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Re: Is Woman Not From God by johnw47: 12:17am On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: mutt, you don't understand God's word "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy" ^^^ is describing angels Psa_24:5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation. "blessings from the Lord" and "righteousness from the God of his salvation" in that verse are not referring to two identies but one just as "morning stars' and "sons of god" in job 38 are referring to angels, not sun, moon, and constellation, duh 1 Like |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by johnw47: 12:48am On Sep 17, 2018 |
Mobilia: not just at him, you asked him if he was a theology major, that was funny and he replied: Psalm 119: 97-176, that was really funny |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by johnw47: 1:12am On Sep 17, 2018 |
a couple more: just as "morning stars" and "sons of God" in job 38 are angels, "Lord" and "God" in these verses are not two identies but one: Psa_18:6 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: Psa_46:7 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah. 1 Like |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 1:18am On Sep 17, 2018 |
johnw47:It is easy for me to understand and sympathise with you. You're caught up in this situation, where you're finding it hard to deal with and/or accept the truth. 1/ Have you spotted and seen the chief difference between Job 38:7 and your "brought to the rescue verse" Psalms 18:6? 2/ Are you saying the "morning stars" (i.e. constellation) and "sons of God" (i.e. sun and moon) cant with song and shout, praise God? 3/ Now, please tell, from where & how did you infer that the "morning stars" & "the sons of God" are separately referring to angelic celestial beings? 4/ You do realise, you've held on to "Lord" and "God" in Psalms 18:6? Why havent you swapped the words "Lord" and "God" to mean anything else other than God, a word originally in the verse? johnw47:Laugh to your full delight You may laugh now, thinking its funny but just remember, he who laughs last, laughs the best To me, this is a long haul, not a sprint johnw47:Give me three examples, like for and/or with "morning stars" and "sons of God" in them, then we can talk and talk properly, it shall be. You can see the consistent behaviour or treatment in using and maintaining the use of "Lord" and "God" in your 3 example? Do the same with "morning stars" and "sons of God" What do we have with Job 38:7? We have, "morning stars" and "sons of God" fabricated to mean angels. You cant even reproduce "morning stars" and "sons of God" like you've done doing with "Lord" and "God". SMH. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by johnw47: 2:32am On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: oh truly blinded one, "morning stars" - "sons of god" in job 38 are angels which a novice in God can see 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. MuttleyLaff: you sure are confused mutt, the sun moon and stars could not be singing and shouting at the beginning of the creation of the earth before they are created, but the angels could, and did MuttleyLaff: yes i have noticed you defend your lies over a long haul, pages and pages of twisting you cannot admit wrongs and your lies beget more lies MuttleyLaff: Give me three examples, like for and/or with "morning stars" and "sons of God" in them, you have been shown wrong by others to, but you cannot admit your wrongs on job 38 and pathetically run away from it in confusion most everyone can see your rubbish and twisting and lies that you post Isa 3:24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; 1 Like |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 2:49am On Sep 17, 2018 |
johnw47:Rubbing hands together johnw47, I am consoled that at least one poster after realising I didnt say the sun, moon and stars were singing and shouting at the beginning of the creation, using good judgement and sense, decidedly typed: "Need to check that last bold though" From the goodness of your heart and for a novice in God, like me, to see, please provide all other verses, apart from Job 38:7, that you confidently know, are where "the sons of God" are angels |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by johnw47: 3:12am On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: novice mutt, i and others have shown in many posts that job 38:7 is angels, which you are blinded to, believe job 38:7 and then i will show you other where the sons of God are angels |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 3:47am On Sep 17, 2018 |
johnw47:This is emotional blackmail. If you're sure and confident about them, you wouldnt be forcing a "believe Job 38:7", on me first and before you presenting them |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by LordReed(m): 5:32am On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Gosh you are so dense. Did you even read what you posted? It clearly shows the difference between a celestial body and celestial being. I guess gravity pulled all sense into your arse and that's where your thoughts originate from now. Stinking pile of shit. 1 Like |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by johnw47: 6:52am On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: i'm not forcing anything you are saying lies i am stating truth you mutt just keep going round in twisting circles, because you can't say truth |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 7:06am On Sep 17, 2018 |
