Nothing you said here justifies what you stated about "people from that part of the country"

What it clarifies is that you don't know that Echiejile, who is supposed to be the player Moses is scared of or whatever is from Abia State, he is not from THAT part of the country that you called out. So, this does not explain your ignorant comment. It just proves that you were ignorant about Echiejile.


However, doesn't Moses have ties to that part of the country? Shouldn't the tram be more wary of Moses who allegedly has some contact with Benin? Or does his being UK-bred make him unAfrican?


The rest of your statement is laced with ignorance as well. Why do Africans always find the negative in their cultural and religious practices? So, because Senegalese players were practicing certain rituals that white people are exposed to, it is obviously juju and that is so bad? What is the difference between African Traditional Religion and the white man's Christianity? Why do black people look upon their own religious practices as evil and negative while the rituals done by the whites is not evil? The consecration of the body of Christ in the Catholic Church is a ritual, but nobody looks upon it as evil, the pouring of anointing oil on heads is a ritual, but nobody calls it 'diabolic', but an African man takes out some powder and a calabash and boom! He is diabolical.


I am sorry for you people and this warped sense of thinking. It is one of the great reasons why the black man will forever remain in the shadows, because h has no sense of self and has adopted that his ways and his culture are evil and whatever the white man does must be right.

Joebie:
So who is guilty of dividing the people in the North? Why are many people still calling all of them Hausa? The whites in America still know their different origins in terms of European nationalities. It’s simple teach it as a subject so people will have the knowledge. However, they still have the right to claim whatever they want to claim.

I say make I go una dey draw me back again.

OK, on people of the North, have you really been close to a Tiv, Birom, Jukun, Idoma, Angas, Igala, Gbagi, or Shendam man? If not look for any around you and called him a "malam". Then come back here and testify.

True.

Why is there so much confusion about people’s identity even in the North? Is there a conspiracy there as well? The problem is if we really want to be united we have to develop a genuine interest in others. These things need to be taken seriously in our schools. However, people have the right to identify with wherever they choose.

DrLikita12:


Thank you, it can be so disrespectful. I personally try to respect people's claims whether I agree or disagree with them.

komekn:


I am sorry to use the term Ignorance but it's something I come across quite often.

Some people have such limited life experience and parochial view of Nigeria that they think Uhrobo, Ijaw, Ikwrre, Ogoni, etc are Ibo.

The Anioma people of Delta may be related to the Igbo but do not consider themselves as Igbo, I mean the Ika, Kwale, people to mention just a few.

my mother is Anioma, she is very much Igbo and so are her people who identify so. These same Anioma people are the ones agitating for a state separate from the rest of Delta, and they want this state to be joined with the East as an Eastern State. That your last line get comma

Joebie:
That egunje talk na generalization abeg

Some players are called up by merit. it depends largely on the coach than the NFF.

If Rohr were to be Enrique wey left Jordi Alba out of Spanish team nko?

Farzat:


And to further prove his support, he said that he has spoken to some prominent citizens of Agbor and they all denied being Igbos. is his purpose for speaking to those prominent citizens simply to find out if they are lgbos? How can someone who claim to be connected to almost foreign born players and prominent citizens be bent to a tribal arguments on nairaland. Something must be wrong somewhere.

I have always told u to stop taking that boy seriously. Take, with a pinch of salt, what ever comes from that boy. The boy na big wash. Any thing wey we mention here, u go see him jump out claiming to be the master where as, he doesn't even have the slightest idea what that is all about.

It appears we are saying the same thing. They are not Hausas, but how you apply your divide-and-rule logic here remains my question

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I say make I go una dey draw me back again.

OK, on people of the North, have you really been close to a Tiv, Birom, Jukun, Idoma, Angas, Igala, Gbagi, or Shendam man? If not look for any around you and called him a "malam". Then come back here and testify.

Coaches can be sentimental too — white or black. But we are quick to always claim egunje although we cannot completely rule it out.

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I meant some of us (like komekn)

Chrismario:



If Rohr were to be Enrique wey left Jordi Alba out of Spanish team nko?

Joebie:
Hahaha I remember that call card.

Sometimes you don’t necessarily have to travel to know. People shouldn’t be lazy about finding out about these things. Nigeria’s unity depends on we all getting to understand our different tribes and appreciating the uniqueness in our diversity. If you asked me I would say they should be a subject dedicated to this issue made compulsory in Nigerian schools.

the issue is not saying "I know".... The issue is thinking he knows more than those closest to the people

Which travel has Komekn traveled that makes him think he knows more than those with ties to the place? He can drag other Igbos in some parts, but saying the entire Anioma people do not identify as Igbo is the most ignorant statement I have seen all day. He should know when to draw his line

It’s mostly for political/economic reasons why people claim what they claim. Some out of cheer ignorance. Even among the Aniomas you would still find some who would claim they are not igbos. When/If Anioma state is created maybe they would need a referendum lol

safarigirl:
my mother is Anioma, she is very much Igbo and so are her people who identify so. These same Anioma people are the ones agitating for a state separate from the rest of Delta, and they want this state to be joined with the East as an Eastern State. That your last line get comma

Joebie:
Coaches can be sentimental too — white or black. But we are quick to always claim egunje although we cannot completely rule it out.

I'm denying it just like you, my problem is his(Komekm's) steady criticisms even when it seems to be none. Sentiment is just universal issue that touches all corners of human endeavor