RedboneSmith:


Hehe. Some of the words you put up there have forms in Yoruba and Igbo that clearly share a common root.

Igbo nwoke/nwoko, oke/oko is cognate with Yoruba oko. They both mean male.

The common Igbo word for female/woman nowadays is nwanyi/nwanya, but there is an even more archaic Igbo word for adult woman which is hardly used today. That word is Ibili/Ibiri or Ibiri achi, which is cognate with Yoruba obirin.

Slave in Igbo is Oru/Ohu. Slave in Yoruba is Eru. They are possibly cognate terms.

The Igbo way of saying 'here' is to say 'This place'. Place in Igbo is 'Ebe' or in some parts 'Ibe'. This is cognate with Yoruba 'Ibi.'

We would be silly to expect languages that have existed apart for such a long time to have 100% or even 60% relatedness. Languages evolve; words fall out of use and new words are either innovated or taken up from immediate neighbours.

But if you have even ever tried to do a cursory study, you would have found a large number of shared roots between Yoruba and Igbo.

Imi (Igbo) - Imu (Yoruba) - Nose (English)
Onu (Igbo) - Enu (Yoruba) - Mouth (English)
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) - Ear (English)
Agba (Igbo) - Agbo (Yoruba) - Jaw (English)

Ogwu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Medicine (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Twenty (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Fight/Battle/War (English)

Ala/Ali/Ani/Ana (Igbo) - Ale/Ile (Yoruba) - Land (English)
Ulo (Igbo) - Ulue (Ohafia Igbo) - Ule/Ile (Yoruba) - House (English)

Agwa/Egwa (Igbo) - Ewa (Yoruba) - Beans (English)

Owu (Igbo) - Owu (Yoruba) - Cotton (English)
Gini (Igbo) - Kini (Yoruba) - What? (English)

Following the pattern of K changing to G or G changing to K, suggests that:
Agu/Egu (Igbo) - Ekun (Yoruba) - Leopard (English)

Be (Igbo) - Be (Yoruba) - Slice/Cut (English)
Ewu (Igbo) - Ewure (Yoruba) - Goat (English)
Okuko (Igbo) - Akuko Adire (Yoruba) - Fowl/Male cock (English)
Akpa (Igbo) - Apo (Yoruba) - Bag (English)

Mili/Mmiri/Mini (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) - Water (English). (I remember a Yoruba gentleman telling me once that Awori still uses miri for water. In Moremi stories we hear of a stream called Esinmirin which is just too close to the Igbo word for river osimiri.)

Akika (Igbo) - Ikan (Yoruba) - White ant (English)
Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam (English)
Oka (Igbo) - Oka (Yoruba) - Corn (English - probably originally used for Guinea corn, before the coming of the american maize in the 16th century)
Afo (Igbo) - Ifun (Yoruba) - Bowels (English - and by extension, used by the Igbo to refer to stomach too).
Mbenbe (Igbo) - Obonbon (Yoruba) - Beetle (English)

Moo/Mo/Muo (Igbo) - Imole (Yoruba) - Primordial or territorial spirits (English - Yoruba 'Imole' probably breaks up into Imo + ile, i.e., earth spirits)

THE LIST LITERALLY GOES ON AND ON.

I wouldn't have to make a list if you could just do a little research of your own. Read the book by Aremo that Macof has mentioned. I don't think all the cognates he mentioned in that book are true cognates, however; but in general his view is solid and echoes what linguists have been saying since forever.

Olu317:
As I have said, you dont need to proof anything tp me because there is alternative for cultivate in Iboland but non in yorubaland.In which it showed that Ibo borrowed the word because it is not universal in Igboland as seen in Yoruba land . Go back and ask for the alternative in Ibo land. Once such exist,then clearly it means it is a borrowed word. After all ,Àso Èbi is acknowledge in Iboland as Yoruba's . Is Aso Ebi of Ibo origin?

Obalufon:


we are not ibos.

RedboneSmith:


This statement of yours was really necessary because the point of my comment was that Yorubas are Ibos. *sarcastic eyeroll*

As for the other things you wrote, I do not think you know what 'core vocabulary' means and how they are resistant to replacement by borrowing; and how recently borrowed words do not undergo the sound shifts observable in the true cognates such as in the examples in my comment. So you are welcome to keep believing that Igbo people borrowed words for such very basic items as 'nose', 'mouth', 'ear', 'cut', etc.