LordReed: MuttleyLaff: LordReed: MuttleyLaff: LordReed: MuttleyLaff: LordReed: MuttleyLaff: LordReed: MuttleyLaff: LordReed:As usual you've just pulled this bs out of your rear back Take it! Receive sense!! Havent even scratched the surface. Havent even talked about, what the sons of God, in Genesis 6:4, Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, are yet and already, it's the meaning of what the sons of God is, in just Job 38:7, that had become too much and demanding on you What the sons of God, means in Job 38:7, isnt the same with, what it, means, in Genesis 6:4, Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 Why are people bent on conflating the sons of God in Job 38:7, with the sons of God, in Genesis 6:4, Job 1:6 and Job 2:1? MuttleyLaff: |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by LordReed(m): 9:53am On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Thank you for further proving your dishonesty. Is there anywhere I wrote celestial being as a question to you in all the stuff you quoted? I clearly wrote celestial body but your dishonesty turned it into celestial being so you riff off your narrative. And you even did yourself in by providing a clear definition of the 2 terms that shows they are 2 different things. Do yourself a favour and stop trying to be too clever by half. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 10:10am On Sep 17, 2018 |
LordReed:You posted a comment referring to the devil as a celestial body but when I responded to the comment referring to the the devil as a celestial being instead of using your choice "celestial body" all hell got loose and you got the hump, wailing like one whose dummy plaything got snatched. You kept trying to fault me for using celestial being for the devil, as if I am wrong to do so. Like I asked Maami, can the devil be called a celestial being or it can't be called a celestial being? I dare you to answer the above question. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by budaatum: 10:31am On Sep 17, 2018 |
Sons of the God (Heb: bənê hāʼĕlōhîm, בני האלהים , literally: "Sons of the gods" ) is a phrase used in the Hebrew Bible and apocrypha. The phrase is also used in Kabbalah where Bene elohim are part of different Jewish angelic hierarchies. I was going to post BibleStudy.org's view on this topic, until I read that "This phrase in Genesis 6:1 - 2 cannot be a reference to angels, either to those who are righteous or evil. The word of God does not contain even a hint that flesh and blood humans can somehow mate with spirit-composed beings!" So Mary never 'mated' with spirits? It's worth a look at though. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 10:53am On Sep 17, 2018 |
budaatum:Firstly, bud did you have a reminisce moment with that Strafe tune? Secondly, angels are asexual Lastly, yes, Mary never mated with spirits. It's just simply impossible for Mary to mate with spirits. All, on here, saying angels slept with the daughters of men are slandering the angels and publicly displaying their ignorance |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by LordReed(m): 11:00am On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Look at him attempting to dribble himself again. You said: MuttleyLaff: You don't think there is a difference between celestial body and celestial being so why do you want to switch to calling the devil a celestial being instead of a celestial body? It's the same thing according to you. Yet you posted a definition that clearly expresses the difference. You are dishonest, you want to do what you think it takes to win an argument, without considering that you denigrate your own self by being dishonest. Remember you are speaking on your supernatural fairytale where liars get sent to hell. Better go and beg for forgiveness. LMFAO! 1 Like |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by LordReed(m): 11:03am On Sep 17, 2018 |
budaatum: He knows more Hebrew than the authors of the bible books. LoLz |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by LordReed(m): 11:06am On Sep 17, 2018 |
The phrase "sons of the Elohim" also occurs in: Job 1:6 bənê hāʼĕlōhîm (בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים) the sons of Elohim. Job 2:1 bənê hāʼĕlōhîm (בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים) the sons of Elohim. Job 38:7 bənê ĕlōhîm (בְּנֵי אֱלֹהִֽים) without the definite article - sons of Elohim Some people are too clever by half. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by budaatum: 11:12am On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I have a fault in my software that does not allow me to be distracted whilst involved in serious discourse. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 11:18am On Sep 17, 2018 |
LordReed:SMH, you pulled me up for using celestial being for the devil in my reply to your post, in where you used celestial body for the devil. You condemned me with whatever foul language you were able to summon up, just because I called the devil a celestial being. I have been exonerated from your accusations. I prefer as a matter of choice and within a legitimate right to use celestial being for the devil. You weren't pleased that I preferred to use celestial being than celestial body. I consciously switched to celestial being because I knew celestial body is usually used for inanimate objects, like your moon, your sun, your etcetera but you didn't know that and why your temper tantrums. I am not having an argument with you, so there isn't any argument for me to win |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 11:21am On Sep 17, 2018 |
budaatum:I know it means you can't watch YouTube on the company laptop. Na joke ooo, na joke we dey ooo On a more lighter note, I had to put it on loop last night |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by budaatum: 11:37am On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Give me a short non-convoluted opinion on the following: "When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them. The sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose." Genesis 6:1-2 ESV |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by LordReed(m): 11:39am On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Because you are arguing with yourself. You said sun and moon are the sons of God. The sun and moon are celestial bodies therefore you must be regarding Satan as a celestial body was my summation. The simple thing for you to do was state that Satan is not a celestial body instead you dishonestly claimed no difference between celestial body and celestial being. Anyway I have had my fun and exposed your dishonesty. Continue interpreting your fairytale anyway you like. LMFAO! |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 11:44am On Sep 17, 2018 |