'Oka' in both languages (as well as in the other YEAI-NOI languages) is one of the lexical items that supports the theory that the ancestors of the YEAI speakers originally lived, not in the rainforest, but in the savanna country around the Niger-Benue confluence area in the Middle Belt where they grew both cereals (not just guinea corn,,but probably a type of millet as well) and tubers in addition to tending palm and kola trees. They knew the guinea corn before they moved south into the forest. Subsequently, the guinea corn largely dropped out of their diet except for those who lived on the northern fringe of the rainforest zone.

In the 16th century when American corn came, they applied the old term for guinea corn/millet to the new cereal, and in the case of the Yoruba, they would appear to have also come up with an additional new term for the new cereal - agbado.

A similar thing happened in England, by the way. Before maize came to England, the word 'corn' already existed in the English language. It was applied to the cereals like barley that the Europeans were already familiar with. When maize came, they took this old term and gave it to maize, too.

Read, it will not kill you.

I will not even respond to your insinuation that the Igbo did not know cotton. If at your age you think that because the precolonial Igbo (especially the children and unmarried women) were largely unclad or scantily clad, they knew nothing of cotton cloths, then it is best to leave you with that ignorance. Just this morning I was at the library looking at the report written by Mr Shaw of the archaeological work he did at Igbo-Ukwu. There are pictures in that report of excavated uniquely woven cloth used in 9th-century Igboland. Akwete was exporting cloth to the Ijo. Crowther found Igbo-made cotton cloths exported as far north as Idah and the confluence. The cloth came from Aku and neighbouring villages in Nsukka who were not only excellent weavers, but excellent dyers too. Missionaries and explorers reported about Igbo farmers who planted cotton on their farms after harvest, as it was believed to have soil-rejuvenating qualities. The cotton was, of course, spinned and woven. That Igbo dressing was not elaborate doesn't mean it was completely absent. But you are welcome to not read anything that will actually increase your knowledge, except the apeshit-throwing comments on Nairaland.

RedboneSmith:


Hehe. Some of the words you put up there have forms in Yoruba and Igbo that clearly share a common root.

Igbo nwoke/nwoko, oke/oko is cognate with Yoruba oko. They both mean male.

The common Igbo word for female/woman nowadays is nwanyi/nwanya, but there is an even more archaic Igbo word for adult woman which is hardly used today. That word is Ibili/Ibiri or Ibiri achi, which is cognate with Yoruba obirin.

Slave in Igbo is Oru/Ohu. Slave in Yoruba is Eru. They are possibly cognate terms.

The Igbo way of saying 'here' is to say 'This place'. Place in Igbo is 'Ebe' or in some parts 'Ibe'. This is cognate with Yoruba 'Ibi.'

We would be silly to expect languages that have existed apart for such a long time to have 100% or even 60% relatedness. Languages evolve; words fall out of use and new words are either innovated or taken up from immediate neighbours.

But if you have even ever tried to do a cursory study, you would have found a large number of shared roots between Yoruba and Igbo.

Imi (Igbo) - Imu (Yoruba) - Nose (English)
Onu (Igbo) - Enu (Yoruba) - Mouth (English)
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) - Ear (English)
Agba (Igbo) - Agbo (Yoruba) - Jaw (English)

Ogwu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Medicine (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Twenty (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Fight/Battle/War (English)

Ala/Ali/Ani/Ana (Igbo) - Ale/Ile (Yoruba) - Land (English)
Ulo (Igbo) - Ulue (Ohafia Igbo) - Ule/Ile (Yoruba) - House (English)

Agwa/Egwa (Igbo) - Ewa (Yoruba) - Beans (English)

Owu (Igbo) - Owu (Yoruba) - Cotton (English)
Gini (Igbo) - Kini (Yoruba) - What? (English)

Following the pattern of K changing to G or G changing to K, suggests that:
Agu/Egu (Igbo) - Ekun (Yoruba) - Leopard (English)

Be (Igbo) - Be (Yoruba) - Slice/Cut (English)
Ewu (Igbo) - Ewure (Yoruba) - Goat (English)
Okuko (Igbo) - Akuko Adire (Yoruba) - Fowl/Male cock (English)
Akpa (Igbo) - Apo (Yoruba) - Bag (English)

Mili/Mmiri/Mini (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) - Water (English). (I remember a Yoruba gentleman telling me once that Awori still uses miri for water. In Moremi stories we hear of a stream called Esinmirin which is just too close to the Igbo word for river osimiri.)

Akika (Igbo) - Ikan (Yoruba) - White ant (English)
Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam (English)
Oka (Igbo) - Oka (Yoruba) - Corn (English - probably originally used for Guinea corn, before the coming of the american maize in the 16th century)
Afo (Igbo) - Ifun (Yoruba) - Bowels (English - and by extension, used by the Igbo to refer to stomach too).
Mbenbe (Igbo) - Obonbon (Yoruba) - Beetle (English)

Moo/Mo/Muo (Igbo) - Imole (Yoruba) - Primordial or territorial spirits (English - Yoruba 'Imole' probably breaks up into Imo + ile, i.e., earth spirits)

THE LIST LITERALLY GOES ON AND ON.

I wouldn't have to make a list if you could just do a little research of your own. Read the book by Aremo that Macof has mentioned. I don't think all the cognates he mentioned in that book are true cognates, however; but in general his view is solid and echoes what linguists have been saying since forever.

RedboneSmith:


Hehe. Some of the words you put up there have forms in Yoruba and Igbo that clearly share a common root.

Igbo nwoke/nwoko, oke/oko is cognate with Yoruba oko. They both mean male.

The common Igbo word for female/woman nowadays is nwanyi/nwanya, but there is an even more archaic Igbo word for adult woman which is hardly used today. That word is Ibili/Ibiri or Ibiri achi, which is cognate with Yoruba obirin.

Slave in Igbo is Oru/Ohu. Slave in Yoruba is Eru. They are possibly cognate terms.

The Igbo way of saying 'here' is to say 'This place'. Place in Igbo is 'Ebe' or in some parts 'Ibe'. This is cognate with Yoruba 'Ibi.'

We would be silly to expect languages that have existed apart for such a long time to have 100% or even 60% relatedness. Languages evolve; words fall out of use and new words are either innovated or taken up from immediate neighbours.

But if you have even ever tried to do a cursory study, you would have found a large number of shared roots between Yoruba and Igbo.

Imi (Igbo) - Imu (Yoruba) - Nose (English)
Onu (Igbo) - Enu (Yoruba) - Mouth (English)
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) - Ear (English)
Agba (Igbo) - Agbo (Yoruba) - Jaw (English)

Ogwu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Medicine (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Twenty (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Fight/Battle/War (English)

Ala/Ali/Ani/Ana (Igbo) - Ale/Ile (Yoruba) - Land (English)
Ulo (Igbo) - Ulue (Ohafia Igbo) - Ule/Ile (Yoruba) - House (English)

Agwa/Egwa (Igbo) - Ewa (Yoruba) - Beans (English)

Owu (Igbo) - Owu (Yoruba) - Cotton (English)
Gini (Igbo) - Kini (Yoruba) - What? (English)

Following the pattern of K changing to G or G changing to K, suggests that:
Agu/Egu (Igbo) - Ekun (Yoruba) - Leopard (English)

Be (Igbo) - Be (Yoruba) - Slice/Cut (English)
Ewu (Igbo) - Ewure (Yoruba) - Goat (English)
Okuko (Igbo) - Akuko Adire (Yoruba) - Fowl/Male cock (English)
Akpa (Igbo) - Apo (Yoruba) - Bag (English)

Mili/Mmiri/Mini (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) - Water (English). (I remember a Yoruba gentleman telling me once that Awori still uses miri for water. In Moremi stories we hear of a stream called Esinmirin which is just too close to the Igbo word for river osimiri.)

Akika (Igbo) - Ikan (Yoruba) - White ant (English)
Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam (English)
Oka (Igbo) - Oka (Yoruba) - Corn (English - probably originally used for Guinea corn, before the coming of the american maize in the 16th century)
Afo (Igbo) - Ifun (Yoruba) - Bowels (English - and by extension, used by the Igbo to refer to stomach too).
Mbenbe (Igbo) - Obonbon (Yoruba) - Beetle (English)

Moo/Mo/Muo (Igbo) - Imole (Yoruba) - Primordial or territorial spirits (English - Yoruba 'Imole' probably breaks up into Imo + ile, i.e., earth spirits)

THE LIST LITERALLY GOES ON AND ON.

I wouldn't have to make a list if you could just do a little research of your own. Read the book by Aremo that Macof has mentioned. I don't think all the cognates he mentioned in that book are true cognates, however; but in general his view is solid and echoes what linguists have been saying since forever.