budaatum:I already had Budaatum. I did just that, on one of the earliest of my posts to Maamin on this thread. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by budaatum: 11:55am On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Below is a response to your explanation. Maamin:Perhaps I have the wrong one though. Could you post a link to your response to Maamin please? |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 12:02pm On Sep 17, 2018 |
LordReed:I said that in Job 38:7, the sons of God means the sun and the moon. I didn't at any point bring the devil into Job 38:7 nor ever insinuated that the devil was anywhere near or at the Job 38:7 narrative. I am grateful to you admitting your summation and for having the wrong assumption. I am also pleased you had fun at my expense. I didn't have to state, and it's not the first time and certainly wouldn't be my last, in correcting typos, grammatical errors or switching to a better word without telling the original poster or shouting about it from the rooftops |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 12:05pm On Sep 17, 2018 |
budaatum:Its torturous searching for it on mobile phone, but since it's you, your wish is my command. Man has to do what a man has to do. I'll try, so watch this space PS: Budaatum, here it is: https://www.nairaland.com/4690508/woman-not-god/2#70830167 1 Like |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by budaatum: 1:03pm On Sep 17, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Thanks for searching. Must say though, that I'm no clearer to understanding your stand on Genesis 6:1-2. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by budaatum: 1:09pm On Sep 17, 2018 |
Lucifer (/ˈljuːsɪfər/ LEW-si-fər) is a name that, according to dictionaries of the English language, refers either to the Devil or to the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star. |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by budaatum: 1:17pm On Sep 17, 2018 |
Christianity Lucifer, a name based on the Latin name for the Morning Star Jesus, self-described as "the bright Morning Star" in the Christian Bible John the Baptist, called a "bright morning star" in Eastern Orthodox Church hymnology Mary the mother of Jesus, called "morning star" in the Litany of Loreto John Wycliffe, the English theologian, sometimes referred to as the "Morning Star of the Reformation" Sounds like humtydumtism to me. Make Morning Star mean whatever suits the situation! |
Re: Is Woman Not From God by Nobody: 1:33pm On Sep 17, 2018 |
I don't involve myself with this kind of discussion because it is extreme delicate. OP understood exactly what he wanted to do. Believe me, he had gone deep or discussed extensively with a group of people. And he decided to dump it here. Note that he also dumped it in the romance section too. I think he had an intention. A friend discussed this thread with me like a week ago. Apparently, the fellow needed my opinion here, but I deliberately chose to ignore it. That I remained silent does not mean I disrespected you or not interested in helping you out. Nope, I had my reasons and it was too early to discuss it with you. Well, I checked it again yesterday, and I am forced to contrubute. I do not intend to debate with anyone but to throw light into the issue. And then, walk away. Is woman not from God? Are the sons of God angels, giants, fallen angels, etc? What was suppose to be the original size of man? Is the present average height of men 5 feet 8, 5 ft 9, the plan of God? Was the original plan that we should be 15ft? Who are the giants? Who are the Nephilim? These are deep questions. To interprete the Bible meaningfully, it should be done with the original language it was written. So, learn to interprete the Old Testament via Hebrew and the new Testament via Greek. If you base it on just modern languages like using English as you guys are doing, you will get it all wrong. And I will just point your attention to some issues. The sons of God. Some say they are angels, some say they are humans, some say they are special specie, etc. What is the original word used in the Hebrew Bible? It is bənê hāʼĕlōhîm. In all other places where Hebrew is used in Old testament, the two words did not come again in a verse except in Job 2.1 and New International Version of the Bible used angels to describe them. Still looking at these Hebrew words: bənê means sons; and hāʼĕlōhîm means God. Literal meaning means sons of God. While it is clear in the book of Job that the sons of God mentioned in the book of Job are angels. So, can we just say that the sons of God in Gen.6.2 are angels? Well, there is no clear way to answer this question based on Bible. It is impossible. Those who said they are men will use everything to defend it, and those who say they are angels will never back down. So, using Bible to get the real fact is fruitless. MutleLaff quoted Luke 3.38 to support sons of God as men. Interesting. The only error he made was that he did not find the original meaning of the words sons and God in Greek. He is using English to support his claim. Very wrong. Now, let us look at the verse in Greek. Attached is the screenshot from my Greek Bible. In the original Greek Bible, there is absolutely no word like son, child, daughter, etc. Just something like : of Adam, of God. But the English translation had to add "son" to "of God" to make it meaningful. I can even