Obalufon:


They are now claiming aborigine of yoruba land..i need to know the time frame when we split from the ibos there is never point in yoruba history when we are naked people ..patron of white cloth obalara is over 10000yrs .. you people are ibos not igbos..you people were called ibos first now igbo

RedboneSmith:


This statement of yours was really necessary because the point of my comment was that Yorubas are Ibos. *sarcastic eyeroll*

As for the other things you wrote, I do not think you know what 'core vocabulary' means and how they are resistant to replacement by borrowing; and how recently borrowed words do not undergo the sound shifts observable in the true cognates such as in the examples in my comment. So you are welcome to keep believing that Igbo people borrowed words for such very basic items as 'nose', 'mouth', 'ear', 'cut', etc.


'Oka' in both languages (as well as in the other YEAI-NOI languages) is one of the lexical items that supports the theory that the ancestors of the YEAI speakers originally lived, not in the rainforest, but in the savanna country around the Niger-Benue confluence area in the Middle Belt where they grew both cereals (not just guinea corn,,but probably a type of millet as well) and tubers in addition to tending palm and kola trees. They knew the guinea corn before they moved south into the forest. Subsequently, the guinea corn largely dropped out of their diet except for those who lived on the northern fringe of the rainforest zone.

In the 16th century when American corn came, they applied the old term for guinea corn/millet to the new cereal, and in the case of the Yoruba, they would appear to have also come up with an additional new term for the new cereal - agbado.

A similar thing happened in England, by the way. Before maize came to England, the word 'corn' already existed in the English language. It was applied to the cereals like barley that the Europeans were already familiar with. When maize came, they took this old term and gave it to maize, too.

Read, it will not kill you.

I will not even respond to your insinuation that the Igbo did not know cotton. If at your age you think that because the precolonial Igbo (especially the children and unmarried women) were largely unclad or scantily clad, they knew nothing of cotton cloths, then it is best to leave you with that ignorance. Just this morning I was at the library looking at the report written by Mr Shaw of the archaeological work he did at Igbo-Ukwu. There are pictures in that report of excavated uniquely woven cloth used in 9th-century Igboland. Akwete was exporting cloth to the Ijo. Crowther found Igbo-made cotton cloths exported as far north as Idah and the confluence. The cloth came from Aku and neighbouring villages in Nsukka who were not only excellent weavers, but excellent dyers too. Missionaries and explorers reported about Igbo farmers who planted cotton on their farms after harvest, as it was believed to have soil-rejuvenating qualities. The cotton was, of course, spinned and woven. That Igbo dressing was not elaborate doesn't mean it was completely absent. But you are welcome to not read anything that will actually increase your knowledge, except the apeshit-throwing comments on Nairaland.

RedboneSmith:
LOL. This one is still looking for 100% cognacy before he accepts what every linguist in the world now knows to be a fact. But it only takes a handful of 'false cognates' to convince y'all that Yoruba is Semitic. LOL.

Anyway, I spotted no less than 10 words in your new list that have cognatic relationship with Igbo words, despite some semantic shifts. But no, I can't continue doing this with you. My patience isn't as bountiful as Macof's or ObalufonII's. Mine is quite thin. I can't do this with someone who doesn't have a fundamental grasp of historical linguistics and one who is a low-key 'tribe smearer' to boot.

RedboneSmith:
LOL. This one is still looking for 100% cognacy before he accepts what every linguist in the world now knows to be a fact. But it only takes a handful of 'false cognates' to convince y'all that Yoruba is Semitic. LOL.

Anyway, I spotted no less than 10 words in your new list that have cognatic relationship with Igbo words, despite some semantic shifts. But no, I can't continue doing this with you. My patience isn't as bountiful as Macof's or ObalufonII's. Mine is quite thin. I can't do this with someone who doesn't have a fundamental grasp of historical linguistics and one who is a low-key 'tribe smearer' to boot.

Obalufon:


borrowed words from the igalas. ..you should add egusi and garri too please... we are not ibos . who dash ibos owu cotton.. oka for corn . liars .. maize is not up to 3 hundred years .. guinea corn is grown in the savanna region, where were the leafs , what do they want to do with guinea corn ....Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam great connection .. ibos are bantu their lineage can be traced back to south Africa region

OlaoChi:
. Who said Yoruba are igbos?

Jeez, you Hebrew wannabes lack common sense

Yoruba and Igbo split 3000 years ago doesn't mean Yoruba are igbos, it means they have a common origin

Igbos are not Bantu, Bantu people speak a Bantu language and Igbo speak a Volta-Niger language

Olu317:
Dem dem Ibo apologists continue in their ignorance...split kó ,divide ní . If Ibo split from Yoruba, why did Catherine Acholonu thesis counter it ? The same manner Atkinson said about language in west Africa as the place of its origin. Funny enough yoruba language was already in existence 3000 years ago. And this language was spoken in Egypt. Infact 3000 years ago was less 700 years before Jesus christ. . Kikikiki

Confuse set of people,who are bent in lumping my yoruba ancestors with Ibos' ancestors. As usual,they are here with incoherent statement of denying their claim that, ‘Ibos splitted from Yoruba and Yoruba are not Ibos'. . Confusion grandeur.


Below is a screenshot of kemet word present in Yoruba word list over 3000 years ago..........

0balufonlll:


I see, you cannot state your methods here in a few lines? Cool.



You and Olaochi did the same thing. You - Yoruba language/Hebrew; Olaochi - Yoruba - Japanese. I posted a screenshot here in which someone did the same thing between Yoruba & Fula, French, German, Ibo & so on. This in addition to what Olaochi did goes to show your theory has no framework & methodology because when what you did is applied to any other language it yields the same result - that Yoruba is connected with virtually every culture including Japan. I need-not have to explain, I suppose you are well read enough to know studies are not carried out without methodologies/framework because people have to test your hypothesis individually to agree with you.



In Ilorin, there is a reason Balogun Yoruba heads Yoruba; Balogun Fulani heads Fulani & Balogun Gambari heads the Hausa quarters before Emir Kolapo had it as his name.

Obalufon:



we have nothing to do with ibos....Yoruba is yoruba ..ibo is ibo we have nothing in common . .. igala is not ibos . Yoruba and igala possible were one people at one point but split up .

macof:
you have not even proven your stance... Your entire stance is shaky.. You have not provided one evidence.. Just one
have you forgotten you have not answered my questions?

Should I repost them so you can answer?

Or you don't have answers?

Obalufon:

ibos are bantu their lineage can be traced back to south Africa region

Olu317:

As usual with flimsy excuses. If you dont know much on something,kindly do research instead of unnecessary and unbacked theories. Ibo kó yánmírín ní.





You better click on the above link to see your Ibo language being dissected through phonomes. Atkinson research team posited that language originated in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa and supports Acholonu Catherine thesis of an Igbo origin of languages because Igbo language is based in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa. Also the conclusion that this ancient mother-language left Africa during the earliest ‘Out of Africa’ migrations is the same as our own conclusions that Homo Erectus left Africa with a Language and a Culture intact, and not, as animal-like ‘primitive man’. The thesis is that the San (Khoisan) Bushmen of the Kalahari were among the earliest carriers of this Proto-Proto-Igbo mother tongue, was also confirmed in the Atkinson research findings.
Therefore, Igbo scholars worldwide ought to seize upon this added scientific evidence provided by Dr. Atkinson’s research but instead ,they deny as usual. Kindly do the needful by listing the coganate of Ibo words with the above yorubas,if you are sure. Ko má wáà fíìfíì ìdí koko kírí.

The New York Times (Apr. 2011) has published an article by Nicholas Wade, reviewing a new research, which maintains that all languages developed from a common mother-language from Sub-Saharan Africa that was carried to other parts of the world by Homo erectus African migrants over 100,000 years ago during the Out of Africa migrations. The linguistic research was said to have been conducted by Dr Quentin Atkinson, a biologist. Though I find it hard understand the practice of linguistics by a Biologist, yet this research supports our thesis, nevertheless.

macof:


Are you mad or something? the person you say doesnt know something is obviously well educated.. and must have taken the subject of West African history seriously for some years in an academic environment

What's up with this total disregard for what people study?

btw, I asked you before what 'western world higher college'(your words) did you attend? what country?





This is what I got out of a quick search of Atkinson research
It's interesting how a biologist and a science journalist are experts on African languages while the actual linguists are overlooked
its no wonder that most of what the article says comes without any evidence

Then again, when we look at the so called research it claims Igbo is the mother of all languages...what point does this make to prove your stance?
How does this play on to Yoruba having Hebrew origin?

macof:
smh. I had wanted to ignore this trolling but some stupid talk cannot be left without being called out lest it spreads


http://www.cbold.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/Lgs/LgXRefs.html
here is a complete list of all Bantu languages... most of them i had no idea even existed

Clearly there is no Ibo there


Here is Igbo being placed with Yoruba as a Volta-Niger language


here are Bantu languages(Bantoid) placed in Benue-congo group of language - a separate group from Volta-Niger

in case that is still too complicated for you.. here is a picture in colours clearly differentiating Igbo from the Bantu languages


stop making a mess of yourself.. faceless forum or not it is utterly stupid to go around trolling
so stop trolling and go get a life..you are obviously still very young

p.s I will not reply you again.. I hate trolls