put seed of God, product of God, likeness of God, etc. So quoting this verse is wrong. Look at the attached picture again. Every effort to use new testament to prove anything here might be fruitless, except the word is checked and it makes sense. Anyway, my point is that this debate is endless using the Bible. I need to take you back to the days when Bible was not a common book. Only a group of people had it. We all know that it was out of the reach of the common man for many years. And then, when it was decided to be made available, it was edited. Books were removed, books were added, many things happend. Again, when it was to be made available in English, King James set up a panel and they chose the right words they felt was fine. They put into consideration the political and religious state at the time while choosing their words. So, you cannot use English Bible to get the real meaning. And the old Hebrew and Greek original versions have been revised. So, it is a fruitless effort using the Bible to explain this subject. You will keep hearing of strolls of Bible detected now and then. Try to read the story behind New Intertional Version and why mordern scholars prefer it to King James Version. The picture someone posted about man's height before flood in comparison with the present man is very useful. It shows there are more to these issues. If we say Adam and Eve are giants, where do humans get 5 to 6 ft gene from? If we say the genes escaped flood and Goliath is among, why don't we have them again in this our world. Or is the gene that caused "giantism" or the disorder called "Acromegaly"? My point is that science has got its opinion on this topic too. Why were books removed from the original Bible? Where do the seven books of Moses, the book of Enoch, and many religious books come from? Why were some books of prophets removed from the Bible? If you start studying Judaism, you start getting answers, but is it only Judahism? There are many deep mysteries, and previous attempts to solve them led to creation of societies like freemanson, illuminati, and many other secret scocieties. You want to know if angel can have sex with man. Hmmmm! You want to prove that angels are sons of God. You better be ready to see what normal human suppose not to see. The people who decided to cut of some books from the original book have their reasons. They said Enoch walked with God, and he was no more. And there is the Book of Enoch which has been black listed in christiany. Are there no other societies using the book? What about the books of Moses? The watchers. The Nephilim Why do you think Seun is on this thread? Why do you think he is a fan of the game of throne? The guy is knowledgeable. Fans of the TV series "Game of Throne" (one of the best all time TV series) will definitely know about "the watchers" that Jon Snow joined. The term the watchers is ancient, and dated to the time of Enoch. Many things happened in those years. A portion from Enoch which you come across when studying the watchers is: And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: "Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children." And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: "I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin." And they all answered him and said: "Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing." Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim Read more about Semjaza, the leader of the angels who were supposed to be guardian angels, also known as watchers in the book of Enoch. Read about it's sin, it's consequence, and how angel Gabriel was involved. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samyaza If you want to stay with what the word of God says, quit this debate. You will get yourself in deep mysteries which can lock you in the world of secret societies. It is your choice to make. To unravel this, you will have to study deep secrets and mysteries. For me, I choose to stay with what the present word of God says. It does not add more to me to start unraveling the watchers, fallen angels, the Nephilim, etc. They are deep mysteries that can get you lost in deep ocultism. Best of luck. Also check: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_God To my friend who discussed this thread with me. I had to open a new moniker for this purpose just because I noticed that this is getting serious. I did not want to come here because these topics are extremely dangerous. These secret society people throw these questions on forums so as to recruit new members. You should be careful debating religious topics. Religion dictates politics. Politicians are tools in the hands of these secretive people. It is why I told you that I do not involve myself with politics and religion. Better you pick some safe materials than debating this kind of topic. I am sure they will start sending me PMs. If it gets to that, I will simply deactivate this account. It is an extreme dangerous topic. They might have started sending you PMs too, please, be careful. I had to do this just because of you. Yeah, we might not agree on some issues, but it has not got to the stage I will keep silent and watch you fall into these bad hands. The way there are many eggs in the business section scamming people is the way they are in religious sections recruiting new members for their secret societies. You know yourself, please kindly get in touch with me so I can explain it in details. There are topics you should stay away from. You know how to reach me.
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Re: Is Woman Not From God by MuttleyLaff: 2:01pm On Sep 17, 2018 |
budaatum:1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. - Genesis 6:1-2 In a sentence, my stand on Genesis 6:1-2, is that the sons of God in the Genesis 6:2 aren't angels nor are they the sun and moon metaphors used in Job 38:7 |
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